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|Posted - 2008.03.22 04:05:00 -
Edited by: Davis Valdran on 22/03/2008 04:14:42
Edited by: Davis Valdran on 22/03/2008 04:07:26
Edited by: Davis Valdran on 22/03/2008 04:06:34
Here I go again , just back and quite a few posts I know :)
Anyway I played eve alot a while back and ISK buying was rife , I have also seen it ruin other games. I also say in chat until Im blue in the face about people buying ISK inflating the ecconomy, It really annoys me that I also just play MMOS with 1 account building a character, doing things the hard way and the more people buy isk the more unatainable things become since money loses its value being in unatural abundance. Heres the thing though its all to do with the mentality "Im alright Jack" screw the rest. On top of that when things do inflate player simply wont want to get the unrealistic amounts of commoditys to trade to buy grossly overpriced stuff so that then causes an influx of bots to your game. I have seen this happen so many times! (In the end a bot driven ecconomy or an ecconomy driven solely by those who can afford 2 and 3 accounts so they can skill up all indutrial skills while concentrating on combat and mining on other chars, this also inflates things if you want to be 100% honest about it.
Finally its great to see a GM bringing this issue up and highlighting the issue! Really appreciate that but CCP need to clamp down on isk buyers if you are truely serious about a properly done ecconomy. I have seen rife isk buying ruining a game but I have also seen the odd game take them on head on and start banning them left right and ceneter - aided by special systems to flag potential isk exploiters. Also as mentioned I played Eve 1 year or so ago and do you realise at that time isk buying was bad and I even thought it was legal!(I never bought any but so many people were doing it and no in game chat complaints that I thought it was kinda silently accepted as okay by CCP) Since there was regular talk of it many times with no intervention. Really appreciate you post :) but to tackle it seriously you need to start culling illegal isk buying sooner rather than later and aggressivly.
Wish you good luck with that! Im sick of starting in games that have a really cool ecconomy then the little naffs come on buy gazillions of isks then next week Im paying 50*markup for an item. (Bye bye all players who just play on one account). With the status quo though if there is going to be some form of rl cash to eve isk which will mean more RL money gaurentees more success as opposed to skill what you could do to counter that a little is well you know how a single account shows 2 character slots but you can only train one skill between the two? Make it so that the skills are independant. It works in every other decent MMO dont see why in this day and age we still have that old fashoined way of doing it)
I love eve irrespective of that and I know my comments will go down like a lead balloon but as a single account holder and someone who feels a big brunt of isk sellers I think Im at least fractionally entitled to a say :) , sure everyone wont agree this is just my view but its good your now openly talking about isk sales
|Posted - 2008.03.22 21:16:00 -
I think GTC Trade is fine - CCP can keep an eye on the situation and counteract if necessary (Adjust npc-prices,make more isk-sinks etc)
CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
|Posted - 2008.03.27 15:10:00 -
This is all fine and stuff. But what happens when a GM take money from people that has actually earned it.
Corp m8 just got a visit from a GM who started by taking 3 bil and then transfered 4 bil back to proceed and take 6 bil.
WTF is going on here.
He has nothing to hide and will show all the logs and stuff.
And how do they act after that. They ban him for 24hours.
What was the mail to the senior GM's or that investigation thingy that was going on.
Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
Caldari Strike Force
|Posted - 2008.03.27 16:00:00 -
This is very important and crucial!
If you could make it so we could probe out giant secure cans, we could find them in 0.0 and pop them.
Farmers have 50 or more of these anchored all together in little clusters in the drone regions.
Also it would show some credibility from CCP in the war against the isk farmers.
Next, why can a pos be spotted so easily but 50 cans in a cluster can even?
Please reply back!
Signed, a loyal CCP customer
|Posted - 2008.04.04 12:23:00 -
Edited by: Hokage Jiraiya on 04/04/2008 12:31:00
( It is easy to blame someone but it is even easrier to blame someone else )
Sorry I have to say this but what a load of bolloks.....
