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Dor Cadmon
New Artisian and Mercenary Association
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Posted - 2016.08.30 17:05:45 -
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It is clear you are on a not-so-secret war against the AFK yet you continue to allow cloaky camping to occur.
I propose that its time to consider requiring interaction from the AFK cloaker. If someone wants to sit there all day in a cloaked ship and interact with the game client let them. If they want to cloak up and go afk , only to return when THEY are ready then I think such a thing should have diminshing returns.
Make cloaked ships require stront to maintain the cloak. Make the cloaking device require a very small amount of fuel for the first cycle but require progressively more fuel for each [interval] that the ship remains cloaked.
Remove the penality if the ship remains decloaked for a specific period of time. |
Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
616
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Posted - 2016.08.30 17:19:22 -
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Nah.....
I mean seriously, at least try to propose something balanced. Good luck carrying stront and bombs stealth bombers doing legit stealth bombery things....
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
1073
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Posted - 2016.08.30 17:22:37 -
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Dor Cadmon wrote:It is clear you are on a not-so-secret war against the AFK yet you continue to allow cloaky camping to occur.
I propose that its time to consider requiring interaction from the AFK cloaker. If someone wants to sit there all day in a cloaked ship and interact with the game client let them. If they want to cloak up and go afk , only to return when THEY are ready then I think such a thing should have diminshing returns.
Make cloaked ships require stront to maintain the cloak. Make the cloaking device require a very small amount of fuel for the first cycle but require progressively more fuel for each [interval] that the ship remains cloaked.
Remove the penality if the ship remains decloaked for a specific period of time.
A)This belongs in the official thread of AFK cloaking.
B)This is the wrong way to do it. This means that every legitimate cloaking ship needs to haul around tons of stront. Every explorer now is encumbered, every gate camp falcon now needs a bay full, and every sucker punching cloaked rapier with a gang needs it too. It's a bad way to do it. If you are going to do it, make the cloaks take heat damage every hour. Problem solved.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
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Jess Mikakka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.08.30 17:22:41 -
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Some other ice product than stront, and add a fuel bay to cloaky ships? That solves the problems mentioned so far. |
FT Cold
R3d Fire Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
71
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Posted - 2016.08.30 17:25:37 -
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Get rid of local and we'll have an even trade. |
Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
616
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Posted - 2016.08.30 17:26:10 -
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Have a bigger hammer than the cloaky camper, or don't give the cloaky camper an opportunity. Seems like that solves all the cloaky camper problems.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
1073
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Posted - 2016.08.30 17:26:18 -
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Jess Mikakka wrote:Some other ice product than stront, and add a fuel bay to cloaky ships? That solves the problems mentioned so far.
Also, anyone who proposes a solution to AFK cloaking implicitly believes it is a problem.
Until they solve the issue of local being a completely broken mechanic for supposedly dangerous space, AFK cloaking is really among the only tools the antagonists have.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2260
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Posted - 2016.08.30 18:11:18 -
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It is time to start handing out 1 month forum bans for OPs who make a new thread instead of using the existing one.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4709
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Posted - 2016.08.30 18:18:33 -
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OP, first you have to explain how a player who isn't at the keyboard is even remotely capable of harming you in any way. |
Dor Cadmon
New Artisian and Mercenary Association
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:14:05 -
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Danika Princip wrote:OP, first you have to explain how a player who isn't at the keyboard is even remotely capable of harming you in any way.
the same way you would for on grid rorqs. |
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4710
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Posted - 2016.08.30 20:54:23 -
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Dor Cadmon wrote:Danika Princip wrote:OP, first you have to explain how a player who isn't at the keyboard is even remotely capable of harming you in any way. the same way you would for on grid rorqs.
...What does that even mean?
Please explain how an AFK character is a threat. Use sock puppets if it's easier for you. |
Solecist Project
32725
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Posted - 2016.08.30 21:48:39 -
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This issue will be addressed through future structures you can google about.
Ha, I ended the thread before Ralph beat me to it!
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
617
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Posted - 2016.08.30 21:54:52 -
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Solecist Project wrote:This issue will be addressed through future structures you can google about.
Ha, I ended the thread before Ralph beat me to it!
