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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.16 15:14:42 -
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Just a quick note on some known CREST issues:
- Any killmail that involves a faction ID, especially relevant for FW kills since they all have a faction, are broken
- Setting waypoints only works 1 in 1 million times
- Same with opening market details
- Same with opening a specific contract
I wanted to get this fixed today, Thursday, but Friday is a day off here in Iceland and we don't like to do deployments on Fridays. Since tomorrow is a day off today is essentially a Friday since no one is in tomorrow. because of that these fixes are all scheduled to go out on Tuesday the 21st.
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Rear Admiral Barrington
Percussus Resurgo. Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2016.06.16 15:34:57 -
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But without the ability to compare epeens on ZKill, the whole of FW space is going to become a pacifist nightmare this weekend!
We'll all be holding hands and singing Kumbaya before Saturday is out! |
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons Hell's Pirates
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Posted - 2016.06.16 15:39:49 -
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That seems like it might be kind of a big deal. Not just because it will effect how some alliances reimburse their pilots who have lost ships and need their SRP.
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU. "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
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Lasisha Mishi
Imperial Guardians I N G L O R I O U S
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Posted - 2016.06.16 15:40:01 -
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Rear Admiral Barrington wrote:But without the ability to compare epeens on ZKill, the whole of FW space is going to become a pacifist nightmare this weekend!
We'll all be holding hands and singing Kumbaya before Saturday is out! grabs your hand
kumbaya~
(hehe, to late) |
Alexhandr Shkarov
Swamphole Inc. Swamphole
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Posted - 2016.06.16 15:46:46 -
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Tauren Tom wrote:That seems like it might be kind of a big deal. Not just because it will effect how some alliances reimburse their pilots who have lost ships and need their SRP.
OR, you know, you learn to farm your own money and not be lazy?
All my posts are on my personal title and should not be confused as me speaking for anyone else.
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Ohno no Borrox
xX-Crusader-Xx Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2016.06.16 15:48:46 -
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Man, I just love it when CCP paint a big target on their own backs.
So what you're telling us is that, although this issue has been in around for at least two days, it's taken you this long to get it fixed. Additionally you do not have enough confidence in the "fix" to deploy it anyway (if it is really fixed). Further, why do it Monday, so you can fix any more bugs in it that may jump out and bite you, when you can leave it until Tuesday when it will be lost in the pile of other things that go wrong - it's not like the users are customers or anything.
I really want to work there - it's just so customer focused |
Squizz Caphinator
Primary.
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Posted - 2016.06.16 15:58:54 -
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Rear Admiral Barrington wrote:But without the ability to compare epeens on ZKill, the whole of FW space is going to become a pacifist nightmare this weekend!
We'll all be holding hands and singing Kumbaya before Saturday is out!
I might have a fix in place that will get around this issue. Won't be able to implement until tomorrow morning though.
Various projects I enjoy putting my free time into:
http://zkillboard.com | http://evewho.com
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Xaroth Brook
Special Task Force Unit Bring Your Own Ship Stupid
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Posted - 2016.06.16 15:59:20 -
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Ohno no Borrox wrote:Man, I just love it when CCP paint a big target on their own backs.
So what you're telling us is that, although this issue has been in around for at least two days, it's taken you this long to get it fixed. Additionally you do not have enough confidence in the "fix" to deploy it anyway (if it is really fixed). Further, why do it Monday, so you can fix any more bugs in it that may jump out and bite you, when you can leave it until Tuesday when it will be lost in the pile of other things that go wrong - it's not like the users are customers or anything.
I really want to work there - it's just so customer focused
The fact they have the smarts to not deploy before a 3-day-weekend with nobody to fix bigger issues, proves how customer focused they are.
What would you rather, 3 ( 4 ) days of not having a few things, or risk not having all of CREST for the duration of that time?
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Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons Hell's Pirates
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Posted - 2016.06.16 16:30:17 -
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Xaroth Brook wrote:
The fact they have the smarts to not deploy before a 3-day-weekend with nobody to fix bigger issues, proves how customer focused they are.
What would you rather, 3 ( 4 ) days of not having a few things, or risk not having all of CREST for the duration of that time?
I'd take not having CREST at all. Because this is bringing back memories of the great game breaking of the Incursion/Revelations era
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU. "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
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Ohno no Borrox
xX-Crusader-Xx Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2016.06.16 16:35:49 -
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Xaroth Brook wrote:Ohno no Borrox wrote:Man, I just love it when CCP paint a big target on their own backs.
