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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
789
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Posted - 2016.09.24 02:35:22 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:"Kill the Amarr!" "No, let the Amarr kill each other!" "No, kill the Amarr while they're killing each other!"
How about you shut up or we kill you? If you could have, you would have done it by now. The Amarr are indeed strong, but not as strong as you like to boast.
Aldrith Shutaq wrote: If you want to help your people, prove that you are not a threat. Better yet, prove that you can be decent and that maybe your brethren still enslaved deserve to be treated better. And don't give me the same crybaby story "B-but the Amarr are too mean to let us go!" Bullskink ****. My people were enslaved. My people worked hard. My people were freed. A Ni-Kunni bloodline has now been adopted into one of the highest families of the Empire, and many of us are working our way higher into Imperial society. You do not get to use that excuse. Your inability to figure out a way out of slavery besides "I can kill my way out" is your own fault.
TL;DR: you can't beat us, resistance is futile.
You seem to be under the misguided impression that we are interested in joining your little book club and worshiping your invisible man in the sky just to get you to leave us alone. We are not. I for one would prefer to simply be left to our own devices. But I'm not going to get that, am I?
Aldrith Shutaq wrote: The only way to change the Empire is from within it. The only way to change the Empire from the outside is to destroy it. Despite what you drooling barbarians think, there are enough good people in the Empire to not warrant that kind of change, and I and billions of those good people will fight you to the last to keep your rage-fueled dreams of blood and bullets come true. The Minmatar will one day be free; I dream of that day as well. But I am not going to let you burn down my home so you can walk them to freedom over the bodies of my children. We have no interest in becoming part of the Empire to affect change from within. And despite what you arrogant sociopaths think, we as a people have no interest in destroying the Amarr. We know what happens when you drag people over the corpses of children. We watched your raiding party's do it frequently, so let's not sit here and pretend either one of our peoples are innocent in this.
Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Now bring your stupid fleet, I look forward to turning it into roasted trash. Not that it won't be trash to begin with. There is absolutely nothing wrong with minmatar ship design.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2083
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Posted - 2016.09.24 02:46:55 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:You can only threaten a man in front of his family for so long until he loses his temper. If you don't think you need to fear Aldrith Shutaq's temper, you obviously haven't seen his combat record. Only one doing any threatening here was Ronin. And that's like being threatened by Nauplius, amusing at the best annoying at the worst.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
1960
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Posted - 2016.09.24 02:56:30 -
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As a former corporate lawyer, I've got a lot of local ordinances that can be purchased in case you folks happen to run out of your own. I even have some really obscure Amarrian theological ones, but those are extra.
@veikusenpai |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1365
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Posted - 2016.09.24 03:24:32 -
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Khumaaks? How many ya got? I keep losing mine in fireballs that I ran out a long time ago... |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
1960
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Posted - 2016.09.24 03:49:39 -
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Two parts cognac, one part sweet vermouth, shaken with an egg yolk and a teaspoon of powdered sugar. Serve into a cocktail glass with a zest of lemon and some mint leaves.
The perfect Khumaak to break your skull with.
@veikusenpai |
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1365
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Posted - 2016.09.24 06:59:59 -
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Well that's a new one, don't get me wrong I can't wait to try it. Thanks! |
Alistair Schneider
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.09.24 07:21:16 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:
I'd rather they not do that, ya your right on that regard. I don't really understand how it would be some "corrupt divine intervention" honestly, your people chose a rather barbaric method of showing your gods favor, how is it corrupt if outside factors (the possible emperor/empress selecting superior pilots) are exactly what proves it? Whether I would celebrate or whatever the civil war of those who have the bravado to say they are the chosen people to lead the cluster into some light, no I wouldnt celebrate their deaths per say but I'll certainly be laughing at your peoples lack of faith. I don't honestly understand how a civil war between factions in one of our shared enemy would drastically effect the federation. I will say I'm not an economist, I'm a combat pilot and a rather p**s poor fleet commander. I strongly doubt the Khanid navy could beat the Amarr navy proper.