GTC for ISK has almost the same amount of negative impact on the ingame economy
if not the same impact. The only different is CCP earns from the GTC sales where as 3rd party selling isk contributes virtually no profit for CCP.
There is but two options (Yes, there are three points listed and I said two, read on to see why) for CCP if CCP really wants to improve the ingame economy.
1. ( Logical approach ) Remove Sales of GTC for isk, thus players have to buy GTC with real life cash and pay for their accounts with real life cash thus CCP profits and the economy will stablize.
2. ( hard but possible ) Removing 3rd party ingame currency sellers from the game ( Yes I understand it is a difficult ) thou if one looks at IGB and their cronies, one will notice that they have in the last year lost access to various game currencies on the part of diligent GMs and players that hunt down ingame curreny farmers and sellers. However then shouldn't CCP also take the above stance? ( See point 1)
3. Simply allow all forms of ingame currency trading, buying and selling since GTC for isk does not counter the so called ingame inflation anyway.
I am and have been a very active gamer in various platforms and games for numberous years and I have had the misery of working in a gaming company, I understand how hard and nerve racking it can get :) but the morality behind this article is just hypocritical.
Sorry if my two cents hurts anyones feeling.
On a lighter note :) If one travels thru Metropolis one can see that the same bunch of macro mission haulers have been doing the same thing for almost a year, numberous complains have been lodged and they are still there. First they travelled between Taff and Amo, now they Travel between Evati/Anher and Ingunn.... macro haulers = good standings = cheap chars for sale = isk buying/gtc for isk = flooding of isk = market inflation all over again.
|Posted - 2008.04.07 12:53:00 -
In a World where currency is 'magicked' into existence, anyone can learn the skills to mine and build ships and BPOs get seeded, rats drop loot and can be salvaged, its hard to see 'anyway' to affect a market all that much.
If 'player A' buys up a hundred bazillion isk, does the isk in my wallet vanish? When they have a hundred bazillion isk in their wallet and I pop a rat, do I not get a bounty as the bank ran out of isk? I think not.
Make isk a commodity, give it some finite quantity, halt the magic of it appearing, then worry about people 'buying' isk. The isk value for GTCs are the only thing that is affected and I would prefer to be safe than sorry, so would always chose to sell a GTC over buying isk from players named 'asdfghjk1234'
If you're worried that these people will buy every item on a market, I call BS.
If you want to be worry warts, think about the existence of T2 BPOs. Now think about the owners of those BPOs leaving the game and not selling their 'stuff' when they go. Thats way more scary and already taken care of with 'invention'. When this happens and I'm sure it will, this will ramp the price of T2 gear up for sure.
Anyone wanna buy some Polycarbons ? ;-)
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|Posted - 2008.04.08 23:25:00 -
Edited by: Vespa Orebane on 08/04/2008 23:33:04
Could a mod please explain the difference between GTC trading for ISK and buying isk from a third party?
Oh that's right... Buying form a third prty means CCP misses out on the real life $$$
I think you also forgot to mention that this policy is also being retrospectively applied!
what a fine case of double standards...
|Posted - 2008.04.10 02:01:00 -
I really honestly do not understand why people think buying isk for RL money is so unfair. The game is unfair. I am a father of three and have a more than full time job (I am active duty military). I get to play maybe, at most, 20 hours a week. Thats 20 hours total in a week to make money, while I keep learning skills and now need skillbooks that cost 50+ million isk each. How can I compete with the 19 year old college kid living in mom's basement running three accounts at the same time that can play 60+ hours a week.
Seems unfair to me. Maybe CCP should only allow an account to be actively played for at most 40 hours a week. Sure would cut down on what the macrominers can do. Then it really would be a "level playing field" in game instead of out of game. Those kinds of arguements are just undefensible.
So, I may be richer than the 19 year old but he can make 100 times the isk that I can in a week because he has more TIME. It would seem to me that money is not power in Eve, TIME is power. The more time you can play the more isk you can make and therefore the more power you can have. You can't make a lot of money without spending a lot of time playing.
