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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2016.05.24 17:39:15 -
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The Link.
Quote:Before you say Eve Online has done it; donGÇÖt GÇô they havenGÇÖt. If youGÇÖre a programmer, go ahead and read up on the EO architecture ( 1, 2) GÇô which btw has been drastically improved upon over the years. That EO bespoke architecture was built from the ground up as part of the engine and for a specific game. A game thatGÇÖs not twitch-based or anywhere near the fidelity of the seamless architecture that Star Citizen is shooting for.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2016.05.25 06:57:38 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Link. Quote:Before you say Eve Online has done it; donGÇÖt GÇô they havenGÇÖt. If youGÇÖre a programmer, go ahead and read up on the EO architecture ( 1, 2) GÇô which btw has been drastically improved upon over the years. That EO bespoke architecture was built from the ground up as part of the engine and for a specific game. A game thatGÇÖs not twitch-based or anywhere near the fidelity of the seamless architecture that Star Citizen is shooting for.
114 million $? They've raised 114 million $?
Holy sh*t. Good that my wasted SC pledge went into the first 7 days, the first 4,000 contributors and the first 1,000,000 $ of this horrific trainwreck. |
Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.05.25 11:20:41 -
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Can I double your twitch-based seamless architecture.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2016.05.25 12:05:10 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:Can I double your twitch-based seamless architecture.
...on cloud servers. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2515
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Posted - 2016.05.25 18:54:04 -
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What's a "twitch-based seamless architecture"?
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7718
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Posted - 2016.05.25 20:23:12 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:What's a "twitch-based seamless architecture"?
It's what you need
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.05.25 20:25:13 -
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the blog post wrote:the Evocati part is basically just another PTU, but with an NDA -snip- they started allowing paid ($10 per month) channel subscribers access to it as well; thus leaving out a swath of backers with no access to a game theyGÇÖve already paid for. Evocati being their sisi ... what the everlivingfuck
Better the Devil you know.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7718
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Posted - 2016.05.25 20:41:16 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:the blog post wrote:the Evocati part is basically just another PTU, but with an NDA -snip- they started allowing paid ($10 per month) channel subscribers access to it as well; thus leaving out a swath of backers with no access to a game theyGÇÖve already paid for. Evocati being their sisi ... what the everlivingfuck
I just thought the WoW movie trailer was a game trailer. It's becoming one of those days. Maybe everything is going to collapse into one big singularity and we'll all spend years waiting for a game where we launch dwarves from space ships while watching movies about it and cloud computing seamless all that crap
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.05.26 11:14:36 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:What's a "twitch-based seamless architecture"?
Your wallet.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2520
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Posted - 2016.05.27 07:54:17 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:What's a "twitch-based seamless architecture"? Your wallet. Read the blogs ... OMFG Was not following anymore, had already written off my 60$ backer fund ... BUT without SC and E:D I probably wouldn't play EvE today, so yeah it was worth it.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Ka Plaa
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
297
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Posted - 2016.05.29 18:46:47 -
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Reading that article makes me want to hug EvE Online. EvE has it's issues and frustrations with the dev company, certainly, but in comparison?...*hugs EvE*
"The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2016.05.29 20:57:44 -
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Ka Plaa wrote:Reading that article makes me want to hug EvE Online. EvE has it's issues and frustrations with the dev company, certainly, but in comparison?...*hugs EvE*
Well, SC can't be compared to anything. It's in its own league as a unprecedented disastrous enterprise. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
26183
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Posted - 2016.05.30 00:30:21 -
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The popcorn
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Snagletooth Scott
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.30 02:52:49 -
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Hahahahahahaha
Dereck Smart
Hahahahahahaha
Dereck...heheh...Dereck Smart is soo biased against CR he makes MSNBC look truly partisan
You might as well be linking Ken Ham about Evolution.