So what you're telling us is that, although this issue has been in around for at least two days, it's taken you this long to get it fixed. Additionally you do not have enough confidence in the "fix" to deploy it anyway (if it is really fixed). Further, why do it Monday, so you can fix any more bugs in it that may jump out and bite you, when you can leave it until Tuesday when it will be lost in the pile of other things that go wrong - it's not like the users are customers or anything.
I really want to work there - it's just so customer focused The fact they have the smarts to not deploy before a 3-day-weekend with nobody to fix bigger issues, proves how customer focused they are. What would you rather, 3 ( 4 ) days of not having a few things, or risk not having all of CREST for the duration of that time?
What I want (and in my job I'm expected to provide) is to get it right first time. In the event something is wrong, give the fix out as soon as possible, and to never lose sight of the customers. you seem to accept sloppy workmanship. Further, you don't address the issue of not getting the fix out on Monday |
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Analius Glover
Deep Space Travel Agency WiNGSPAN Delivery Network
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Posted - 2016.06.16 16:42:37 -
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What about the outstanding kills - will they update? |
Joseph Guillotine
CTRL-Q Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2016.06.16 17:16:47 -
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sad panda |
Cat Harkness
Twilight Labs Elemental Tide
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Posted - 2016.06.16 17:20:45 -
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Tauren Tom wrote:That seems like it might be kind of a big deal. Not just because it will effect how some alliances reimburse their pilots who have lost ships and need their SRP.
And how did they do that before CREST?
Cat Harkness
CEO
Twilight Labs
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Flying Squidwolf
Indigo Bank United Systems of Aridia
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Posted - 2016.06.16 17:25:46 -
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Processing insurance claims is going to be lots of fun this weekend |
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons Hell's Pirates
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Posted - 2016.06.16 17:30:22 -
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Cat Harkness wrote:Tauren Tom wrote:That seems like it might be kind of a big deal. Not just because it will effect how some alliances reimburse their pilots who have lost ships and need their SRP. And how did they do that before CREST?
When you work with a coalition, and it's coalition backed SRP, you need the external kill links. And since manual posting is a no go thanks to CREST implimentation in most sites.
Good luck getting the SRP folks to tolerate a fleet sending them individual killmails a well. If it was Corp or Alliance, not a big deal. Just coalition bs is bs.
In the grand scheme of things... You're all pubbies. So HTFU. "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses." - Elwood Blues
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Flying Squidwolf
Indigo Bank United Systems of Aridia
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Posted - 2016.06.16 18:00:39 -
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Tauren Tom wrote:Cat Harkness wrote:Tauren Tom wrote:That seems like it might be kind of a big deal. Not just because it will effect how some alliances reimburse their pilots who have lost ships and need their SRP. And how did they do that before CREST? When you work with a coalition, and it's coalition backed SRP, you need the external kill links. And since manual posting is a no go thanks to CREST implimentation in most sites. Good luck getting the SRP folks to tolerate a fleet sending them individual killmails a well. If it was Corp or Alliance, not a big deal. Just coalition bs is bs.
We run SRP as a third-party and need CREST Killmail links to work >_> |
dephekt
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2016.06.16 18:22:11 -
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Cat Harkness wrote:Tauren Tom wrote:That seems like it might be kind of a big deal. Not just because it will effect how some alliances reimburse their pilots who have lost ships and need their SRP. And how did they do that before CREST? That sentiment would be OK if CCP wasn't 100% the reason why third-party developers have switched many things to depend on CREST. |
Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.06.16 18:38:49 -
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Ohno no Borrox wrote:
What I want (and in my job I'm expected to provide) is to get it right first time. In the event something is wrong, give the fix out as soon as possible, and to never lose sight of the customers. you seem to accept sloppy workmanship. Further, you don't address the issue of not getting the fix out on Monday
Yes, I completely agree. The fact that a dev responded on the forums to let us know what was going on means they have lost all focus on us the players.
I don't know what exactly you do for a living, but you act as if mistakes have never happened.
Eve is well over a decade old. Crest in its current form is much newer, so you have a new system that is running off an old system that was designed by people who have long since left or forgotten what they did.
Crest is not an essential part of the game. Killmails are not essential and technically serve no purpose other than bragging rights.
Get off you high horse and give them a break. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.16 18:46:51 -
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Tauren Tom wrote:That seems like it might be kind of a big deal. Not just because it will effect how some alliances reimburse their pilots who have lost ships and need their SRP.
It does mean SRP for SOME killmails, to be clear a very small fraction of them, will be delayed. No data is lost however and maybe the SRP guys in my corp are just lazy but I usually have to wait a week or so for SRP anyways.
