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Bubba Freedom
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.03 11:03:49 -
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It isn't taking a core part out where it really matters, other than to people that get thier kicks shooting people without a chance of fighting back. When I go to low I expect a fight. Usually I go there either to fight or to mine and mess with the people in there. Usually end up ticking them off and getting the exit camped lol. However, it's called high sec for a reason. CCP initially thought groups like code wouldn't stay long because players would kill them off. They use the response time loophole now to go in kill a 30 million isk miner, or pile a billion isk frieghter, or kill mission runners that are half dead coming back, and get away with it. The system broke somewhere along the way to where that works. I'm not saying it's bad, just that it's being abused in a way that it was never meant for. When something is abused to the degree that it is now, maybe we should have a constructive rethink of the system in general. As players we could band together and kill them out of game (my personal preference), or adjust the mechanic to make it not possible to improve player retention. Looking at people that quit within two weeks is the ultimate in numbers fixing to get the result CCP wanted to say ganking was not an issue. I hate to say it, but going f2p will not fix the player shortage unless the high sec pvp mechanics are also adjusted. Ya it sucks, I love suicide ganking bounties. Probably not going to be successful at it for a bit, but still fun. They have a price on them and should expect it to happen lol. However I'm willing to not do it if it improves overall gameplay. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4722
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Posted - 2016.09.03 11:42:18 -
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You know concord used to be tankable, right?
Ganking has eaten nerf after nerf after nerf. When was the last time it was actually buffed?
Why should you be able to fly 100bil in shiny toys in a completely untanked freighter, on autopilot, while you're AFK and not face any kind of consequence for your actions? Why should I be able to use my out of corp alt to haul that 100bil from Jita to where my JF lives, and just jump to Delve?
What makes you think the people who supposedly quit after getting ganked were ever actually going to stick around in the first place? This is a full loot PVP game. If they can't handle being killed in a pvp game, they aren't going to keep playing the pvp game for very long, are they.
The way to keep people in the game is to engage with them. To encourage them to interact with other players, to join player corps, and, y'know, play the game. Wrapping them in cotton wool doesn't exactly help with that. Removing highsec pvp doesn't help with that. Encouraging them to LEAVE highsec does, incidentally.
Ganking is easy to avoid if you can be bothered to put in even the slightest little bit of effort. Red frog has what, a 95% success rate? |
Tragot Gomndor
Khanid's Damnation
82
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Posted - 2016.09.03 11:49:08 -
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OMG so many walls of text, over the same stuff.
Ganking is completly FINE. There is no issue.
NONONONONONO
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CAPS IN HIGHSEC
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3490
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Posted - 2016.09.03 11:49:11 -
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It's a pvp sandbox. You can be shot any where any time and the game was doing better when that was easier to do.
As others have said, carebear is not an activity, its an attitude where you think you should be allowed to be safe in a game that's deliberately designed to be un-safe. I pve and do industry, a lot, but i appreciate and enjoy the risk this game provides, even in hi-sec. You think ganking is killing the game but a lot of time was spent trying to validate that 'myth' and it turned out the opposite was true. What makes you think CCP though gankers wouldn't stick around?
You're obvioulsy very new to eve or have been living under a rock. Non-consensual pvp is a core part of eve whether you like it or not. The game is designed around it and the allowance of ganking is very deliberate. Some of your posts have even already been answered by devs:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4958992#post4958992
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4964171#post4964171
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4964192#post4964192
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6341716#post6341716
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Bubba Freedom
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.03 11:58:12 -
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You're using posts from two years ago, when granted it was a rarity, dotlan will tell you however it's common enough now to be an actual issue worth revisiting. Be it a shift in player ideals (not likely) or something the devs finally do, it needs to be addressed in current form. Doing surveys of players just starting and then quitting before they really get into it is useless to tell why the amount of established players are leaving. By the way auto routing frieghters already has time consequences. I wouldn't autoroute one if it was safe, it would take too long. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3491
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Posted - 2016.09.03 12:13:51 -
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That survey is already done now, but for all players.