Hahahahahaha
You guys must truly be afraid of might happen to SC if you are lowering yourselves to quoting Dereck...really really afraid. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
5272
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Posted - 2016.05.30 06:39:45 -
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Snagletooth Scott wrote:Hahahahahahaha
Dereck Smart
Hahahahahahaha
Dereck...heheh...Dereck Smart is soo biased against CR he makes MSNBC look truly partisan
You might as well be linking Ken Ham about Evolution.
Hahahahahaha
You guys must truly be afraid of what might happen to Eve if you are lowering yourselves to quoting Dereck about SC...really really afraid.
Please show us that game that looks as the fruit of 114 million $ and 3 and half years of work.
Or as the game I backed up, the one that would cost 10-15 milion $ and I'd be playing for the last 19 months after being released in November 2014.
We know that DS is DS. But then, even DS delivers something, and does it on his money... quite unlike Chis Roberts.
PS: The best part I got from backing SC in October 2012 was the tip that E:D was being developed. I sitll haven't played E:D but I'm ready to join it when it reaches the point I wish (avatar content)... |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
11361
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Posted - 2016.05.30 19:06:59 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Snagletooth Scott wrote:Hahahahahahaha
Dereck Smart
Hahahahahahaha
Dereck...heheh...Dereck Smart is soo biased against CR he makes MSNBC look truly partisan
You might as well be linking Ken Ham about Evolution.
Hahahahahaha
You guys must truly be afraid of what might happen to Eve if you are lowering yourselves to quoting Dereck about SC...really really afraid. Please show us that game that looks as the fruit of 114 million $ and 3 and half years of work. Or as the game I backed up, the one that would cost 10-15 milion $ and I'd be playing for the last 19 months after being released in November 2014. We know that DS is DS. But then, even DS delivers something, and does it on his money... quite unlike Chis Roberts. PS: The best part I got from backing SC in October 2012 was the tip that E:D was being developed. I sitll haven't played E:D but I'm ready to join it when it reaches the point I wish (avatar content)...
You will be able to create character and pilot ships with others few updates ahead. Meanwhile you can watch trailer for Engineers update.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ =ƒÅ¦ - my sandcastle
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Planetary Interaction 2.1
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5281
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Posted - 2016.05.30 19:58:01 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Snagletooth Scott wrote:Hahahahahahaha
Dereck Smart
Hahahahahahaha
Dereck...heheh...Dereck Smart is soo biased against CR he makes MSNBC look truly partisan
You might as well be linking Ken Ham about Evolution.
Hahahahahaha
You guys must truly be afraid of what might happen to Eve if you are lowering yourselves to quoting Dereck about SC...really really afraid. Please show us that game that looks as the fruit of 114 million $ and 3 and half years of work. Or as the game I backed up, the one that would cost 10-15 milion $ and I'd be playing for the last 19 months after being released in November 2014. We know that DS is DS. But then, even DS delivers something, and does it on his money... quite unlike Chis Roberts. PS: The best part I got from backing SC in October 2012 was the tip that E:D was being developed. I sitll haven't played E:D but I'm ready to join it when it reaches the point I wish (avatar content)... You will be able to create character and pilot ships with others few updates ahead. Meanwhile you can watch trailer for Engineers update.
Yes, I know. I guess we won't get other clothes than the ugly spacesuit, but will be interesting if they let customize the... huh... curved surfaces of (f) commanders. |
Snagletooth Scott
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.05.30 21:50:35 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Snagletooth Scott wrote:Hahahahahahaha
Dereck Smart
Hahahahahahaha
Dereck...heheh...Dereck Smart is soo biased against CR he makes MSNBC look truly partisan
You might as well be linking Ken Ham about Evolution.
Hahahahahaha
You guys must truly be afraid of what might happen to Eve if you are lowering yourselves to quoting Dereck about SC...really really afraid. Please show us that game that looks as the fruit of 114 million $ and 3 and half years of work. Or as the game I backed up, the one that would cost 10-15 milion $ and I'd be playing for the last 19 months after being released in November 2014. We know that DS is DS. But then, even DS delivers something, and does it on his money... quite unlike Chis Roberts. PS: The best part I got from backing SC in October 2012 was the tip that E:D was being developed. I sitll haven't played E:D but I'm ready to join it when it reaches the point I wish (avatar content)...
