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Achilles Thorongmor
Ars Caelestis
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Posted - 2007.03.02 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:45:36 Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:42:59 Hello pilots,
IÆve decided to reveal some things that may seem shocking to a lot of you. As you all know, I recently took my leave from Ars Caelestis. As you also know, IÆm being labeled a corp thief and traitor. After a week or so of thinking, IÆve decided to reveal the true nature of Ars Caelestis and its members. In the beginning, there was a corp. It was called Ars Tribunus. It was started by a member of the online computer site, Ars Technica. The corp was formed exclusively for members of the Ars Technica community, which are referred to as Arsians. Ars Tribunus was to be an entry level corp with no ill intent towards anyone. Its members were able to mine, rat, and just hang out in general. Shortly after this corps birth, the CEO went AWOL. The corp was in turmoil. As a ôsenior memberö and leader in Ars Tribunus, I was voted in as CEO of the new Ars corp, Ars Caelestis. So the corp was formed and quickly filled with likeminded Arsians. There was a twist though.
Shortly after forming, several things happened. First, the Guiding Hand Social Club incident of lore took place. Second, the realization of the membership that we were WAY behind the power curve and that all the high sp players, T2 BPOÆs, and ISK were already in major corps and alliances. And third, the membership of the corp was vastly formed by people working in the IT community. ArsC also contained a large amount of people working in the Psychology field, which proved to be very useful. We also took note of the Something Awful crew, known to most of you as the Goons. They werenÆt exactly playing the game ôrightö, and were considered cheaters of sorts. That interested us. So, we made a decision. ArsC would become a different sort of corp. We would become a destroyer of alliances, but not with guns and ships. We would take down alliances from the inside. There was a problem though. WeÆd have to help other alliances out to kill the alliance we wanted dead. So our backup was to always infiltrate the alliance we were helping also. That may come to a shock to those weÆve helped.
So we created a list of things that we should strive for and use to kill whatever alliance we were in. It goes something like this:
1.Only join alliances that were heavy users of forums. Get at least one members into an admin capacity asap. Once there, give members access to leadership and restricted section of the forum. Once inside, members were to obtain as much vital information as possible 2.Get members into admin roles on whatever voice server said alliance used. Admit members of opposing alliances into the voice server under non-threatening names. Once there, the enemy would have a distinct advantage in any battle. 3.Place alts in every corp in the alliance to further funnel Intel. 4.Place alts in leadership positions in the alliance and in the individual corps. If possible, attempt to funnel money and assets away from the corps. Use fake logs and screens to blame other players in said corps, further causing a rift between members. 5.Seed discontent where possible. This was done mainly by raising issues and causing internal strife, while attempting to make it look like we were the victims. 6.Make contacts in enemy alliances with alts and funnel all Intel to their leadership. Sit back and watch as every battle is lost and the alliance falls apart. 7.Rinse and repeat.
Now, this was much more time consuming than we first thought. Our alts would have to appear as normal players in the alliance corps, so we had to have them logged in, even AFK, almost 23/7. We also ran into problems with the new player tracking tools in Revelations. Being able to see where a player last logged in or out caused us problems. Before we could have the alts spread all over Eve, but with player tracking we had to keep them in a place that would seem normal to said corps leadership.
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Achilles Thorongmor
Ars Caelestis
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Posted - 2007.03.02 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:47:27
Now, another major operating procedure was to use propaganda to appear innocent. We did this in multiple ways. First, we condemned piracy. Second, we condemned the GHSC. We had a strict non-smack policy in place as well. Tessa Vaako, my COO, was the main person in charge of propaganda and misdirection. His skill at staying ôneutralö and coming off as the good guy were extremely useful. At one point people actually started joking about us being ôThe Killer of Alliancesö. You can imagine my surprise when I saw that, but we were able to spin it into a joke and I think it actually helped take eyes off of us.
Ok, onto our kills:
Huzzah - This was too easy. It was an up and coming alliance that relied heavily on forums. We got members into every corp in the alliance. We also got a couple members, one named Steve Dave, into administrative positions on the forum. I was quickly made one of the highest ranking FCÆs and given an alt in the Executor Corp. All the key intel was collected daily and passed to enemy alliances. We also used the forums to rip Huzzah apart. Ask any ex-member of Huzzah. We shredded that alliance from the inside with well placed posts. We caused major rifts, had members wrongfully kicked as pirates and thieves, and even got one of the better corps to attempt a merger with us. Once merged, we quickly caused major strife with the members, and they ended up breaking from the alliance and become pirates. You know them now as Evisceration. In the end Huzzah was torn to bits, and 90% of the strife was thanks to us.
