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kisu tei
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: kisu tei on 15/03/2007 21:34:02 priveteers = greifers. if i was ccp/dev/gm i would do something about it. they are ruining the game for alot of people. if you want to blow somebody up wherever you go go play an FPS. eve really isnt the place to do this (except in 0.0 space) yes empire is only ment to be "safer" not safe. however i used to use empire as a holiday from 0.0.
yes look at my sig. this is an alt. and for good reasons im going to hide behind it as i dont want to **** of my fellow allience members.
just becuse its the priveteers "birthday/foundingday" does not mean you have to be a greifer
priveteers are ruining the game for alot of people who just want to play eve for fun.
i hope ccp screw over the ability to make multiple wardeccs soon. as this is just ridiculus. ----------------------------------------------- Kisu Tei is a sub Alt. Kisu Tei protects the identity of Kisu Tei's Main. however Kisu Tei is used for other purposes too. threat level. easy pickin |
Sgt Napalm
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:38:00 -
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no
/thread --- [Video] Skool of Harpy - Da Blarpy |
MasterEnt
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:41:00 -
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yes
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Holocost
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: kisu tei Edited by: kisu tei on 15/03/2007 21:34:02 if i was ccp/dev/gm i would do something about it.
good thing your not then!
I like being able to do mulitple war decs. keep it going. what else am I supposed to do if one corp sits in station all day?
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Dr Longfingers
Amarr Warrior Nation United
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:42:00 -
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Alls fine, join an NPC corp if you don't want to participate in wars. Nuff said. *butseks* |
Qolde
Minmatar Rising Knights SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:42:00 -
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As much as I would like to carebear it up in empire while having a nice alliance chat, I can't help but think why someone didn't do the privateer thing sooner. It's genius. I think they have really brought out the meaning of this game. Sure, gate camping gank squads are teh lamo, but this is Eve! You're allowed to be lame.
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Ash Vincetti
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: kisu tei Edited by: kisu tei on 15/03/2007 21:34:02 however i used to use empire as a holiday from 0.0.
That, right there, is why Privateers exist. You use empire to sell all your 0,0 goods, and to "relax" from your alliance environment. Any empire based corp would be insta-ganked if they went to alliance space (with the exception of very few), as most "Sovereign alliance space" tends to have a heavy NBSI policy in order to "Protect" it's territory.
Privateers have simply flipped the coin and said "If you want to be safe in 0,0 and make it hostile for empire corps to do business in your area, then don't come to Empire expecting a vacation. It's just as dangerous here as it is back home for you".
So basically, you aren't safe on autopilot anymore. Whoop. God forbid you actually think while you are in empire. ----- /ash Fancy Sigs are for Fancy People |
Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:48:00 -
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<tinfoil>as soon as the devs see, their hulks don't find buyers anymore, we'll see a change</tinfoil>
but yeah - prvtr consists of grief corps abusing the alliance mechanisms in order to not have to fight each other
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Kasak Black
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:49:00 -
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I like having the Privateers around, it keeps me on my toes.
You don't like them because I imagine you die to them, or they infringe on your play style. You can either adapt or find another game.
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kisu tei
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:52:00 -
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who says my allience has been wardecced by them. i just think this is abuse of the system and should be concideerd as greifing. ----------------------------------------------- Kisu Tei is a sub Alt. Kisu Tei protects the identity of Kisu Tei's Main. however Kisu Tei is used for other purposes too. threat level. easy pickin |
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Wanoah
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Wanoah on 15/03/2007 21:51:03 Whatever their merits as players, I think it's great that something like Privateers exists. It's quite innovative thinking and worthy of Eve. It also adds some extra interest to shopping trips to Empire...
Frankly, I have had multiple Empire wars from the second I joined my alliance a year or so ago, so one more doesn't make much difference. Once you realise that there's no such thing as perfect safety in Eve, you can relax and get on with your life.
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Gift
Amarr Loot Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:54:00 -
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Adapt or Die, We have.
Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
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Qolde
Minmatar Rising Knights SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:55:00 -
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If your corp was big enough to get on their ****list, or if you ****ed off someone with 50m isk to spend for a weak of moderate grief, then you have enough power to deal with it. If they spend 50m isk to gank people who will be worth less than 50m a week to wardec, then they lose, plain and simple.
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Shiva Shane
Gallente Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:55:00 -
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Thank you for making the 237 thread on exactly the same topic in the past 60 days.
I feel much better now and can now view the forums in peace!
Did it ever occur to any of the people who post this inanity to use one of the previous 236 threads rather than starting a brand new one?
Mods: Can we please have a Privateers Cheat/exploit/suck/grief/etc thread stickied so we don't continually clutter the forums with this kind of stuff?
Please?
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Allen Deckard
Gallente WTB Supplies
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Posted - 2007.03.15 21:55:00 -
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if they limited the number of wars an alliance could declare then what would prevent the alliance from having a few alt corps dec on them preventing anyone from being able to declare back? Kentucky where the goats roam and the rednecks run free |
DiuxDium
Loot Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:00:00 -
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Welcome to eve.
Where pvp
Is not consentual, at all. ------------------------------------------
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:02:00 -
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War decs need redefining. Griefplay is not healthy for eVe. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 15/03/2007 22:01:07
Don't want to get "Griefed"? Don't join major carebear alliances. You have a choice, don't go whining to CCP because you're unable to make the right one. -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainfrane] |
Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:05:00 -
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The Privateers have really changed the game and made things different. I don't mind what they do for the most part. The only thing that bugs me about the Privateers is when they dec new players in 1st time corps.
New Players need safe space to learn in and make some starting ISK.
------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns!
Passive Drake For The Win |
xStormwingx
Caldari Children of Azathoth
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:11:00 -
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privateers = bloody awesome. About time hisec got interesting.
but...i'm rathers displeased by the amount of money they're pouring into it though. i mean, even if a few mil could be diverted my way i'd be a very very happy camper. They have billions and billions anyway~ -------
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Hasak Rain on 15/03/2007 22:13:38
Originally by: Dr Longfingers Alls fine, join an NPC corp if you don't want to participate in wars. Nuff said.
And if everyone did this, tards would cry about how NPC corps are "unfair" because they don't get taxed and the people in them can't be war deced.
Oh wait, they cry about that already...nevermind.
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kisu tei
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shiva Shane Thank you for making the 237 thread on exactly the same topic in the past 60 days.
your welcome.
privateers are abusing the allience system. i suggest that before an allience can wardeck someone they should have to have a minimum of 1 Large POS/starbase/control tower to centralise there operations.
as soon as this is lost this. they lose all ability to make wars. this making it so they actually have something to defend so they can keep there style of greifing. also limit there ammount of wardeccing overal. i think 25 alliences is a good healthy number but not to small and not to expensive
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Majin82 The Privateers have really changed the game and made things different. I don't mind what they do for the most part. The only thing that bugs me about the Privateers is when they dec new players in 1st time corps.
New Players need safe space to learn in and make some starting ISK.