Oh you just wait. Ralph will come in like the wrecking ball he is. Also your new outfit every day is confusing me.
Soon*TM on those structures BTW
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3480
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Posted - 2016.08.31 00:25:55 -
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We've had stronger indications from CCP that local would be nerfed than cloaking, yet that still occurs too.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Ben Ishikela
78
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Posted - 2016.08.31 01:01:37 -
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I like the Heat damage. On the other hand, i like the requirement for Ice Ressources to get the industry going a bit. If its not stront but another form of ice thats only found in the shatteredWHsystems. That might spike a new expeditionary flame.
Ideas are like Seeds. I'd chop fullgrown trees to start a fire.
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Wimzy Chent-Shi
Unkindness Incorporated Who Dares Wins.
72
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Posted - 2016.08.31 07:49:40 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Dor Cadmon wrote:Danika Princip wrote:OP, first you have to explain how a player who isn't at the keyboard is even remotely capable of harming you in any way. the same way you would for on grid rorqs. ...What does that even mean? Please explain how an AFK character is a threat. Use sock puppets if it's easier for you. Unrelated but i'll bite: Couple kills prove that a semi disabled t3d pilot can find himself threatened by an afk ratting vni. Related: Drop the local already people only spam in it anyway. (yey server load heh...)
Make a newbro foundation started @ here
Let us help those newbros that can not PLEX themselves.
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Caleb Seremshur
Black Scorpions Inc Infensus
844
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Posted - 2016.08.31 07:59:29 -
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FT Cold wrote:Get rid of local and we'll have an even trade.
Local will disappear.. for the invader. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
679
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Posted - 2016.08.31 08:01:29 -
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This is the thread you're looking for. |
Brown Pathfinder
Its a good day to die
11
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Posted - 2016.08.31 09:19:06 -
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As a wormhole player I think this is a very bad idea, its worse than the have to click a button every 30 mins to keep the cloak online players... |
Kalido Raddi
Echelon Research The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2016.08.31 10:11:21 -
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Danika Princip wrote:OP, first you have to explain how a player who isn't at the keyboard is even remotely capable of harming you in any way. Players in Eve are risk averse. Cloaky AFK camping is a tactic explicitly designed to increase the perceived risk. By being AFK for many hours and then returning to the keyboard and making a strike, the camper creates the illusion that a strike could happen at any time.
The objective of this is to prevent use of the target system, causing ADMs to fall and thereby making the system a softer target in Sov warfare.
That's a succinct explanation of the objective of AFK cloaky camping. |
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
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Posted - 2016.08.31 12:55:25 -
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OP: "I AM A NULLBEAR WORMHOLE SPACE HAS NOTHING THERE PLEASE CCP ONLY FOCUS ON DEVELOPING GAMEPLAY FOR WHERE I LIVE"
P-NXT is recruiting
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
970
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:01:04 -
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Oh looky here we all found another afk cloaked topic about afk cloakers. All the usual pros and cons to this idea I am going unusual for mine. Grow some stones and simply deal with it., everyone complains about the risk averse carebear high sec players and yet they deal with what in a practical sense is AFK cloakers evey minute of every game session. Local channels that can hold 25 to 30 or more characters all of them uniformly colored coded white to make identification of hostile entities extremely easy. No intel channels to aid with detection or warnings about potential hostiles and the list goes on. And yet you high and mighty nul sec players complain about a simple afk cloaker you know that one who stands out like a big red neon sign in your local that may hold 4 or 5 characters.
-1 to your extremely poor idea.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4712
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:58:59 -
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Kalido Raddi wrote:Danika Princip wrote:OP, first you have to explain how a player who isn't at the keyboard is even remotely capable of harming you in any way. Players in Eve are risk averse. Cloaky AFK camping is a tactic explicitly designed to increase the perceived risk. By being AFK for many hours and then returning to the keyboard and making a strike, the camper creates the illusion that a strike could happen at any time. The objective of this is to prevent use of the target system, causing ADMs to fall and thereby making the system a softer target in Sov warfare. That's a succinct explanation of the objective of AFK cloaky camping.
I am well aware of what the objective of an AFK cloaker is.