2 years is not a long time in this game and its development. It also WAS NOT rare to be ganked two years ago it was actually closer to when code and mini luv were in their primes and freighter ganking was getting a lot of attention. You've just shown how out of touch with this game you really are. Ganking two years ago was less than it was before then but ganking happens less now than ever before.
Just another carebear that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
481
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Posted - 2016.09.03 12:20:32 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4972885#post4972885
EVE never was supposed to be a carebear heaven. You either have the guts to stay alive, or you can curl up and whimper in the corner. EVE, unlike WoW, was never designed to be a game for the masses. It's a niche game and it's perfectly fine if it doesn't fit you. There are enough other games available that are more suitable for your playstyle.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12927
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Posted - 2016.09.03 12:29:46 -
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Bubba Freedom wrote:I actually have a good understanding of the game.
You do not have a good understanding of proper formatting in general, and paragraphing in specific.
You also do not have as a good understanding of the game as you claim, for if you did you would realise that what befell you was entirely your fault and entirely preventable.
You have only yourself to blame.
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Lugia3
Tri-gun Escalating Entropy
1521
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Posted - 2016.09.03 13:06:22 -
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This is a thread of the ages.
"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
974
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Posted - 2016.09.03 16:14:21 -
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Scanned but did not read the entire topic.
First thing ganking was never an intended game play option even CCP admits it, they have accepted it as a form of emergent game play and as such it will likely be with us for a very long time.
Dolorous Tremmens wrote:If you are mining you can buy protection in the form of not being attacked by certain groups. Now you mention the f2p, that is to bring more people in to witness and take part in mindless violence, or get savvy enough to enjoy the escape and the chase. It is the taste of real risk that sells the game. The free to play aspect is really just an extended trial to help people understand this. I can say that CCP is putting limited F2P in the game for players to experience the industrial side of the game and I am just as accurate as you. CCP is implementing limited F2P so people can experience ALL that EvE has to offer not just one small segment of it. To be honest with you the F2P is going to be a failure and those who pray on the new players are going to be the primary reason for it..
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Wimzy Chent-Shi
Unkindness Incorporated Who Dares Wins.
87
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Posted - 2016.09.03 16:26:53 -
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I thought carebears can afford to plex sub, what do they pay for then? If you fly 6 bil thing in highsec, someone finds out and it isn't foolproof tanked, you are gonna have a bad time.
On other hand I agree that there is no real defense against HS ganking:
What is the person who knows he is getting ganked to do? For instance imagine you fly a marauder for missions (yes 60+ days training wasted cause tengu does it better etc.) so your ship is at least a bil.
Do you dock up 4ever? Set up a not so shiny bait? Hire an army of ECM peeps to keep you safe once you are potentially alphaed faster than an ewar would tick?
Still you are going to die, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it, and that feeling of inevitability is strange, ofc if they do not overwhelm you, you win. great, but since the numbers are not going to be issue especially post F2P I mean, you can only make them lose more, but you will still lose out in the end if you break.
Make a newbro foundation started @ here
Let us help those newbros that can not PLEX themselves.
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Solecist Project
32871
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Posted - 2016.09.03 16:35:38 -
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Wimzy Chent-Shi wrote:Still you are going to die, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it This is called "Life" and EVE ONLINE mimics it thoroughly.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn End of Life
328
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Posted - 2016.09.03 17:07:23 -
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Sounds like the OP needs to join one of the noob friendly alliances to properly learn the game
ganking is an integral part of the game.
knowing how to survive it is a must.
1. dont fly what you cant afford to lose 2. if in null sec have many jump clones so if hell camped just jump clone out and carry on with your business 3. if joining a corp in null use the intel channels and always keep local open in a seperate window
Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2016.09.03 17:19:06 -
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I'm simultaneously impressed and saddened at how many people fell for this bait thread |
Solecist Project
32874
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Posted - 2016.09.03 17:38:06 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:I'm simultaneously impressed and saddened at how many people fell for this bait thread Why do you think it is?
