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Darth Zion
Minmatar Deltaflux Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 02/03/2007 13:05:41
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Apple Boy razor currently has the station in it's control. POS spam warfare or POS sieging is possibly going to start for station ping pong. Only time will tell what BoB plans on doing.
So Razor will be doing the POS spamming, and BOB doing the POS seiging?
Was the other way around last night, fanboi.
Razor are destroying POS's? or did sov magically change long enuff for to shoot the station?
Seriously, just stop being such a fanboi and rejoin BoB so we don't have to read your stream of smack.
By saying, that asking about how you achieved sov is smack, you are the one infering that there was something, you or others would see as "shameful" in the methods..
so you should consider which of us is actually smacking Razor
Mmmm, considering who you are and who you were associated with, one could understand why such a question could be interpreted as smack. It's a loaded question and somehow I have a feeling you know that. So please stop trying to play these little games on the forum and do what a previous poster has stated, go back to BoB.
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sci0gon
Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: ACHURA CALDARIAN well beofre looking to only bobs killboard ls check the other alliances killborads aswell to see a correct situation on DD ing the fleet and then logging of may be seen as a victory if u look only to bobs killboard but if u can look to coalition and versus killboard wholely you can see that there are more then what u are trying to show off both sides are doing good what they have to do and time will show who will do his job well no cheers here because its a little step on future advances time and both sides working on stuffs will show what will be as fredo says its early to yell yeah we win nor for the ones you wont according to BOB's killboard
yea that does seem like a good idea but from the drama on these boards not to long ago didnt BoB kill D2's titan??
from looking at bobs boards i can see it was done on the 16th of feb 07 @ 18:07, where WOTANKN lost his erebus but on the D2 boards it does not show that
CCP should have their own killboard site where the kills made on tranq are automatically updated to save on this. it would then allow more time for pew pew and less moaning in these boards. It would also allow for a fair view to be made on the current battle situation that you guys are currently in.
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sci0gon
Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: ACHURA CALDARIAN well beofre looking to only bobs killboard ls check the other alliances killborads aswell to see a correct situation on DD ing the fleet and then logging of may be seen as a victory if u look only to bobs killboard but if u can look to coalition and versus killboard wholely you can see that there are more then what u are trying to show off both sides are doing good what they have to do and time will show who will do his job well no cheers here because its a little step on future advances time and both sides working on stuffs will show what will be as fredo says its early to yell yeah we win nor for the ones you wont according to BOB's killboard
yea that does seem like a good idea but from the drama on these boards not to long ago didnt BoB kill D2's titan??
from looking at bobs boards i can see it was done on the 16th of feb 07 @ 18:07, where WOTANKN lost his erebus but on the D2 boards it does not show that
CCP should have their own killboard site where the kills made on tranq are automatically updated to save on this. it would then allow more time for pew pew and less moaning in these boards. It would also allow for a fair view to be made on the current battle situation that you guys are currently in.
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Apple Boy
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:20:00 -
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BoB beating us in querious? the only time BoB has shown any _presence_ here, let alone a fight is when they come en mass in cap ships to take out a POS or to put one up. Very rarely are there any other battles. I'm addicted to eve and come on a lot, don't really see any of them. It's mostly fix, and they've been mostly dying.
look at the killboard, last time BoB got a kill on us was the 25th, how can we be loosing if they're not here fighting us?
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Apple Boy
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:20:00 -
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BoB beating us in querious? the only time BoB has shown any _presence_ here, let alone a fight is when they come en mass in cap ships to take out a POS or to put one up. Very rarely are there any other battles. I'm addicted to eve and come on a lot, don't really see any of them. It's mostly fix, and they've been mostly dying.
look at the killboard, last time BoB got a kill on us was the 25th, how can we be loosing if they're not here fighting us?
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thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Zion Mmmm, considering who you are and who you were associated with, one could understand why such a question could be interpreted as smack. It's a loaded question and somehow I have a feeling you know that. So please stop trying to play these little games on the forum and do what a previous poster has stated, go back to BoB.
Since you dont know me, i rather doubt you have great insight into my associations.
