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Kashaul Murik
Minmatar The Voices of Matar
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo There is only one tribe that deserves that power.
There is only one tribe which chose to turn on their own kin. There is only one tribe which chose to enslave its own kin. There is only one tribe that deserves eternal torment.
You are the lost tribe. -- Kashaul Murik CEO The Voices of Matar |
Ysolde Xen
Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.03.16 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kashaul Murik
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo There is only one tribe that deserves that power.
There is only one tribe which chose to turn on their own kin. There is only one tribe which chose to enslave its own kin. There is only one tribe that deserves eternal torment.
You are the lost tribe.
Some will go to any lengths in the quest for that power, as Scagga has demonstrated, no matter how low the betrayal. As Kashaul says, the Ammatar are not Matari and haven't been since the days of the Nefantar: they're nothing more than pitiful, deluded traitors. The saddest part is that Scagga and a few others may have once even seen a glimmer of the truth, then ran and hid from it.
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Mori Felding
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.16 11:45:00 -
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First of all, the voice of the people should be heard, but it must not be at the cost of violent behavior that our government should be replaced. A vote of confidence would be well timed these days, to see just what majority believe of the situation and follow that vote accordingly. If it should fall out ill for the current regime, I would hope that the Republic Fleet would take measures to remove a resisting government from power, if it is indeed the true will of the people.
The people demand to be heard, let them be heard!
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.03.16 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kashaul Murik
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo There is only one tribe that deserves that power.
There is only one tribe which chose to turn on their own kin. There is only one tribe which chose to enslave its own kin. There is only one tribe that deserves eternal torment.
You are the lost tribe.
Big lies for a small man - a mere commoner, of a tribe bereft of nobility.
One tribe did not rebel. One tribe did not commit treason. This tribe will rule them all.
Know this well, serf.
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.16 12:03:00 -
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Forgive my interjection in what IĈm sure you feel is a Matari matter. You speak of ôweak governmentsö of ôfreedomö and of replacing one government with another. I feel you are close to something, to realisation of true freedom. IĈm not going to tell you want it is, but I think you know deep down what I am talking about. IĈm not being purposefully vague or anything, IĈm just conscious of the Amarr hecklers on the side line.
But then, if our way can conjure such hate from them, surely there must be something in it, no?
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Wanoah
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.16 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Forgive my interjection in what IĈm sure you feel is a Matari matter. You speak of ôweak governmentsö of ôfreedomö and of replacing one government with another. I feel you are close to something, to realisation of true freedom. IĈm not going to tell you want it is, but I think you know deep down what I am talking about. IĈm not being purposefully vague or anything, IĈm just conscious of the Amarr hecklers on the side line.
But then, if our way can conjure such hate from them, surely there must be something in it, no?
It's clear what you are alluding to, Sable, and in the long term I agree. In the short term, however, with an active and ongoing war with the treacherous Ammatar dogs, and the clear and present danger of the evil Empire just a few light minutes away, the Minmatar people need to be united behind a strong leader. I would suggest that only once the Amarr Empire has been overturned and its downtrodden masses are singing songs of freedom in the streets, can we even begin to consider dismantling the apparatus of state elsewhere.
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.16 12:38:00 -
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I understand your concerns, but suggest only that our way does not preclude "Uniting", and may even go so far as to suggesting that empowerment of the individual to rise beyond the mentality of "following a leader", may in fact bring strength.
However, my piece is said. You know where we are and what we are doing.
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Lord Murkon
Amarr SPCS
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Posted - 2007.03.16 13:23:00 -
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The SPCS stands by to render any supervisory aid required to these Minmatar who are in the midst of a misguided attempt at self rule. Let it be known SPCS ships are manned and ready to bring survivors of the Minmatar society to a compassionate and caring home where all meals and housing will be provided to them in the Amarr Empire. There is no need to live in the fear of your own terror any longer.
Lord Murkon SPCS Manager
SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
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GOLDEN LAMB
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Posted - 2007.03.16 14:12:00 -
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RISE YOU PROUD MATARI TRIBES AND LET THE WEAPONS BE YOUR VOICE !
