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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6039
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:54:44 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Can someone tell me how to add EVE properly to Steam so that I can test that overlay? Using "Add a Non-Steam Game" with the exe file from "...\EVE\tq\eve.exe" apparently does not do the trick. I cannot load the overlay with the set up hotkey.
If you add the (new, not the one that's going away) eve launcher as the non-steam game, the overlay will work just fine with the launched clients.
Yes, there's still UI blocking.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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HyperFlareX
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:55:40 -
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yes. overwolf is the only overlay I know of that doesn't block the game simultaneously. |
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement Limited Expectations
10
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:57:02 -
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Can we get some kind of in-game embeded window that would allow us to use our own default browser? Just isolate the window so no javascript leaks out...
Yes, the CCPBrowser is bad, but I use it all the time- checking market, posting d-scan, killboard, memes, and just for general browsing while warping at 1 au/s. Keeping 1 eye on local or d-scan and browsing stuff, can't really do it with alt-tabbing. |
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
150
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:58:09 -
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Blade Darth wrote:Can we get some kind of in-game embeded window that would allow us to use our own default browser? Just isolate the window so no javascript leaks out...
Yes, the CCPBrowser is bad, but I use it all the time- checking market, posting d-scan, killboard, memes, and just for general browsing while warping at 1 au/s. Keeping 1 eye on local or d-scan and browsing stuff, can't really do it with alt-tabbing.
2nd monitor works wonders in that regard. then even netflix works! |
Dex Cordell
EVE University Ivy League
16
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Posted - 2016.06.20 17:59:24 -
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Airi Cho wrote:Blade Darth wrote:Can we get some kind of in-game embeded window that would allow us to use our own default browser? Just isolate the window so no javascript leaks out...
Yes, the CCPBrowser is bad, but I use it all the time- checking market, posting d-scan, killboard, memes, and just for general browsing while warping at 1 au/s. Keeping 1 eye on local or d-scan and browsing stuff, can't really do it with alt-tabbing. 2nd monitor works wonders in that regard. then even netflix works!
right, I'm going to buy a second screen for only one thing I'd ever use it for. Not that there's already enough clutter on my desk as is. |
Caldranna
Let's annoy'em
1
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:00:20 -
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Firstly, you are removing a tool CCP that offers the following functionality without the necessity to "alt + tab": - access to DOTLAN maps, - access to Providence KOS checker, - access to Fleet Composition sharing sites, - access to Killboards for more intel, - access to Market Price checkers,
and I guess many more developed by the community which you CCP do not offer.
Secondly, you have already removed the clone grades. No fight gives the same adrenaline rush as before.
Thirdly, no jukebox. I have not really listened to EVE music since you removed the option which tracks I can listen to which took a nice feature out of eve. And no, I do not want to bother with out of game players for that.
Moreover, you wanted to be paid at a premium for SKINS and some apparel. Non of which a typical pvper really needs, but it is one of the things that contributes to killing what a great thing EVE was. Everything included in the subscription.
And now the camera gets stuck, EVE crashes like crazy, and you keep adding new content without taking care of previous bugs. I think you have been down that way before, have you not CCP?
Then in your Dev blog you wrote: "We are a games company and our focus is on making EVE as great a game as we can. Integrating a browser into the EVE client takes a fair amount of work to do and more importantly requires a certain level of upkeep." EVE is not a game if you remember. EVE was supposed to be a toy. By making a game out of EVE I hope you do get your player base extended, but I do not want to be part of it anymore.
I recently cancelled my subscriptions out of sort of boredom that I did not want to attribute to you directly CCP. Now you give me a reason to keep it that way. I wish you all the best CCP while secretly hoping you will focus on your player base instead of making the decissions of what is good for us players.
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l0rd carlos
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
1280
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:00:36 -
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Tyrindel Vaedrelin wrote:not safely while moving threw wormhole connections it will block sight from in game. a out of game map will get people killed needlessly
thats why every wh corps have moved away from apps like siggy to open source self hosted like pathfinder
You can make it smaller, like the ingame browser, and then say it's should be on top.
Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos
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Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
150
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:00:59 -
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Dex Cordell wrote:right, I'm going to buy a second screen for only one thing I'd ever use it for. Not that there's already enough clutter on my desk as is.
Trust me ... you will very quickly find more use cases for that. reading documentation on one screen while working on the other comes to mind. watching netflix and chatting on the other. so many things. you have no idea how quickly you get used to that. |
Dominous Nolen
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
194
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:07:11 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Dominous Nolen wrote:RIP IGB.. Honestly this has been expected for a long time, sad to see it happening though because it is useful in alot of ways (especially in wormhole space for mapping)
There is a new CREST resource for tracking a characters location which means that can be done from outside the client and no need for the IGB, :D
Thank Bob for multiple displays.