This is all about CCP not making money from the sale of isk. In the MMO "Second Life" you can buy ingame money for real money at any moment and the game company gets all. You will never ever see second life money for sale online because of that. They have no macrofarmers because of that. They just have a lot of happy players that can spend their time playing the game having fun instead of playing the game to have enough money to have fun later.
RDK Trusting Holders
|Posted - 2008.04.10 08:43:00 -
Originally by: Selzer
Originally by: Dal Thrax
Why I think CCP dislikes ISK selling but allows GTC selling:
1) With the new GTC system you don't get anything you can resell (you don't get the code only time). I.e. you can only cash in.
2) With ISK selling you can cash out your in game assets for RL currency.
If you can "cash out" you can move/launder money internatinally. Many governments don't like this and WILL squash CCP if they let this go on.
Here's my take:
1) With GTC sales CCP gets RL currency.
2) With ISK sales CCP doesn't get RL currency.
CCP obviously doesn't like people buying their way ahead in the game (either that or the Dev Blog is lying), so the only reason I can see that they would allow GTC sales is because it is a revenue source for them.
If it was that problem only, they could allow isk sales the same way they do to char transfers.
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|Posted - 2008.04.11 06:30:00 -
I have an idea which might work...Have isk sellers in eve but make it a skill which only allows you a certian amount of isk that can be sold and a certian range that you can operate. Now you will get the isk from ccp and there will be an alloted amount for distribution. Prices will be dictated by ccp without question. And your account will be audited frequently. The rulez will be set by ccp. That way ccp can close down isk sellers and keep an eye on their own sellers for underhanded dealings
Galactic Defence Consortium
|Posted - 2008.04.11 14:02:00 -
I know I'm not seeing as much spam in local from isk sellers as I used to - what I'd like to know is what the totals are on "how much isk removed this month" and "how many isk farmer accounts removed" and "how many people caught selling isk" and "how many caught buying isk".
I think it would also be a good idea to set people to -10 security status along with taking the isk out of their wallets. That way, even if they have enough isk to keep playing, they get WTFPWNED if they try to go back into Empire (after all, they ARE outlaws...)
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|Posted - 2008.04.13 23:50:00 -
Let's look at the GM Guard manifesto point by point...
1. Macromining. Sure unlimited macromining is bad for the game. But that has nothing to do with RMT. Besides, CCP could stop macromining relatively easily -- they can be recognized by the software much more reliably than by players. The question is: why doesn't CCP stop them? Because cash cows are necessary to support GTC sales.
[BTW, CCP is inconsistent about this. GM Guard says macromining reduces prices so mining is unprofitable. Another GM says it causes inflation. It doesn't matter who is right. RMT itself has no effect on the game economics because it is a transfer payment *after* the ISK is farmed. Claiming RMT causes economic problems in the game is hogwash. CCP is being disingenuous to piggyback it on macromining to imply RMT is bad. Macromining is an entirely separate game problem that flourishes without RMT.]
2. Spamming. Very annoying; if I were buying ISK I would never buy it from a spammer. But CCP could stop spamming very easily. More to the point, it is irrelevant. Local gets spammed by contract sellers and recruiters too. Does that make contracts and recruiting bad? IOW, it is spamming that is annoying, not the spam subject matter.
3. Account hacking. The same caveat emptor applies here that applies to all phishing in or out of EVE. Scams in EVE are common and players bait people into losec traps all the time with CCP sanctioning. Why is RM different than weeks or months of game effort being lost? The RM is in CCP's wallet.
4. Evil conglomerates. Greed is greed and some players are going to abuse the system to do that sort of stuff without RMT. Corps don't already abuse ISK cash cows? Get real. The point is the game mechanics allow it, not RMT. Again, CCP is piggybacking RMT on an existing game mechanics problem to infer RMT is bad.
5. Customer support suffers. That I buy, but mainly because the software tools aren't in place to deal with it. CCP needs to devote some resources to this just like other playability issues.
