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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.12 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Sheath on 12/03/2007 22:11:26 To be honest, I would call pirating the hardest thing to do for money in EVE. Well, that's really going a bit far, actually it's a combination of being difficult and complicated. It really isn't for everyone and can VERY easily cost you more than you earn. You also have to learn to scan well, and have a group big enough to tackle ships before they run. Theres so much to worry about, it becomes overwhelming to alot of people. This is just intended as sort of a disclaimer, pirating is only surpassed in difficulty by large scale marketing characters. Just be careful if you want to get into it, find a good corp thats willing to teach. Scout around in 0.4 sectors and find someone to start talking to. Good luck mateys! :D
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.12 22:05:00 -
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Yeah, a good carebear makes about 1000x the isk of a good pirate, and doesn't have to worry about losing many ships either.
Don't get into piracy to get rich, get into it because you like excitement.
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.12 22:08:00 -
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I just always wanted to be a pirate, but apparently the ride required you to wear pants. Damn Disney..... thanks EVE for helping me avoid anymore of those pesky incidents.....I got so.....arrested that night
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Burakus
Exit 13
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Posted - 2007.03.12 22:34:00 -
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Piracy usually sucks for money. Its hard work, but way more fun. Plus you get to say "yarr".
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Drakesh
Caldari The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.12 22:41:00 -
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Yeah piracy is a lot like birthday cake.
It only comes around properly now and then, you get to sing a lot, the best cakes have jam*, and its really great.
*For the record, jam is really important to pirates. I'm serial.
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.12 22:45:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Sheath on 12/03/2007 22:43:33 Edited by: Silver Sheath on 12/03/2007 22:42:10 It's all in the risk I suppose... Some people prefer to pour every Kred into thier mining barge and sit in high sec space chipping away at a Veldspar rock. Meanwhile, others prefer to be part of a pack of frigs swooping in on a low-sec traveler. Take the risks you like, manage the power how you want. If you want eceonomic power, be a trader. It just seems like a lot of n00bs think that everyone aspires to piracy, and that it's the best job etc. I watched an "aspiring pirate" warp in on a ganksquad of 4 bs's, so you gotta be really careful once Concord isn't looking ;)
Edit: Yes, jam is our life, cut me and I bleed raspberries.... Edited Edit: Oh yea! YARRRRRR!!!!! GIMME UR BOOTYZ!!!!!1!!!11!!!2?3!
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Chr0nosX
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Posted - 2007.03.12 22:51:00 -
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Usually pirating is a struggle to stay equal. You sometimes hit the jackpot though, rarely but sometimes. My jackpot was a hauler with a Hornet II BPO in slow boating to the gate. Sold for 4bil. I got my 1bil cut but as I said that is rare.
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.12 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Sheath on 12/03/2007 22:55:37 The fundamental problem with pirating is the rate at which it deteriorates. If a miner spent 500 mil on his ship/equipment and all that. You blow him up and get 250 mil worth of loot, thats 250 mil ISK thats been wasted. So, no matter what, pirates can NEVER get 100%. If 2 equally matched ships fight it out, neither person can win as much ISK as they would for losing. So, of course it's very......cutthroat.....hehehe
I am the PUN-isher....
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Chr0nosX
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Posted - 2007.03.12 23:13:00 -
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Luck plays a strong part too though. For example me popping a mining barge and the two expanded cargo hold IIs popping and the strip miner but not the survey scanner - true story. Pirating can be depressing too
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.12 23:26:00 -
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Yeah, the first 3 days with my corp, we were trying to find targets anywhere. We must have scanned at least 20 systems. We couldn't find a single decent hit, until we ran across a frig by itself. Turned out that this little frig was bait for a 4 Battleship ambush. Yeah, we got screwed, over the 3 days I lost 4 ships and killed 1 person. But, then you'll get a strip miner or *Prays* a Claoking Dev off a Covert Ops ship, so it evens out sometimes.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.12 23:50:00 -
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Meh, that all may be true, particularly with the state of LowSec, but the HARDEST way to earn ISK is probablly Missionng in 0.0 when you aint blue to the locals.
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.13 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo Meh, that all may be true, particularly with the state of LowSec, but the HARDEST way to earn ISK is probablly Missionng in 0.0 when you aint blue to the locals.
Hahaha, how about flying from one side of EVE to the other in your pod. 1 bil to the first to do THAT.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Sheath
Originally by: Soporo Meh, that all may be true, particularly with the state of LowSec, but the HARDEST way to earn ISK is probablly Missionng in 0.0 when you aint blue to the locals.
Hahaha, how about flying from one side of EVE to the other in your pod. 1 bil to the first to do THAT.
With WTZ that shouldn't be difficult.
Not to mention that before WTZ, I flew an impairor right into 0.0 in an attempt to get destroyed, and honestly, there's a lot of deserted area. Not that much risk, but it'd be boring as hell.