Your religion has committed worse atrocities than a simple civil war could possibly achieve, watching a crisis of faith is more horrid than actively killing your peers? Short sighted maybe...
Avoiding many glaring flaws in your arguments, I'll try to keep my thoughts concise for the sake of lessening the burden for anyone having to read the IGS today:
The Empire is the largest and militaristically most powerful of the nations provided today. If there were a civil war between their Navy and an additional Navy of comparable power, the economy would become wartime. The Empire has incredible amounts of trade with the Federation. In fact, the Federation is a magnificent trade hub for most, if not all, of the Empires. A massive economy crippled would be, understandably, poor for the recipients on the other trading end.
The succession trials are anything but "barbaric," you know! They've become very organized, very sterile, and trials by combat have been engrained in cultures throughout the Cluster for... Well, millenia! Organizing and legalizing and making it a spectacle has no bearing on this. In fact, I would argue it lessens what you could ever perceive as "barbaric."
And... Please, just because the Federation and the Empire differ on major ideologies doesn't make them enemies. Diplomatically it's a strained relationship, but I would argue that currently, only the Matari are actively nurturing the enemy mindset. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
1960
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Posted - 2016.09.24 07:26:21 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Well that's a new one, don't get me wrong I can't wait to try it. Thanks!
Although I will say drinking a Khumaak is more for the morning after you went drinking, find a dead body in your hotel bathroom, and need to try and remember just exactly what you did last night while the forensic cleaning crew you called is on the way so you don't have to explain to the front desk something you have no recollection of.
(That was a joke).
@veikusenpai |
Alistair Schneider
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.09.24 07:27:04 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:You seem to be under the misguided impression that we are interested in joining your little book club and worshiping your invisible man in the sky just to get you to leave us alone.
Sorry for the double post, but I also don't understand this argument. I've seen it a lot! Reading the IGS and my personal work out and about I often hear Minmatar criticize the Amarr Faith as some gobbledygook, but as far as I've come to understand, a large amount of the Matari practice spiritualism and shamanism and natural spiritual deities and, from what I can tell, magic tattoos.
I don't understand how you can scoff at both at the same time! I thought, since you're of the tribes, you'd at least not berate your own peoples' beliefs by criticising faith in general! |
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
790
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Posted - 2016.09.24 08:09:38 -
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Alistair Schneider wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:You seem to be under the misguided impression that we are interested in joining your little book club and worshiping your invisible man in the sky just to get you to leave us alone.
Sorry for the double post, but I also don't understand this argument. I've seen it a lot! Reading the IGS and my personal work out and about I often hear Minmatar criticize the Amarr Faith as some gobbledygook, but as far as I've come to understand, a large amount of the Matari practice spiritualism and shamanism and natural spiritual deities and, from what I can tell, magic tattoos. I don't understand how you can scoff at both at the same time! I thought, since you're of the tribes, you'd at least not berate your own peoples' beliefs by criticising faith in general! I don't recall being critical of faith in general. Just the ones that enforce the idea that everyone not of that faith is a sub-human piece of trash and needs to be enslaved or killed. Our spiritualism is for the betterment of ourselves, Amarrian religion tells them that by, ruining the lives of other people, they are actually helping them.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Cain Aloga
Aloga Industries
211
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Posted - 2016.09.24 08:26:11 -
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Alistair Schneider wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:You seem to be under the misguided impression that we are interested in joining your little book club and worshiping your invisible man in the sky just to get you to leave us alone.
Sorry for the double post, but I also don't understand this argument. I've seen it a lot! Reading the IGS and my personal work out and about I often hear Minmatar criticize the Amarr Faith as some gobbledygook, but as far as I've come to understand, a large amount of the Matari practice spiritualism and shamanism and natural spiritual deities and, from what I can tell, magic tattoos. I don't understand how you can scoff at both at the same time! I thought, since you're of the tribes, you'd at least not berate your own peoples' beliefs by criticising faith in general!
To be clear, he was berating YOUR people's beliefes. Not ours.
While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
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Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
739
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Posted - 2016.09.24 11:05:52 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote: How about you shut up or we kill you?