@dominousnolen
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GoodGreyer Ayderan
University of Caille Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:08:36 -
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Well this royally sucks.
I quite litterally using the IGB every day I play EVE. Dozens of times each play session.
As for Overwolf, all I know is that in the past (recent past) I've had to close Overwolf entirely, even without using Overwolf in Eve, because having it running in the background would make Eve graphics get all glitchy and especially mess with anti-aliasing for some reason.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2545
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:10:31 -
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So...
The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game. Which is great. The Overwolf browser does not have a bookmarks functionality. Which is great. XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works.
Any other suggestions?
UI Improvement Collective
My ridicule, heavy criticism and general pale outlook about your or CCP's ideas is nothing but an encouragement to prove me wrong. Give it a try.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4360
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:11:00 -
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GoodGreyer Ayderan wrote: Well this royally sucks.
I quite litterally using the IGB every day I play EVE. Dozens of times each play session.
As for Overwolf, all I know is that in the past (recent past) I've had to close Overwolf entirely, even without using Overwolf in Eve, because having it running in the background would make Eve graphics get all glitchy and especially mess with anti-aliasing for some reason.
Been using Overwolf myself for the past few months without an issue. Care to give it a try? I was also recently told about Evolve (https://www.evolvehq.com/welcome), so maybe give them a try?
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4360
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:11:25 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:So...
The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game. Which is great. The Overwolf browser does not have a bookmarks functionality. Which is great. XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works.
Any other suggestions?
Just heard about Evolve today: https://www.evolvehq.com/welcome
Have not tried it myself though.
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
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Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
150
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:11:29 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:So...
The Steam Overlay blocks you from playing the game. Which is great. The Overwolf browser does not have a bookmarks functionality. Which is great. XFire apparently is a wild hit and miss whether it works.
Any other suggestions?
2nd monitor ;) |
Cleanse Sin'led
Lonesome Capsuleer
0
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:11:38 -
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This is wierd, i've always been with CCP for any "revolutionary" changes they made over the last almost 2 years against all of the bittervet whining about their lost confort, but there.... this is a whole community part that will completly go away with this, not only those who can't afford technically or financially 2 screens (or more) but the whole thing players had together linking gif and all ...
So sad. |
gumbo innit
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:14:22 -
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The IGB was one of the standout features for me when I started playing this game, as surprising as that might be. That there was a browser you could use to build websites that properly interacted with the game was amazing to me. There is a whole world of player interaction that will be going away when this is removed.
Sure it was an old and crappy version of chrome and it did not support crazy new web features and debugging the JS was a massive PITA, but it was one of few in-game tools I used regularly. I can't say the same thing about the notepad or the calculator tool. There are out of game tools that do those better, so why are they still in the game?
I understand development priorities don't afford progression of the IGB, but I also can't help but feel that we are losing something great about this game with it gone. I hope Crest will eventually catch up in terms of lost functionality. Things like active ship details, opening in-game windows with pre-filled data/options, etc.
I am lucky enough to have a crazy computer, but I know plenty of people who play this game on a laptop in fullscreen, and they are about to have a lot less funny links to click in local, and have a much harder time managing market orders, contracts, SRP payments, etc. |
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising
151
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:16:16 -
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Cleanse Sin'led wrote:This is wierd, i've always been with CCP for any "revolutionary" changes they made over the last almost 2 years against all of the bittervet whining about their lost confort, but there.... this is a whole community part that will completly go away with this, not only those who can't afford technically or financially 2 screens (or more) but the whole thing players had together linking gif and all ...
So sad.
1. this was announced years ago that the IGB will die. but of course people wait until the last moment to look for alternatives
2. thank god the gif spam might get reduced by that. |
Nicholas Vierra
Jarlhettur's Drop
10
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:20:20 -
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Many Ingame browsers in general are not secured properly, or are simply thrown into a game as a convenience. The EVE Browser was not much better, and lacked support for a great deal of web content. The time wasted on the IGB is better put towards Crest and API.
Now, it would be cool to see an ingame window that displayed your default browser, or at least the OS Browser (MS Edge, Internet explorer, or Safari) however that may not be possible. It may lead to the same issues as CCP was dealing with before.
Crest is an evolving tool that will likely retain much of the functionality of the ingame browser, in addition to new features created by CCP and your corporate Developers. If there is a capability you would like to see, post it in one of the Features and Ideas threads on EVE Forums or your corporate forums.
