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Daugan
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:27:19 -
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Yet another unwanted, unthought through, and useless change. Thanks CCP. |
Rob Kaichin
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
160
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:30:27 -
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Posting in a Goonswarm CTA thread.
I like it, and would prefer if all caps were locked out of Astrahuses, and couldn't tether on them at all. |
Erick Asmock
Patriotic Tendencies Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:33:37 -
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Nymblar wrote:What is the motivation behind this - I don't buy this being a bug, this feels like a conscious design decision that you're passing off as a "bug".
Jump Freighters are bigger than Rorquals and yet they can still dock.
Significantly so....Rorq is 14,500,00 m3 and JF and F are both 16,250,000 m3
I mean never let logic get in your way.
It's a simple concept. Don't induce mechanics that break fun in the game and "fix" things that are not breaking game play. The fact the reasonable and logical people can understand why this would be a bad mechanic says it all.
The more mechanics that inhibit player fun you introduce, the more tedious you make the game, the less people will line up to play the game regardless if it is free or pay to play.
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Oceane Chevalier
Maple Moose The Bastion
1
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:35:07 -
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It is difficult to understand the full rational given we only have a portion of the equation in hand (we just know about the citadels). Maybe with the full picture of structures (indust. arrays, etc.) will we eventually get it. Today clearly most are not.
Given there were no panics or game breaking situations to leave it "as is", why not wait for new structures to make this change? It simply creates confusion & frustration without the means to calm the players with a "but here is what will replace it" type feedback.
So unless you could provide the full explanation, there are no underlying needs to change it immediately.
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handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
357
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:40:05 -
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If you hate the rorqual that much, why not remove it from the game and reimburse skills?
last 3 or 4 years have been nothing but nerfs.
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Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity
250
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:40:09 -
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How about you postpone this change to the release of drilling platforms, which will - as far as I know - nerf refining rigs in citadels, so most miners will want to switch over to them anyway (they can then take this into account for their decision which size they're going to build)?
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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
393
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:40:24 -
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Philip Shazih wrote:The supposed to be end all be all mining ship (that will become a lot less usefull soon) cant dock in the station thats supposed to excel in refining... makes sense to you?
Citadel aren't supposed to excel in refining, that is a stop gap measure until drilling platforms come about
Once drilling platforms are introduced, citadel will lose their reprocessing bonus and rigs will be removed and returned to the owner to place in a drilling platform.
If you aren't quite sure, re read the dev blog for the structures and look at the part where it talks rigs - it specifically didn't put those rigs in with citadel rigs, cause the aren't it is a band aid until the drilling platforms arrive |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
3008
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:41:53 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:How about you postpone this change to the release of drilling platforms, which will - as far as I know - nerf refining rigs in citadels, so most miners will want to switch over to them anyway (they can then take this into account for their decision which size they're going to build)? This is reasonable.
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Damocles Orindus
Shadow State Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:44:04 -
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It's okay. Didn't need an industrial ship that hauls and compresses ore to be able to dock with the Astrahaus refinery. Par for the course on the Rorqual train wreck coming down the line. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2322
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:48:51 -
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I'm inordinately fond of miner tears and even I think this is unwarranted.
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Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity
250
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:48:54 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:Once drilling platforms are introduced, citadel will lose their reprocessing bonus and rigs will be removed and returned to the owner to place in a drilling platform. Source? Last I heard was that they were thinking about removal of mining rigs from citadels without destroying them, which is quite a difference.
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Erick Asmock
Patriotic Tendencies Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:56:03 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:Philip Shazih wrote:The supposed to be end all be all mining ship (that will become a lot less usefull soon) cant dock in the station thats supposed to excel in refining... makes sense to you? Citadel aren't supposed to excel in refining, that is a stop gap measure until drilling platforms come about Once drilling platforms are introduced, citadel will lose their reprocessing bonus and rigs will be removed and returned to the owner to place in a drilling platform. If you aren't quite sure, re read the dev blog for the structures and look at the part where it talks rigs - it specifically didn't put those rigs in with citadel rigs, cause the aren't it is a band aid until the drilling platforms arrive
Assuming you are correct...
Putting mechanics like this as stop gap measures are in and of themselves game breaking mechanics. Nothing is worse than directing your CUSTOMER BASE in one direction temporarily and them pulling the carpet out from under them...horrible design and horrible customer service.
1 star in yelp for this. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2255
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:56:08 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:I'm inordinately fond of miner tears and even I think this is unwarranted.
It's just more of the same, really. 'This is how we think you should be doing it, so we're going to force you to do it that way'. Small mining groups in lowsec can't afford a Fortizar, and even if they could, a Fortizar onlining in lowsec or NPC null is a big fat target.
Might as well have told the smaller mining groups "So you were feeling good about your small mining group managing to buy a Rorqual for boosts? Well, too bad. Go back to sitting in a POS (while we let you) and running a compression array. You're not allowed to use the shiny new toys."
