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Dracos Delfinten
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2017.01.12 21:36:09 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Space Friends, The current range that warp bubbles are effective (how far from your destination they can pull you out of warp) is a little unclear. This has lead to some 'interesting' possibilities, such as bubble camping a gate with a citadel. With the 118.7 patch, we are considering changing the maximum distance for a warp bubble (mobile, probe or hictor bubble) to effect a warp to be 500km. This means only warp disruption bubbles that are 500km in-front or behind your warp destination, which are inline with your warp, will pull you out of warp early or drag you. What do you think? We'd love your feedback! Update 2016-07-04 - Q&A
To me, it feels like bubbles are a poorly designed game mechanic made purely for pirates which is entirely unrealistic. Considering the fact that in any real universe which had people capable of making space ships, probes, and drones there would be the ability to see these camps without putting yourself in harm's way, no one would ever get caught in a bubble without failing to look before leaping. Instead, we have to completely avoid them or send in a fleet to destroy them. How is that fun for anyone but gankers? Also, why can't we manually set destinations (not having to create bookmarks) instead of being forced to warp to a location within 100km? I feel like this game heavily favors pirating and ganking, and that's a huge contributor to people avoiding this game. I understand that pirates are realistic, especially with the current state of society, but you should be able to realistically avoid them as well. If you spent more time putting things in your game for people to interact with & be rewarded by and less time on forced PVP & convoluted interfaces, your subscriber base would grow exponentially. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3498
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Posted - 2017.01.13 11:34:51 -
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.... I want you to go and count just how many tools you have to avoid bubbles in eve. I'll even be nice and say you don't have to count alternate routes
BLOPS Hauler
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2516
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Posted - 2017.01.13 12:17:32 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's funny how many tears I read here - mostly because when CCP touch a pirates or gangers toys now they cry like hell. Mostly laughing when a 80% of Eve players are carebears and want to taste any kind of activity - now they can't cause of the reason above Pirates - Gangers etc;
CCP already changed a lot of game mechanic; Mostly im pissed off about instalocking ship even when you are in cloaky one (Twice i can't turn on cloak cause I were targeted before it went on and popped);
This stuff shouldnt be made for Gangers - it should be done for warfare reason;
Right now this game is something like Give or Take - when "Take" is for Gangers, and Give nothing to others.
Hope so you got my point - Not sure how the insta-locking before cloak thing happened. It used to be that if you had a sub 2.0 second align time you could not be locked and with cloak you could not be locked.
Now it does appear that even with both of the above, the lock can sneak in. Not sure how I feel about that, good in a way in that I think cloaking should not give 100% immunity but at the same time it creates major issues for cloakies + min / maxxers pushing limits.
I've been insta-locked and killed by Onyx's twice, both in Rancer, while in a hound. Given the hound is entirely reliant on cloak for defence its a bit much to remove that defence without the attacker needing a frigate sized ship and bubbles to do so
If the problem is scan resolution being buffed, its now quite easy to get a few k in scan res, theres probably a need to put a cap on scan res to avoid the issue otherwise its a waste of time flying paper thing cloakies and youre better off flying a cloaky regengu and just crashing the gate if you get locked.
Thats the other option so there are other options so whatever
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18540
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Posted - 2017.01.15 07:05:18 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's funny how many tears I read here - mostly because when CCP touch a pirates or gangers toys now they cry like hell. Mostly laughing when a 80% of Eve players are carebears and want to taste any kind of activity - now they can't cause of the reason above Pirates - Gangers etc;
CCP already changed a lot of game mechanic; Mostly im pissed off about instalocking ship even when you are in cloaky one (Twice i can't turn on cloak cause I were targeted before it went on and popped);
This stuff shouldnt be made for Gangers - it should be done for warfare reason;
Right now this game is something like Give or Take - when "Take" is for Gangers, and Give nothing to others.
Hope so you got my point -
This bubble on citadel tactic was mostly used by ratters to defend their systems. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3517
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Posted - 2017.01.16 02:35:06 -
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baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's funny how many tears I read here - mostly because when CCP touch a pirates or gangers toys now they cry like hell. Mostly laughing when a 80% of Eve players are carebears and want to taste any kind of activity - now they can't cause of the reason above Pirates - Gangers etc;
CCP already changed a lot of game mechanic; Mostly im pissed off about instalocking ship even when you are in cloaky one (Twice i can't turn on cloak cause I were targeted before it went on and popped);
This stuff shouldnt be made for Gangers - it should be done for warfare reason;
Right now this game is something like Give or Take - when "Take" is for Gangers, and Give nothing to others.