Unstated. The real reason for being against RMT is to preserve GTC revenue by eliminating competition. CCP gets extra revenue from GTCs because players who could not afford can play more can do so (e.g., multiple accounts). So CCP makes war on ISK buyers but not on the cash cows that enable GTCs.
Also unstated. Eliminate the cash cows in the game and RMT becomes a background issue because the reduced volume cannot support the complex infrastructure required for RMT.
Also unstated. The real abuse problem is RMT is that players can buy their way into power positions. Despite CCP's horror stories, that sort of thing has to be very rare. What sort of nutcase is going to spend $1000s in RM to play a MMORPG better? As GM guard says, most of the RMT industry is based on small position players (think: noob). And the major driver for that is that the gap between a noob position and an Elder Statesman position is enormous -- much, much greater than when EVE was first launchaed. Fix that imbalance along with the cash cows and RMT goes away.
|Posted - 2008.04.14 17:50:00 -
I for one agree with GM guard. He states it very well. Honestly this idea that they are wanting all of our money...liked SOE... is ludicrous.
They tried to do a nice thing allowing people to play (basically free with GTC).
This system was/is abused.
Many people unknowingly are caught in scams as they unknowingly think that $ is the answer. $ helps but is not the answer. I do not have Billions of ISK, I only recently have struggled to break 100M.
I borrowed a raven spent three days ratting in 0.0 and made 120M from ratting alone ( no salvaging no looting simply in bounties). I asked how I could make a little $, and hence, the solution presented itself.
Any form of buying ISK is sketchy at best.(IMO)
Originally by: GM Guard
Edited by: GM Guard on 28/02/2007 09:28:28
Hi and sorry for my late appearance in this thread.
Many of you have rightfully pointed out that by allowing the sale of game time codes for ISK, we are in essence allowing a form of real money trading. Our goal was of course never to support any form of RMT and the only reason we allow this form of business with it's inevitable side effects is because we wanted to give players a chance to pay for their subscriptions with isk and thereby in essence making some other EVE player pay their subscription cost for them. We allowed this in order to allow more players to play. We want more people playing EVE. In fact we want all people to play EVE! That is the only gain we saw by allowing this and the only reason why we have stuck to it despite the myriad of problems we have had to deal with because of it (GTC scam cases make me weep in my bed at night).
It is true that this opened a loophole for a certain form of RMT but that business is small and measly in comparison to the all consuming monster that is the ISK selling business(TM). One player on this thread rightfully pointed out that RMT through GTCs is limited in the sense that there is a fixed number of game time codes in circulation at any time. That is a very good point and explains the vast size difference between the GTC for ISK business and the ISK for $ business. Also, with the new secure game time code system, the business of GTCs for isk will become even more limited as a money making tool than before.
Some call us hypocritical for allowing one thing and banning the other while preaching purity and good virtues. I can understand that point of view in part, especially if people also believe that we are allowing GTC selling for isk to make tons of cash as isk sellers and that we just want to push the other isk selling gangs off the market so we can make even more cash! As I hope most of you will understand that is not the case. We have only one goal and that goal is to watch EVE grow and prosper. We truly want the ISK selling business with all it's devilry and witchcraft out of the game and we will continue to work towards that goal. The purpose of this blog was mainly to point out the downsides of the ISK selling business and the negative effects it undeniably has on the Eve world. Most of you never directly witness these negative effects so I wanted to relate them to you to give you perspective. Every day we in Customer support have to deal with several players who have bought isk in good faith because they truly didn't know it was against the rules, only to receive isk straight from a hacked account that has been phished by agents of one of the ISK selling websites. We hate seeing people in trouble and we want to be able to provide the best service possible. We also want players to know the potential consequences of dealing with these people and to know what they are supporting by doing so.
Senior GM Guard
EVE Customer Support.