The only silly games i see, are various forum users continuing to flame me, off-topic. I asked a simple question based on the evidence i had to hand. If you consider it loaded, well answer it carefully, ignoring the topic and flaming a poster isnt the way to deal with such questions.. not if you want look like it was out of place.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB) |
RaBbLe66
Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: RaBbLe66 on 02/03/2007 16:49:41
Quote: Which could mean that once RAGOON+allies wrap up LV space, they can come rolling west to open up
With the movement of LV to Stain this may come quicker than anyone realises- A friend in IAC informed me that last night a large convoy of freindly Freighters and fighting ships travelled through their space from Curse towards Delve. Today I took a trip up through NOL and beyond and certainly there were a number of Pandemic Legion and Curse Alliance guys (Southern Coalition) already in the area.
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RaBbLe66
Amarr Amarr Dissidents Club
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Posted - 2007.03.02 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: RaBbLe66 on 02/03/2007 16:49:41
Quote: Which could mean that once RAGOON+allies wrap up LV space, they can come rolling west to open up
With the movement of LV to Stain this may come quicker than anyone realises- A friend in IAC informed me that last night a large convoy of freindly Freighters and fighting ships travelled through their space from Curse towards Delve. Today I took a trip up through NOL and beyond and certainly there were a number of Pandemic Legion and Curse Alliance guys (Southern Coalition) already in the area.
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djNME
DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:05:00 -
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These forums are funny.
This war is bringing us all what we want;fights.What we play eve for;fights.So I understand people wanting to get info and posting questions. Though some of you are just laughable with your posts. The "North" has tons of targets and we love it.I love it; DAB loves it; RZR loves it.It's simple really.See you out there.
djNME
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Darth Zion
Minmatar Deltaflux Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Darth Zion Mmmm, considering who you are and who you were associated with, one could understand why such a question could be interpreted as smack. It's a loaded question and somehow I have a feeling you know that. So please stop trying to play these little games on the forum and do what a previous poster has stated, go back to BoB.
Since you dont know me, i rather doubt you have great insight into my associations.
The only silly games i see, are various forum users continuing to flame me, off-topic. I asked a simple question based on the evidence i had to hand. If you consider it loaded, well answer it carefully, ignoring the topic and flaming a poster isnt the way to deal with such questions.. not if you want look like it was out of place..
LOL, 'since you don't know me'.. love that line. Please stop pretending to be innocent here. I love it when people like you try to take this nice 'I'm neutral, just asking a simple question' stance on the forums. Like I said, we all 'know' who you are and who you were with, so stop playing these silly games. Nevertheless, I do like your attempt on taking the high road on this.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Faaip De Oiad
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Skoot I was under the impresion that you have to kill ships to win a war ( ASCN FTW ) .
sorry to say this - but ...
this is sooooo 2006 (or was it 2005?)
if you're fighting a dedicated opposition in a terretorial conflict the only way to win is by killing POSes - ships can easily be replaced (as long the economic structures works), but sovereignity about a station system can't. ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Darken Two
Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Darth Zion Mmmm, considering who you are and who you were associated with, one could understand why such a question could be interpreted as smack. It's a loaded question and somehow I have a feeling you know that. So please stop trying to play these little games on the forum and do what a previous poster has stated, go back to BoB.
Since you dont know me, i rather doubt you have great insight into my associations.
The only silly games i see, are various forum users continuing to flame me, off-topic. I asked a simple question based on the evidence i had to hand. If you consider it loaded, well answer it carefully, ignoring the topic and flaming a poster isnt the way to deal with such questions.. not if you want look like it was out of place..
Thoth, I don't think it's your question that has people flaming you...it is the way you asked it, using the word "Magically" would imnply something fishy going on in what RZR did and thats prolly whats got people riled up.
Perhaps next time you should just ask the question straight
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Habraka
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Skoot
Well , im looking at bob kb and the northern entities since the war started .
As far as i can tell you , you havent managed to score a single victory versus bob . Are you guys suffering from the ASCN syndrome ?
Only "victories" BoB had so far in Querious are when they use the Doomsday Device. In fact, last time they "won" an engagement in Querious they had to use two Titans with Doomsday. The Coalition controls upper Querious, only now and then there's a 5 man FIX gatecamp in 3-F.