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Damion Zyne
Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.16 14:13:00 -
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What he said ^^
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.16 14:49:00 -
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All You crying for weapons, crying for Bloodshed among the Matari, I ask you if you are paid by the Amarr. Have you forgotten your loyalty? Not to PM or governement but to what is best for the future of your tribe? Have you forgotten that the destiny of your tribe is more important than you irrelevant thirst for blood because you feel disappointed by Midular? If you overthrow this government by violence you will destroy the last bit of unity that is left to the Matari. You will be praised by the slavers because for years you will destroy any chance to unite and stand up against them. You will not get a new strong leader, all you get is bloodshed among the Matari and an endless discussion among the tribes who will become the new leader. Do you really think that the Sebiestor will acept the murder of their head of tribe? Do you really think our allies, the Gallente Federation will accept such a childish act? And yes, we will need them. Not because we are weak but because we wil need every hand and every drone to fight the slavers. What is it with you? Are you really too blind to see that the path you are about to choose leads to darkness and bitterness for generations? That your betray the values you were educated? That you serve the Amarr and only the Amarr in dividing our people?
This is not the way. This is not the means to be used. This is madness.
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Wren
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.16 15:05:00 -
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I think you all need to remember that this is 'our' people's home. We cannot turn on each other and tear down what little we already have. What we need is for there to be some sort of accountability, some sort of real definite way for us to see that our leaders listen to the people and act accordingly.
Instead, we are asked to blindly follow someone who may or may not have a grand plan for ensuring the freedom and prosperity of all Minmatar, both in the Republic and those still in bondage.
Power to the tribes; Power to the people, yes, but power earned with every option exhausted before we turn to violence. -----------------------------------
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Pezzle
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 15:32:00 -
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Leaders have to make decisions that not everyone will agree with. You still owe them your support, they act in your interest. To think that your leaders are beholden to a handful of disgruntled pilots is rather laughable. Stop opposing your own authority. Or you can embrace anarchy and watch the cycles of violence and self destruction continue.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 18:22:00 -
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Quote: yes, but power earned with every option exhausted before we turn to violence.
It is interesting that the ideal you outline there only seems to apply when you find it politically expedient.
Or do you call attacking an Empire that was actively working to live in peace with you exhausting every option before you turn to violence?
I would also like to suggest to the people saying Amarrians have no place in this issue that they need to reexamine what is at stake here. When the basic political message is "get rid of our leader because she isn't screaming 'death to Amarr'" it seems rather silly to argue that Amarr isn't involved.
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Wren
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.16 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Quote: yes, but power earned with every option exhausted before we turn to violence.
It is interesting that the ideal you outline there only seems to apply when you find it politically expedient.
Or do you call attacking an Empire that was actively working to live in peace with you exhausting every option before you turn to violence?
I would also like to suggest to the people saying Amarrians have no place in this issue that they need to reexamine what is at stake here. When the basic political message is "get rid of our leader because she isn't screaming 'death to Amarr'" it seems rather silly to argue that Amarr isn't involved.
I attack who and what attacks me or my family. To say you and yours live in peace towards us is laughable. The only peace you want is the one that requires every last Minmatar to be bound in servitude.
The more you speak in issues that is not yours to meddle in, the more you sound like mewling cronies, bent on twisting any scrap of information towards weakening relatioins between tribes and Minmatar corps.
I only wish there was a filter on Gal-Net so I didn't have to sort through so much of your filth every time I log in. -----------------------------------
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Cairhien
Minmatar Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.16 18:40:00 -
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WE are Spart........sorry Matar!!!!
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Pliskkenn
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.17 22:13:00 -
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Quote: I attack who and what attacks me or my family. To say you and yours live in peace towards us is laughable. The only peace you want is the one that requires every last Minmatar to be bound in servitude.
Do not be hasty to stereotype and judge. While I do not exactly agree with what the Nefantar did, it is fact that they were slaves like the rest of us before the rebellion. The Empire rewarded them with quasi-freedom. I assume, that the same would eventually become true for the rest of us should they one day finish their "Reclaiming".
I also would like our own people to pay attention to what happens in our own lands! The tribes were last truly united during the rebllion (minus one of course). Once the republic was formed, we lost 1. Those that remained struggle for dominance over each other and choose to fight over old disputes. Look at the Matari capsuleer groups, many want to achieve the same thing but refuse to fly the same banner. Before we remove the current government we need to sort out where everyone stands. Power to the tribes? Be careful what you wish for. I can imagine seperate and weakend Matari states forming from this, and this makes me uneasy.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.17 23:41:00 -
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Quote: I can imagine seperate and weakend Matari states forming from this, and this makes me uneasy.
What you fear, has already happened before now.