Honestly, just get on with it already. If you're going to make a case for it, just do it already so we can finish off your pathetic two-region refugee camp you call a civilization.
Um.
Spin cycle engaged?
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6420
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Posted - 2016.09.24 11:20:42 -
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The Empire is twice the size of the Republic, is the point.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2592
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Posted - 2016.09.24 13:20:45 -
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Jason Galente wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote: How about you shut up or we kill you?
Honestly, just get on with it already. If you're going to make a case for it, just do it already so we can finish off your pathetic two-region refugee camp you call a civilization.
Um.
Spin cycle engaged?
Admiral Shutaq was clearly referring to what would happen if the gloves were taken off and a full-blown war broke out between the Republic and the Empire.
But feel free to spin it otherwise.
Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2302
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Posted - 2016.09.24 17:24:30 -
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I don't think I need to fear his temper; I'm not planning on doing anything amazingly stupid on Tuesday.
Even if I was, I wouldn't be so idiotic as to advertise it here, of all places.
I'm not going to do anything amazingly stupid because, well, it'd be amazingly stupidGÇöand not just because of the sheer level of futility involved, as I've already outlined. Rather, one of the most liberal possible choices for the Empire has won the throne. I'm optimistic that the new Empress will see that while slavery appears to be an economic windfall, compulsory labor is not actually efficient labor. Free people work harder for themselves than slaves do for their masters. I'm also optimistic that under her rule, the Empire will seek to expand its economic relationships with the Republic and the Federation.
I'm also not looking to do anything amazingly stupid because ultimately, Aldrith is right. If you want to change people, you cannot attack them with anything less than devastating amounts of force. The kind of overwhelming power that leaves them alive only because you choose to. And even then, you will have to burn everything to the ground and rebuild it. It will take generations of work. And there is no power in the cluster right now strong enough to do that to the Amarr Empire unless literally all three of the other empires joined forces to do it.
Even if it were feasible, it remains an option of last resort. Isn't the idea of a vastly more powerful group coming in and brutalizing a people just so they can have their way the very root of what we object to now? How would becoming the thing we hateGÇöthe savage, vicious, barbaric conquerors and destroyers of all the good, along with the badGÇödo anyone any good?
We have to continue to fight the slavers wherever we can, but we also need to work to improve the lot of our people at home. Long before we seek to attack the Empire itself, or kill the Empress as some kind of mad gesture intended to throw the Empire into chaos, we need to exhaust every other option we have to convince the Empire to look at itself and understand what continuing to rely on slave labor, no matter the excuse, is really costing its people in terms of their own spiritual health.
We can't just come at them like a horde of rabid fedo (before you ask, I have never seen one, and don't want to). Being aggressive and hostile makes people defensive. When people get defensive, they resist change, and become even more devoted to things they might have otherwise acknowledged they really weren't benefiting from, just because you want to take it away. Obviously, we all have our moments where something happens, and we react, and those reactions can be intemperate and hot-headed. When it happens, we should cop to it and hope the people we've attacked can understand, and find ways to patch up the rifts that it causes. What we shouldn't be doing is embracing that kind of hot-tempered, violence-before-all-else approach. It won't work. It just makes them oppose our goals harder. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
489
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Posted - 2016.09.24 17:24:40 -
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Ah so at last the true Shutaq is unmasked for what he is; not the reasonable moderate that he appears but simply another xenophobe and racist. Get a slaver angry enough and their true colors will always show in their words.
And Blake rest assured that if full-fledged war broke out between your people and the Minmatar that the destruction would be mutual. Your arrogance leads you to believe that you'd have an easy win but this wouldn't be the case. Your penchant for underestimating your opponent is one of your greatest weaknesses. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2302
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Posted - 2016.09.24 17:31:25 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Admiral Shutaq was clearly referring to what would happen if the gloves were taken off and a full-blown war broke out between the Republic and the Empire.
What would quite likely happen is that the Federation would either honor its alliance, causing the State to honor theirs, and plunging 'high-security' space back into the kind of warfare even we 'monsters' in null don't engage in (starving planets, using freighters as near-extinction-level impact masses, etc), or the Federation might take advantage of the Empire's distraction to launch their own war against the State, producing largely the same results.