Can you honestly think that buying any form of ISK is acceptable..flame all you want but it is not...the exception...the purpose it was intended for simple as that
|Posted - 2008.04.14 18:03:00 -
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? What is CCP going to do? Legally shut them down or force them to give them all their logs, and punish Isk buyers?
|Posted - 2008.04.16 19:50:00 -
CCP should allow it to be sold as a commodity in game. Just cut through the crap and get straight to it instead of the muddled waffley stuff that is the selling of time codes etc etc.
If it was sold in game, then there wouldn't be a need to worry about the outside activity.
When ccp wants to find out who is doing what, they simply look at a players logs and transactions, sort it by money gained and money lost and they can see the anomolies of large deposits or exchanges.
Now, I have no idea why they would restrict stuff based on that as it now raises a problem of, I've been playing for a year and now my broter plays and I want to give him 200 million of my isk. Why is that a problem.
what about corporate sponsorship where people give all their ore to th corporation in exchange for a 40 million isk rigged miner?
the fault is with CCP in my opinion.
sell it in game as a commodity or you will never solve the problem and yiou will only bring further grief to gamers.
the point about time is very important. It takes a long time, and so, mmos in general seem to appeal to college kids and teh unemployed with internet connections. These folks seem to go the farthest in the game as opposed to those people who just wanna have some fun in space.
|Posted - 2008.04.17 12:14:00 -
i have to say i'm against isk selling and buying, but i have 3 accounts with this game and my goal is to earn enough isk each month to be able to enjoy the game and have enough to buy gtc cards for my 3 characters so making the game pay for itself. so i'm all for the sale of gtc's to continue.
|Posted - 2008.04.17 20:21:00 -
But see, Hugo, you are the exact reason why CCP's arguements don't hold up. The problem is not about how much isk is in the game economy, the problem is how much time is spent playing. You have three characters that you are able to play enough that you can earn at least 300mil isk a month to pay for your GTCs. I can barely make 100mil in a month with 2 characters, and that is with my wife ****in and moanin that I am spending too much time playing video games.
The whole arguement that if I buy 10 billion isk for RM, I will automatically become some supreme power in the EVEverse is rediculous. What is the avereage character age in the game? My oldest character is just over 2 years old. I could go and buy me 10 titans, but they arent gonna do me any good because I can't fly them. I could go and by 100 fully fitted Tier 3 battleships, which I can fly, but to what point? So I can zerg a station with BSs until I finally pop it? Why would I spend $1000s to buy battleships to get them popped just so I can blow up someone's station? Besides how long am I going to have to wait to have them all built? And how long is it going to take to mine all the minerals? And how long is it going to take to collect all the additional components needed? It's not about money, it's about time. Those that have it can have all the money they want with invention and RPs and missions and mining and so on. Those without time get left with the leavings.
Like it has been said several times before. A person is going to buy isk to help get them over that little hill so they don't have to just grind. The alliance my corp is in has more than enough money to buy ships, the problem is that they can't get enough ore to do it. There is isk just sitting there in the wallet waiting to be used that can't be because they need ore not money. So to argue that some alliance is going to use RM to finance a war is bogus because, a. most alliances already have money, and b. because most alliances need ore and materials more than they need money.
Or what about the person that makes that bonehead accident and targets the wrong ship before sic'ing your drones and Concord comes to stick it up your tailpipe? I've lost months of earnings to that exact accident and damn near quit the game because of it. But I fortunately have a very nice guild and stuck to it and I am now right back where I was months ago. My skills have progressed but my wallet hasn't. Now I am stuck again. I can't learn skills any faster than I am now (well yes, +5 implants would help but really, how much faster vs +3's or 4's which are easy to afford) so no matter how rich I am I can only use certain ships and mods. But it is very easy for me to get to the point where I can fly a BS but not be able to afford one let alone fit it.
