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Warlord Balrog
303rd X-SOLDIER
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Posted - 2016.09.10 12:05:48 -
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Dravar wrote:The exefile is just needed as a backup because CCP keeps butchering the launcher when changing it, making groups of people unable to play, and is too incompetent to test the new launcher thoroughly before releasing it.
Hypothetically speaking, you design something new. Now you think you're ready to release it to the public. What's a better testing platform:
Hire 5 people and have them do all the work -or- Release a beta to the public (millions of people) and see if they find more bugs.
Which will be quicker? Which will produce more bug reports? Which will be more accurate? Which will cover more platforms and hardware?
So, by assuming no testing is being done, you just considered yourself a moot point. I'm not personally attacking you, just pointing out an unrecognized fact.
As far as holding off the exefile change. This is a 50/50 shot. One one hand, it gives those who exploit security the upper hand, but also reduces playerbase. One the other hand, those who have patience to stick around with a game they claim to love and still have the passion to argue over will be more secure, and less people can steal your belongings. Which reduces on support and security tracking down more thefts.
So I ask you and everyone else this: Would you rather put all your (assets) eggs in one basket and hope nobody finds it, or stand up for your game by properly submitting a bug report as CCP suggested and worse case scenario, you don't sub for a month? |
Emrys Alf
Seagull Fleet DRONE WALKERS
7
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Posted - 2016.09.10 13:49:28 -
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Came on today and back to 0 on a windows machine.. carefully put in 10 accounts and they are all gone. 20 min of wasted time that needs to be repeated and leaves a worry that it will happen again. |
Dravar
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.09.10 14:11:37 -
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Warlord Balrog wrote:Dravar wrote:The exefile is just needed as a backup because CCP keeps butchering the launcher when changing it, making groups of people unable to play, and is too incompetent to test the new launcher thoroughly before releasing it. Hypothetically speaking, you design something new. Now you think you're ready to release it to the public. What's a better testing platform: Hire 5 people and have them do all the work -or- Release a beta to the public (millions of people) and see if they find more bugs. Which will be quicker? Which will produce more bug reports? Which will be more accurate? Which will cover more platforms and hardware? So, by assuming no testing is being done, you just considered yourself a moot point. I'm not personally attacking you, just pointing out an unrecognized fact. As far as holding off the exefile change. This is a 50/50 shot. One one hand, it gives those who exploit security the upper hand, but also reduces playerbase. One the other hand, those who have patience to stick around with a game they claim to love and still have the passion to argue over will be more secure, and less people can steal your belongings. Which reduces on support and security tracking down more thefts. So I ask you and everyone else this: Would you rather put all your (assets) eggs in one basket and hope nobody finds it, or stand up for your game by properly submitting a bug report as CCP suggested and worse case scenario, you don't sub for a month?
If what you say is what they are actually doing and they are intentionally releasing buggy launcher versions so that their customers will test it for them, then it only makes sense to have an alternative in case it breaks.
By the way, imagine if all game developers adopted this mentality and everyone just started to release their software full of bugs because their paying customers will take care of finding the bugs. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1806
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Posted - 2016.09.10 14:40:26 -
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Dravar wrote:Warlord Balrog wrote:Dravar wrote:The exefile is just needed as a backup because CCP keeps butchering the launcher when changing it, making groups of people unable to play, and is too incompetent to test the new launcher thoroughly before releasing it. Hypothetically speaking, you design something new. Now you think you're ready to release it to the public. What's a better testing platform: Hire 5 people and have them do all the work -or- Release a beta to the public (millions of people) and see if they find more bugs. Which will be quicker? Which will produce more bug reports? Which will be more accurate? Which will cover more platforms and hardware? So, by assuming no testing is being done, you just considered yourself a moot point. I'm not personally attacking you, just pointing out an unrecognized fact. As far as holding off the exefile change. This is a 50/50 shot. One one hand, it gives those who exploit security the upper hand, but also reduces playerbase. One the other hand, those who have patience to stick around with a game they claim to love and still have the passion to argue over will be more secure, and less people can steal your belongings. Which reduces on support and security tracking down more thefts. So I ask you and everyone else this: Would you rather put all your (assets) eggs in one basket and hope nobody finds it, or stand up for your game by properly submitting a bug report as CCP suggested and worse case scenario, you don't sub for a month? If what you say is what they are actually doing and they are intentionally releasing buggy launcher versions so that their customers will test it for them, then it only makes sense to have an alternative in case it breaks. By the way, imagine if all game developers adopted the mentality that you suggest and everyone just started to release their software full of bugs because their paying customers will take care of finding the bugs.