Hope so you got my point - This bubble on citadel tactic was mostly used by ratters to defend their systems.
That's not true, that's impossible!
BLOPS Hauler
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2517
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Posted - 2017.01.16 08:03:27 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's funny how many tears I read here - mostly because when CCP touch a pirates or gangers toys now they cry like hell. Mostly laughing when a 80% of Eve players are carebears and want to taste any kind of activity - now they can't cause of the reason above Pirates - Gangers etc;
CCP already changed a lot of game mechanic; Mostly im pissed off about instalocking ship even when you are in cloaky one (Twice i can't turn on cloak cause I were targeted before it went on and popped);
This stuff shouldnt be made for Gangers - it should be done for warfare reason;
Right now this game is something like Give or Take - when "Take" is for Gangers, and Give nothing to others.
Hope so you got my point - This bubble on citadel tactic was mostly used by ratters to defend their systems. That's not true, that's impossible! Yeah its not true lol. The opposite. First time I ever met a citadel bubble was in 7RM. Landed right next to a citadel and got insta locked and popped by a carrier with a network sensor array. 7RM is definitely not a ratter system.
There are citidels on almost every gate in some regions, they're not there for ratting lol.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18541
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Posted - 2017.01.16 14:48:34 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's funny how many tears I read here - mostly because when CCP touch a pirates or gangers toys now they cry like hell. Mostly laughing when a 80% of Eve players are carebears and want to taste any kind of activity - now they can't cause of the reason above Pirates - Gangers etc;
CCP already changed a lot of game mechanic; Mostly im pissed off about instalocking ship even when you are in cloaky one (Twice i can't turn on cloak cause I were targeted before it went on and popped);
This stuff shouldnt be made for Gangers - it should be done for warfare reason;
Right now this game is something like Give or Take - when "Take" is for Gangers, and Give nothing to others.
Hope so you got my point - This bubble on citadel tactic was mostly used by ratters to defend their systems. That's not true, that's impossible!
Search your feelings Lugh, you know it to be true. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18541
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Posted - 2017.01.16 14:53:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's funny how many tears I read here - mostly because when CCP touch a pirates or gangers toys now they cry like hell. Mostly laughing when a 80% of Eve players are carebears and want to taste any kind of activity - now they can't cause of the reason above Pirates - Gangers etc;
CCP already changed a lot of game mechanic; Mostly im pissed off about instalocking ship even when you are in cloaky one (Twice i can't turn on cloak cause I were targeted before it went on and popped);
This stuff shouldnt be made for Gangers - it should be done for warfare reason;
Right now this game is something like Give or Take - when "Take" is for Gangers, and Give nothing to others.
Hope so you got my point - This bubble on citadel tactic was mostly used by ratters to defend their systems. That's not true, that's impossible! Yeah its not true lol. The opposite. First time I ever met a citadel bubble was in 7RM. Landed right next to a citadel and got insta locked and popped by a carrier with a network sensor array. 7RM is definitely not a ratter system. There are citidels on almost every gate in some regions, they're not there for ratting lol.
ratting defences don't start in the ratting system, these things started at the borders. Back before the imperium was turfed out of the north I had to pick my way through an entire region of these things before I got to an fcon ratting system.
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2541
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Posted - 2017.01.17 00:03:53 -
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baltec1 wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:baltec1 wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:It's funny how many tears I read here - mostly because when CCP touch a pirates or gangers toys now they cry like hell. Mostly laughing when a 80% of Eve players are carebears and want to taste any kind of activity - now they can't cause of the reason above Pirates - Gangers etc;
CCP already changed a lot of game mechanic; Mostly im pissed off about instalocking ship even when you are in cloaky one (Twice i can't turn on cloak cause I were targeted before it went on and popped);
This stuff shouldnt be made for Gangers - it should be done for warfare reason;
Right now this game is something like Give or Take - when "Take" is for Gangers, and Give nothing to others.