I propose a test, for one or two months only with limits. Have an in game interface, say in a station only, where I can purchase incraments of isk directly from CCP/Eve Central Bank, for RM via CC, Paypal, or whatever. Limit it to a maximum amount of isk per account, not character and limit it to non-trial accounts only. You can use the current going rate of $15 for 110mil isk or whatever it is. Also allow people in the same interface, to use isk to purchase Game time. At the end of the test calculate how much was purchased for RM and how much was spent for GT. I bet that the difference is not all that lopsided.
|Posted - 2008.04.26 10:13:00 -
I must agree with Ore Not, all this question is about playing time, the game is very time consuming to get isk for the average and new players, and CCP should make a way to revise this. Other idea was to bill the accounts for the time played in addition to a max time for day to play (let say 12H) if one play more he must pay for it, just like a phone bill.
And how about purchasing items out of game for RM is that forbiden to?...
|Posted - 2008.05.25 11:21:00 -
I don't see there is any argument about this.
EVE is a game. You play the game and you get the rewards in the game for doing so - skills, ISK, ships, whatever. If you are able to play for 10 hours a week, it takes longer to get to whatever aim you have in the game than those who play 50 or more hours. That is unfortunate, but is just the same as with anything else. The more you play, the quicker you level up - or gain skills or money, depending upon which game you are playing.
Gaining any kind of in-game reward in return for RL money is totally wrong IMHO. What is the point? You want to become a level 70 in WOW with millions in cash - so you respond to one of those annoying spam messages and buy an upgrade for real cash. That is no different than hacking the game to improve your character - i.e. it is cheating the game in one sense or another. What does it achieve? You did not spend the time and effort to gain that high level - you just bought it. Big deal
The only exception is if you pay for more than one account. I do not see anything wrong with that - as you are still putting in real time and effort - just on several accounts simultaneously. Each character still has to do the training and earn the ISK - in real time. It is just like playing for more hours per week - you just have more than one character doing so simultaneously. You still have to do the training in real time and the money still has to be earned in actual game play by one or other character.
However, if no method of using real money to buy in game resources is allowed - can we please get rid of those damned bots? They ruin the use of the chat channels - especially the rookie channel where people need help and then a bot spams the channel and nobody sees the question or its answer.
|Posted - 2008.06.06 13:15:00 -
I don't agree with isk purchasing or gold purchasing in general.
GTC for isk is a grey area for me so I wont touch that subject other then to say that I agree that isk buying isn't any more of an economy driving issue then GTC sales are.
BUT, In a different MMO, I heard the best explanation I have ever heard for why one guy bought gold.
He makes $30USD(forget exact amount) p/hr at work. It would take him longer then one hour to earn the equivalent amount of gold that he could buy by simply working one extra hour at his job per day or week. I honestly couldn't find a flaw in that argument.
|Posted - 2008.06.13 09:55:00 -
Originally by: GM Nova
Let's get real here people. There is a fundemental misunderstanding as to the motivation behind CCPs decision to allow and support GTCs for isk.
We are supporting this trade in order to allow players to subscribe, who do not have access to the available payment methods. There are currently alot of countries where access to credit cards is severly limited. We want to allow them a chance to enjoy EVE. If there are players who have the means and are willing to pay for their subscription in exchange for isk, we fully support that.
I havent read every single post.. i have read the dev's responses
Not a rant or whine post, My comments arepurely to point out some fundamentals of GTC sales.
Firstly i disagree witht the notion of selling GTC's to allow a wider audience to play the game, the notion of countries / players that cant play by normal payment methods and therefore allowing the purchase of GTC's is extremely flawed imho as how can the player obtain the isk in the first place if they cannot pay to play????
lets look at who benefits from the GTC option to play.
Older players and people who earn a lot of isk, these guys can play for free is it balanced.. yes as they also loose in game isk to pay.
now the more serious one
Macrominers.. Obviously they can Macromine for free using GTC's as they are only ingame to make isk. More to the point.. balance.. is this balanced out.. NO
Effectively by the use of GTC's Macrominers are able to make RL Money for absolutely free with no penalties.