Erm there's this thing called early access, not sure if you heard of it..... |
Vasili Zaitsez
Malleus Clusores Brothers of Tangra
6
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Posted - 2016.09.10 15:03:22 -
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Dravar: "The exefile is just needed as a backup..." in the event of unforeseen failure Seems to be a lot of agreement here
Warlord Balrog: "Hypothetically speaking, you design something new. Now you think you're ready to release it to the public. What's a better testing platform:
Hire 5 people and have them do all the work -or- Release a beta to the public (millions of people) and see if they find more bugs.
Which will be quicker? Which will produce more bug reports? Which will be more accurate? Which will cover more platforms and hardware?" This is not a hypothetical, its a fact. MicroShaft did this with Win10 while results were shall we say, mixed, Win10 was FREE
"As far as holding off the exefile change. This is a 50/50 shot. One one hand, it gives those who exploit security the upper hand, but also reduces playerbase. One the other hand, those who have patience to stick around with a game they claim to love and still have the passion to argue over will be more secure, and less people can steal your belongings. Which reduces on support and security tracking down more thefts." Deleting exe file is not a 50/50, its a 100% shutout for those whom it does not work. No matter how much passion or love for EvE you may have, when you cant get in, you cant get in, end of story
"So I ask you and everyone else this: Would you rather put all your (assets) eggs in one basket and hope nobody finds it, or stand up for your game by properly submitting a bug report as CCP suggested and worse case scenario, you don't sub for a month?" This not the worst case, its actually best case.
You want me to be your bug tester? Glad to do it! Allow me to register my accounts as Beta/Dev accounts. Give me free Omega access to the accounts as long as I am debugging for you. You can expect detailed bug reports from me on a regular basis
Don't play on gamers loyalty to this game with the expectation that they will pay full subscription price for interrupted service and cheerfully provide constant bug reports on those occasions they actually get in.
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GeeBee
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
123
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Posted - 2016.09.10 16:47:06 -
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how about adding some of the security features to the exefile.exe launch and leave it as an option?
I downloaded the new launcher today and saw the news there. I prefer using the *launchers* to patch which is to me what their intended feature is. I run dual monitors in fullscreen windowed mode and bypassing the launchers is the best way to use both monitors quickly and easily without headache.
Also as a veteran player there is a lot of nostalgia from this type of launching, the login screen is nearly the same as when i first started playing back in 2005. Scrapping this type of login rather than updating it is sad and insulting. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6177
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Posted - 2016.09.10 16:59:26 -
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GeeBee wrote:how about adding some of the security features to the exefile.exe launch and leave it as an option?
I downloaded the new launcher today and saw the news there. I prefer using the *launchers* to patch which is to me what their intended feature is. I run dual monitors in fullscreen windowed mode and bypassing the launchers is the best way to use both monitors quickly and easily without headache.
Also as a veteran player there is a lot of nostalgia from this type of launching, the login screen is nearly the same as when i first started playing back in 2005. Scrapping this type of login rather than updating it is sad and insulting.
umm, to run in full screen mode with two seperate accounts:
start the launcher. log in with both accounts.
(the next few steps are done once) hit the cog on the line for one of the accounts. pick 'manage profiles' create a new profile. Maybe rename your profiles (like 'left screen' and 'right screen') close the manage profile window. Using the cog on each account, pick the profile you want. Start an account. Set it up (on the correct screen). Exit. Start the second account. Set it up (on the correct screen) exit.