ASCN - After Huzzah, we decided to go for a really big fish. We got agents into forum admin positions and TS admin slots. Alts were placed in every corp in ASCN. I believe most of them are still in the corps that broke from ASCN, so beware. Anyway, we managed to get some key directors into position and began funneling money. Once BoB attacked fully, we got them all the intel and access to the ASCN TS channels. Battle after battle, ASCN couldnÆt understand why BoB always knew when and where to strike. They knew because we told them. Then came the Titan kill. We had multiple members in the gang with CYVOK. When he crashed/logged, we immediately got in contact with BoB leadership and got the probers in to find the Titan. The rest is history. Shortly after the Titan kill, ASCN was dead. Now we need another target.
Curse Alliance - Upon talking to some alliance leaders, I came across XirtamVotf. In our TS conversation, he kept mentioning something ôbigö. After talking to some other members in what was then IMP, we concluded that Xirtam was going to bring back the Curse Alliance. That was something we felt would be a challenge to kill. We also knew CAÆs connections with RA and Goons, and the thought of taking down all 3 alliances was just too much to pass up. We quickly joined up and began getting agents into position. Problem with CA is that they donÆt have a very active forum. So most of our intel would have to be taken from TS, as it was their main way of communicating. We quickly got 2 people into admin positions on the TS server. Myself, and Fabienne Runestar. For some reason Xirtam took a shining to Fabienne, so we used that to our advantage. If you search the forums, you will see that Fabienne recently got promoted to head mouthpiece for CA, a major triumph early on for us. Fabienne is the key to taking down CA as he has XirtamÆs full trust. We even added fire to the LV vs. CA fire by using a known bug to stir things up. We volunteered to put up a foothold POS in one of LVÆs main systems. By not setting a shield password, the POS allowed LV to shoot into the shields. We scored some nice CA kills and got LV in trouble with that one.
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Achilles Thorongmor
Ars Caelestis
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Posted - 2007.03.02 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:55:25
After going through 2 alliances and working on a 3rd, I woke up one day and was just burned out. I actually wanted to play Eve a little, and not play the subterfuge game so much. During my last week as CEO of ArsC, there were a few major clashes. At one point, Tessa Vaako and Fabienne Runestar threatened to lead a mutiny against me. Of course I wasnÆt going to let that happen, and since I was at the point of not caring, I pulled my final scam. I removed all roles, emptied corp hangars and wallet, and locked down all the POS. I then jumped a carrier and dread to empire full of stuff. Once 24 hours were over, I kicked everyone from the corp and that ended our reign of terror. I mean really everything we had, isk and assets, was all stolen. I recently gave a 3 day old nub player in Jita 17 billion isk, and have now pretty much stopped playing Eve. After reading the forums, it would appear that my members have formed a new corp to carry on the alliance slaying. Ars Ex Discordia. I figure they are diligently working on taking down CA at this point, and probably have agents in both RA and Goons.
I wouldnÆt say my time as CEO of ArsC was wasted. We took down 2 major alliances and changed the face of Eve. Most will be sickened by our actions, but Eve is currently run by the giants, and the only way to kill them is from within. It saddens me that that ArsC imploded in the end. It also saddens me that my members were so quick to turn on me, but I think ôNo honor among thievesö rings true here. I mean, what could I expect? And they should have seen my vanishing act coming as well. Anyway, hope you enjoyed the read. I have sold most of my characters and donÆt play much anymore. Obviously I still have Achilles, as IÆm still liquidating things from the corp. If I taught my corp right, they will have a massive cover story and will denounce this post from the onset. My only regret is that we never got to take out the Allianc that was our ôGolden Ringö. Band of Brothers. We actually attempted to get in, and got offered a slave spot in their space, but that wasnÆt good enough. I honestly feel in a year or so we would have been in BoB, and that would have been the ultimate kill.
In the end this all got to me. Constant lying, watching people quit Eve as the game wasnÆt fun to them anymore, and just not being able to actually play the game. IÆll contribute my recent actions to being massively burned out and just sick of the game. But, after all, it is just a game. I could really care less about Eve at this point, but since my ex-members see fit to wage a propaganda war, I feel I should do everyone a favor on my way out. YouÆve been warned. Believe me or donÆt. Feel free to take your chances, but donÆt be surprised when things start going horribly wrong. Watch your bank accounts and careful of the alts. Also keep a sharp eye on your TS channels. I can say one thing about the ArsC/Ars Ex Discordia pilots. They are very good at what they do.