So I believe that CCP have unwittingly incresed the macrominer base as there is a real reason to Macromine, on the grounds it can be done for free, only costing RL time ( of which can be crappy computers running bots) to produce RL cash.
Is this an issue.. YES
Eve Defence Force
|Posted - 2008.06.17 10:52:00 -
Buying ISK: Totally agree
Buying GTC: Let's split it to INGAME GTC's, which can ONLY be traded for ISKs, and OUT OF GAME GTC's which can only be bought for cold hard cash.
Problem solved, everybody happy
Also, is it that hard to protect EVE against macro miners?
|Posted - 2008.06.18 11:21:00 -
Edited by: Invalided on 18/06/2008 11:21:35
Indeed, ISK buying and selling is an unfortunate business, hope you lot at CCP carry on doing a good job.
|Posted - 2008.06.20 20:31:00 -
For those that are "ok" with this stance, or think CCP is doing something great, I say "WAKE UP"!
GM Guard goes into lengthy detail of why RMT is bad for the economy; especially the part about "money is power in EVE". They don't seem to mind RMT, and in fact, have set up a spot in the forums for it, so long as the RM part of the RMT goes into their pockets.
It's not legit to buy ISK from a "farmer", but it is legit to, in effect, buy it from CCP? I honestly don't understand this; nevermind, I do. It's greed, pure and simple. The same reason they changed the timecards, charging more money for less time. They figured out what a big portion of users use ISK to buy timecards, and they decided they could milk that cow for all it was worth.
Please, CCP, don't post a blog about the evils of RMT if you are going to turn around and provide it yourself; it reduces your credibility and respect within the community.
Stop all RMT, or stop talking about it. Plain and simple.
|Posted - 2008.06.21 12:30:00 -
"In a different MMO, I heard the best explanation I have ever heard for why one guy bought gold.
He makes $30USD(forget exact amount) p/hr at work. It would take him longer then one hour to earn the equivalent amount of gold that he could buy by simply working one extra hour at his job per day or week. I honestly couldn't find a flaw in that argument."
And why the selling part get viable?
Put 2 skilled chars mining in 0.0 and say they can make 30 million isk per hour.In 3 hours they make the $15 for the GTC.A lot of jobs in my country(Brazil) dont pay that amount of money in 3 hours of work and the minimum wage pays a little less than $2,50 per hour.And i hear that in China the salaries are even worse.
|Posted - 2008.06.25 14:35:00 -
I frequently read forum's but generaly dont' post. guess you might say i am tired of biting my tongue. I've invested alot of my time in this game and over the last couple of years I have yet too know of anyone buying isk from a 3rd party. Yet I have seen many mega-alliance's support pvp and war's via the GTC system and personaly know of 3 motherships that were funded through the purchase and resale of GTC's. these alliance's and older (serious) players would never consider the purchase of isk via 3rd party sales. no more than i would due too fact we love eve as much as anyone else. And in no way would i want too risk losing or the banning of my accounts. i imagine if anyone would take the chance of purchasing isk from a 3rd party it would be a new player with nothing too lose ( compared too 3yr's worth of training) and they probly do it in order too get that new bc et.. who know's . I've yet too see 3rd party isk selling effect eve (that i know of) yet i have seen alot of space taken/lost do to the isk revenue generated by ccp via GTC sales. which have greatly affected the political enviroment and the market in eve. i think its sad warped twisted and both are driven by greed. i'm against the sale of GTC's by ccp and think their whole perspective is distorted on this matter. and it seems like a buncha double talk too me. if they want players too be able too play eve by paying with isk then accept isk as payment its that simple. i pay for my accounts with real money. i'm not rich and if i was i still wouldnt' give ccp thousands of dollars too buy a few hundred billion. i say invalidate the GTC's quit selling isk. that would be an easy solution too the players buying isk and inflating market blah blah blah..... at least we know who that isk seller is then hunt down and bann.. prosecute whatever you do too the 3rd party's doing the same thing as you. i think it would benefit your credibility considerably if you would start by sweeping you own doorstep.
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