The first iteration of persitstence just went in as is getting tested and debugged as we speak. SQ42 just wrapped up MoCap reshoots and most if not all the art is done. All they need to do is put it togther and start internal testing. Ship pipeline for most manufacturers are done and ships are coming online pretty fast. economy is in, although not fully fledge out, but it is in.
Especially when you consider they started from scratch, as where established companies already have most of their basic assets and tools already in place, they are ahead of schedule for what they making if someone else like EA or Sony tried to do this.
DS delivers **** on a platter, then claims someone stole his ideas to divert the fact the platter is ****. He bans tester who find major bugs. He's being sued for slander. He has a personal vendaetta against Chris. You follow anything he has to say, you are only fostering your ignorance. ignorance is never an excuse. |
Ka Plaa
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
316
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Posted - 2016.05.31 00:06:04 -
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We are almost to the gold land! It is just a little further! We are almost to the gold land! It is just a little further! We are almost to the gold land! It is just a little further! We are almost to the gold land! It is just a little further! We are almost to the gold land! It is just a little further!
5 years 114 million dollars...
I'm just glad I only bought the basic starter pack and didn't waste much more money. People can keep sinking their money and mental state into that black hole if they wish...but I considered my money gone and stopped paying attention to the whole mess long ago.
It's not what one person says...the facts speak for themselves...
but w/e, gl with all that. I'm off to enjoy EvE such as people have been able to do for many years now. 0/
"The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
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Arkady Vachon
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1418
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Posted - 2016.06.01 07:38:22 -
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I always take a wait and see attitude on things before I buy into, or back, them. (except for the new second edition of the 7th Sea tabletop RPG, I DID back that...lol..)
Quite glad I didn't initially back Star Citizen, all I have is a forum account, also under the name Vachon, on there.
The way things are going from what I have read and watched it is looking highly unlikely that I ever will back them.
But, like any right minded EVE player should think, if they ever come out with this game, then I want the following to happen on launch day.
That Chris Roberts comes out like Garriott did in UO (coming out as Lord British in his day) to parade triumphantly in his brand new game....
And then enterprising players (most likely from EVE) find a way to blow him out of the sky, or kamikaze him.
Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content
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Varcutii Renalard
5
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Posted - 2016.06.01 17:51:12 -
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So. Basically. ... This SC game... thing, ... makes CQ and the Incarna release hype a total and complete success story.
Amazing! |
DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
2848
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Posted - 2016.06.02 18:08:12 -
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Snagletooth Scott wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Snagletooth Scott wrote:Hahahahahahaha
Dereck Smart
Hahahahahahaha
Dereck...heheh...Dereck Smart is soo biased against CR he makes MSNBC look truly partisan
You might as well be linking Ken Ham about Evolution.
Hahahahahaha
You guys must truly be afraid of what might happen to Eve if you are lowering yourselves to quoting Dereck about SC...really really afraid. Please show us that game that looks as the fruit of 114 million $ and 3 and half years of work. Or as the game I backed up, the one that would cost 10-15 milion $ and I'd be playing for the last 19 months after being released in November 2014. We know that DS is DS. But then, even DS delivers something, and does it on his money... quite unlike Chis Roberts. PS: The best part I got from backing SC in October 2012 was the tip that E:D was being developed. I sitll haven't played E:D but I'm ready to join it when it reaches the point I wish (avatar content)... The first iteration of persitstence just went in as is getting tested and debugged as we speak. SQ42 just wrapped up MoCap reshoots and most if not all the art is done. All they need to do is put it togther and start internal testing. Ship pipeline for most manufacturers are done and ships are coming online pretty fast. economy is in, although not fully fledge out, but it is in. Especially when you consider they started from scratch, as where established companies already have most of their basic assets and tools already in place, they are ahead of schedule for what they making if someone else like EA or Sony tried to do this. DS delivers **** on a platter, then claims someone stole his ideas to divert the fact the platter is ****. He bans tester who find major bugs. He's being sued for slander. He has a personal vendaetta against Chris. You follow anything he has to say, you are only fostering your ignorance. ignorance is never an excuse.