I'll go down as a tyrant. But it was fun.
-Achilles
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.03.02 19:45:00 -
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Good job... its always fun to hear these behind the scene stories.
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.03.02 19:49:00 -
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I read this carefully and I get the distinct impression you are trying to take credit for a lot of high profile / pivotal events in EvE's history.
I don't think I quite believe you. Although that may work to your advantage
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:01:00 -
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Proof or STFU?
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Pierre Jacquemein
A Place for Valen Serenus Letum
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:02:00 -
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Can I have your carrier?
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Ahiro'ken
Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:02:00 -
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You've taken so much already, and now you taken my breath away.
What amuses me most is how quickly ars has moved on without you, and you will not be missed. Create whatever legacy you want for yourself on the forums but in game the truth is very clear.
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yrlbrk
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:03:00 -
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well ya fooled me
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Gen Maton
Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:03:00 -
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You're a sad man Achilles.
You finally got fed up with the entire corp membership not following your every whim. In your delusional state you thought ArsC had strength because of you. On the contrary, we had strength because of our members (and despite you).
We began to not jump every time you said jump and now you try and destroy our entire group of pilots. It's not enough that you stole our assets and our name, now you try and destroy the pilots too. To think, I once respected you.
Achilles is so full of himself and delusional in how big he thinks he is. Almost every word he posted above is a lie. He is still trying to "pay back" those who "ruined" Eve for him by not following his every word. Sad.
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yrlbrk
The Syndicate Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:04:00 -
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sorry forgot to put corp/allaince
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Pierre Jacquemein
A Place for Valen Serenus Letum
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:05:00 -
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Proof would be very handy right about now, but either way, it's a great story.
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Culmen
Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:06:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 02/03/2007 20:03:21 This seems to be a big claim im in no position to comment on huzzah or CA but i can talk about ASCN
and only 2 things are provable
you guys were in the gang with cyvok and you guys gave out TS passwords
the first one, you werent needed bob did it to D2 without you
the latter was easy as all hell heck any of the thousands of hobbits could have done that
of course you've done nothing to prove eighter
the rest might as well be ego inflation i think you seriously over estimate your "sowing seeds of discontent" it takes alot more then a few forum posts to rip an alliance apart even if they're written by PHDs in propaganda pyschology _____________________________________________________
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Gen Maton
Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Gen Maton on 02/03/2007 20:04:28 nm
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Nohl
Faugh a Ballagh
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Pierre Jacquemein ... but either way, it's a great story.
Sadly... happily, depends on who you are... that's all it is. This is nothing more than delusions of grandeur from a guy that just couldn't ever be what he wanted to be.
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:11:00 -
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Edited by: Drakma on 02/03/2007 20:07:41
Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch I read this carefully and I get the distinct impression you are trying to take credit for a lot of high profile / pivotal events in EvE's history.
I'm inclined to agree
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Falcione
Mortis Angelus Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:11:00 -
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Haha, that's hilarious. Wouldn't it be ironic if the noob you gave all that money to was one of your enemy's alts
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Pierre Jacquemein
A Place for Valen Serenus Letum
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 02/03/2007 20:03:21 i think you seriously over estimate your "sowing seeds of discontent" it takes alot more then a few forum posts to rip an alliance apart even if they're written by PHDs in propaganda pyschology
Think of the role forums (even this one) have played in all the bad press CCP has been getting for using dev tools to allow BoB to become more powerful. Not only does it anger many, many people that this happened, but it also causes a great of us to wonder whether they are coming completely clean here or if they are admitting as little as possible to save face.
Now consider how things like would affect an alliance. There is a reason that so many countries' governments are in control of the media.
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zwiss
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:13:00 -
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What a load of rubbish. Huzzah was destroyed by being massively outclassed by -A- and lacking any kind of capital ship fleet. In fact I believe ArsC had already left by the time the end came, making no difference whatsoever to the final outcome.
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Leere
Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:13:00 -
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wow, you sure did soil the good name of this here internet space guild. |
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Tessa Vaako
Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:17:00 -
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**Front Page Reservation for Rebuttal and clarification by current Ars ex Discordia CEO and ex-Ars Caelestis 2nd in command. --
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Chronus26
Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: ScreamingLord Sutch I read this carefully and I get the distinct impression you are trying to take credit for a lot of high profile / pivotal events in EvE's history.
I don't think I quite believe you. Although that may work to your advantage
Agreed. Nice story, but to me it's just a final attempt by a failed CEO to leave his mark on the world. Better luck next time. -----
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:17:00 -
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Smells like a load of garbage to me.