Hope so you got my point - This bubble on citadel tactic was mostly used by ratters to defend their systems. That's not true, that's impossible! Yeah its not true lol. The opposite. First time I ever met a citadel bubble was in 7RM. Landed right next to a citadel and got insta locked and popped by a carrier with a network sensor array. 7RM is definitely not a ratter system. There are citidels on almost every gate in some regions, they're not there for ratting lol. ratting defences don't start in the ratting system, these things started at the borders. Back before the imperium was turfed out of the north I had to pick my way through an entire region of these things before I got to an fcon ratting system. lol
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Imustbecomfused
The Final Resistance ChaosTheory.
99
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Posted - 2017.03.15 00:21:57 -
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CCP Larrikin wrote:Hi Space Friends, The current range that warp bubbles are effective (how far from your destination they can pull you out of warp) is a little unclear. This has lead to some 'interesting' possibilities, such as bubble camping a gate with a citadel. With the 118.7 patch, we are considering changing the maximum distance for a warp bubble (mobile, probe or hictor bubble) to effect a warp to be 500km. This means only warp disruption bubbles that are 500km in-front or behind your warp destination, which are inline with your warp, will pull you out of warp early or drag you. What do you think? We'd love your feedback! Update 2016-07-04 - Q&A
why the **** are you messing with things that already work? why not fix something broken or make a new game? im just confused as to why the insanity in changing the game SO DRAMATICALLY, this is why people just get ya know, frustrated and turn off eve online... seriously, you should consider just like chilling out and working on parts that NEED improving. wtf ccp |
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Cade Windstalker
1095
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Posted - 2017.03.15 02:37:55 -
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Imustbecomfused wrote:why the **** are you messing with things that already work? why not fix something broken or make a new game? im just confused as to why the insanity in changing the game SO DRAMATICALLY, this is why people just get ya know, frustrated and turn off eve online... seriously, you should consider just like chilling out and working on parts that NEED improving. wtf ccp
This was changed... six months ago?
WTF, lol |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
75
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Posted - 2017.04.21 17:01:32 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Eve is sandbox - players in nullsec should be allowed to do as they like. I like the idea of "really" owning space too. Doesn't feel like it when every random or people you have set to red can use infrastructure in your system. Camping a stargate with tethered ships on an immune object is too cheesy thou.
Wait for the introduction of player built stargates (eta 2057).
Anthar Thebess wrote:i hate bubbles blubblublbulbulblub |
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
211
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Posted - 2017.05.15 12:35:08 -
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Can you chain bubbles to get around the 500km restriction? Place one at 500km from the gate and then one 1000km (500km from the first one) Which bubble do you land in? |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3920
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Posted - 2017.05.15 22:49:17 -
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Henry Plantgenet wrote:Can you chain bubbles to get around the 500km restriction? Place one at 500km from the gate and then one 1000km (500km from the first one) Which bubble do you land in?
Do.... do you not even know how drag bubbles work?
You land I the first one your warp vector would cross
BLOPS Hauler
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Cade Windstalker
1537
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Posted - 2017.05.17 19:13:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Henry Plantgenet wrote:Can you chain bubbles to get around the 500km restriction? Place one at 500km from the gate and then one 1000km (500km from the first one) Which bubble do you land in? Do.... do you not even know how drag bubbles work? You land I the first one your warp vector would cross
The answer to your question Henry is no, you can't. If you put one bubble at 500km and one at 1000km you'll land in the 500km one every time no matter which side of the gate it's on.
Lugh I think he's talking about regular bubbles not drag ones. So
X < target ----------500km---- 1st bubble ------- another 500km ------ 2nd bubble |
Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
14
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Posted - 2017.06.30 13:08:56 -
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gr33nCO wrote:you could also make anchored bubbles in space time out after downtime. That would resolve a lot of the issues.
Horrible idea...
*activates thermal hardeners for incoming flame
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Xzanos
Fools Resurrection
14
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Posted - 2017.06.30 13:10:54 -
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erittainvarma wrote:This 500km drag range solution is treating symptoms, not the cause and just makes game more confusing. Bubbles should drag if your warp ends inside the grid they are and they are in your warp bath. That's easy to understand mechanic, arbitrary km limits what ever they are aren't.
Citadels in gate grid are the real problem here. They should have 100 000km range limit to gates instead of 1000km.
Not Scouting is the real problem here.
*activates thermal hardeners for incoming flame
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