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Diana Dour
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:19:00 -
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Alt posting to protect myself from further persecution.
It's bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots on the outside
"y u mine?" "to build things you ******* idiot"
Why do people play minecraft honestly? There must be some appeal, not everyone enjoys spamming grenades in 24/7 metro (stupid fps reference).
But when I mine because I want to build a ship and I build the ship, I'm either going to fly it or sell it. It's no use in the hangar collecting dust.
So I price it accordingly.
But then whoa!
"Hey diana why the **** are you pricing it so low, you're losing money." "No I'm not dipshit, you are losing money I got these rocks for free *******"
If I wanted to be beholden to market prices 24/7 and kill myself over spread sheets I would buy the minerals like you.
If I just wanted to mine for money and not build things I would go to 0.0 with the idiots.
I mine because I like to build and can sell for whatever I want.
0.0 players who don't realize that 0.0 miners are the ones pushing rocks for money are WRONG, high sec miners like building things, stupid fucks.
Industrialist who buy off of the market lol@u I will continue to undercut you, because it is half the fun. |
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:22:00 -
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You lost me at "I got these rocks for free..." |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:22:00 -
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Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:23:00 -
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U MAD about something, and BTW if you think the rocks you mine are free your wrong, time is money I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:24:00 -
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Minerals you mine are not free.
Google for "opportunity cost".
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Nephilius
Repo.
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:28:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:U MAD about something, and BTW if you think the rocks you mine are free your wrong, time is money
I disagree, time doesn't always equal money. If it did, there would be no such thing as 'free time'. If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |
Paragon Renegade
Offensive Logistics Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:30:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Minerals you mine are not free.
Google for "opportunity cost".
I notice. oddly, that when I find Grav sites in Hisec mining the Hemorphite and Jaspet makes my "little ol' ISK counter go higher.
Everything has an opportunity cost
OT; Anyone who actively looks down on anyone else based on their occupation is a fool The pie is a tautology |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:33:00 -
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You know, if by any far fetched change you, the OP are not a troll, you are better off doing level 4 missions in high sec and salvage & loot the wrecks.
It nets you more money in less time, which gives you isk to buy minerals . It gives you way more valuable minerals once you process the loot. And to top it off, you get more in less time while, being less vulnerable to being ganked by some loony tune who got bored.
TL;DR: Level 4 mission = minerals/ lowsec/ 0.0 minerals, isk, more safety, speed, LP, Standing.
You should be stupid if you mine.
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Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
297
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Posted - 2011.12.19 20:58:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:You know, if by any far fetched change you, the OP are not a troll, you are better off doing level 4 missions in high sec and salvage & loot the wrecks.
It nets you more money in less time, which gives you isk to buy minerals . It gives you way more valuable minerals once you process the loot. And to top it off, you get more in less time while, being less vulnerable to being ganked by some loony tune who got bored.
TL;DR: Level 4 mission = minerals/ lowsec/ 0.0 minerals, isk, more safety, speed, LP, Standing.
You should be stupid if you mine.
-> "If I just wanted to mine for money and not build things I would go to 0.0 with the idiots."
You, idiot, are stupid for not realizing that the OP is doing what's fun for him, and not stupid, greedy, mindless, soulless, pointless money hoarding. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
141
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:01:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:U MAD about something, and BTW if you think the rocks you mine are free your wrong, time is money
says who ?
time is time.. money are money..
you die rich you lost time.. but you still got money.
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Kelsi Corynn
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:04:00 -
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I don't see why anyone would make a fuss over you giving them the opportunity to make a quick buck. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:06:00 -
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Paragon Renegade wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Minerals you mine are not free.
Google for "opportunity cost".
I notice. oddly, that when I find Grav sites in Hisec mining the Hemorphite and Jaspet makes my "little ol' ISK counter go higher. Everything has an opportunity cost OT; Anyone who actively looks down on anyone else based on their occupation is a fool
anyone who considers a video game activity to be an occupation is a bigger fool
and yeah, if you undercut people in game or in the RW they tend to get mad and do something about it.