Meanwhile, the odds are very good that the Great Wildlands would boil over and the Amarr and Matari populations would annhilate one another. The Empire may be larger, but a much higher percentage of Matari are already militarized. More might well strike at the Empire from Federation space.
Either way, it would not leave any of the current Empires even close to 'intact'. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2302
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Posted - 2016.09.24 17:33:56 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Ah so at last the true Shutaq is unmasked for what he is; not the reasonable moderate that he appears but simply another xenophobe and racist. Get a slaver angry enough and their true colors will always show in their words.
Don't be stupid. Threaten any capsuleer's children, and you'll likely get a very similar response. Threaten most of our baseliner families, and don't be surprised if there's some sort of bizarre malfunction with your home clone's incubation tube right when you need it.
We are not so immortal that we cannot be killed. It only takes the right amount of money, and most of us have far more of that than we do patience or forgiveness.
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
226
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Posted - 2016.09.24 17:37:44 -
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Arrendis wrote:and most of us have far more of that than we do patience or forgiveness.
Or rationality and humanity, too.
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
489
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Posted - 2016.09.24 20:12:22 -
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I didn't see anyone threatening Shutaq's family. Please point out where in this thread that happened and I'll certainly admit my fault
Also, if Shutaq felt slighted then fine, take the matter up with the pilot who did the deed. Why attack the entire Matari race in such an insulting manner? No, make all the excuses you like, his words were those of a bigot plain and simple. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2306
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Posted - 2016.09.24 21:59:34 -
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Destabilizing the Empire would directly endanger his children. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1569
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Posted - 2016.09.24 22:27:19 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:You seem to be under the misguided impression that we are interested in joining your little book club and worshiping your invisible man in the sky just to get you to leave us alone. We are not. I for one would prefer to simply be left to our own devices. But I'm not going to get that, am I? No, you're not, because the Elder Fleet broke the treaties promising we would leave you alone.
Tyrel Toov wrote:We have no interest in becoming part of the Empire to affect change from within. And despite what you arrogant sociopaths think, we as a people have no interest in destroying the Amarr. We know what happens when you drag people over the corpses of children. We watched your raiding party's do it frequently, so let's not sit here and pretend either one of our peoples are innocent in this. You clearly do want to destroy us, since many of you insist on committing terrorist acts within the Empire, and the rest of you tacitly support those acts. Most Minmatar do not want peace, they want revenge and victory. If that were not true more leaders like Karin Midular would be vying to challenge the warmonger that lead you into your current tribal council government. You also would not have supported the Elder Fleet's attack, and made apologies for their wanton violence.
Tyrel Toov wrote:There is absolutely nothing wrong with minmatar ship design. You use weapon systems invented in our early industrial age. You use power systems every other race recognized as dangerous and inefficient centuries ago. You use vermin that smell of corpses covered in excrement as a ship decontamination system. You still haven't figured out anti-corrosion nanocoatings. You require twice the number of crew as other ships to operate the same systems. You pride yourselves on using temporary adhesive bindings barely suitable for keeping cardboard boxes together as repair tools for vital ship systems.
I think there might be something wrong with Minmatar ship design.
Nick Bete wrote:Ah so at last the true Shutaq is unmasked for what he is; not the reasonable moderate that he appears but simply another xenophobe and racist. Get a slaver angry enough and their true colors will always show in their words. You're wrong and I don't care enough to tell you why.
Arrendis wrote:Destabilizing the Empire would directly endanger his children. Why this is not obvious to other people, I do not know, but I am happy you pointed it out for me so I did not have to feel like I'm trying to teach the concept of indirect consequences to a two-year old. I have enough of that at home.
I still don't trust you, though.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6423
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Posted - 2016.09.25 00:18:48 -
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Nick Bete wrote:I didn't see anyone threatening Shutaq's family. Please point out where in this thread that happened and I'll certainly admit my fault
Also, if Shutaq felt slighted then fine, take the matter up with the pilot who did the deed. Why attack the entire Matari race in such an insulting manner? No, make all the excuses you like, his words were those of a bigot plain and simple.