I'll merely say we will see. The videos i have seen show SC as a complete train wreck of epic proportions. How much have you sunk into it exactly? And the little footage of SQ42 looks like ****. Like it should of come out on PS1.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Ka Plaa
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
319
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Posted - 2016.06.02 18:37:44 -
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Snagletooth Scott wrote:...
The first iteration of persitstence just went in as is getting tested and debugged as we speak. SQ42 just wrapped up MoCap reshoots and most if not all the art is done. All they need to do is put it togther and start internal testing. Ship pipeline for most manufacturers are done and ships are coming online pretty fast. economy is in, although not fully fledge out, but it is in.
Especially when you consider they started from scratch, as where established companies already have most of their basic assets and tools already in place, they are ahead of schedule for what they making if someone else like EA or Sony tried to do this.
... GÖ½GÖ¬ don't stop, believin', hold on to that lovin' feelin GÖ¬GÖ½
"The Crowd Is Untruth" - Kierkegaard
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DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
2849
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Posted - 2016.06.02 18:53:48 -
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Gonna go very slightly off topic.
With E:D and SC (which will NEVER come out) and other space mmo's doing avatar play, ccp should REALLY take a second look at walking in stations.
But anyway
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7753
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Posted - 2016.06.02 19:40:39 -
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DaReaper wrote:Gonna go very slightly off topic.
With E:D and SC (which will NEVER come out) and other space mmo's doing avatar play, ccp should REALLY take a second look at walking in stations.
But anyway
I'm having a Toecutter moment: "But we're going to teach him, Bubba!" (First Mad Max film)
Two things have to happen.
First, the min/max sperging must be dealt with. That is, that crowd to whom anything that is not directly by, of, for, related to, increasing, improving, addressing, and coddling the "Muh ISK" or "Muh stats" must be ignored when they come in swarms to scream and cry about anything not related to their obsession. Where it up to them the game would be nothing but mining lasers and gate camps.
Second, if CCP just makes WiS a useless content thing, then the Muh ISK/stats crowd ends up getting proven right. So they can't just "open the door", there needs to be a reason for it, like smuggling, crime, reasons not to be in the capsule where every move is tracked and traced, etc. How and why? I have no idea. Imagine if leaving the capsule made you disappear from local. Imagine if in order to sell illegal boosters you have to go "downstairs" to the darker levels of a station.
A corporation hootch where you can put corpses in huge glass tubes (people you have taken a mild disagreement with, perhaps?) would also be the ticket. I would also, were it up to meGäó, make "avatar play" free to play, locking down PLEX/Sub to "strictly pilots license" and go with MT for station-side stuff.
But ultimately: fighting in stations. Guns. When do we get guns? It's not a video game without guns.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14166
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Posted - 2016.06.03 12:44:50 -
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After years of the existence of Star Trek Online (which has this all important "avatar play"), you'd think it would be understood that EVE is fine without 'avatar gameplay'. Not only would it not add anything vital to the game, it would might even detract from it (meaning fewer people in space interacting, in a game whose virtual economy is tied to people expending things in space).
What CCP is actually doing (making separate games to cater to different play styles/cultures) is the smartest things they ever did. I know people have this utopians dream of an all encompassing "EVERYGAME" all-in-one universe, but such a game needs to be built from the ground up with those ideas in mind.
Trying to 're-jigger' a spaceship game that only barely does spaceships (EVE ships aren't ships, they are just spheres with omnidirectional weapons and skins that look like space ships lol) to have avatar gameplay (and atmospheric flight and real 'planetary interaction') was a foolish pursuit, and I'm glad CCP isn't doing that anymore. Notice how they've even stopped talking about being able to target and shoot at different sections of a ship....it's because they have no sections, it's a sphere...