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Saint Lazarus
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Posted - 2007.03.13 03:26:00 -
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When I got dragged into piratin from my comfy minin corp by a mate first thing he said to me was....
Just dont expect to ever be rich
Carebears just build up their cash and up and up, till they have a bil in the wallet, they have a helluva lot less expenses than a pirate and they whine whine whine when they lose a ship to some "exploit", yet as pirates we risk and lose more cash on a dialy basis than they do in a month
Pirates live on a DAILY basis, you make cash you gotta spend it straight away, improvin your ship, replacein a ship, mods, saving up for BS insurance. Pirates dont have the luxury of being able to hoard all their cash for the most part.
And unlike other incomes Piratin is EXTREMELY hit and miss, some times weeks can go by and you get jack, then BAM sweet ass t2 loot falls into your lap and you're back on easy street......for about 2 days before you lose your BC in a 20 man gang while chasin a hauler etc etc
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T'Renn
Crimson Squall
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:43:00 -
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Piracy is the most fun to be had in this game bar none, and it -can- be profitable. Is it profitable to me? No - it never has been, but that's only because of losses. I might make 150-200m a month in pirate income but spend much much more than that when say, the ship in my signature popped.
The whole point though is if you're going to come, come correct. Risk the big isk and you might get the big reward, or you might lose it all. Be vigilant about not dying at all costs. If you're in your best ship and want to camp gates with your friends in it, don't wear out your "welcome." Stuff like that.
I make a lot of friends pirating actually because I make it a point to be personable with everyone - victim or not (there are a few exceptions to this, but very few.) There are really slow times and during those times you have to work in other ways to feed the habit quite honestly. --
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Angua Ironfounderson
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:18:00 -
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Enlighten me - with the "not so" new character creation method is creating a pvp character easier now than it was pre-patch.
Just how little sp is required to venture into a roaming "gank" squad? What about "fleet" size? Or do piewates do it solo.
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Darcy Killar
Gallente Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Angua Ironfounderson Enlighten me - with the "not so" new character creation method is creating a pvp character easier now than it was pre-patch.
Just how little sp is required to venture into a roaming "gank" squad? What about "fleet" size? Or do piewates do it solo.
Depends on the corp and who you fly alongside. Most piracy corps run battle cruiser and up in which case it can take several months to be effective. However, others pirate in frigates, my corp for example, the average squad in my corp is 5 to 15 frigates with dessys and cruisers tossed in there. In war we typically fly a small fleet of frigs dessys and cruisers supporting one or two battlecruisers. In my corp you can be effective flying with us after 6-12 hours of training. (just make a Military/solider character of your chosen race and then train up propulsion jamming) I have found it is uncommon for us not to be able to make a squad of at least five frigs these days. We also solo but typically only in high sec.
Honestly, smaller ships are just more fun!
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zwerg
Caldari OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Lazarus When I got dragged into piratin from my comfy minin corp by a mate first thing he said to me was....
Just dont expect to ever be rich
Carebears just build up their cash and up and up, till they have a bil in the wallet, they have a helluva lot less expenses than a pirate and they whine whine whine when they lose a ship to some "exploit", yet as pirates we risk and lose more cash on a dialy basis than they do in a month
Pirates live on a DAILY basis, you make cash you gotta spend it straight away, improvin your ship, replacein a ship, mods, saving up for BS insurance. Pirates dont have the luxury of being able to hoard all their cash for the most part.
And unlike other incomes Piratin is EXTREMELY hit and miss, some times weeks can go by and you get jack, then BAM sweet ass t2 loot falls into your lap and you're back on easy street......for about 2 days before you lose your BC in a 20 man gang while chasin a hauler etc etc
i am a pirate a long time now and im rich, solo drake gate camp ftw!!!
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Kehmor
Caldari The Movement
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:51:00 -
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A big problem with pirac today is that realistically you need access to a battlecruiserwith decent skills at the least to do it. I know im going to get 100 posts saying "zomg noob this one time i killed a battleship in my frig" but this is never a regular occurence. You need to be able and willing to fight while under sentry fire on a semi-regular basis as low sec belts just never have decent targets any more. Its a difficult career, and even the good pirates have crap weeks where they lose a load of isk. For example just this past fortnight. I've lost three astartes to various iritating circumstances, and you have to be willing to take these losses in your stride.
Piracy can and does pay, but it isn't for the lazy or weak hearted. Also unlike most professions you can't do it for a week then pull out.
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Dr Kojak
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Kojak on 13/03/2007 11:50:33 Infod pirate to make life miserable for as many people as possible! The more angry and frustrated they get, the more we enjoy it. (OMG how we enjoy it!) Hopefully, they get angry and frustrated in RL as well and takes it out on their nearest and dearest. We spice up the pirating by smackin local chat, hoping the victims will quit EvE(tm) as a result.