It's widely understood that the immediate effect of ripping all the Minmatar slaves out of the Empire in the short term would the complete and total economic, cultural and industrial collapse of BOTH the Republic and the Empire.
When the Empire collapses it would, likely, take most of its Lord Holders and their families with it. Even if the Empire collapsed into anarcho-feudal satrapies, it would mean that Aldrith and his children and his children's children would likely be consigned to a life of raiding for resources and defending their resources from raiders while the situation boiled and frothed around them.
So, no, Aldrith doesn't see the collapse of his incredibly ancient home nation as an academic detail. The Amarr aren't like us, they like to change at their own pace. The Caldari and Minmatar are quite happy whipping up new nations in a couple of centuries and considering them stable - the Amarr aren't.
If you're going to make peace with them, you need to understand them a bit better. If you intend to beat them, that goes double.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Anabella Rella
Gradient
2262
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Posted - 2016.09.25 00:22:17 -
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Isn't the condemning of an entire people for the acts of a few the very definition of bigotry? Pilot Shutaq I had thought better of you than this. How do you presume to know what most of us Minmatar want? If I were being a bigot/racist I would say the same of your people; that most Amarrians want eternal slavery, war, conquest and subjugation of those viewed as "lessers". However, I know from my dealings with you personally and with many other moderate imperials that most Amarrians wish the same as most Matari, Gallente and Caldari; that is to be left in peace to raise their families, participate in their communities and to go about their daily business without outside interference.
The fact that many Matari captains, including me, do no support Pilot Ronin's agenda should be enough for you to understand that there is no broad support for provoking an all out war with your people. We recognize the foolishness of attacking a numerically and logistically superior force. There are no officially sanctioned incursions into your space by Matari groups. No Matari were involved in the murder of your empress. We do not interfere in your economic or political affairs.
I won't belabor the other points in your post as the Elder Fleet argument could go on and on forever.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Jason Galente
Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai
740
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Posted - 2016.09.25 02:41:36 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Isn't the condemning of an entire people for the acts of a few the very definition of bigotry?
That would be an example of prejudice.
Bigotry is the refusal to accept/tolerate the existence of opinions different from one's own.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
1965
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Posted - 2016.09.25 10:19:20 -
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Minmatar projectile turrets use gunpowder? That's news to me. The one's I've usually used are based on an electrothermal plasma ignition of a deuterium main charge. They're not exactly anachronistic in that regard.
And the armour hull plates are crystalline carbon not too dissimilar to Gallente plating, except with ferrofluid inserts which especially on tech 2 variations creates high degrees of EM dispersion. Not the stuff you'd use without an advanced technology base.
Minmatar ships are designed around the principles of ease of re-supply and repair in the field and they are built for rugged simplicity in the conduct of asymmetric operations. That doesn't make them less capable, just focused on different design goals.
I do feel sorry for any Amarrian commander that has the misfortune of having to face a full Republic Svipul flotilla though:
"But Sir! The lasers, they do nothing!" Said the gunnery crew to the combat bridge. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1572
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Posted - 2016.09.25 10:21:23 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:The fact that many Matari captains, including me, do no support Pilot Ronin's agenda should be enough for you to understand that there is no broad support for provoking an all out war with your people. We recognize the foolishness of attacking a numerically and logistically superior force. There are no officially sanctioned incursions into your space by Matari groups. No Matari were involved in the murder of your empress. We do not interfere in your economic or political affairs.
If that is the truth then my statements were not directed towards you. I specifically referenced "freedom fighter" types - those who use violence to achieve the end of freeing legal slaves and destabilizing the Amarr Empire. I then used some colorful language in reference to them that was specifically meant to be inflammatory to draw them out so I could verbally beat them a bit more. I've gotten a bit bored during the quiet moments of my vacation here on Mishi, and I wanted something to keep my occupied and motivated ahead of my return to duty tomorrow. I do not apologize for your misunderstanding, but I do praise you for wanting to stay on your side of the border and do something productive rather than destructive for your people. If only the original poster though like that.