Then, when you start accounts, it'll start them on the screen you want.
If you've already got the profiles created from the exe file, you may see them on the left hand side, under 'migrate old accounts'. If so, select them, and hit copy. you'll probably want to rename them. That saves redoing the configuration.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
235
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Posted - 2016.09.10 18:13:28 -
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You guys really suck. This will mean yet again about 5 hours of work per account to fix all my quickbar items, links and settings. And of course the launcher still looks crappy and unifinished having some items obscuring others which means we'll do this all yet again a year from now.
You guys really need to learn the value of simplicity & intuitiveness. |
Muul Udonii
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
159
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Posted - 2016.09.10 20:49:45 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:Muul Udonii wrote:CCP have ignored all bug reports I filed. Please do not assume this is the case. We are not assuming anything. We base this conclusion on one very observable fact: The bugs do not get fixed.
+1. The launcher STILL fails for me.
And yes, I submitted all logs, and even petitioned it when I thought removing the old launcher support would mean i could no longer patch. Fortunately the old launcher still patches and I can use the EXEFILE to launch the game. |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
4
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Posted - 2016.09.11 03:56:43 -
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Well let me tell you what happened today with your launcher!
I logged in and my resolution was completely wrong and caused me monitor to go black due to out of sync refresh. I managed to reboot and after screwing with it 3 more times I got in with no sync issues. I am in the middle of clearing out a den in my faction ship and I suddenly lose control of my ship ( launchers wouldn't launch shield boosters wouldn't boost). I lost my ship. 1 bill gone because of your launcher.
Seems your launcher decided after I was already in the game to verify all of the game files using all 12.1Mbps of my internet bandwidth... The game launcher caused it's own program to lag out for christ sake!
Re-think this Your stand alone launcher is not ready. In my case the launcher didn't even check to make sure the client was not running before verifying files. Also why would any launcher/updater not have a qos (quality of service) to ensure it does not use 100% bandwidth? All I can say is good luck because "ain't nobody got time for that"! |
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Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2016.09.11 04:25:48 -
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enotsmirb wrote:Well let me tell you what happened today with your launcher!
I logged in and my resolution was completely wrong and caused me monitor to go black due to out of sync refresh. I managed to reboot and after screwing with it 3 more times I got in with no sync issues. I am in the middle of clearing out a den in my faction ship and I suddenly lose control of my ship ( launchers wouldn't launch shield boosters wouldn't boost). I lost my ship. 1 bill gone because of your launcher.
Seems your launcher decided after I was already in the game to verify all of the game files using all 12.1Mbps of my internet bandwidth... The game launcher caused it's own program to lag out for christ sake!
Re-think this Your stand alone launcher is not ready. In my case the launcher didn't even check to make sure the client was not running before verifying files. Also why would any launcher/updater not have a qos (quality of service) to ensure it does not use 100% bandwidth? All I can say is good luck because "ain't nobody got time for that"!
That is some seriously messed-up launcher behavior. Looks like CCP is shipping us barely baked alpha-level code.
To CCP devs: please man up and admit to your managers that the new launcher just isn't ready yet for something as dangerous as removing login via Exefile. They will find out the truth eventually, but if you are honest with them now you might be able to avoid losing more customers. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1814
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Posted - 2016.09.11 04:39:25 -
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enotsmirb wrote:Well let me tell you what happened today with your launcher!
I logged in and my resolution was completely wrong and caused me monitor to go black due to out of sync refresh. I managed to reboot and after screwing with it 3 more times I got in with no sync issues. I am in the middle of clearing out a den in my faction ship and I suddenly lose control of my ship ( launchers wouldn't launch shield boosters wouldn't boost). I lost my ship. 1 bill gone because of your launcher.
Seems your launcher decided after I was already in the game to verify all of the game files using all 12.1Mbps of my internet bandwidth... The game launcher caused it's own program to lag out for christ sake!
Re-think this Your stand alone launcher is not ready. In my case the launcher didn't even check to make sure the client was not running before verifying files. Also why would any launcher/updater not have a qos (quality of service) to ensure it does not use 100% bandwidth? All I can say is good luck because "ain't nobody got time for that"!