I am still waiting for the explanation of how an empty chair is a threat to anyone, with the exception of trying to gank an AFK drone boat while eating lead paint chips. |
Lugia3
Tri-gun Escalating Entropy
1515
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:05:20 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Kalido Raddi wrote:Danika Princip wrote:OP, first you have to explain how a player who isn't at the keyboard is even remotely capable of harming you in any way. Players in Eve are risk averse. Cloaky AFK camping is a tactic explicitly designed to increase the perceived risk. By being AFK for many hours and then returning to the keyboard and making a strike, the camper creates the illusion that a strike could happen at any time. The objective of this is to prevent use of the target system, causing ADMs to fall and thereby making the system a softer target in Sov warfare. That's a succinct explanation of the objective of AFK cloaky camping. I am well aware of what the objective of an AFK cloaker is. I am still waiting for the explanation of how an empty chair is a threat to anyone, with the exception of trying to gank an AFK drone boat while eating lead paint chips.
He just explained it. Remove your space-badass earplugs.
"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4712
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:23:15 -
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No he didn't, he told me that the OP is scared. Which I know.
The OP is scared of an empty chair. The empty chair is not a threat to him in any way, shape or form. The only thing that is affecting his gameplay is his own fear. The AFK cloaker cannot, by definition, do anything to him whatsoever.
Please explain how an empty chair is going to kill your ship. |
Angry Onions
Pathway to the Next
252
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:48:09 -
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Dor Cadmon wrote:It is clear you are on a not-so-secret war against the AFK yet you continue to allow cloaky camping to occur.
I propose that its time to consider requiring interaction from the AFK cloaker. If someone wants to sit there all day in a cloaked ship and interact with the game client let them. If they want to cloak up and go afk , only to return when THEY are ready then I think such a thing should have diminshing returns.
Make cloaked ships require stront to maintain the cloak. Make the cloaking device require a very small amount of fuel for the first cycle but require progressively more fuel for each [interval] that the ship remains cloaked.
Remove the penality if the ship remains decloaked for a specific period of time.
RIP people that actually use cloaks for hunting.
S H I T P O S T I N G
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Lugia3
Tri-gun Escalating Entropy
1516
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:53:39 -
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You don't know if the chair is empty or not. The operator can come back at anytime.
There are 2 counters to this:
1. Keep a defense fleet on standby 24/7. A dozen active pilots ready to go at a moments notice. The time and effort used in this counter is exponentially greater than the effort used by the afk cloaker.
or
2. Not use the system.
As Eve is a game and not Space-Navy Simulator 2003, nobody will opt for option one.
"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4713
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Posted - 2016.08.31 20:56:53 -
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You forgot my personal favourite, option 3:
ignore them entirely. RIGHT NOW I am flying an industrial around in a nullsec system with a known covops cyno alt in local! Shocking, isn't it?
Or option 4:
Do some research, figure out their usual active times, and do your stuff when they're not around
Or even option 5:
Fit your pve ship to not be worthless in pvp
Edit: Or, y'know, do your ratting in a standing fleet with the rest of your alliance's ratters/miners, so if someone egts dropped you can help out...
There are plenty of options that don't involve crying on the forums about the PVP prowess of an empty chair. |
Kalido Raddi
Echelon Research The Volition Cult
38
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Posted - 2016.08.31 22:38:32 -
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Danika Princip wrote:No he didn't, he told me that the OP is scared. Which I know.
The OP is scared of an empty chair. The empty chair is not a threat to him in any way, shape or form. The only thing that is affecting his gameplay is his own fear. The AFK cloaker cannot, by definition, do anything to him whatsoever.
Please explain how an empty chair is going to kill your ship. Not all threats take the form of immediate destruction of a vessel. The threat in this case lies in Sov warfare. Everyone understands this - including the people who cloaky camp as part of Sov Warfare.
Even, I suspect, including you.
Specifically, the threat here isn't in terms of destruction of a vessel - although that is frequently a side effect when a cloaky camper returns to keyboard and finds people have gotten blase about their presence (it being obvious there is no way for the defender to distinguish between an AFK camper and one who is there).
The threat is to the Sovereignty of a Star System. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
828
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Posted - 2016.09.01 11:03:07 -
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Here, let the door hit you on the way out... |
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