Every time a player quits eve because of Infod, our CEO gets an orgams.
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Kehmor
Caldari The Movement
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: zwerg
Originally by: Saint Lazarus When I got dragged into piratin from my comfy minin corp by a mate first thing he said to me was....
Just dont expect to ever be rich
Carebears just build up their cash and up and up, till they have a bil in the wallet, they have a helluva lot less expenses than a pirate and they whine whine whine when they lose a ship to some "exploit", yet as pirates we risk and lose more cash on a dialy basis than they do in a month
Pirates live on a DAILY basis, you make cash you gotta spend it straight away, improvin your ship, replacein a ship, mods, saving up for BS insurance. Pirates dont have the luxury of being able to hoard all their cash for the most part.
And unlike other incomes Piratin is EXTREMELY hit and miss, some times weeks can go by and you get jack, then BAM sweet ass t2 loot falls into your lap and you're back on easy street......for about 2 days before you lose your BC in a 20 man gang while chasin a hauler etc etc
i am a pirate a long time now and im rich, solo drake gate camp ftw!!!
If you are ging to sit on a gate all day on your lonesome you might aswell go mine or rat hunt. That way you can watch a film at the same time.
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Rawthorm
Gallente The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2007.03.13 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Rawthorm on 13/03/2007 16:41:02 Piracy is a hard career choice, probably the most dificult in EvE if you have aspirations of owning and using some nice kit in the future
That being said, you tend to find there are two groups of people. Thugs who are there simply for the thril and the pretty explosions. This is about 95% of the EvE pirate base, weither they want to make cash or not. They will often loose out on big scores cos they are so in your face pirating that the big scores get tipped off and bail.
The other 5% are professional pirates. They do it for the combat but with the goal of profiting from doing so. They take time to do their homework on the targets they choose. A sucessful and rich career pirate will play the long game, laying in wait for a specific target you've got intel on. Most people dont have the paitence to get intel on the big scores and few people seem willing to let average targets pass until the target you want comes into your sights.
Now granted I have a Nyx, but ship type aside I did my intel gathering and managed to score about 3 billion ISK in 4 days worth of pirating via killing faction BS and ransoming freighters in low sec. (Killed 2 Obelisk, Ransomed a Fenir, Charon and Obelisk for at least 400 mil a peice, and killed and looted from a Nightmare, Rattle, and 3 CNR's) Could have been pulled off with just 2 good Battleships tbh.
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.13 20:51:00 -
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Well, alot of that 95% come from people who just like blowing other people up to the fact that the Griefwatch killboards have gotten really popular. Now, theres a 3rd party system assigning points to people for kills and keeping track of total damage in ISK. This gives players an outside incentive to kill players that they would otherwise leave alone. So next time a BS and 3 Destroyers drop in on your frig, thats why.
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Major Stuart
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2007.03.13 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: Major Stuart on 13/03/2007 21:38:55
Originally by: Burakus Piracy usually sucks for money. Its hard work, but way more fun. Plus you get to say "yarr".
pfft theres 2 rules for yarrr
1. For every 'a' there is 3 'r' 2. You have to say it in italics.
Example-
yaaarrrrrrrrr yarrr yaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Niton Stormrider
HCD
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Posted - 2007.03.13 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Chr0nosX Usually pirating is a struggle to stay equal. You sometimes hit the jackpot though, rarely but sometimes. My jackpot was a hauler with a Hornet II BPO in slow boating to the gate. Sold for 4bil. I got my 1bil cut but as I said that is rare.
A hauler pilot was autopiloting with a tech 2 BPO onboard?
Ah man, I would have LOVED to hear what his CEO had to say about that...
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Chr0nosX
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Posted - 2007.03.13 22:45:00 -
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A hauler pilot was autopiloting with a tech 2 BPO onboard?
Ah man, I would have LOVED to hear what his CEO had to say about that...
He said he misclicked warp to 0. Heh.
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.03.14 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Burakus Piracy usually sucks for money. Its hard work, but way more fun. Plus you get to say "yarr".
Yarring local is payment enough
And by the way, I rule you.
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happymappy
Amarr BloodBath 'N Beyond The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:04:00 -
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yeh piracy isnt about the isk it's about the fun, when my iskies are low it's a simple jump clone away to 0.0 for some ratting and places like syndicate make it easy to move in on your lonesom all you need is a vexor and yay i can make iskies \/
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Requiescat
The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.03.21 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Silver Sheath *Prays* a Claoking Dev off a Covert Ops ship, so it evens out sometimes.
hehe yep :) i have a killmail around here somewhere that i'll post if i can find it...
Can't waste a day when the night brings a hearse So make your move and plead the fifth, 'cause you can't plead the first |
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