The only way Privateers wardecs a new corp is if they're either paid to do so or said corp is a member of a major alliance. If you;ve ****ed someone off enough to make him cough up the expensive cost of the wardec to hire the privateers then youre not really all that much a new corp anymore anyway -----
[Coreli Corporation Mainfrane] |
Ashira Twilight
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Majin82 The Privateers have really changed the game and made things different. I don't mind what they do for the most part. The only thing that bugs me about the Privateers is when they dec new players in 1st time corps.
New Players need safe space to learn in and make some starting ISK.
The only way Privateers wardecs a new corp is if they're either paid to do so or said corp is a member of a major alliance. If you;ve ****ed someone off enough to make him cough up the expensive cost of the wardec to hire the privateers then youre not really all that much a new corp anymore anyway
They also like to dec the corps of pilots who steal loot from them.
I don't really see what all the fuss is about. Anybody with an alt in PA can tell you it's rare to see 40-50 people in their alliance chat, and I've NEVER seen a large group of them. They're typically 1-5 guys sitting on a gate watching neutral haulers go by(and probably making a list of corps/alliances of said neutrals).
I think what they're doing is really neato. ------------------------------- The opinions reflected in this post DO reflect the opinions of my corp...of one guy and a bunch of alts. |
Beetle Boy
Minmatar Hybrid Syndicate Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Beetle Boy on 15/03/2007 22:50:52 Edited by: Beetle Boy on 15/03/2007 22:50:30 We at Privateers thank you for comment on Limiting Wars but as you may have guess your getting a NO!. We are just lke any other allaince we are mercs that don't have to worrie about targets end of storie (spelling i know but im scottish i can spell if differelty) we also go into 0.0 just look at our killboard so all these people how say you don't go to 0.0 looked at our kb or stfu
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Anatolius
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: kisu tei if you want to blow somebody up wherever you go go play an FPS. eve really isnt the place to do this
Yes, yes it is. If that were not the case, the game's programming would prevent us from firing on other players. It does not.
Originally by: kisu tei (except in 0.0 space) yes empire is only ment to be "safer" not safe. however i used to use empire as a holiday from 0.0.
If you've actually been to 0.0, then you have a clue and know better than to AFK your hauler full of tech 2 goods about. You shouldn't do it regardless of a wardec with privateers or not - suicide attacks for the lose.
Originally by: kisu tei priveteers are ruining the game for alot of people who just want to play eve for fun.
Every facet of EVE inevitably is 'ruining the game' for someone.
"If God be for us, whom can be against us?" |
Arrow Jumpdrive
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Arrow Jumpdrive on 15/03/2007 23:19:00 ** DISCLAIMER: My opinions do not reflect the opinions of the Privateer alliance, its policies, its member corps, or even my own corp for that matter. The opinions I am expressing are MY own **
Wow, I see the slag flying now, we have really shaken up the wasps nest now. My turn to fire off a volley.
I see comments like "grief tactics", llama's, etc. etc. Bah, you wet diaper bunch of whiners.
The old vanguards attitude [ and still is ] is that Empire was a "safe haven, and 0.0 was the place to play. 0.0 "Was" the area to PvP, and you could come to empire for a holiday. Really, says who ?, the alliances that control those regions of space ?, the players who tried dictating to the rest of the EvE community that 0.0 is the only place to PvP ? Yup, thats who.
Fast forward to now, and now that a massive change has taken the EvE community back a few steps... the whiners are coming out of the woodwork. Why?...
The holiday is Over.
Welcome to the new EvE order.
EvE is a PvP based game [ hence the hi slots on your ships ] with the proof that the Dev's even created a way to hold your ship still, and keep it from warping. Why ?, so that players, corps, alliances could pound the tar out of you... thats why.
You dont like it ?. Tough. You dont want to PvP, and mine ? Join EvE university.
The new order is here, all of EvE is now [ and will continue to be ] a dangerous place. War is here, deal with it as you must.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.15 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: kisu tei if you want to blow somebody up wherever you go go play an FPS. eve really isnt the place to do this
Ha ha ha.
STFU noob, GBTW -
If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine. |
Lygos
Finis Actum
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:01:00 -
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What a whiner.
TBH, remove the wardec cap on normal corporations.
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Jade Imp
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:12:00 -
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War starts in about a half hour... should be fun.
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kisu tei
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:13:00 -
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my main and kisu tei havent actually been in +0.5 systems for a month now.
my main lives in 0.0 and currently i love playing with people in 0.0. last time i wnet down to empire was to get away from ratting all the time and do something a bit more storydriven by the game. (me is wishing for kali 3 to come very soon)
my alt. kisu tei. he just spends most of his time at compleate newb skill status and i mess about with him when im ether drunk or i want to act like a compleate lunitic and attack other people in low sec with frigates and other newb stuff. he is compleatly self sufficant and does not need any help finacial wise from my main. (note i only have 1 account) unlike other people who can PVP with there main and have 3 other accounts for mining hauling and selling.
i just dont like the idea how theses privateers are working and exploiting the allience system. if they had something that they had to defend so they can keep with there way of life like a POS network that can be physicly attacked so that other allinces can stop privateers being a threat for the eveverce then fair enough, but in its current state its just sucks. ----------------------------------------------- Kisu Tei is a sub Alt. Kisu Tei protects the identity of Kisu Tei's Main. however Kisu Tei is used for other purposes too. threat level. easy pickin |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: kisu tei i just dont like the idea how theses privateers are working and exploiting the allience system. if they had something that they had to defend so they can keep with there way of life like a POS network that can be physicly attacked so that other allinces can stop privateers being a threat for the eveverce then fair enough, but in its current state its just sucks.
It's NOT an exploit to wardec people en masse.
Like I said, GBTW. -
If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine. |
Shinoobie
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Arrow Jumpdrive
You dont like it ?. Tough. You dont want to PvP, and mine ? Join EvE university.
Wow, you must have a bad memory, or your just loosing track of all your wars.
Didn't you war dec these too?
The great PA, the next m0o, war decced a corp dedicated to helping NEW players learn how to play EVE and hopefully enjoy it? Just so you guys get a few newb ganks?
Wow, what big bad pirates you are!
I am not supporting the original poster, I just think that PA should continue what you are doing but have some respect for the newer players in the game.
You all newb once, how long did it take you to wander into lowsec?
IMHO, If I had been wardecced when I was a newb in my first corp, I wouldn't have continued playing.
PA - Get some ethics please. The idea is great, your implementation is not. ______________________________________________
I wish mods would leave my sig alone - Shinoobie |
kisu tei
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Like I said, GBTW.
sorry i forget, what does GBTW. i havent come acrose that term before today. i seen GTFOE and LOAGFY. but GBTW skips my mind ----------------------------------------------- Kisu Tei is a sub Alt. Kisu Tei protects the identity of Kisu Tei's Main. however Kisu Tei is used for other purposes too. threat level. easy pickin |
Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:29:00 -
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Someone should point out, again, that you choose to be in a player run corp that is open to being declared war apon. You also had the choice to not join a player corp, and remain in your NPC corp, and be immune.
If this interfers with your style of game play, then you clearly made the wrong choice, and CCP should not fix it so that you have the best of both world since it doesn't aggree with your version of how the game should be played.