Regarding POS 'spammage', the Coalition has been busy and still is with destroying Allied Starbases in Querious, not just in 9CG or ED-. BoB put up a large tower in 9CG last night, we immediately got a fleet together, even though our numbers were very low, and we started pounding the POS with roughly 10-15 bs's. Now, if you know anything about POS, then you'll know that hitting a large tower with only 10 bs's takes ages, especially when you have a hostile mothership in said POS.
Anyone saying the Coalition isn't progressing in Querious obviously isn't near the region, come down and see for yourself who's winning the war.
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thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Darth Zion Mmmm, considering who you are and who you were associated with, one could understand why such a question could be interpreted as smack. It's a loaded question and somehow I have a feeling you know that. So please stop trying to play these little games on the forum and do what a previous poster has stated, go back to BoB.
Since you dont know me, i rather doubt you have great insight into my associations.
The only silly games i see, are various forum users continuing to flame me, off-topic. I asked a simple question based on the evidence i had to hand. If you consider it loaded, well answer it carefully, ignoring the topic and flaming a poster isnt the way to deal with such questions.. not if you want look like it was out of place..
Thoth, I don't think it's your question that has people flaming you...it is the way you asked it, using the word "Magically" would imnply something fishy going on in what RZR did and thats prolly whats got people riled up.
Perhaps next time you should just ask the question straight
Possibly, if it was, it was a misunderstanding.. that was just to highlight the adamance from zimi that they didnt spam.. when sofar dispite the repeated flaming, it looks very much like they did..
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Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Habraka
Originally by: Skoot
Well , im looking at bob kb and the northern entities since the war started .
As far as i can tell you , you havent managed to score a single victory versus bob . Are you guys suffering from the ASCN syndrome ?
Only "victories" BoB had so far in Querious are when they use the Doomsday Device. In fact, last time they "won" an engagement in Querious they had to use two Titans with Doomsday. The Coalition controls upper Querious, only now and then there's a 5 man FIX gatecamp in 3-F.
Regarding POS 'spammage', the Coalition has been busy and still is with destroying Allied Starbases in Querious, not just in 9CG or ED-. BoB put up a large tower in 9CG last night, we immediately got a fleet together, even though our numbers were very low, and we started pounding the POS with roughly 10-15 bs's. Now, if you know anything about POS, then you'll know that hitting a large tower with only 10 bs's takes ages, especially when you have a hostile mothership in said POS.
Anyone saying the Coalition isn't progressing in Querious obviously isn't near the region, come down and see for yourself who's winning the war.
I unloaded 4.5k of small antimatter into that pos, did it finally go into reinforced?
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bulabuba
Gallente Klima Galactic
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Posted - 2007.03.02 17:51:00 -
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First of all, congrats to Razor for not only taking sov, but managing not to succumb to the temptation to be a-holes about it in public. You've done more than BoB could do if you do nothing but that.
Secondly, most of the posters here are either clueless, or miss the point entirely. The northerners don't have to win here. They just have to keep BoB and their vassels spread out for a while. They know it, and BoB knows it. It would make no sense at all for them expend wads of isk and resources on a full scale assult at this time.
Real Soon Now(tm) BoB is going to be facing the same thing that LV has been facing, and they aren't going to fare much better. Right now, the undeniable truth is that big numbers > big guns in Eve. I'm sure it won't always be that way, but it is right now. When the 1000 man fleets come knocking, neither big skill nor big skill points nor big ships will save BoB. Short of lag and node crashes disappearing miraculously and just in time, BoB's days are numbered.
You can say all you want to about it being lame or unfair or what-have-you, but the simple truth is that you have to play the game as you find it, or go home. BoB always has. That's the way they got big, and that's the way they'll be taken down. This chapter will end, and another will begin. So it goes. -----------------------------------------------
Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No.
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fugazii
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Skoot Guys are you out of your minds , if i doubt some words from a north alliance member i get myself as a bob alt pet slave whatever ...
I was trying to understand how some of the RZR guys are claiming "either way we win" when they and the rest of the people who try to get 9cg where not able to score a single victory over BOB . I was under the impresion that you have to kill ships to win a war ( ASCN FTW ) .
Anyway im out of this nonsense forums , wondering how far this histeria will go
bob can win every engagement but if they cant hold the stations, none of thier wins mean anything. you need to realize war is no longer about who is the better pvp'r but who has the most isk and will to pos spam.