I'm curious. I'm not spotting any of the usual things. It seems thorough from top to bottom.
What gave it away?
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
103
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Posted - 2016.09.03 18:02:39 -
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Bubba Freedom wrote:I see no reason why a player that wants to run missions in high should be ganked. 1. Because usually mission runners have loads of juicy faction/deadspace/officer mods, which means mad money if they drop. 2. Because it's fun. There you go, 2 reasons right there.
Bubba Freedom wrote:Came back to game a couple months ago and have lost 6 billion isk to high sec idiots/ null sec trolls. If they're idiots then how did you die to them? Why didn't you just outsmart them? As for the nullsec 'trolls' if you go into nullsec of course you're going to be shot at.
Bubba Freedom wrote:If a new player can't do anything in either place, then even going free to play is not going to stop the bleed of players. The community is not policing itself as originally intended. Newbies aren't really worth ganking. It's not like you're permanently banned from any space just because there are gankers there, just git gud and tank your ship and maintain situational awareness. Newbies will either learn this or die.
Bubba Freedom wrote:If we're going to go free to play, why not add a pve only option finally. Safety could be expanded to make it so that players with a green safety can't be locked by other players not at war with them. This might be one of the best things if implemented to bring players back. Could make it a subscription only option and make it even more worth it to subscribe to the game. Get out.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Bubba Freedom
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.03 18:26:27 -
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Wimzy Chent-Shi wrote:I thought carebears can afford to plex sub, what do they pay for then? If you fly 6 bil thing in highsec, someone finds out and it isn't foolproof tanked, you are gonna have a bad time.
On other hand I agree that there is no real defense against HS ganking:
What is the person who knows he is getting ganked to do? For instance imagine you fly a marauder for missions (yes 60+ days training wasted cause tengu does it better etc.) so your ship is at least a bil.
Do you dock up 4ever? Set up a not so shiny bait? Hire an army of ECM peeps to keep you safe once you are potentially alphaed faster than an ewar would tick?
Still you are going to die, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it, and that feeling of inevitability is strange, ofc if they do not overwhelm you, you win. great, but since the numbers are not going to be issue especially post F2P I mean, you can only make them lose more, but you will still lose out in the end if you break.
that is what i'm talking about. Actually no I'd rather be out fighting them. The only reason this became a bait thread was because no one could have the maturity to address it with other than it's your fault. Yes there are things you can do to avoid ganks, I do them all, ask the guy that spent two hours hunting me in low yesterday, the issue is in high, and the fact that the way people have addressed this thread just goes to show how much of an issue it is. Yes you can sneak up and kill the high sec mission runner or miner, but it's high sec, and you are just showing how much of a douche you are when you do it, not to mention players can't play when they are losing ships left and right for no reason other than you want to get your kicks. This is the player attitude that needs to change. I don't fly T2 ships, they would make my life easier, can't afford them due to recent losses/covering other new player's losses. As stated before, other than someone getting their kicks killing someone because they can, there is no reason for high sec ganking other than war, and then that's war and expected. I do however appreciate the few constructive elements that have tried to address the issue. I even appreciate the gankers that have come out, as much nonconstructive and showing your douche side as you've done. |
Solecist Project
32875
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Posted - 2016.09.03 18:36:09 -
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Players aren't losing ships to gankers left and right.
Your opinion about the reasons why others gank are irrelevant ... ... as it's not your business, and ... ... if you can't come up with any, then you should ask yourself WHY ... ... because others can and they are actually nicer people than you.
You are not a good person. Gankers aren't all bad people.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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FT Cold
R3d Fire Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
80
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Posted - 2016.09.03 19:21:26 -
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Ganking has taken a lot of nerfs over the years. Players have gotten a lot of new tools and much better learned to cope with ganking. I think its time to give it a buff, slightly increase concord response time (maybe 25%) to offset the EHP buff all ships got because of the structure resist change and re-institute insurance payoffs for ganking ships. Make highsec interesting. Also, allow players to wardec other players directly, so that hiding in NPC corps is no longer possible. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
374
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Posted - 2016.09.03 20:28:39 -
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EVE is a scary place. It would be incredibly boring if it weren't a scary place.