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Tyd Drakken
CyberDyne Industries The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:34:00 -
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i my self am a griefer and i am glad they war decked the alli i am in , will be fun its been pretty boring for the last month or to
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: kisu tei
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Like I said, GBTW.
sorry i forget, what does GBTW. i havent come acrose that term before today. i seen GTFOE and LOAGFY. but GBTW skips my mind
Go Back To WoW. It has much better regulation of player interaction. I understand on certain servers you can avoid the horrors of interacting with other actual people altogether.
What do the other two stand for, out of curiosity? -
If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine. |
kisu tei
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth Someone should point out, again, that you choose to be in a player run corp that is open to being declared war apon. You also had the choice to not join a player corp, and remain in your NPC corp, and be immune.
whats the point in playing eve if all your going to do is sit in a NPC corp and twiddle your thumbs all day and talk to yourself. i knew someone who did that. he quit eve after a month after, he delared that he lost eve by getting boared.
Originally by: Lorth If this interfers with your style of game play, then you clearly made the wrong choice, and CCP should not fix it so that you have the best of both world since it doesn't aggree with your version of how the game should be played.
actually currently its not interfeering with MY gamestyle. my current gamestyle is flying though 0.0 with a full cargohold of the ritches of 0.0. and selling it of at the nearist lo sec station. after i do a bit of ratting of course. i just dont think that if i ever want to get backinto the storyline of eve (missions, learn how to do exploration without risk etc etc do a bit of relaxing mining while reading a book) do something thats entirly not PVP for a while.
however i guess 1 thing is good about this. any allience finding it hard to get there playerbase into 0.0 will find it easyer to shove them them up there if there alliences is war decced. more people in 0.0 to shoot. or well. less people in empire to shoot. :P ----------------------------------------------- Kisu Tei is a sub Alt. Kisu Tei protects the identity of Kisu Tei's Main. however Kisu Tei is used for other purposes too. threat level. easy pickin |
kisu tei
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: kisu tei
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Like I said, GBTW.
sorry i forget, what does GBTW. i havent come acrose that term before today. i seen GTFOE and LOAGFY. but GBTW skips my mind
Go Back To WoW. It has much better regulation of player interaction. I understand on certain servers you can avoid the horrors of interacting with other actual people altogether.
What do the other two stand for, out of curiosity?
sorry 18+ restriction on those two and both related to eve. your welcome to guess.
never played WOW, EVE is my first MMORPG it has ships, BIG ships. ships must be better.. right.
in fact. thinking about it. ive actually never played any warcraft(or warcraft related) games ever. funny that.(i wonder what im missing) ah well (shrug)
1. WOW graphics are substandard and ugly 2. the above statement you said that makes wow worse than eve.
anyway i stand by the fact that something has to be done about mass wardeccing and the fact that there is no downside to it if your allience is not centrlised anywhere. ----------------------------------------------- Kisu Tei is a sub Alt. Kisu Tei protects the identity of Kisu Tei's Main. however Kisu Tei is used for other purposes too. threat level. easy pickin |
Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: kisu tei
Originally by: Lorth Someone should point out, again, that you choose to be in a player run corp that is open to being declared war apon. You also had the choice to not join a player corp, and remain in your NPC corp, and be immune.
whats the point in playing eve if all your going to do is sit in a NPC corp and twiddle your thumbs all day and talk to yourself. i knew someone who did that. he quit eve after a month after, he delared that he lost eve by getting boared.
There is no point. But maybe some people would be better served if they accepted that this game is a harsh game, which has an open PVP system. And at that simply accept that fact, and move on with thier lives, rather then asking for mechanics changes, since they dislike a certain play style, and feel they should not be affected by it for no other reason then thier own judgement on what is 'fun'
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shinoobie
Originally by: Arrow Jumpdrive
You dont like it ?. Tough. You dont want to PvP, and mine ? Join EvE university.
Wow, you must have a bad memory, or your just loosing track of all your wars.
Didn't you war dec these too?
The great PA, the next m0o, war decced a corp dedicated to helping NEW players learn how to play EVE and hopefully enjoy it? Just so you guys get a few newb ganks?
Wow, what big bad pirates you are!
I am not supporting the original poster, I just think that PA should continue what you are doing but have some respect for the newer players in the game.
You all newb once, how long did it take you to wander into lowsec?
IMHO, If I had been wardecced when I was a newb in my first corp, I wouldn't have continued playing.
PA - Get some ethics please. The idea is great, your implementation is not.
I put the War dec vs Ivy Leagye through. It was a contract - and on face value just like any other. I didnt read the memo that said dont dec IVY. The War has since been retracted.
Learn More: Privateers Recruitment |
Arrow Jumpdrive
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 00:57:00 -
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Edited by: Arrow Jumpdrive on 16/03/2007 00:55:42
Quote: Wow, you must have a bad memory, or your just loosing track of all your wars.
Quote: I assure you this was a mistake and I will retract the war first thing when I get home tonight. Sorry about that, I gave your alliance my word and will keep it. - Syrup
The war dec vs. Ivy League was engaged in error, and has been retracted.
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Phichi
Team Americas Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:01:00 -
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To the OP.............. NO! It's never gonna happen so quit wasting your breath. Welcome to the big bad world of Eve, where no place is safe. Build a bridge and get over it.
Muggers point out failures in one's personal security measures, but it does not alter the fact that they are muggers.
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Arrow Jumpdrive
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shinoobie
Originally by: Arrow Jumpdrive
You dont like it ?. Tough. You dont want to PvP, and mine ? Join EvE university.
Wow, you must have a bad memory, or your just loosing track of all your wars.
Didn't you war dec these too?
The great PA, the next m0o, war decced a corp dedicated to helping NEW players learn how to play EVE and hopefully enjoy it? Just so you guys get a few newb ganks?
Wow, what big bad pirates you are!
I am not supporting the original poster, I just think that PA should continue what you are doing but have some respect for the newer players in the game.
You all newb once, how long did it take you to wander into lowsec?
IMHO, If I had been wardecced when I was a newb in my first corp, I wouldn't have continued playing.
PA - Get some ethics please. The idea is great, your implementation is not.
Quote: I assure you this was a mistake and I will retract the war first thing when I get home tonight. Sorry about that, I gave your alliance my word and will keep it. - Syrup
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kisu tei
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: kisu tei
Originally by: Lorth Someone should point out, again, that you choose to be in a player run corp that is open to being declared war apon. You also had the choice to not join a player corp, and remain in your NPC corp, and be immune.
whats the point in playing eve if all your going to do is sit in a NPC corp and twiddle your thumbs all day and talk to yourself. i knew someone who did that. he quit eve after a month after, he delared that he lost eve by getting boared.