Because verifying files uses bandwidth...... |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
5
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Posted - 2016.09.11 04:52:26 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:enotsmirb wrote:Well let me tell you what happened today with your launcher!
I logged in and my resolution was completely wrong and caused me monitor to go black due to out of sync refresh. I managed to reboot and after screwing with it 3 more times I got in with no sync issues. I am in the middle of clearing out a den in my faction ship and I suddenly lose control of my ship ( launchers wouldn't launch shield boosters wouldn't boost). I lost my ship. 1 bill gone because of your launcher.
Seems your launcher decided after I was already in the game to verify all of the game files using all 12.1Mbps of my internet bandwidth... The game launcher caused it's own program to lag out for christ sake!
Re-think this Your stand alone launcher is not ready. In my case the launcher didn't even check to make sure the client was not running before verifying files. Also why would any launcher/updater not have a qos (quality of service) to ensure it does not use 100% bandwidth? All I can say is good luck because "ain't nobody got time for that"! Because verifying files uses bandwidth......
I know right ! I was as shocked as you but sure enough it does. 12.1 Mbps I thought it was downloading an update but it wasn't just verifying. Ps I work for Rexnord corp as a Network admin 17 years. I'm not a software guy but I do know bandwith |
Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2016.09.11 05:02:01 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:enotsmirb wrote:Well let me tell you what happened today with your launcher!
I logged in and my resolution was completely wrong and caused me monitor to go black due to out of sync refresh. I managed to reboot and after screwing with it 3 more times I got in with no sync issues. I am in the middle of clearing out a den in my faction ship and I suddenly lose control of my ship ( launchers wouldn't launch shield boosters wouldn't boost). I lost my ship. 1 bill gone because of your launcher.
Seems your launcher decided after I was already in the game to verify all of the game files using all 12.1Mbps of my internet bandwidth... The game launcher caused it's own program to lag out for christ sake!
Re-think this Your stand alone launcher is not ready. In my case the launcher didn't even check to make sure the client was not running before verifying files. Also why would any launcher/updater not have a qos (quality of service) to ensure it does not use 100% bandwidth? All I can say is good luck because "ain't nobody got time for that"! Because verifying files uses bandwidth......
It depends on how it's implemented, and whether or not that implementation is correct. If during verification it thought it was finding files or resources that were out-of-date or missing, it might very well be downloading them.
It's hard to tell from the outside with no access to the code, but there are a lot of ways to get functionality like this wrong. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1814
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Posted - 2016.09.11 05:07:38 -
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You might know bandwidth but I'm not sure your reasoning is sound.
Verifying files is a disk usage heavy process as it checks files using a scanning tool and using parity logic to determine whether or not you have 100% file integrity. The only part that would ever take any bandwidth would be the final check at the end to sync with the server and any missing files needed.
Unless this was a fresh install and you were literally forcing the game to download vital assets while you were playing.
And as a network admin, you don't set any kind of QOS or bandwidth caps to deal with such eventualities?
I know some ISPs provide what might as well be a brick in terms of a router (mine certainly does) and refuses to let you use your own so I can totally understand of those functions aren't available to you. |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
5
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Posted - 2016.09.11 05:58:32 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:You might know bandwidth but I'm not sure your reasoning is sound.
Verifying files is a disk usage heavy process as it checks files using a scanning tool and using parity logic to determine whether or not you have 100% file integrity. The only part that would ever take any bandwidth would be the final check at the end to sync with the server and any missing files needed.
Unless this was a fresh install and you were literally forcing the game to download vital assets while you were playing.
And as a network admin, you don't set any kind of QOS or bandwidth caps to deal with such eventualities?
I know some ISPs provide what might as well be a brick in terms of a router (mine certainly does) and refuses to let you use your own so I can totally understand of those functions aren't available to you.