There's literally no visible reason to push this through now, instead of waiting for the industrial complexes and drilling platforms. It's not like people are using Battle Rorquals en masse and then ducking into waiting astrahusen. |
Boroth Kindeze
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:57:13 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey folks. We've got a bug fix coming in October that I think is especially important to draw your attention to ahead of time.
At the moment Rorquals can dock in Astrahus medium citadels, which is a bug. They actually even use the frigate undock port.
The intended design is that Rorquals should have the same docking access as normal sized capital ships like the carrier, dread and force aux classes. We're fixing this bug in the main October release which means that Rorquals will no longer be able to dock in Astrahus citadels.
Even though this is a fairly simple bug fix, I wanted to create a sticky thread just to make sure that there was some visibility for it ahead of the normal patch notes. I'd like to avoid people getting surprised by this fix as much as possible.
We're working on the dev blog for the big Rorqual changes coming in November, and that will be ready for everyone soon. Thanks!
Either you are very fond on SM and like to be the most hated dev in the history of Eve (and thinking about Greyscale makes that difficult to believe), or after the sov failure you still have no idea what customer service is and what the majority of your 0.0 playerbase wants. Or more likely, you simply don't care. Which begs me the simply question why ccp hasn't fired you yet...
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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
394
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:59:47 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Once drilling platforms are introduced, citadel will lose their reprocessing bonus and rigs will be removed and returned to the owner to place in a drilling platform. Source? Last I heard was that they were thinking about removal of mining rigs from citadels without destroying them, which is quite a difference.
Nah, before people spent 250 bil on XL reprocessing rigs, they asked and it was made clear you would get a one time refund of rigs |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
394
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:01:40 -
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Erick Asmock wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Philip Shazih wrote:The supposed to be end all be all mining ship (that will become a lot less usefull soon) cant dock in the station thats supposed to excel in refining... makes sense to you? Citadel aren't supposed to excel in refining, that is a stop gap measure until drilling platforms come about Once drilling platforms are introduced, citadel will lose their reprocessing bonus and rigs will be removed and returned to the owner to place in a drilling platform. If you aren't quite sure, re read the dev blog for the structures and look at the part where it talks rigs - it specifically didn't put those rigs in with citadel rigs, cause the aren't it is a band aid until the drilling platforms arrive Assuming you are correct... Putting mechanics like this as stop gap measures are in and of themselves game breaking mechanics. Nothing is worse than directing your CUSTOMER BASE in one direction temporarily and them pulling the carpet out from under them...horrible design and horrible customer service. 1 star in yelp for this.
Did you really think the Citadel would become the reprocessing platform after all the dev blogs specifically said the drilling platform would be?
They needed to do it to get rid of outposts quicker, so they don't hang around as long as POS will have to.
It wasn't a secret |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
3009
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:04:00 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:Erick Asmock wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Philip Shazih wrote:The supposed to be end all be all mining ship (that will become a lot less usefull soon) cant dock in the station thats supposed to excel in refining... makes sense to you? Citadel aren't supposed to excel in refining, that is a stop gap measure until drilling platforms come about Once drilling platforms are introduced, citadel will lose their reprocessing bonus and rigs will be removed and returned to the owner to place in a drilling platform. If you aren't quite sure, re read the dev blog for the structures and look at the part where it talks rigs - it specifically didn't put those rigs in with citadel rigs, cause the aren't it is a band aid until the drilling platforms arrive Assuming you are correct... Putting mechanics like this as stop gap measures are in and of themselves game breaking mechanics. Nothing is worse than directing your CUSTOMER BASE in one direction temporarily and them pulling the carpet out from under them...horrible design and horrible customer service. 1 star in yelp for this. Did you really think the Citadel would become the reprocessing platform after all the dev blogs specifically said the drilling platform would be? They needed to do it to get rid of outposts quicker, so they don't hang around as long as POS will have to. It wasn't a secret The logical time to lock the Rorqual out is therefore when the replacement structures are released.
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Francisco Belaqua
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:09:47 -
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Just wanted to add my voice to the general consensus that this is horrible. This completely destroys the Rorq's ability to do Null Sec logistics in feasible manner. Please reconsider. |
Rendering
Ten Dollar Bond GoonSwarm
13
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:12:37 -
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Querns wrote:Considering the rorqual's primary ability to haul ore, not to mention its (assumed) direct mining role coming with the rebalance, denying the rorqual the ability to dock in an Astrahus is, frankly, absurd.
Quark receives a shuttle that his cousin Gaila has been promising him for years. He christens it Quark's Treasure and for its maiden voyage takes his brother Rom and nephew Nog to Earth, where Nog has been accepted to Starfleet Academy in San Francisco. Quark also intends to make the trip financially profitable by smuggling a load of illicit kemocite explosive to Orion on the return voyage.