There is no point. But maybe some people would be better served if they accepted that this game is a harsh game, which has an open PVP system. And at that simply accept that fact, and move on with thier lives, rather then asking for mechanics changes, since they dislike a certain play style, and feel they should not be affected by it for no other reason then thier own judgement on what is 'fun'
yes. eve is harsh i agree with you there. i myself have sufferd some harsh happenings. however the problem here is not that peropls cant accept these harsh things. its that some people are able to cause harsh things to other people without Consequences. witch is wrong. PA are immune to every other allience in the game. there is no point to attack to make them hurt.
you can hurt the (on occasion) individual but you cant hurt the allience.
they dont have to worry about carriers and motherships and DDD or interdictor probes. stuff that makes eve fun out of empire space. if they see a blob to many to handle they can jump out in a instent. due to WTZ empire combat aint fun. there should be Consequences and i aint seeing them. ----------------------------------------------- Kisu Tei is a sub Alt. Kisu Tei protects the identity of Kisu Tei's Main. however Kisu Tei is used for other purposes too. threat level. easy pickin |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: kisu tei
Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: kisu tei
Originally by: Lorth Someone should point out, again, that you choose to be in a player run corp that is open to being declared war apon. You also had the choice to not join a player corp, and remain in your NPC corp, and be immune.
whats the point in playing eve if all your going to do is sit in a NPC corp and twiddle your thumbs all day and talk to yourself. i knew someone who did that. he quit eve after a month after, he delared that he lost eve by getting boared.
There is no point. But maybe some people would be better served if they accepted that this game is a harsh game, which has an open PVP system. And at that simply accept that fact, and move on with thier lives, rather then asking for mechanics changes, since they dislike a certain play style, and feel they should not be affected by it for no other reason then thier own judgement on what is 'fun'
yes. eve is harsh i agree with you there. i myself have sufferd some harsh happenings. however the problem here is not that peropls cant accept these harsh things. its that some people are able to cause harsh things to other people without Consequences. witch is wrong. PA are immune to every other allience in the game. there is no point to attack to make them hurt.
you can hurt the (on occasion) individual but you cant hurt the allience.
they dont have to worry about carriers and motherships and DDD or interdictor probes. stuff that makes eve fun out of empire space. if they see a blob to many to handle they can jump out in a instent. due to WTZ empire combat aint fun. there should be Consequences and i aint seeing them.
Huge expenses. -
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Badhands
Gallente DarkStar 1 Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:06:00 -
[47]
Eve allows people to infiltrate other corporations and alliances, and steal billions upon billions of isk. Eve allows people to suicide for profit. It has been stated that every action in Eve is PvP, be it by direct force, denial of resources to others, market dominance, etc. My point? Eve is tough. That's why I like it. I'm not going to go so far as to say LOAGFY (for whomever asked earlier, "log off and go .... yourself"), but there are very few games as harsh as Eve, and many which offer a softer, gentler world. Perhaps consider finding one, if Eve doesn't suit you.
Beyond that, there are a hundred ways to avoid PA, especially since they got their red star next to their name in local. I remember having to show info and address book every PA I stumbled across.
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kisu tei
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Huge expenses.
payed of eventually by loot they gain by ganking haulers.
contracts made by corps to attack alliences.
the dont seem to be struggling making isk. i supect multiple newb corp mining alts per player.
anyway. time to go to bed. i wont be online for 12 hours and i wont be on forums for 18. ----------------------------------------------- Kisu Tei is a sub Alt. Kisu Tei protects the identity of Kisu Tei's Main. however Kisu Tei is used for other purposes too. threat level. easy pickin |
Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:11:00 -
[49]
boo hoo
Privateers called the minmatar fleet ships primary at today Roleplay extravaganza in Lustrevik.
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
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ghosttr
Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:14:00 -
[50]
The problem is that they can hide from war in npc stations, giving them a certain level of immunity that cannot be attained anywhere else but empire. Npc stations should not be safe havens for wartargets.
I dont think that there should be a limit to the amount of wardecs, but the charge should be handled differently. Like if that charge was based on the amount of participants in each allaince, so if they want to fight everybody they should have to pay for every head that they can target. Which would result in a higher overall cost the more allainces they are fighting, and make it so that it would be practically impossible to fund a war against 10,000+ players.
HELP FIX THE DRONE REGIONS!!!
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turnschuh
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:16:00 -
[51]
privateers = player version of factional warefare
and its ******* great, empire badly needed some pew pew
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Celeste Coeval
The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:16:00 -
[52]
Originally by: ghosttr The problem is that they can hide from war in npc stations, giving them a certain level of immunity that cannot be attained anywhere else but empire. Npc stations should not be safe havens for wartargets.
I dont think that there should be a limit to the amount of wardecs, but the charge should be handled differently. Like if that charge was based on the amount of participants in each allaince, so if they want to fight everybody they should have to pay for every head that they can target. Which would result in a higher overall cost the more allainces they are fighting, and make it so that it would be practically impossible to fund a war against 10,000+ players.
0.0 has npc stations
"If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
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ghosttr
Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:24:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Celeste Coeval
Originally by: ghosttr The problem is that they can hide from war in npc stations, giving them a certain level of immunity that cannot be attained anywhere else but empire. Npc stations should not be safe havens for wartargets.
I dont think that there should be a limit to the amount of wardecs, but the charge should be handled differently. Like if that charge was based on the amount of participants in each allaince, so if they want to fight everybody they should have to pay for every head that they can target. Which would result in a higher overall cost the more allainces they are fighting, and make it so that it would be practically impossible to fund a war against 10,000+ players.
0.0 has npc stations
I didnt say they should be able to hide there either.
HELP FIX THE DRONE REGIONS!!!
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Kadarin
Wolfenrecon
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:25:00 -
[54]
Now that CCP has the feature implemented where you can easily spot war targets in local chat, I have no issue with Privateers doing what they do.
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Vaatzes
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:35:00 -
[55]
How can it be greifing?
If you look at it it's not like it's alot of corps/alliances declaring war on one corp/alliance now THAT would be griefing, the Privateer Alliance is in a sense like a Mercenary Corp/Alliance, except that those who "contract" them are only paying for the war fee itself nothing else.
The Privateer Alliance is probably having what most hard time, they are the ones that always see local full of war targets not you, most of the big alliances arent war decced against each other becaus they are fighting in 0.0 for space and power, Privateer Alliance is fighting for the joy of PvP.
There's been alot of threats lately that are saying that the Privateer Alliance is abusing the war dec system, that's not possible, like i've said before they are like a mercenary alliance so it's just like they are contracted to ALOT of jobs, they are not paying for it all, alot of people send them the money to wardec the target of their choice and they will wardec it for you no matter who it is.
Personally i like what they are doing, they are giving people the opertunity to have alot of targets and pvp without having to pay alot of money for it, some people want to pvp and kill almost anyone but still don't want to lose sec status, so for them the privateer alliance would be perfect, with thousands of targets all around eve to shoot at.
Now you are talking about them ruining the game for people who want to play eve for fun, that is the whole reason why this alliance was formed, so that people could have fun in pvp but not take part in the stupid alliance politics, not everyone wants to fight in a battle where there are 500 people in local for some space.
It's stupid to be asking CCP to limit how many wars a corp/alliance can have, i personally feel that corps/alliances should have as many wars as they want, if privateers want to be in war with 1000 corps then go ahead, if BoB would suddenly want to wardec all of eve and conquer all of eve, go ahead, if D2, RA, GOONS or whatever other alliance would want it then go ahead i find it stupid to put a limit to how many wars a corp/alliance can have.
I've probably ranted or something but i personally don't care, i'm getting tired of seeing threat's on the forums where people are whining becaus privateers declared a war on their corp/alliance, we don't have to know about every time the privateer alliance declares war against you and actually most of us don't care.