SIr or Madam, ? As far as your statement to using a scanning tool and parity logic... huh? You are over complicating it. The launcher got hung on the very first file it tried to verify ....why because it was in use by the game EXE. So it went into a loop thinking the file was bad or couldnt be deleted/replaced (my assumption) so yes it was trying to download.The launcher said it was verifying. It's real simple to check your bandwidth usage if you have a baseline it's called .... wait for it.... Windows Task manager! It's so advanced and has so, sooo much parity logic stuffs !!! In all fairness the log is huge and has 30-40k lines stating some variation of :
"C:/ProgramData/CCP/EVE/SharedCache//ResFiles/de/dec35e7da6b7aafe_2f17b3e9c4357fc4062f504bea11a017" 2016-09-10T17:27:09.295ZdefaultdebugCouldn't delete"
I think you just like to pick at the wound that was my destroyed soul, I mean FACTION FIT CRUSIER. But tanks for the debate/argument it inspired me to read a 4 megabyte txt file at 2am. sadly the software launcher is still not ready to stand on its own.
P.s I use a Cisco enterprise router 3 generations newer than any equipment comcast has. (because it was free) |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1815
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Posted - 2016.09.11 06:05:24 -
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I think that's more permission issues rather than what you might think it is.
I run a 8mbit down connection and leave my launcher open when playing and ever experienced such a bandwidth hog like that.
But since you have a decent router, why not set up some QoS rules to prevent this from happening again? |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
5
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Posted - 2016.09.11 06:22:56 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:I think that's more permission issues rather than what you might think it is.
I run a 8mbit down connection and leave my launcher open when playing and never experienced such a bandwidth hog like that.
But since you have a decent router, why not set up some QoS rules to prevent this from happening again?
if a file is in use its locked and inaccessible to outside programs in this case the launcher in about 99% of all cases... you are missing the point again... The G-damn launcher did not know the client was running = loss of ship
Why I no set up Qos on Cisco router for my wow/eve/porn computer? ...Because its Cisco IOS ! I like you, I really do but stop talking now. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1820
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Posted - 2016.09.11 08:25:27 -
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So you think that because it was trying to delete a file it couldn't....lead to it attempting to download the same file over and over?
Doesn't make sense bro
And get a better router! |
Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
24
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Posted - 2016.09.11 11:05:26 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:So you think that because it was trying to delete a file it couldn't....lead to it attempting to download the same file over and over?
Doesn't make sense bro
And get a better router!
When software errors are involved, there are any number of possible behaviors that could be occurring that manifest as a particular set of symptoms. Many of them won't make sense until one identifies the root cause(s).
It's not our responsibility as customers to come up with explanations that completely make sense. That's the duty of CCP, as well as to ship software that actually works reliably. Stop trying to blame the customer for CCP's failures and general incompetence. |
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enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
5
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Posted - 2016.09.11 13:20:00 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:So you think that because it was trying to delete a file it couldn't....lead to it attempting to download the same file over and over?
Doesn't make sense bro
And get a better router!
You are more than welcome to diagnose my computer software related issues with your godlike Omnipresent, Omnipotent, and Omniscient abilities from the comfort of your own domicile. I am 100% sure you don't need log files and timestamps, error messages, and or even 1 more single clue related to this isolated incident. To conclude ...
No I never said it tried to download the same file over and over. What I wrote was "it went into a loop thinking the file was bad or couldn't be deleted/replaced" The assumption is that the launcher began to repair the client while it was running. Hence the excerpt I referred to(copy N paste) in the logfile.
The problem with your reply arguments is that your only affirmative assumptions you make is that my reasoning isn't sound or the issue is not what I think it is. Or I need a better router...
This thread is not intended to be an episode of mystery diagnosis. The only absolute fact here is **** be broke, **** need be fixed.... Please don't take my sunshine away ((x86)\CCP\EVE\bin\exefile)....
And my enterprise router retails for more than 80% of the cars on the road today and requires a CCNA CCNP skill set that in itself can cost more than most cars on the road today. Bro do you even Cisco? |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1824
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Posted - 2016.09.11 14:32:22 -
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I don't thong th-thong thong thong no but I know a router with no QoS functionality is a bad router
Or maybe you just don't know how to configure it. Probably more likely if it cost that much.