Quote: Now, this was much more time consuming than we first thought.
You thought the listed goals wouldn't be extremely time consuming? Either you're completely stupid, or this whole thing is a lie. Pick one.
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YourMain
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pierre Jacquemein
Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 02/03/2007 20:03:21 i think you seriously over estimate your "sowing seeds of discontent" it takes alot more then a few forum posts to rip an alliance apart even if they're written by PHDs in propaganda pyschology
Think of the role forums (even this one) have played in all the bad press CCP has been getting for using dev tools to allow BoB to become more powerful. Not only does it anger many, many people that this happened, but it also causes a great of us to wonder whether they are coming completely clean here or if they are admitting as little as possible to save face.
Now consider how things like would affect an alliance. There is a reason that so many countries' governments are in control of the media.
you are mistaking the symptom for the cause
the bob/dev misconduct issue was the result of months of pressure building up under the scenes you cant point to any certain set of threads or posts and say "this caused people to hate CCP"
like wise any post these guys made would have had at most, the effect of allowing people to vent their aggravation at ASCN
and let me tell you, theres been glaring reason for people to hate CCP and theres been glaring reason for people to hate ASCN
and we didnt need any threads to tell us that
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Semtex'o
Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Achilles Thorongmor Edited by: Achilles Thorongmor on 02/03/2007 19:55:25 In the end this all got to me. Constant lying, watching people quit Eve as the game wasnÆt fun to them anymore, and just not being able to actually play the game. IÆll contribute my recent actions to being massively burned out and just sick of the game. But, after all, it is just a game. I could really care less about Eve at this point, but since my ex-members see fit to wage a propaganda war, I feel I should do everyone a favor on my way out. YouÆve been warned. Believe me or donÆt. Feel free to take your chances, but donÆt be surprised when things start going horribly wrong. Watch your bank accounts and careful of the alts. Also keep a sharp eye on your TS channels. I can say one thing about the ArsC/Ars Ex Discordia pilots. They are very good at what they do.
I'll go down as a tyrant. But it was fun.
-Achilles
The reason you got sick of the game is because you never actually played the game you only ruined other peoples fun.
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Shiv Katall
Minmatar Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:21:00 -
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This is one of the saddest attempts I have ever seen in EVE for someone to try to get recognition. The difference between GHSC and you is that, their story is not fabricated. Yours is nothing but. Do keep trying though, it makes us laugh all the more.
How awesome are you Achilles?
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Pierre Jacquemein
A Place for Valen Serenus Letum
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tessa Vaako **Front Page Reservation for Rebuttal and clarification by current Ars ex Discordia CEO and ex-Ars Caelestis 2nd in command.
That's the thing about such inflammatory statements as the ones made by Achilles. Whether you make a rebuttal or not the damage to your reputation has been done (that's way slander and libel are illegal in real-life).
I'm not saying I completely believe him. But to be honest, without proof I won't believe either of you.
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Sathrai
No Quarter. C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: zwiss Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:17:03 Edited by: zwiss on 02/03/2007 20:15:56 What a load of rubbish. Huzzah was destroyed by being massively outclassed by -A- and lacking any kind of capital ship fleet. In fact I believe ArsC had already left by the time the end came, making no difference whatsoever to the final outcome.
I've been in five now-defunct alliances and I can safely say that Huzzah's forum activity was incredibly tame, and nothing out of the ordinary for a large alliance. It certainly didn't rip anything apart.
Zwiss is pretty much spot on here. Even if ArsC was screwing around with us internally, our nigh-absolute lack of any sort of capital fleet was a deferred death sentence anyways - just a matter of time until somebody cashed in on it.
Although we do know that the ArsC guys ran off with a bunch of Huzzah isk!
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Dr Jennifer
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Jennifer on 02/03/2007 20:23:05 edited
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Azzkikur Ayers
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:28:00 -
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So wait, let me get this straight.
1) You steal all of your corps assets, BPOs and wallet. (Or at least attempt to steal it all, I heard you did a pretty bad job of it.)
2) You turn your back on everyone who helped you over the past 1.5 years.
3) You try to destroy the hard work and good time of other people.
And then come to the Eve-O boards and tell a tale and expect other people to actually believe it? If that's not a sign of insanity, I don't know what is.
Let's face facts, Steve. You're a control freak who got fed up with not getting your way 100% of the time. You're a dishonest person both ingame and out. But worst of all, I think you're a truly miserable human being who's lashing out at others and not knowing why.
And for that, you have my eternal pity.
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