The big alliances aim to control 0.0 space and have it for themselfs, i personally find those alliances beeing greedy since new players can't go to 0.0 without being killed and given the reason that the alliance that is there "owns" that space, NOONE can own space. Privateer Alliance aimes to control empire per say, the big alliances want 0.0 and endless blobbing, POS Warfare, they have fights where hundreds of peoples are fighting against each other, many players including myself are not interested in that kind of fighting, they want small gang and/or solo fights.
This whole disscussion of privateer alliance being griefers becaus they like to be able to log on for 10 minutes and immedietly get a fight is starting to be annoying, people are whining everywhere "boohoo privateer alliance declared war on my corp" Privateers have more to worry about thatn you, stop calling them griefers, it's STUPID.
Now i've written enough probably alot of it didnt make sence but i don't care becaus i'm annoyed by all this whining around the privateer alliance. STOP whining about them and if you don't want to be in a corp that is in war with privateers, THEN LEAVE.
This was brought to you by Vaatzes, one ****ed of guy who is tired of alliance politics and the whiners of eve Enjoy your stay in eve and i hope you winers lose a few billions in ISK becaus of the privateers.
What i wrote is not the view of my corp and/or my piggybank.
ps. Keep up the good work privateers, you are one of my favorite corp/alliance in this wonderful game.
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Vaatzes
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:36:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Vaatzes on 16/03/2007 01:33:41 I just realized i wrote ALOT, enjoy reading it and those that read it all deserve a handshake for making it through it all
ps. it was probably alot of rant. -Vaatzes
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:45:00 -
[57]
Originally by: kisu tei privateers = griefers.
I have nothing to add to this thread.
Except: Yay, I LOVE being a Privateer.
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The Green Banana Corporation is Recruiting
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heheheh
Singularity.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:46:00 -
[58]
OP = crying CCP please make these carebears realise its a PVP game, if you dont want to be involved in PVP then go play the sims or something on a PVE server.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:49:00 -
[59]
/signed. they don't bother me really.. only had one run in with them ever. i lost a crow, they lost a hurricane. i can see, however, how their overuse of the war dec feature is effectively stunting the growth rate of new corps while the larger ones roam free fighting for space in 0.0. it doesn't take much forethought to see an even greater divide between the two in the future, especially if this whatever war continues for as long as it will most likely.
right now, it seems concord has very little purpose but to keep complete chaos from ensuing. it really increases an already difficult learning curve even further.
i'd say a cap on number of decs is perfectly acceptable, and realistic to boot. how many real life entities could sustain 50 wars against literally everyone? they couldn't.. the only reason privateers can is because they can retreat back into stations you can't even conquer, and drop out of the alliance when they don't want to fight anymore.. anyone that is at war with them knows this as the alliance mail folder never stops flashing.
i'd say 3 war decs is a perfectly acceptable and realistic number. i'd even say 5 if there were other parameters that needed met.
just my 2 isk..
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:59:00 -
[60]
If a corp is only allowed to issue three war decs (as the anti-privateer whiners want), what will happen when:
1. Corp A issues three war decs against three different corps. 2. Corp B then war decs Corp A.
Is Corp A allowed to fight against B, since A already has three ongoing wars? This opens a huge can of worms. Another great idea.
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Illistar DeathWing
Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:59:00 -
[61]
I just think it's funny.
My corp was warred by them a while back and no one seems to care. If anything we are happy that we get to shoot them in empire.
That being said I dislike that they pick on industrial corps. There is no challenge or fun in blowing up mining barges and transport ships. They should cut that out. But any of the mission runner/pvp corps are fair game in my opinion.
And really I admire there guys for thinking about this and organising their allience to actually do it. You know something is working when people come on the forums and cry 'nerf' or 'exploit'
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Illistar DeathWing
Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.03.16 02:01:00 -
[62]
Originally by: RedFall If a corp is only allowed to issue three war decs (as the anti-privateer whiners want), what will happen when:
1. Corp A issues three war decs against three different corps. 2. Corp B then war decs Corp A.
Is Corp A allowed to fight against B, since A already has three ongoing wars? This opens a huge can of worms. Another great idea.
That's a wrong conclusion. The key word here is issue, hence they can war dec 3 corps but can be war decced by 100 others.
Not that I agree with that or anything.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.03.16 02:03:00 -
[63]
Originally by: RedFall If a corp is only allowed to issue three war decs (as the anti-privateer whiners want), what will happen when:
1. Corp A issues three war decs against three different corps. 2. Corp B then war decs Corp A.
Is Corp A allowed to fight against B, since A already has three ongoing wars? This opens a huge can of worms. Another great idea.
think about that.. of course they would. any war dec from one to another would be honored. so yes, there is a chance a person could have multiple war decs on them too.. if you **** enough people off, you could be staring down the barrel of several guns. that seems more realistic and almost as exploitable, but it's a better and more logical option than what we have now.. and it parallels reality.
People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue |
RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.03.16 02:05:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Illistar DeathWing
Originally by: RedFall If a corp is only allowed to issue three war decs (as the anti-privateer whiners want), what will happen when:
1. Corp A issues three war decs against three different corps. 2. Corp B then war decs Corp A.
Is Corp A allowed to fight against B, since A already has three ongoing wars? This opens a huge can of worms. Another great idea.
That's a wrong conclusion. The key word here is issue, hence they can war dec 3 corps but can be war decced by 100 others.
Not that I agree with that or anything.
I'll slap you upside your head with my conclusion.
How would that be fair then? 100 people can beat me up, but I can only go after three of them. A large corp with a few hundred members can easily handle three or five war decs. I think it's just people need something to whine about when they're tired of whining about nanos.
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.03.16 02:10:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Empyre
Originally by: RedFall If a corp is only allowed to issue three war decs (as the anti-privateer whiners want), what will happen when:
1. Corp A issues three war decs against three different corps. 2. Corp B then war decs Corp A.
Is Corp A allowed to fight against B, since A already has three ongoing wars? This opens a huge can of worms. Another great idea.
think about that.. of course they would. any war dec from one to another would be honored. so yes, there is a chance a person could have multiple war decs on them too.. if you **** enough people off, you could be staring down the barrel of several guns. that seems more realistic and almost as exploitable, but it's a better and more logical option than what we have now.. and it parallels reality.
How would it be more logical? Does some invisible omniscient being (CCP) in real life stop a country from going to war with more than three other countries? The more restrictions are put on this game, the more it turns into Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2007.03.16 02:11:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Empyre on 16/03/2007 02:13:31
Originally by: RedFall I'll slap you upside your head with my conclusion.
How would that be fair then? 100 people can beat me up, but I can only go after three of them. A large corp with a few hundred members can easily handle three or five war decs. I think it's just people need something to whine about when they're tired of whining about nanos.
it forces you to work together, within the confines of reality. you want to play rough, go to lawless or less secure space where it belongs. and with this method, as i mentioned above, if you **** enough people off you have to answer for the possibility that every one of them will war dec you.
any exploitation of that system otherwise (people following the character to every corp and doing the same) could easily be identified and taken care of by GMs via petition.
EDIT: furthermore, privateers could still get what they wanted if they ****ed everyone off. they just wouldn't be able to exploit the system to fight who they want on their terms only.