Ever hear of minimum pricing laws? in many places its not legal to sell a retail item for less than a certain percentage over wholesale. see, price fixing is illegal when companies conspire together to do it, but its perfectly OK if the government does it for them The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Information Agent
Apparently Miners
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:06:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:It nets you more money in less time
Not everyone cares about maximising profit/time ratios, heck I sure as hell dont. Whats the point in playing a game if all ya think about is the 'best way' to make in game money? I tend to think along the lines of 'whats the most fun way' to do things, it stops ya turning into some drab grey internet accountant.
Same with the 'free time isnt free' thing, well it is to a lot of people, really perplexes me to think that people actually put an isk value on their recreation time, kinda sad tbh and one more step towards that tweed jacket and 'advanced accountancy for the socially inept' book. :)
(disclaimer: drab accountant and lack of social skill references are not aimed at anyone in this thread or any other thread, thought I'd better put this in before someone gets the wrong idea). |
Famble
Three's a Crowd
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:08:00 -
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As a spender of money and enjoyer of watching other people do stupid things: I support OP's product and/or service.
If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:12:00 -
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Kelsi Corynn wrote:I don't see why anyone would make a fuss over you giving them the opportunity to make a quick buck.
Good point, I was gonna say if your enjoying what your doing, whats the problem?
RE: Free minerals - In one sence they are. They cost OP 0 isk. They did cost time and effort but time and effort is not the same as the balance in your wallet. Though it is standard practice to value ore against what they could be sold for, not everyone counts every 0.01 isk and the sense of value at having produced something valuable ingame may be as much of a kick for someone else as your 7 page spreadsheet that tells you the OP lost 6.73 percent total earnings per hour. Each to there own I suppose.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:13:00 -
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Information Agent wrote:Same with the 'free time isnt free' thing, well it is to a lot of people, really perplexes me to think that people actually put an isk value on their recreation time, kinda sad tbh and one more step towards that tweed jacket and 'advanced accountancy for the socially inept' book. :) That the activities you partake in in game have ISK values attached is a quantifiable fact, not an opinion or perspective. Ignorance of this does not change this fact.
Professor Alphane wrote:RE: Free minerals - In one sence they are. No, in no sense are they. You are perfectly free to do with them as you wish, however, the opportunity cost exists regardless.
Kelsi Corynn wrote:I don't see why anyone would make a fuss over you giving them the opportunity to make a quick buck. You have to remember that the other guy isn't necessarily that much smarter, and may not realise how to take advantage of the situation. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:15:00 -
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You didn't get the rocks for free, you simply value your time less than they value theirs. Which is fine.
Wal-Mart could sell most of what they sell at higher prices, increasing their profit margin. They don't because sometimes selling something for a lower margin returns the money faster, allowing them to reinvest it. In the case of the OP, his/her merchandise sells faster than the competitively-priced pro industrialists, putting money in the wallet to be used.
As with everything, "value" is all about the PERCEIVED worth of something. If you think the time you put into mining the materials for that Drake is worth 10 million isk, then who am I to question you for selling it so cheap?
The primary problem I see with the people criticizing your market prices is that they aren't buying your stuff and reposting it for what they consider a more "fair" price. |
Ai Shun
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:18:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:That the activities you partake in in game have ISK values attached is a quantifiable fact, not an opinion or perspective. Ignorance of this does not change this fact.
True. An individual player may choose to pay that cost as it is the price of their fun. In other words, doing it differently would create a different opportunity cost for them that has too high a price tag.
Still, it gives others the opportunity to exploit their lack of interest in those aspects.
I'm all for that.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
141
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:20:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:RE: Free minerals - In one sence they are. No, in no sense are they. You are perfectly free to do with them as you wish, however, the opportunity cost exists regardless. Who put the price tag on it ? Who started it ? Cost/Money/Ownership/etc. are ideas... They are cute ideas, but imaginary. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
419
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:26:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:That the activities you partake in in game have ISK values attached is a quantifiable fact, not an opinion or perspective. Ignorance of this does not change this fact.
Spreadsheet warriors: Subtracting the fun from Eve since 2003.
Crumplecorn wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:RE: Free minerals - In one sence they are. No, in no sense are they. You are perfectly free to do with them as you wish, however, the opportunity cost exists regardless.