Your assumptions make no sense, inability to delete a file would not trigger any downloading, inability to FIND a file might
Assuming that 'it's all broked ' can just end up in infinite possibilities. Maybe the office cat walked over the keyboard during bug testing. Have you ever heard of the phrase: " when you hear hooves, think horses not zebras"?
Very relevant in the world of any profession that requires any kind of diagnosis, network engineering falling well within that category. |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2998
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Posted - 2016.09.11 15:02:44 -
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Why doesn't hitting Enter enter my password in the launcher?
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Vasili Zaitsez
Malleus Clusores Brothers of Tangra
7
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Posted - 2016.09.11 16:26:41 -
[234] - Quote
Tsukino Stareine
It seems that you have a considerable amount of Network Engineering knowledge and skill. While I am not as skilled as you appear to be, I am able to follow your comments. You may well be in a niche minority within this community. The advanced skills you demonstrate, the vast majority of this group does not seem to have. I mean no offense to anyone here.
Suggesting that persons access and configure or even "...get a better router!" implies that your audience is as proficient both technically and financially as you seem to be. That does not appear to be the case.
Wether players have the skills or not, we as the end user/consumer should not have to make fixes to accommodate a product or service we purchase (or subscribe to). We deserve a complete and working product. It is in CCPs best financial interest to provide and maintain a working product and maintain at least a generation of legacy compatibility to bring existing clients along.
Issues here are an array of legacy problems, configuration problems, hardware inadequacies and others. With no exe file as an alternate entry, those who are experiencing launcher problems will simply be shut out of the game during times of launcher failure.
I don't imagine it will take very many launcher failures to cause un-subbing.
I personally am very fortunate to have a mid level computer system, a fiber connection and almost no problems with the launcher. I will easily be able to continue this game. As it turns out, most of my corp is having success with the launcher too.
I think it is critical to the health of EvE to bring along as many as possible. Deleting the exe file now will simply exclude many from playing.
Thank you for sharing your experience and advice with us. Those who have skills comparable to you can capitalize on the information you provide.
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warbds
Stoli Holdings
14
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:03:20 -
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I hope you make it possible to run 2 launchers otherwise I will get the downloads of 10Gb each time one of my nephews plays on my pc.
That works as follows each of them has an account.
They can't do anything on my disks (just enough rights to be able to log in) The each have a disk with an installation of EVE on it full rights there. This disk they can take them with them when they go home and they do. On one of my disks I have a double installation of EVE works better as a single instalation still does!! When I log into Eve and a disk is or was inserted in my pc, I will get a 10 Gb or more download.
Why well simple the launcher thinks it needs to reconfigure after they logged in because of the shared ******* cache . No they will not get more rights!
I even play Eve or any other game with limmited rights. I can only see that game dir and a few other folders.
If not well I will end my subsription. No none will hget my stuff |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1830
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:11:05 -
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There is an art to being passive aggressive and you sir have yet much to learn in its ways.
The 'get a better router!' I thought was clearly a joke, I do in fact work with Cisco routers on a daily basis and while not an expert can definitely tell you that most if not all have some kind of QoS functionality available to them. I only responded in such a way to one particular person because Mr CCNA stepped up to the plate. Of course I would not ask a regular person to crack into firmware of a router.
As to the rest of your post, I reiterate: CCP has no obligation to continue to support legacy and fringe systems. It does not make economic sense. They in fact have done more to make this game compatible than any other company I have ever had the misfortune to part my money with. Most companies just update their minimum requirements and tell you to shove it.
Keeping your equipment functioning and up to date is your OWN responsibility, can you seriously ask developers to somehow cover the situation where someone has not updated their video drivers in over a year in their coding? Of course not. The developers have an outstanding amount of resources available to them to cover as much as they possibly can, but it's not going to catch everyone. That's just cold harsh truth.