People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue |
Illistar DeathWing
Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.03.16 02:15:00 -
[67]
Originally by: RedFall
Originally by: Illistar DeathWing
Originally by: RedFall If a corp is only allowed to issue three war decs (as the anti-privateer whiners want), what will happen when:
1. Corp A issues three war decs against three different corps. 2. Corp B then war decs Corp A.
Is Corp A allowed to fight against B, since A already has three ongoing wars? This opens a huge can of worms. Another great idea.
That's a wrong conclusion. The key word here is issue, hence they can war dec 3 corps but can be war decced by 100 others.
Not that I agree with that or anything.
I'll slap you upside your head with my conclusion.
How would that be fair then? 100 people can beat me up, but I can only go after three of them. A large corp with a few hundred members can easily handle three or five war decs. I think it's just people need something to whine about when they're tired of whining about nanos.
You can beat up the 100 people that war dec you (because you are in a war with them), however it limits you to how many corps you can actually dec war on. So every corp that declairs war on you, you are allowed to fight. But you can only wardec on 3 corps that havent wardecced you.
Exemple: Corp a wardecs corp b, c and d. Corp z and q wardec corp a, so corp a is now in 5 wars. However since corp a wardecced corp b,c and d they cannot wardec corp x who didn't wardec anyone.
Again I don't agree with that logic just trying to point it out.
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Arrow Jumpdrive
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 02:25:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Arrow Jumpdrive on 16/03/2007 02:21:15 ** DISCLAIMER: My opionions do not reflect the opionions of the Privateer Alliance, its member corps, or even my own corp for that matter. My opionions are exactly that, mine. **
Quote: it forces you to work together, within the confines of reality. you want to play rough, go to lawless or less secure space where it belongs.
- Huh?. This is the game according to how YOU see. This is YOUR perception of EvE, the great thing about eve is that it is player controlled [ have you seen the price of HAC's in this player controlled economy ? ]. Methinks you need rethink how wars are fought in EvE. .4 - 0.0 isnt just "for PvP". Welcome to a player controlled MMORPG.
Rethink your stance.
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Larno
Gallente Avatars of Doom Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 02:26:00 -
[69]
I think the problem is that there is no way to win a war. Privateers do damage by picking off one or two targets here and there. The military force of the alliances Privateers are fighting against is 50x that of Privateers, but still they are allowed to be at war. There needs to be clear objectives that can be met in order to end a war. ---------- "Whining gets you stuff, that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed." |
ghosttr
Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 02:52:00 -
[70]
They hide in empire which is designed to protect new players from being griefed. But the same qualities that prevent pirates from griefing noobies also makes it an excellent place to hide. Their stations cant be captured, and there is no threat to their income. Maybe having some war tools would help. Like bribing certain npc corporations so anyone on the opposite side gets thier docking rights removed, or makes services at that npc factions stations more expensive. This way a war could be won against them by effectively cutting of the amount of dockable/profitable stations that privateers can use.
HELP FIX THE DRONE REGIONS!!!
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.03.16 03:14:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Larno I think the problem is that there is no way to win a war. Privateers do damage by picking off one or two targets here and there. The military force of the alliances Privateers are fighting against is 50x that of Privateers, but still they are allowed to be at war. There needs to be clear objectives that can be met in order to end a war.
/signed. I have no problem with what the Privs are doing, and like most PvP (defending sovereignty excepted), if you don't want to do it, it's easy enough to avoid. But there really needs to be a way for either side to achieve victory.
Or - maybe this is easier to code - war declarations could be changed to bribes given to Concorde to look the other way. Then at least it would be consistent with how the war decs actually work. -- Guile can always trump hardware -- |
Celus Talford
Gallente The Sofa Kings
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Posted - 2007.03.16 03:20:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Celus Talford on 16/03/2007 03:18:47 Edited by: Celus Talford on 16/03/2007 03:17:37 I am not sure about how war decrees work but I would think that if the Privateers declare war, they can also resend that war. Has any alliance or corp tried to negotiate with the Privateers to lift the war decree? As with most things I am sure there is a price. Is your corp or alliance willing to pay the price to have you protected. It is just a thought.
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MasterDecoy
Gallente Raddick Explorations NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.03.16 04:06:00 -
[73]
Luv the privateers !
they are testament to the quality eve's mechanics. they make empire interesting and so on.... rabble rabble rabble.
now, with that said, there is a fine line between what they're doing and griefing.
that line to me stands at camping jita 4-4 and doing other lame things... and keep in mind that not all the corps in privateers do stuff like this, i have a few nice things to say about a few of their member corporation.
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 06:44:00 -
[74]
Originally by: MasterDecoy Luv the privateers !
they are testament to the quality eve's mechanics. they make empire interesting and so on.... rabble rabble rabble.
now, with that said, there is a fine line between what they're doing and griefing.
that line to me stands at camping jita 4-4 and doing other lame things... and keep in mind that not all the corps in privateers do stuff like this, i have a few nice things to say about a few of their member corporation.
LOL
Go check outside 4-4. Full of foeman alliances camping to shoot us.
*GASP*
Thanks for the nice comments however
SKUNK
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Viliny
Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.16 07:45:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Dr Longfingers Alls fine, join an NPC corp if you don't want to participate in wars. Nuff said.
So to be able to play in an industrial way in empire with your corp consisted more or less of your friends, you'd have to disband said corp?
Hardly a solution.
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Pensive Handwringer
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Posted - 2007.03.16 08:03:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Pensive Handwringer on 16/03/2007 08:01:23
Originally by: Viliny
Originally by: Dr Longfingers Alls fine, join an NPC corp if you don't want to participate in wars. Nuff said.
So to be able to play in an industrial way in empire with your corp consisted more or less of your friends, you'd have to disband said corp?
Hardly a solution.
You have choices.
1. Disband and freelance it. 2. Disband and make an unofficial corp using a secure channel. 3. Stay in your corporation and use your brain (Do not call it [Phat Lewtz Mining and Manufacturering], keep it relatively small and dont **** people off. If it gets bigger, make sure you recruit a navy to defend it. Pay Privateers to war dec someone else, they probably wont wardec you if they're doing a contract for you. Operate in systems that are not central to the game and you'll be less visible. Other smart things I wont include for brevities sake.
Infinity Ziona
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Mr Gimlet
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Posted - 2007.03.16 08:27:00 -
[77]
I have nothing against the principle of what the privateers are up to. Good on em for spicing up the game for a week or two.
I have to add though on the other side of the coin that 50 mill for a war dec is just too low. It is possible for them to war dec a corp of only a couple of peeps as 1 good kill will recover 50 mill in loot. 1 good item will recover 50 mill FFS. Any war decing aliance/corp has a win/win situation going here and seeing how every other similar situation in game is nerfed, I think the Devs will have no choise but to do something about it as precident has already been set.
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Cown
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 08:37:00 -
[78]
I like reading about people whining.
If you dont like their ways of doing empire, leave whatever corp, who got war declared...
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Tressia
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Posted - 2007.03.16 08:59:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Tressia on 16/03/2007 08:56:34
Originally by: Viliny
Originally by: Dr Longfingers Alls fine, join an NPC corp if you don't want to participate in wars. Nuff said.