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 02/03/2007 14:16:09
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 02/03/2007 14:06:56
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic You're just a fanboi
fond of this "insult" arent you.. why do you assume that everyone that doesnt hold your opinions is automatically a "fanboi" of your enemy?
when you called me it.. did you actually consider that if i was such a hugh fan of BOB, i might still be in BOB rather than leaving as i have?
tbh you should keep your mindless attempts at insults to yourself..
If it doesn't fit you then I apologize. Unfortunately, I've found that in most cases, it fits the person dispensing misinformation.
Your a fanboi? Since you have been dispensing misinformation...
You still havent mentioned how you consider dropping 6 POS's anything but spamming from what your corp mate reported, you consider 2->3 POS spamming.. so 6 must be... fine, because you did it
If thats pos spamming, then my name is harriet.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:45:00 -
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ASCN's mutliple-front strategy didn't succeed because they were defending. Going somewhere else to fight while BoB captures your home systems isn't making progress. The Northern Coalition has the advantage of being the aggressors, which means that from the start of this, ANY forward progess is still a loss for BoB and its allies.
So I ask you, how exactly is BoB "winning"? They are losing control of their systems, and their space is general is overrun with invaders like never before, and time is their enemy.
Tick tock.
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Siva Calentis
The Pikey Rebellion
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:48:00 -
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I remember not too long ago when a titan was destroyed that the words "All is fair in war". Well isn't it ironic, now a bob alt is moaning because the north are not playing fair (thats very highly debatable by the way).
It swings back and fourth like a pendulum. Welcome to war BoB!
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Vladimir Tinakin
Caldari Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.03.02 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir Tinakin on 02/03/2007 18:50:05
Originally by: Skoot Guys are you out of your minds , if i doubt some words from a north alliance member i get myself as a bob alt pet slave whatever ...
I was trying to understand how some of the RZR guys are claiming "either way we win" when they and the rest of the people who try to get 9cg where not able to score a single victory over BOB . I was under the impresion that you have to kill ships to win a war ( ASCN FTW ) .
Anyway im out of this nonsense forums , wondering how far this histeria will go
If war was strickly about who kills more, then the Goons shouldn't be able to undock from kisogo without spontaneously combusting
Its not number of kills, or even number of battles won. Its controlling where your enemy fights, controlling where he can divert his resources, and ultimately sapping his strength.
Hit a block of ice with a rubber mallet, and you'd do some damage but it might not shatter. Chisel it in a few areas, work in a few fissures, and then hit it...and you've got daiquiri mix!
Look at the strategic board, not the tactical. BoB's income is being disrupted--I imagine they have uber reserves and still some decent income from T2 sales, but I would also imagine the books are running into the red as far as cash flow goes (more out than in). Their pilots have to region jump to cover enough ground--admittedly, easier to do with cap jump bridges. The initiative and the momentum is with the coalition(s) at the moment, and unless BoB does a Battle-of-the-Bulge maneuver this seems unlikely to change.
Official disclaimer: Archaean Cooperative is officially neutral in this brujaja, aside from approving of the war; we sell ships and war is good for business
edit: they censored a synonym for fissure. ----------------------------------------------- Adm Vladimir Tinakin CFO Hadean Drive Yards |
thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.03.02 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 02/03/2007 14:16:09
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 02/03/2007 14:06:56
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic You're just a fanboi
fond of this "insult" arent you.. why do you assume that everyone that doesnt hold your opinions is automatically a "fanboi" of your enemy?
when you called me it.. did you actually consider that if i was such a hugh fan of BOB, i might still be in BOB rather than leaving as i have?
tbh you should keep your mindless attempts at insults to yourself..
If it doesn't fit you then I apologize. Unfortunately, I've found that in most cases, it fits the person dispensing misinformation.
Your a fanboi? Since you have been dispensing misinformation...
You still havent mentioned how you consider dropping 6 POS's anything but spamming from what your corp mate reported, you consider 2->3 POS spamming.. so 6 must be... fine, because you did it
If thats pos spamming, then my name is harriet.