In most cases I think people have other ships ready to go and SRP just lets people get a replacement but doesn't stop them from flying other ships in their hanger. If for some reason a person doesn't have another ship and really needs that SRP as they don't have enough ISK to buy any more ships my hope is they are in a corp with some cool dudes who can lend them ISK. To be frank though, if an organisation cannot get by without SRP for a week they probably have bigger issues.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.16 18:51:49 -
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Ohno no Borrox wrote:Man, I just love it when CCP paint a big target on their own backs.
So what you're telling us is that, although this issue has been in around for at least two days, it's taken you this long to get it fixed. Additionally you do not have enough confidence in the "fix" to deploy it anyway (if it is really fixed). Further, why do it Monday, so you can fix any more bugs in it that may jump out and bite you, when you can leave it until Tuesday when it will be lost in the pile of other things that go wrong - it's not like the users are customers or anything.
I really want to work there - it's just so customer focused
God I wish that was a real rule around here... However since it is not I will leave you with this: https://youtu.be/sCNrK-n68CM?t=4337
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.16 18:52:54 -
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Squizz Caphinator wrote:Rear Admiral Barrington wrote:But without the ability to compare epeens on ZKill, the whole of FW space is going to become a pacifist nightmare this weekend!
We'll all be holding hands and singing Kumbaya before Saturday is out! I might have a fix in place that will get around this issue. Won't be able to implement until tomorrow morning though.
Color me intrigued. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.16 18:53:07 -
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Xaroth Brook wrote:Ohno no Borrox wrote:Man, I just love it when CCP paint a big target on their own backs.
So what you're telling us is that, although this issue has been in around for at least two days, it's taken you this long to get it fixed. Additionally you do not have enough confidence in the "fix" to deploy it anyway (if it is really fixed). Further, why do it Monday, so you can fix any more bugs in it that may jump out and bite you, when you can leave it until Tuesday when it will be lost in the pile of other things that go wrong - it's not like the users are customers or anything.
I really want to work there - it's just so customer focused The fact they have the smarts to not deploy before a 3-day-weekend with nobody to fix bigger issues, proves how customer focused they are. What would you rather, 3 ( 4 ) days of not having a few things, or risk not having all of CREST for the duration of that time?
Appreciate the understanding. :)
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.16 18:54:47 -
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Analius Glover wrote:What about the outstanding kills - will they be updated?
So long as it is not a killmail where someone is in a faction it should process as normal on zKB. If it does have a faction once the fix is deployed on Tuesday zKB will be able to process all the killmails they got that were broken.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.16 18:54:58 -
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Joseph Guillotine wrote:sad panda
Very sorry. :(
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.16 19:05:06 -
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Ohno no Borrox wrote:you don't address the issue of not getting the fix out on Monday
Assuming you want a real answer and are not trolling, which I will give the benefit of the doubt on here, I am happy to answer that.
Essentially we have a few branches at play in our source control. Lets call the first branch TQ. This branch is meant to be exactly the same code that is deployed to TQ at all times. Lets call our second branch staging. This is where all code goes for some testing and before going to the TQ branch.
I have deployed all the fixes to the staging branch and they have been tested and verified as fixed. However since they are not going out right away I have not ported them to the TQ branch. If I ported them to the TQ branch now and we didn't deploy them until Monday the TQ branch would NOT represent what TQ actually was. This may seem like a stupid little thing that makes no sense and is just delaying code going out but lets look at an example of why this is important.
Lets say I Saturday comes along and we find a critical issue in EVE. Maybe a security vulnerability or something. The issue is important enough that we call someone into the office, they make a fix in the TQ branch, take TQ down, and deploy the new build. Well now my code has gone out as well and I wasn't around. What if my code breaks something? What if my code interacts with the other fix in an odd way? Plenty of reasons to have that branch be clean.
So since I am not porting my code from staging to TQ until as close as possible to the point of us actually shipping it lets look at Monday. To get it in for Monday I have to submit the code the day before to the TQ branch so our automated builds and tests can run. The day before is a Sunday. Fortunately for me CCP is an awesome company that understands a work life balance and encourages us to not work on the weekends if at all possible.
TL;DR: No deployment on Monday because I like having a life and not working on a Sunday.
Hope that answers your question. :)
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dephekt
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2016.06.16 19:06:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Squizz Caphinator wrote:Rear Admiral Barrington wrote:But without the ability to compare epeens on ZKill, the whole of FW space is going to become a pacifist nightmare this weekend!