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Arnulf Ogunkoya
Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.03.18 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Big lies for a small man - a mere commoner, of a tribe bereft of nobility.
One tribe did not rebel. One tribe did not commit treason. This tribe will rule them all.
Know this well, serf.
And do you know what makes me laugh Scagga?
You are not a Nefantar.
It states quite clearly in your bio and pilots licence that you are of Sebiestor blood. Your political and religious views may have changed but you are not and will never me a Nefantar. So who is the serf now?
Not me, traitor, that is certain.
I respect the pilots in PIE, and most of the pilots in the other Amarrian militias. Their ideas are twisted and wrong, but they fight for what they believe.
I believe that you are just power seeking filth that obviously couldn't cut it out in 0.0 and now tries to impress us with boastful words here.
Have we seen you in the Republic since we burned your last Typhoon under you? We have seen PIE many times. You seem rather subdued though. Regards,
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Hiro Yuki
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Posted - 2007.03.18 12:16:00 -
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Violence only begets violence. If we turn amongst ourselves we do the very job that the Amarr here wish upon us.
Has anyone been able to speak properly to our Government, without hostile intent, to seek answers and receive them?
I seek unity for our people, but war amongst ourselves, will only provide opportunities for others.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.03.18 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Arnulf Ogunkoya
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Big lies for a small man - a mere commoner, of a tribe bereft of nobility.
One tribe did not rebel. One tribe did not commit treason. This tribe will rule them all.
Know this well, serf.
And do you know what makes me laugh Scagga?
You are not a Nefantar.
It states quite clearly in your bio and pilots licence that you are of Sebiestor blood. Your political and religious views may have changed but you are not and will never me a Nefantar. So who is the serf now?
Not me, traitor, that is certain.
I respect the pilots in PIE, and most of the pilots in the other Amarrian militias. Their ideas are twisted and wrong, but they fight for what they believe.
I believe that you are just power seeking filth that obviously couldn't cut it out in 0.0 and now tries to impress us with boastful words here.
Have we seen you in the Republic since we burned your last Typhoon under you? We have seen PIE many times. You seem rather subdued though.
My race has no bearing on the undeniable truth of what I have said. I am of Sebiestor lineage, and a citizen of the Mandate. I make NO claim to nobility, that is the right of the true Nefantar. Your argument is thus non-existant.
Concerning my presence in the Terra irridente, you could ask your confederates in Ushrakhan about my whereabouts. Ammatar forces have had other fish to fry since the patrols in Molden heath were attenuated.
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Hiro Yuki
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Posted - 2007.03.18 17:32:00 -
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The Nefantar have given up all rights to be a part of the Minmatar Republic. They will never rule us.
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Nachshon
Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.03.18 18:45:00 -
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Scagga has not been in Molden Heath for a while, probably because that is NMTZ's stomping grounds. __________________________________________ What I say should not be taken as the position of Gradient or NMTZ.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.18 21:41:00 -
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I would be surprised if you don't see Ammatar raids resume when their current business fighting the terrorist infestation on their southern flank is concluded.
And Nachson, if losses and hostile forces were the reason for the Ammatar cessation of attack, which they were not, then EM would deserve far more credit than your Organization.
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Kanie Nareketh
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Posted - 2007.03.19 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo There is only one tribe that deserves that power.
Here is the instigation of this verbal lashout against what is commonly accepted as truth and power.
But what power would the Ammatar provinces have. The Amarr want, as far as one can tell through their religious act, only to re-enslave all Minmatar. They wish to bring the Minmatar race as a whole back under what they call "God's Plan."
To re-enslave the Tribes is not possible anymore, because the Minmatars have tasted the 'Freedom' that they desperately wanted, as have the Ammatar's, who benefitted from the rebellion with eased restrictions of their slavery.
The power has already been gained, and is relative only to each individual, not to any whole generalized group.
There is no power so great as the power Scagga Laebetrovo has excercised by speaking here, and if the Amarr wish to re-enslave the Matari race, Scagga, you would not speak, because the act of speaking is an act of free will, and slaves are not allowed that.
There is your power, Scagga. There lies all our power.
Originally by: Kashaul Murik There is only one tribe which chose to turn on their own kin. There is only one tribe which chose to enslave its own kin. There is only one tribe that deserves eternal torment. You are the lost tribe.