A signature :o
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
510
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Posted - 2016.09.04 05:10:44 -
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I haven't seen a lot of the anti-ganking crowd in this thread, except SP and I always suspect she is just trolling us but the OP is the reason we exist. Exterminating people like him is the exact reason the New Order was formed and also the exact reason we still are laboring out in the gank fields as they seem to be infinite in number.
The OP and his kind will kill Eve. Even our erstwhile opponents can see that. You may not like us but consider the alternative.
Kill all the carebears. Repeatedly and without mercy.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2987
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Posted - 2016.09.04 05:33:34 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:I'm simultaneously impressed and saddened at how many people fell for this bait thread
Many of us have nothing better to do
Citadel worm hole tax
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Jasmine Deer
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.04 06:50:26 -
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Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:Bubba Freedom wrote:The community is not policing itself as intended. Doesn't that mean this is your fault?
You think with all the mind-numbing high sec isk grinding I have to go through every month in order to earn a Plex to have another free month of pointless gameplay I actually have time to engage in community policing? Sheesh. |
Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2442
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Posted - 2016.09.04 08:01:59 -
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You do not need to stop high sec ganking rather you need it to have some drawbacks. It currently does not.
When freighters came out you needed about 100 battleships to kill one. Thats 10 billion in hulls and fit at the time (battleships were much cheaper hulls).
Now you only need a 30 destroyers at about 300 mill.
When you suicided the frieghter you got a massive hit and grinding it up was not hard but a lot harder than it is now.
So all in all it was not worth doing except where the ship was carrying very valuable loot. That was called balance.
If you do a search of Baltec1s killboard, the last time he ganked with Goons they killed 16 ships, of those 16 14 were freighters and of those 14 13 were empty.
Thats what you called imbalanced. When its worthwhile to gank empty freighters for lols.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2988
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Posted - 2016.09.04 08:27:05 -
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amazingly with a bit of logi and a booster if you do fail and get caught you can still make it take an amazing number of ABC in order to kill your freighter through the reps before concord shows. (ofc again you should not even be getting caught)
oh i forgot freighters are the capital that shouldn't need support silly me
Citadel worm hole tax
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2768
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Posted - 2016.09.04 08:48:06 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:I just trow in some blatant lies here to provoke a reaction Well done, you should become a politician.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2442
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Posted - 2016.09.04 09:42:33 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:I just trow in some blatant lies here to provoke a reaction Well done, you should become a politician. Lol when I get home ill link the thread discussing ganking the first freighter.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Carela Loki
Gang Bang Pandas Snuffed Out
0
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Posted - 2016.09.04 11:20:55 -
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simple answer: no
reason: because it would break eve |
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Taladi Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.04 12:22:21 -
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Did the original poster create 3 new accounts to give himself 3 thumbs up?
"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath
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Dornier Pfeil
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2016.09.04 17:30:59 -
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Bubba Freedom wrote:I see no reason why a player that wants to run missions in high should be ganked. Came back to game a couple months ago and have lost 6 billion isk to high sec idiots/ null sec trolls. If a new player can't do anything in either place, then even going free to play is not going to stop the bleed of players. The community is not policing itself as originally intended. If we're going to go free to play, why not add a pve only option finally. Safety could be expanded to make it so that players with a green safety can't be locked by other players not at war with them. This might be one of the best things if implemented to bring players back. Could make it a subscription only option and make it even more worth it to subscribe to the game.
There is a game out there exactly like what you want. Why did you choose to play EvE instead? Now that I've shown you that other game, why would you continue to play EvE. If you stay now, with forethought, then you are default choosing ganking over safety. Live with it. |
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