So to be able to play in an industrial way in empire with your corp consisted more or less of your friends, you'd have to disband said corp?
Hardly a solution.
This is one of the reasons that I began to play eve, for the trade, industrial aspect. I got into pvp unexpectedly. I have heard dev comments that they basically hate "carebears" in eve. The problem is that anyone that does not want to shooty 24hrs a day is considered a "carebear" to people.
I dislike that, as in industrialist, I deal with pvp on all levels whereas these so called "pvpers" only shoot stuff and they call themselves pvpers...lol. It's just lame that there has to be grief everywhere especially if you are in a 0.0 alliance. What, other than ships, do the privateers really defend against?
Nothing. It's not balanced, not even close.
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Zilkin
Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.16 09:09:00 -
[80]
Privateers have been innovative and I definetly donŠt wanna see any kind of limitations on wardecs. Freedom is what makes EVE great.
Also heres the mandatory statement: qq more ;)
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Ashaz
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Posted - 2007.03.16 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ashaz on 16/03/2007 09:12:55 **I do not represent my corp's or alliance's oppinnions. These are MY oppinnions as a player.**
Originally by: Majin82 The Privateers have really changed the game and made things different. I don't mind what they do for the most part. The only thing that bugs me about the Privateers is when they dec new players in 1st time corps.
New Players need safe space to learn in and make some starting ISK.
I Agree.
Call it whatever you want. they are still griefers who spend most their time popping haulers & miners who are unable to even see them before they die, cause of session change lag.
I personaly don't mind them much cause they keep me on the edge even in highsec. But I know many people who simply stop playing during these repeated wardecks. We've been wardecked 6 or 7 times in a row now and it is getting silly. We removed our "noob corp" from the alliance to keep them safe, simply bechause many of them are new players who can't defend themselves and haven't learned how to handle this stuff yet. so what happened? They decked that corp aswell.
Quote: Privateer Alliance is fighting for the joy of PvP
It must be realy fun quality PVP to kill a week old miner, when you're useing a tier3 BS. *sigh*
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How would it be more logical? Does some invisible omniscient being (CCP) in real life stop a country from going to war with more than three other countries? The more restrictions are put on this game, the more it turns into Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
The keyword there is "country". if one country attacked 10 other countries, those 10 would ripp it apart. The privateers have nothing to defend, so can't be attacked with any effect.
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Voltron
Caldari Emerald Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.16 09:37:00 -
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As long as they pay their bills every week, which they do and from what I hear its a hefty amount, then its not griefing.
Put some more thought into random statements like this next time, everything in this game has its cost, if the cost is there, has been set by CCP and you're able to afford it then its not an exploit.
Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ashaz Edited by: Ashaz on 16/03/2007 09:12:55 **I do not represent my corp's or alliance's oppinnions. These are MY oppinnions as a player.**
Originally by: Majin82 The Privateers have really changed the game and made things different. I don't mind what they do for the most part. The only thing that bugs me about the Privateers is when they dec new players in 1st time corps.
New Players need safe space to learn in and make some starting ISK.
I Agree.
Call it whatever you want. they are still griefers who spend most their time popping haulers & miners who are unable to even see them before they die, cause of session change lag.
I personaly don't mind them much cause they keep me on the edge even in highsec. But I know many people who simply stop playing during these repeated wardecks. We've been wardecked 6 or 7 times in a row now and it is getting silly. We removed our "noob corp" from the alliance to keep them safe, simply bechause many of them are new players who can't defend themselves and haven't learned how to handle this stuff yet. so what happened? They decked that corp aswell.
Quote: Privateer Alliance is fighting for the joy of PvP
It must be realy fun quality PVP to kill a week old miner, when you're useing a tier3 BS. *sigh*
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How would it be more logical? Does some invisible omniscient being (CCP) in real life stop a country from going to war with more than three other countries? The more restrictions are put on this game, the more it turns into Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
The keyword there is "country". if one country attacked 10 other countries, those 10 would ripp it apart. The privateers have nothing to defend, so can't be attacked with any effect.
So do you talk out of your armpit often?
But seriously tho, how can an ill informed sob like you participate in a discussion like this being as biased as you are?
The stuff you are pulling out of said armpit in your post is just rediculous;
"they are still griefers who spend most their time popping haulers & miners who are unable to even see them before they die, cause of session change lag."
"It must be realy fun quality PVP to kill a week old miner, when you're useing a tier3 BS. *sigh*"
Get a grip on yourself mate, you dont know anything.
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TheAwakening
Caldari Post-Terran Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr They hide in empire which is designed to protect new players from being griefed
WTS: Clue
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Marc deBourgogne
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: Marc deBourgogne on 16/03/2007 10:28:17
Originally by: Gift Adapt or Die, We have.
There is another tread about looting your wrecks with alts. looks like the way I'm gonna adapt
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Malcanis
Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:35:00 -
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I think Privateers make EVE better. It's bad enough having to drudge down to empire on occasion. Privateers keep things interesting.
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Fuglife
STK Scientific INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:36:00 -
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I agree with the op! Also i suggest that ccp rename Gallente - Nightelfs, Caldari - Humans, Amarr - Orcs and Minmartar Trolls!
If ccp dont do this i will cancel my account and go back to Hello Kitty Island Adventure!
Please note, these are purely my opinions, not those of my next door neighbours cat.
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Captain Thunk
Captain Morgan Society
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:39:00 -
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If CCP wish to change the rules and make the Privateer Alliance model unworkable, then that's upto them, I personally won't have a problem if they do.
But I don't see it as an exploit. So long as the alliance doesn't specifically target the newest and weakest players, before they've got to grips with the game then I don't see it as unfair.
Generally speaking Privateers war decs alliances, the bigger the better, most of which claim 0.0 sovereignty in certain systems. These are the people who should be self sufficient and able to take care of themselves. I do feel sorry for players who are a few days or weeks old who lose ships because they decided to join an alliance too early, but it was always the risk they took. If you're not ready for an alliance, don't join one. I don't see how a 'powerful 0.0 alliance' can be griefed, it seems to me they just want to pick and choose when and if they fight, something they're free to do if they live solely in their own territory. The problem some alliances are discovering is that they have a lot more 'empire carebears' than they realised or wanted to admit.
For me, it's just about the fun - unlike a targetted war between two competing alliances fighting over territory or a blue on blue incident it's less personal, there's less smacktalk and jibes. There's less concerted campaigns of misinformation, character assasination and slander on the forums. Basically I just get fights - someone wins, someone loses then everybody goes on their way. The way Eve should be.
I also like the alliance model, I don't have to pretend I like people or defend them and their actions simply because we share the same alliance ticker. There are no enforced alliance ops, I'm not expected to 'do' anything for the alliance apart from pay the weekly fee. There are some privateers who behave in a way that I would not, but that's their choice, it's nothing to do with me - they are in a seperate corp doing their own thing. With privateers you get the full cross section of types of players all across Eve, we have a little of everything.
I see it as licensed piracy by 'bribing' the authorities to look the other way concerning our war targets. But there's nothing to stop people forming gangs and hunting us down.
I'm speaking here for myself, not my corp and not the privateer alliance.
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:43:00 -
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The only thing Privateers do is force you to have an alt to move things around in empire. Nuff said really.