Opposition to these unrealistic ideas has nothing to do with min/maxing. It's just that some of us LIKE that EVE is focused on what it does well, instead of trying to be some sloppy hodge-podge of everything like all these other games do (think STO again). Games they try to please everyone, and try to 'include' everyone, well, those games suck, and I for one would rather not see EVE suck.
5 years and 114 million bucks and Cloud Imperium can't deliver even after having the advantage of building their game from whole cloth, what makes any of you think CCP could while using this old game as a platform? Did you all miss the past debacles of WoD and DUST? |
DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
2849
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Posted - 2016.06.03 16:36:12 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:After years of the existence of Star Trek Online (which has this all important "avatar play"), you'd think it would be understood that EVE is fine without 'avatar gameplay'. Not only would it not add anything vital to the game, it would might even detract from it (meaning fewer people in space interacting, in a game whose virtual economy is tied to people expending things in space).
What CCP is actually doing (making separate games to cater to different play styles/cultures) is the smartest things they ever did. I know people have this utopians dream of an all encompassing "EVERYGAME" all-in-one universe, but such a game needs to be built from the ground up with those ideas in mind.
Trying to 're-jigger' a spaceship game that only barely does spaceships (EVE ships aren't ships, they are just spheres with omnidirectional weapons and skins that look like space ships lol) to have avatar gameplay (and atmospheric flight and real 'planetary interaction') was a foolish pursuit, and I'm glad CCP isn't doing that anymore. Notice how they've even stopped talking about being able to target and shoot at different sections of a ship....it's because they have no sections, it's a sphere...
Opposition to these unrealistic ideas has nothing to do with min/maxing. It's just that some of us LIKE that EVE is focused on what it does well, instead of trying to be some sloppy hodge-podge of everything like all these other games do (think STO again). Games they try to please everyone, and try to 'include' everyone, well, those games suck, and I for one would rather not see EVE suck.
5 years and 114 million bucks and Cloud Imperium can't deliver even after having the advantage of building their game from whole cloth, what makes any of you think CCP could while using this old game as a platform? Did you all miss the past debacles of WoD and DUST?
oh i don;t disagree with you. i'm just saying, avatar play could be fun. eve doens't lose much though without it. and if Nova becomes a good thing, then it will even out. i still want the 2014 vision though. but back on topic.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
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NeoShocker
Oppose Militancy and Neutralize Invasion. Exodus.
225
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Posted - 2016.06.14 07:46:31 -
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I'll say it again, from what I stated 8 years ago (now 10 years of eve).
"No game will ever compete with Eve-Online for a few years." Been more than a "few" years and Eve-Online is still the most unique game. Single server? check (well, ok, there is Serenity ...). Scam, steal, espionage, and other "illegal" or "bad" activities that is allowed? Check. Sandbox? Check. Graphics shiny updates? Super check. I don't really see any game that does those four features at the same time.
Developing a game is not easy at all, so I kinda feel for SC Devs, but I do want it to fail so I can laugh at the backers with passion. The only thing I ever backed was Mighty Man no 9. I am glad that is going to be released very soon! |
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1146
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Posted - 2016.06.15 06:06:25 -
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Eh. SC 2.4 now has persistence. Still a long way off, but I suppose they will get there eventually.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Dornier Pfeil
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2016.06.20 14:51:19 -
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I like that EvE O is not twitch based. Being the captain of a starship is more interesting than being the pilot of a starfighter. If anything I wish there were more bridge style commands possible for the UI.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Link. Quote:Before you say Eve Online has done it; donGÇÖt GÇô they havenGÇÖt. If youGÇÖre a programmer, go ahead and read up on the EO architecture ( 1, 2) GÇô which btw has been drastically improved upon over the years. That EO bespoke architecture was built from the ground up as part of the engine and for a specific game. A game thatGÇÖs not twitch-based or anywhere near the fidelity of the seamless architecture that Star Citizen is shooting for.
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