The Ammatar did what they either believed would allow them to survive or would allow them to believe they were in the right, and there is no betrayal in that. However, there is not any more betrayal in what the Minmatar have done since the rebellion. There are those who would rather live under the rule of the Amarr, and those who would rather not.
No one view is relevant anymore, and doubtless never has one view been entirely relevant, but in the past, one view was powerful enough to control those of differing views. The rebellion occured when the balance of power had tipped far enough towards the Matari.
You yourself exhibit my next point, with your opinion.
Originally by: Ysolde Xen Some will go to any lengths in the quest for that power, as Scagga has demonstrated, no matter how low the betrayal. As Kashaul says, the Ammatar are not Matari and haven't been since the days of the Nefantar: they're nothing more than pitiful, deluded traitors. The saddest part is that Scagga and a few others may have once even seen a glimmer of the truth, then ran and hid from it.
What glimmer of truth?
Let me ask you, Ysolde, do you enjoy life? Manifestly, at the core of your being, do you enjoy it? If, say, there was a person who did not enjoy life as intrinsically as others, like yourself, and they truly only wished to cease to exist, would you tell them their view was wrong?
The truth is as much a viewpoint as the value for life. If one does not share joy in what one person sees as truth, they create their own truth. Thus we have opinions, based on each person's view of the world.
For the man living by the sea, water is not a thing to be revered. For the man living in the desert, every drop of water is precious and to be deified. This is what we have here, in this argument of Minmatar and Ammatar.
Personally, I care not whether you think I'm supporting either side, but consider both sides of the argument first. Does anyone truly ever do anything they believe in their heart to be wrong?
The Ammatar did not see the same glimmer of truth as the Minmatar saw,so there is no real point, in my view, to argue right versus wrong, when both parties enjoy what I see as their own choice of what is right.
The Ammatar, for all the control exerted on them by the Amarr, made their choice of free will to remain in captivity, and thus are justified in the argument to remain there.
The Minmatar, for all the social problems they bring themselves into, have chosen that over slavery, and thus they chose of free will to become a sovereign people.
Notice I do not say a 'Free' people, for none exists under government.
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Eris Davion
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Posted - 2007.03.19 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sable Schroedinger I understand your concerns, but suggest only that our way does not preclude "Uniting", and may even go so far as to suggesting that empowerment of the individual to rise beyond the mentality of "following a leader", may in fact bring strength.
Your way is also about abandoning who we are. If that were something we, as a people, were willing to do... we would have become Ammatar rather than rise up in rebellion.
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Eris Davion
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Posted - 2007.03.19 06:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kanie Nareketh
Originally by: Kashaul Murik There is only one tribe which chose to turn on their own kin. There is only one tribe which chose to enslave its own kin. There is only one tribe that deserves eternal torment. You are the lost tribe.
The Ammatar did what they either believed would allow them to survive or would allow them to believe they were in the right, and there is no betrayal in that.
The ammattar sold their traditional values and the lives of their cousins for a few breadcrumbs of comfort. That is betrayal of the worst kind.
Now they endorse a viewpoint that advocates taking away the choice of all who view things differently. You speak the Gallente words of tolerance, but taken to the paradoxical extreme: defending the rights of a people to strive towards stealing away your rights.
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Ardan
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Ardan on 19/03/2007 17:51:07 Choices, choices, choices...
That is all we have. Freedome of choice. Free will.
The Amarr say that God does not want us to have free will. Then why did he give it to us? The Amarr have chosen to enslave others. The Minmatar have chosen to be free. If God did not want us to be free, why are we then free? He gave us the desire to be free, and the right to choose that freedome and the ability to make it happen.
The Ammatarr have chosen to remain semi slaves to the Amarr, that is THEIR choice. I do not begrudge them that choice. But you will NOT force me to fallow your choice. I have fee will.
As Pod Piolots, we have greater freedome than anyone in the history of mankind, yet we continue to choose not to exercise that freedom. We choose instead to be bound to old systems of government and old traditions.
I know this sounds somewhat like Star Fraction doctrine, (I am not a member of SF), but I too have made a choice. I have chosen to be bound by responsibility. How can I fly away and be free, when there is an entire empire that wants me and everyone else to be slaves to their will. Therefore I choose to fight this oppression, that is the Amarr empire. I choose to fight untill it is no more, then maybe I will choose the freedome that Star Fraction represents.
I have made my choice. And I blame no one for what I choose. Nor do I use God or anyone else as an excuse for my choice.
It is MY choice.
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