As the ship nears Earth, Rom finds that due to sabotage by Gaila they are unable to drop out of warp. However, by detonating part of the unstable kemocite "shipment" to create an explosion they can drop out of warp. Unfortunately, in doing so the ship and crew are thrown back in time to July 1947 and crash land near Roswell, New Mexico. The Ferengi awake on a U.S. military base, where the Americans believe them to be Martians. After Rom repairs their malfunctioning universal translators hidden in their ear canals, Quark begins negotiations with the humans, whom he considers backward and gullible, to sell advanced technology from the future. He brags to Rom and Nog in private that "within a year we'll be running this planet," and dreams of cultivating a vast Ferengi economic empire.
Unknown to the Ferengi, however, Constable Odo had stowed away aboard the shuttle with them and as a result was also thrown back in time. Using his shape shifter abilities, Odo is able to move about the base locating and repairing their spacecraft. He then appears as a German Shepherd Guard Dog in the room where the Ferengi are being held, and morphs into his normal form, telling Quark that he knew about the kemocite smuggling, and that they must try to preserve the timeline and not alter Earth history. Quark, Rom, and Nog then escape from custody with the help of an Army nurse and her college professor boyfriend who has been brought to the base to try to establish dialogue with the aliens.
By harnessing the energy of an atomic bomb test scheduled for that morning, Rom is able to use the remaining kemocite to cause a temporal rift which returns them to their proper time. After dropping off Nog at Starfleet Academy, Quark has to sell the damaged spacecraft for salvage and he, Odo, and Rom return to Deep Space Nine. As the episode ends Odo is seen strong arming Quark off to a holding cell to face charges of smuggling contraband. |
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
690
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:14:29 -
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Arrendis wrote: Orcas are Large hulls, not XLGÇöthey're battleship-sizedGÇöso it's highly unlikely they'll make them unable to dock where every other subcap can.
Freighers...
...are made with Capital Components. ...require Capital Ship Construction to build. ...were going to use XL Rigs before CCP went with Lows instead of Rigs on them.
Really, the only thing that doesn't make them a Capital Ship is that you don't need Capital Ships to fly them. That's one single thing that makes them not capitals compared to three that do.
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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory Peoples United Republic Empire
206
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:14:38 -
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removing docking access for rorqual inn astrahus will lead to less use of that ship. you can compress ore in POS,CITADEL you can do mining boost with ORCA, command ship sush sleipnir , absolution or nighthawk or even use command destroyer. now you made rorqual even less useful |
Wrent Simulus
Space Rocks Industries Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:20:21 -
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This is a poorly thought out change. Don't echo chamber your logic behind this and listen to the folks here please.
Focus your efforts on other things that need fixed, not on making an already under utilized, and undervalued ship even more under utilized and under valued. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2257
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:20:35 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:Zappity wrote:... the Rorqual is going to struggle enough as it is if you insist on making them immobile while boosting. Rorquals, post-change, will not require Sieging to be able to boost. They'll be getting a 4% per level boost to mining and a 3% per level boost to shields when outside of siege. Using the Industrial Core will increase their boosts by up to 25% (for the upcoming T2 Industrial Core). Arrendis wrote: Orcas are Large hulls, not XLGÇöthey're battleship-sizedGÇöso it's highly unlikely they'll make them unable to dock where every other subcap can.
Freighers... ...are made with Capital Components. ...require Capital Ship Construction to build. ...were going to use XL Rigs before CCP went with Lows instead of Rigs on them. Really, the only thing that doesn't make them a Capital Ship is that you don't need Capital Ships to fly them. That's one single thing that makes them not capitals compared to three that do.
Emphasis added in my original statement.
The ORCAGÇöthe Large hull in questionGÇöis not a capital ship. It's not a freighter. It is an 'Industrial Command Ship' that takes the same rigs as a battleship.
I said nothing about freighters. |
Wednesday Askira
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
7
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:23:02 -
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I assume in a few weeks you'll be telling us that all module slots except 1 high slot for indy core will be being removed in nov? |
penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
462
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:23:45 -
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Imagine if the CFC put this much fervor into their defense of Deklein LMao |
DrZoid Berg
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:24:14 -
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Don't worry, making jump clones without standings is an unintended feature, but this is such a game breaking bug, it has to go.
#JustCCPThings |
Opner Dresden
Lugus Foundry The Explicit Alliance
41
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:24:28 -
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A "bug" that hasn't had a single word mentioned in 5 months and is probably a database entry away from being fixed... K... that sounds really believable.
Either way, this is dumb to do in October. At least wait until the rorq changes come.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6400
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:30:10 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:The intended design is that Rorquals should have the same docking access as normal sized capital ships like the carrier, dread and force aux classes. We're fixing this bug in the main October release which means that Rorquals will no longer be able to dock in Astrahus citadels.
/facepalm
I'm speechless. |
Favonius85
House Aratus Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:30:29 -
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Everything is working as intended right up until it isn't. #ccpthings |
Anoron Secheh
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp ChaosTheory.
18
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:32:16 -
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Maybe CCP is just trying to make everything worth more? Less miners = lower supply = high prices = expensive ships. |
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