I'll see the ones who do not think like you soon enough, however.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2313
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Posted - 2016.09.26 05:01:25 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:No, you're not, because the Elder Fleet broke the treaties promising we would leave you alone.
Well, except for the Elder Fleet and the Defiants that assisted them not actually being Republic actors, so they couldn't violate a treaty any more than the Blood Raiders can invalidate the Empire's treaty with the State. Sure, a fair amount of the populace cheered the Elder Fleet on, but people do that sort of thing when they see someone trying to free their kin. Popular support doesn't automatically imply government sanction.
Quote: You use weapon systems invented in our early industrial age. You use power systems every other race recognized as dangerous and inefficient centuries ago. You use vermin that smell of corpses covered in excrement as a ship decontamination system. You still haven't figured out anti-corrosion nanocoatings. You require twice the number of crew as other ships to operate the same systems. You pride yourselves on using temporary adhesive bindings barely suitable for keeping cardboard boxes together as repair tools for vital ship systems.
Ok, first off, a set of 1400mm artillery fires a projectile 1.4mx1.4m with a volume of 0.025m3. This is clearly a mushrooming round, because it's the same round fired by an 800mm autocannon. That means (because the volume of a cylinder is V=-Çr2h) the round is approximately 0.05m (or 5cm) tall before firing. Once the propellant detonates, it then expands to fill the barrel. If it retained the full volume (which, obviously, it does not, because part of it just detonated), in a 1400mm barrel, the resulting projectile would be 0.016m (16mm) thick. This wafer the height of a tween and as thick as a piece of pressboard then proceeds to strike a target 200km away in roughly the same time it takes the energy from a Heavy Beam Laser to arrive.
So, while I know we call them 'projectile' weapons, that's clearly because the round contains the propellant, as opposed to the magnetic acceleration in the barrels of blasters and railguns. And if you were inventing relativistic death-salami in your early industrial age, it is truly a miracle you did not blow yourselves and your entire planet up. They may be 'artillery', but this is obviously not an industrial-age chemical firearm. You can't even detonate a chemical firearm in a vacuum, there's no oxygen to catalyze the fuel.
And the duct tape thing is a joke, man.
Quote:I still don't trust you, though.
I don't expect you to. But I will say this: I think by now you should recognize that when I have an issue or a problem, I confront it. I may not do so in the most politic or even well-thought-out way, but if I'm going to do something to you, I'm not the sort of person who'll hide it.
So as long as I say I'll behave, I'll behave. If I'm not going to behave... I'll give you plenty of warning. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1587
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Posted - 2016.09.26 06:25:02 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:The one's I've usually used are based on an electrothermal plasma ignition of a deuterium main charge. They're not exactly anachronistic in that regard.
Also known as 'nuclear fusion'.
We also add rocket propulsion systems to the shells to keep them accelerating even after they leave the barrel. We call them 'Gyrojets'.
By the way, you can detonate chemical propellants in space for as long as they are sealed and they also contain molecules of oxygen in them. That's how our small arms function in vacuum. Back in the day, boarding action when it still was a thing involved decompressed bulkheads. To ensure that our shotguns and SMGs still function in those situations, we use chemical propellants whose constituent also included oxygen.
Finally, I seem to recall that the Parliamentary government was for all purpose defunct during the Elder War.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
1969
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Posted - 2016.09.26 07:33:21 -
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Hey, I was just trying to support Shutaq's initial argument. Because if you're going to be angry by the threat the Republic poses to the Empire and thus by extension one's own family then that threat has to be real and present. It would present a contradiction if Republic ships (And thus the main threat to the Empire) were inferior gunpowder using, thermonuclear death traps held together with duct-tape -- because if the inferiority was real then rightfully what is there to be worried about in the Empire?
So I decided to be helpful and point out that actually, yes, Minmatar ships can and do pose some threat to the Empire and thus confirm the man does have something to be angry about.
I can be nice like that sometimes. |
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