While I agree with you that having as many people able to log in to the game as possible is a good thing, you have failed to see the other side of this which is the fact that to even keep this game alive you need to be efficient with how you distribute your resources. Having tech support pick up tons of service tickets all about problems on decade old machines and unofficial ways of logging on is a waste of time and money in the long term.
Standardising platforms allows huge cost savings which can be then diverted into other MUCH more important areas of the game, like more content and improving the interface or CREST or any number of things that will make the game much better without being shackled to a 3rd party multi boxing program that CCP neither has control or influence on.
All in all I think people having problems with their launcher, most of it is PEBKAC with a few genuine instances where something may be up. |
enotsmirb
Ezekiel 25 17
5
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:14:22 -
[237] - Quote
[quote=Tsukino Stareine]I don't thong th-thong thong thong no but I know a router with no QoS functionality is a bad router
Or maybe you just don't know how to configure it. Probably more likely if it cost that much.
It does have QoS functionality you bone head it's a Cisco ENTERPRISE ROUTER! For Bob's sake you just don't get that setting up Qos on a single client home network with enterprise equipment is like going squirrel (small rodent like mammal) hunting with a Lahti L-39 (anti-tank gun).
I don't know how to configure it? 17 years ass hat, 17 years....
This has been so much fun. +1 to get rid of the 100% fully functional stable tried and tested decade old launcher because Qos. (sarcasm) |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:28:10 -
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I wasn't suggesting anyone else do that, just you because you're capable of it.
Also that QoS sure would have helped you not lose that billion isk whatever right ;)?
Maybe that squirrel is secretly a cyborg and that anti tank gun might not be such a bad idea
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enotsmirb
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:37:25 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:There is an art to being passive aggressive and you sir have yet much to learn in its ways.
The 'get a better router!' I thought was clearly a joke, I do in fact work with Cisco routers on a daily basis and while not an expert can definitely tell you that most if not all have some kind of QoS functionality available to them. I only responded in such a way to one particular person because Mr CCNA stepped up to the plate. Of course I would not ask a regular person to crack into firmware of a router.
As to the rest of your post, I reiterate: CCP has no obligation to continue to support legacy and fringe systems. It does not make economic sense. They in fact have done more to make this game compatible than any other company I have ever had the misfortune to part my money with. Most companies just update their minimum requirements and tell you to shove it.
Keeping your equipment functioning and up to date is your OWN responsibility, can you seriously ask developers to somehow cover the situation where someone has not updated their video drivers in over a year in their coding? Of course not. The developers have an outstanding amount of resources available to them to cover as much as they possibly can, but it's not going to catch everyone. That's just cold harsh truth.
While I agree with you that having as many people able to log in to the game as possible is a good thing, you have failed to see the other side of this which is the fact that to even keep this game alive you need to be efficient with how you distribute your resources. Having tech support pick up tons of service tickets all about problems on decade old machines and unofficial ways of logging on is a waste of time and money in the long term.
Standardising platforms allows huge cost savings which can be then diverted into other MUCH more important areas of the game, like more content and improving the interface or CREST or any number of things that will make the game much better without being shackled to a 3rd party multi boxing program that CCP neither has control or influence on.
All in all I think people having problems with their launcher, most of it is PEBKAC with a few genuine instances where something may be up.
LOL You wouldn't even know how to log in to a cisco router back pedler.
"Mr CCNA stepped up to the plate". It was my plate (post) that you stepped up to if I remember right? I'm not a CCNA.
"Keeping your equipment functioning and up to date is your OWN responsibility." Except the issue is the software launcher not the equipment until you decided it was."
"Standardising platforms allows huge cost savings which can be then diverted into other MUCH more important areas blah blah blah." you sure like the tell everyone how important stuffs works.
"All in all I think people having problems with their launcher, most of it is PEBKAC with a few genuine instances where something may be up." oh so just a few instances are genuine... glad you could take the time to diagnose them.
Somebody take my keyboard from me....
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Sabai Sukarala
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.11 17:47:52 -
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Cool this means its time to quit to eve once and for all. Bye 13 accounts and I dont even have to wait for the next ****** up game breaking patch in November.
On to the next game. |
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