Does just Zimi get to call you that, or can we use his/her judgement for this 1 time? _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB) |
thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.03.02 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 02/03/2007 14:16:09
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic
Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 02/03/2007 14:06:56
Originally by: Zimi Vlasic You're just a fanboi
fond of this "insult" arent you.. why do you assume that everyone that doesnt hold your opinions is automatically a "fanboi" of your enemy?
when you called me it.. did you actually consider that if i was such a hugh fan of BOB, i might still be in BOB rather than leaving as i have?
tbh you should keep your mindless attempts at insults to yourself..
If it doesn't fit you then I apologize. Unfortunately, I've found that in most cases, it fits the person dispensing misinformation.
Your a fanboi? Since you have been dispensing misinformation...
You still havent mentioned how you consider dropping 6 POS's anything but spamming from what your corp mate reported, you consider 2->3 POS spamming.. so 6 must be... fine, because you did it
If thats pos spamming, then my name is harriet.
Does just Zimi get to call you that, or can we use his/her judgement for this 1 time? _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB) |
Shirei
Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.02 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc So how many of the original 4 where destroyed?
There were originally 2 BoB POS in the system. After one of them was destroyed, the number of BoB POS quickly increased to 4 (and now 5).
But in any case, it is a system with 40+ moons. Thinking that a conflict about it would not involve deploying a decent number of POS on both sides is an illusion.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: bulabuba First of all, congrats to Razor for not only taking sov, but managing not to succumb to the temptation to be a-holes about it in public. You've done more than BoB could do if you do nothing but that.
Secondly, most of the posters here are either clueless, or miss the point entirely. The northerners don't have to win here. They just have to keep BoB and their vassels spread out for a while. They know it, and BoB knows it. It would make no sense at all for them expend wads of isk and resources on a full scale assult at this time.
Real Soon Now(tm) BoB is going to be facing the same thing that LV has been facing, and they aren't going to fare much better. Right now, the undeniable truth is that big numbers > big guns in Eve. I'm sure it won't always be that way, but it is right now. When the 1000 man fleets come knocking, neither big skill nor big skill points nor big ships will save BoB. Short of lag and node crashes disappearing miraculously and just in time, BoB's days are numbered.
You can say all you want to about it being lame or unfair or what-have-you, but the simple truth is that you have to play the game as you find it, or go home. BoB always has. That's the way they got big, and that's the way they'll be taken down. This chapter will end, and another will begin. So it goes.
I like this post.... I believe this is more or less what is going to happen.
I've said it before and I've said it again if the coalition keep it together, its game over for BoB and anybody that allies with them. Atm it does look like steady progress is being made with 9cg being taken.
Congratz to the coalition for taking 9cg, its strategic importance is immeasurable in the south.
Furthermore if the coalition can manage to remain magnanimous in victory, not only will it indicate great military accomplishments but also strong moral fibre.... and that is going to be as important in this war as Capital Ships and POS.
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D1ck Jones
Old Detroit Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Furthermore if the coalition can manage to remain magnanimous in victory
too bad that ship has long since sailed...
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: D1ck Jones
Originally by: Nez Perces
Furthermore if the coalition can manage to remain magnanimous in victory
too bad that ship has long since sailed...
... not really... this is the first tangible victory on BoB soil (assuming 9cg is kept out of BoB hands). In this thread the coalition has been fairly restrained in their postings.
I'd say the tone in this thread is about right.
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thoth foc
Elcyion Lacar
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: thoth foc So how many of the original 4 where destroyed?
There were originally 2 BoB POS in the system. After one of them was destroyed, the number of BoB POS quickly increased to 4 (and now 5).
But in any case, it is a system with 40+ moons. Thinking that a conflict about it would not involve deploying a decent number of POS on both sides is an illusion.
thank you, good post _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB) |
Luthien Firefoot
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.02 20:18:00 -
[89]
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: thoth foc So how many of the original 4 where destroyed?
There were originally 2 BoB POS in the system. After one of them was destroyed, the number of BoB POS quickly increased to 4 (and now 5).
But in any case, it is a system with 40+ moons. Thinking that a conflict about it would not involve deploying a decent number of POS on both sides is an illusion.
thank you, good post
I'd like to insult you but in the interest of politics, I'd like you to insult me first.
We can keep it mild at first and build up or just go straight in at the atuk end, up to you.
/me goes to make sum tea.
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.02 21:05:00 -
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good job guys. keep it up.
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