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Malcanis
Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: kisu tei
Originally by: Shiva Shane Thank you for making the 237 thread on exactly the same topic in the past 60 days.
your welcome.
privateers are abusing the allience system. i suggest that before an allience can wardeck someone they should have to have a minimum of 1 Large POS/starbase/control tower to centralise there operations.
as soon as this is lost this. they lose all ability to make wars. this making it so they actually have something to defend so they can keep there style of greifing. also limit there ammount of wardeccing overal. i think 25 alliences is a good healthy number but not to small and not to expensive
Actually, your whining apart, that's not a bad idea.
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Frygok
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:49:00 -
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The only thing that should be changed in my opinion is the fact that corps can't leave Privateers when they are in the middle of a war.
If you are tough enough to declare tons of empire wars, face the consequences.
An entire week after a corp leaves an alliance, all the wars should be maintained. Corps leaving Privateers all the times to avoid the consequences of their wardecs is lame, tbh.
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Captain Thunk
Captain Morgan Society
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Thunk on 16/03/2007 10:51:05
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: kisu tei
Originally by: Shiva Shane Thank you for making the 237 thread on exactly the same topic in the past 60 days.
your welcome.
privateers are abusing the allience system. i suggest that before an allience can wardeck someone they should have to have a minimum of 1 Large POS/starbase/control tower to centralise there operations.
as soon as this is lost this. they lose all ability to make wars. this making it so they actually have something to defend so they can keep there style of greifing. also limit there ammount of wardeccing overal. i think 25 alliences is a good healthy number but not to small and not to expensive
Actually, your whining apart, that's not a bad idea.
I'd imagine in that scenario what would happen is syrup would errect said POS and not tell anyone in the alliance where he put it. What would follow is best termed "needle in a haystack".
I don't think that would change anything.
The most powerful alliances could evade war decs entirely by setting up 25 alt alliances and have them war dec themselves tying up the slots. Pet corp rent could easily cover the overheads. I'm not saying they would, just that it's an option to some.
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Malcanis
Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Tressia Edited by: Tressia on 16/03/2007 08:56:34
Originally by: Viliny
Originally by: Dr Longfingers Alls fine, join an NPC corp if you don't want to participate in wars. Nuff said.
So to be able to play in an industrial way in empire with your corp consisted more or less of your friends, you'd have to disband said corp?
Hardly a solution.
This is one of the reasons that I began to play eve, for the trade, industrial aspect. I got into pvp unexpectedly. I have heard dev comments that they basically hate "carebears" in eve. The problem is that anyone that does not want to shooty 24hrs a day is considered a "carebear" to people.
I dislike that, as in industrialist, I deal with pvp on all levels whereas these so called "pvpers" only shoot stuff and they call themselves pvpers...lol. It's just lame that there has to be grief everywhere especially if you are in a 0.0 alliance. What, other than ships, do the privateers really defend against?
Nothing. It's not balanced, not even close.
Yes, actually it is.
You're free to charge what you like for your products; they're free to shoot who they want with their ships.
See how works?
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.16 11:21:00 -
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Another of these threads?
FFS Stop typing 'Griefer'! This is not Everquest.
In Eve, you are *allowed* to grief people. It is *encouraged*.
This is like trying to ban guns from counterstrike :S
Just stop it now.
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Dano Sarum
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.16 11:23:00 -
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People care about privateers?
The wardec system does and allways has allowed you to greif people.
NPC corps also allow people to run around empire and you can't do an awful lot against them.
Everyone "abuses" these things, its called being smart.
I couldn't care less about it really, Empire sucks anyway, just go out and join a 0.0 alliance and you wont ever see these guys. ______
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Banana Torres on 16/03/2007 12:13:54
Originally by: Dano Sarum The wardec system does and allways has allowed you to greif people.
By playing a game that allows wardec's you are giving your permission to be wardec'd. Therefore there is no grief play involved. --
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ashaz
We removed our "noob corp" from the alliance to keep them safe, simply bechause many of them are new players who can't defend themselves and haven't learned how to handle this stuff yet. so what happened? They decked that corp aswell.
Could just of easily been your industrial empire arm - with the full haulers in it
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Wilfuc Fatburdz
The Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.16 13:26:00 -
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FFS stop this nonsense Privateers are not griefing. Now I'm annoyed with myself for posting in this lamefest.
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Alex Zander505
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Posted - 2007.03.18 02:41:00 -
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Stop whining and shoot some Privateers! Consider them a little less than an NPC pirate.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.18 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Zander505 Stop whining and shoot some Privateers! Consider them a little less than an NPC pirate.
Oh you dumbass. Let this thread die ffs! ---
Originally by: Foopadoo Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
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Dampfschlaghammer
Minmatar Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.18 03:06:00 -
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Edited by: Dampfschlaghammer on 18/03/2007 03:02:25
Originally by: Frygok The only thing that should be changed in my opinion is the fact that corps can't leave Privateers when they are in the middle of a war.
If you are tough enough to declare tons of empire wars, face the consequences.
An entire week after a corp leaves an alliance, all the wars should be maintained. Corps leaving Privateers all the times to avoid the consequences of their wardecs is lame, tbh.
Something along these lines is the only thing CCP should do. And stop people exploiting undock lag in Jita, but that's not really a Privateers-specific problem.
Apart from that, they are fine. Don't like it? Go to a noob corp.
Of course it's a trade off not to benefit from corp hangars and stuff, but that's the way it should be.
I personally think Privateers are a nice thing. They make empire interesting .
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.18 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: kisu tei
Originally by: Shiva Shane Thank you for making the 237 thread on exactly the same topic in the past 60 days.
your welcome.
privateers are abusing the allience system. i suggest that before an allience can wardeck someone they should have to have a minimum of 1 Large POS/starbase/control tower to centralise there operations.
as soon as this is lost this. they lose all ability to make wars. this making it so they actually have something to defend so they can keep there style of greifing. also limit there ammount of wardeccing overal. i think 25 alliences is a good healthy number but not to small and not to expensive
Can we force empire carebears to put up a 0.0/lowsec POS somewhere before engaging in any major industrial activities, so we have something to attack to hamper their operations? -
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Phiraga
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Posted - 2007.03.18 03:40:00 -
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The idea of privateers is nice, but the thing that bothers most people is the lame tactics employed by some of them, and other 'pirates' too.
Lameness: Camping Jita: the lag is bad enough. stop it. Hiding in NPC stations: happens in 0.0 too. pretty lame. Gate camping in general: o surprise noob!!!111 i blowed u up before i even loaded on ur screens lolzzzz1111!!!1!1!
As I said before, my beef is not with the Privateers. It's with people who use these tactics. To the users of these tactics: at the end of the day ask yourself,"What have I accomplished today?"
If your answer is one of the following: i gotz teh phat lootz i gotz teh killmail on teh n00b teehee i made him mad
then you are an underachiever, and you could be a lot more respectable if you played in a more respectable way. But then again, perhaps it's not your fault that the easiest way to feel good in this game is to have a gate camp of 92 command ships and pop the nearest frigate only to fight over the loot. I guess it's CCP's fault for making this game blobtastic and lagtastic. Continue. "Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority." |
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