The whole notion of opportunity cost hinges on the comparison of two options. If mining lands me 30 million isk an hour and mission running lands me 50 million isk an hour, then I'm losing 20 million isk an hour by mining (yes that's a somewhat simplistic and incomplete example, I'm lazy and won't bother with more). But you've forgotten something.
I see one thing missing from calculations of opportunity cost: fun. The whole thing falls apart when you remember that YOU ARE PLAYING A GAME.
Crumplecorn wrote:Kelsi Corynn wrote:I don't see why anyone would make a fuss over you giving them the opportunity to make a quick buck. You have to remember that the other guy isn't necessarily that much smarter, and may not realise how to take advantage of the situation. Thankfully there are many such people in Eve, presenting the rest of us with many such opportunities for profit. |
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
158
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:27:00 -
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There are lots of types of pvp and this is one of them. Ive been threatened for selling stuff that undercuts someone else.
Just enjoy it.
The entire point of this game is to lick the tears of someone else face and its not just weapons that do it.
Remember if its any form of market pvp that are threatening you because you are pulling tears from their ducts and they dont even know it
Also minerals are not free. They are gay, but not free Something Awful. A beacon for tearful, lonely neckbeards. |
mogwai
Gremlin Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:31:00 -
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Morganta wrote:
anyone who considers a video game activity to be an occupation is a bigger fool
Well said!
i run lvl 4 missions, mine when i feel like chilling out and chatting.... Eve is more like a hobby to me that breaks up the normal day to day grind of rl.
In the past, i have sold domi's for 50 mill and cruisers from STUPIDLY low prices.... why? because i can. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:32:00 -
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Esan Vartesa wrote:You lost me at "I got these rocks for free..."
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1065
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:37:00 -
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Diana Dour wrote:"y u mine?" "to build things you ******* idiot" And people wonder why Goons like to blow up miners so much.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:39:00 -
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rocks are free, npc bounties are free, incursions are free. There is basically 0 risk for doing pve in highsec and people do what is fun for them.
if you want it, take it. its a game. Stop with the opportunity cost crap, its a game. Eve has simplified market mechanics, submarine physics etc. Its a game.
If you play eve with the lone goal to accumulate isk without enjoying the game itself - you should really think about what you are doing. a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:44:00 -
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Diana Dour wrote:It's bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots on the outside
No. Its bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots like you.
Here's some friendly advice, just sell the ores/minerals that you mine, you'll make more money, and save some time.
Leave the real industrial stuff to the clever people (read as: people who can do basic arithmetic)
kthxbai |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:44:00 -
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Essentially, the OPis providing a public service for people that specialize in reselling under priced items in EVE.
If he enjoys this, and understands that in doing so he is taking a hit to the profits he could be making, more power to him.
If he doesn't understand that he is making less money this way..... more power to him. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Information Agent
Apparently Miners
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:45:00 -
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Too many accountants playing EVE lol.
I really really dont understand where ya all are getting this 'minerals aren't free' thing from, I can only think that maybe the cost of subbing the acc that the mining is happening on is what ya mean.
I just dont see it, everything Ive ever done in game was done with the view of 'fun' or 'something to pass a bit of time' and I never once thought to myself "Omg Im losing xxx isk per hour doing this" or "sweet Im making xxx isk per hour doing this", I think ya all need to seriously take a break from EVE if all ya can think about is the game currency, or the $15, sure the isk is important but its not real.
Isk is worthless in my opinion/perspective, I cant use it in rl, I cant do anything non EVE related out of game with it, and the only thing I can think of that could make it have any real value is buying plexes which I dont, so I pay my sub to play the game, not be a slave to isk/hour efficiency.
Activities in EVE are worth nothing but fun, its a game, theres no need to attach a monetry value to every mouse click you make. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:46:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Diana Dour wrote:It's bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots on the outside
No. Its bad enough that the industry community has to deal with idiots like you. Here's some friendly advice, just sell the ores/minerals that you mine, you'll make more money, and save some time. Leave the real industrial stuff to the clever people (read as: people who can do basic arithmetic) kthxbai
Maybe she enjoys the process and isn't enslaved to the almighty Isk likeyou clever people seem to be.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2011.12.19 21:49:00 -
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The way I see it, the industrialists who sell below cost are like the gankers who attack non-profitable targets. Just for the lulz. |
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