We'll all be holding hands and singing Kumbaya before Saturday is out! I might have a fix in place that will get around this issue. Won't be able to implement until tomorrow morning though. Color me intrigued. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Squizz Caphinator the hero we all need :P |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.06.16 19:53:38 -
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Xaroth Brook wrote:Ohno no Borrox wrote:Man, I just love it when CCP paint a big target on their own backs.
So what you're telling us is that, although this issue has been in around for at least two days, it's taken you this long to get it fixed. Additionally you do not have enough confidence in the "fix" to deploy it anyway (if it is really fixed). Further, why do it Monday, so you can fix any more bugs in it that may jump out and bite you, when you can leave it until Tuesday when it will be lost in the pile of other things that go wrong - it's not like the users are customers or anything.
I really want to work there - it's just so customer focused The fact they have the smarts to not deploy before a 3-day-weekend with nobody to fix bigger issues, proves how customer focused they are. What would you rather, 3 ( 4 ) days of not having a few things, or risk not having all of CREST for the duration of that time? Actually, as a paying customer I would have expected it to be fixed 2 days ago when it first came to light there was a problem but this is CCP. Customer service is not a consideration when it comes to, Devs having a long weekend..
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.16 20:05:35 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Xaroth Brook wrote:Ohno no Borrox wrote:Man, I just love it when CCP paint a big target on their own backs.
So what you're telling us is that, although this issue has been in around for at least two days, it's taken you this long to get it fixed. Additionally you do not have enough confidence in the "fix" to deploy it anyway (if it is really fixed). Further, why do it Monday, so you can fix any more bugs in it that may jump out and bite you, when you can leave it until Tuesday when it will be lost in the pile of other things that go wrong - it's not like the users are customers or anything.
I really want to work there - it's just so customer focused The fact they have the smarts to not deploy before a 3-day-weekend with nobody to fix bigger issues, proves how customer focused they are. What would you rather, 3 ( 4 ) days of not having a few things, or risk not having all of CREST for the duration of that time? Actually, as a paying customer I would have expected it to be fixed 2 days ago when it first came to light there was a problem but this is CCP. Customer service is not a consideration when it comes to, Devs having a long weekend..
Yup! Better a company work their employees into the ground, burn them out, break the local laws (max hours per week, the contract signed about working hours/days, etc.), and generally make their employees miserable and less productive. That always solves ALL the problems.
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Edd Reynolds
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2016.06.16 20:07:07 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Xaroth Brook wrote:Ohno no Borrox wrote:Man, I just love it when CCP paint a big target on their own backs.
So what you're telling us is that, although this issue has been in around for at least two days, it's taken you this long to get it fixed. Additionally you do not have enough confidence in the "fix" to deploy it anyway (if it is really fixed). Further, why do it Monday, so you can fix any more bugs in it that may jump out and bite you, when you can leave it until Tuesday when it will be lost in the pile of other things that go wrong - it's not like the users are customers or anything.
I really want to work there - it's just so customer focused The fact they have the smarts to not deploy before a 3-day-weekend with nobody to fix bigger issues, proves how customer focused they are. What would you rather, 3 ( 4 ) days of not having a few things, or risk not having all of CREST for the duration of that time? Actually, as a paying customer I would have expected it to be fixed 2 days ago when it first came to light there was a problem but this is CCP. Customer service is not a consideration when it comes to, Devs having a long weekend..
Yes, because bugs don't take any time to fix. And it's not like CCP need to test those fixes to make sure that they actually fix the problem and don't break something else.
And at the end of the day, this is a job for CCP-ers. A job many of them are passionate about, sure, but we can only expect so much of them, even as paying customers. And asking someone to work in their own time to deliver a fix for what is essentially an inconvenience to you? **** that entitlement.
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Ayuren Aakiwa
Sudden Death. Exodus.
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Posted - 2016.06.16 20:35:23 -
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Ohno no Borrox wrote:Man, I just love it when CCP paint a big target on their own backs.
So what you're telling us is that, although this issue has been in around for at least two days, it's taken you this long to get it fixed. Additionally you do not have enough confidence in the "fix" to deploy it anyway (if it is really fixed). Further, why do it Monday, so you can fix any more bugs in it that may jump out and bite you, when you can leave it until Tuesday when it will be lost in the pile of other things that go wrong - it's not like the users are customers or anything.
I really want to work there - it's just so customer focused
mate do you honestly care that much about looking at a killboard? You should go outside or maybe even just upstairs I'm sure your mom misses you (she told me so last night) |
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