As far as viewing out of game, I will note that likely over half of you own some sort of Tablet, iPad, Smartphone, Superphone, or iPhone that you probably have at or near your desk right now... Most of the tools are tied into your API, the second device may be able to address your concerns with Overlays and ALT Tabbing depending on what you need to use and how Crest and API's evolve over the next months!
Come and join us in Deninard!
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
378
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:20:37 -
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they spend a fortune making VR trinkets. yet still cant save the IGB...cause it requires work im going to be very careful how i spend my money on ccp games from now on.
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Zar Myx
New Eden Browncoats
7
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:21:57 -
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I will miss the IGB.
I was surprised there is much maintenance at all. Figured 99% of the code would have been managed by a company supplying browser plugin/control module of some sorts.
But I do agree, you should be focusing on the core of Eve and if the IGB was causing undue maintenance time, I guess it is time to move on. |
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l0rd carlos
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
1281
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:23:22 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:they spend a fortune making VR trinkets. yet still cant save the IGB...cause it requires work im going to be very careful how i spend my money on ccp games from now on.
learn 2 cost benefit analyse, scrub lord
Youtube Channel about Micro and Small scale PvP with commentary: Fleet Commentary by l0rd carlos
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Tweety Bird
Tackled In Belt xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
164
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:25:52 -
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ITT: Lots of space and IRL poors. |
Brian Harrelstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:28:49 -
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worst idea ever |
Pavlakakos
W.A.S.P Curatores Veritatis Alliance
36
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:35:29 -
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Total nerfing of gatecamp fleets..... Why join them when porn links and gifs can no more be appreciated? |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3538
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:36:07 -
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will there be a way how to disable the browser earlier? given how much of a security risk it is i would like to open all ingame links in my system browser. ("x open all links in external browser option" please)
and most importantly.. will we still have a picture viewer for gifs? ;)
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Huang Mo
Tianxia Inc Band of Boogers
113
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:36:24 -
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How about you keep IGB until CREST can provide the same features ?
One thing is that ALT-TABBING in and out of the game hurts immersion, but it's quite another thing to remove features that people rely on - like the Contracts interface
Some handwaving that it will be dealt with "in the future" is not enough. We know how that plays out: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5127183#post5127183 two years ago and nothing happened |
Caldranna
Let's annoy'em
3
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:41:53 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Of course they do. I want to see the map ingame, while I check other things and actually keep being able to check other things and do not have to alt-tab out of the game to check an external app. Like what kind of reasoning are you even using... Is there a reason you're unwilling to use an Overlay? The overlays that I just stated are inadequate? Is there a reason why CCP cannot manage to maintain an IGB while other game developers can? An overlay is inadequate but the IGB was not? How in the world does that make sense? Pretty much every overlay out there with a browser is years ahead of the IGB.
I don't think it's about being years ahead but keeping the basic functionality of what the IGB is used for and that makes a total sense. |
Caldranna
Let's annoy'em
4
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:48:23 -
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Airi Cho wrote:Caldranna wrote: CCP, you wrote that "To be clear CCP does not officially endorse or support overlays and therefor does not guarantee that they work or don't cause unexpected problems with the EVE Online client." How are we supposed to use something that you do not really support? Is it really that hard to keep the In Game Browser with its basic functionality that has been used for many years?
Just look at how often your normal browser vendors are updating the browser for security reasons. And they often change the browser in a way that to fix the integration into other applications, is not a small amount of work. IGB: "AppleWebKit/532.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/3.0.195.27 Safari/532.0 EVE-IGB" Chrome: "AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/51.0.2704.103 Safari/537.36" so from the looks this is a really really old version of the engine. for me ... instead of wasting resources on maintaining yet another browser on my system, i would rather see CREST improved, because that functionality is more useful for the community at large.
Well, for me earning money to pay subscription is a hard work too. I hope EVE will still be there when CREST functionality offers all the features IGB had without having to alt + tab. |
Oliver Ward
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
13
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:49:09 -
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With the IGB going away, is there any chance that you, CCP, would consider placing the music library up for download (after logging in and having a functional account, etc)? Steam has a pretty nice music library system that's accessed quite easily from the overlay, and it would be nice to put all the music in there for quick access. Basically, a replacement to the old Jukebox.
I know that most of the music is available on Soundcloud, but not all of it is, nor can all of it be downloaded (without using third-party browser add-ons, that is).
If there are concerns with bandwidth for all the downloading, you can always set it up as a torrent, which would help with the bandwidth, and might make it easier to add new music as it becomes available, as well. |
Blacksmoke16
Resilience.
16
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Posted - 2016.06.20 18:52:52 -
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@CCP FoxFour:
In the dev blog it mentions "Opening a specific contract" is available in CREST. Are there any docs on this endpoint? As i do not recall seeing this before. |
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