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CCP Lebowski
C C P C C P Alliance
721
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Posted - 2016.04.26 17:54:05 -
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Greetings Capital pilots!
As I'm sure many of you are aware, tomorrow we are bringing you an extensive update to the Capital Ships of New Eden. This involves many moving pieces so to make the transition as smooth as possible we're making this thread to detail what you can expect to find when you log in after tomorrow's downtime.
[NOTE: THIS TRANSITION IS VERY IMPORTANT IF YOU HAVE A CARRIER OR SUPERCARRIER OR ANY FIGHTERS, PLEASE READ IN FULL!]
Fighters & Drones
- Existing Fighters are being multiplied by 6 (Their size & construction costs are reducing by a similar amount).
- Existing Fighter-Bombers are being multiplied by 4 (Their size & construction costs are reducing by a similar amount).
- Fighters will be moved into the new Fighter Bays of their respective ships.
- Fighter manufacturing jobs will have their outputs multiplied appropriately.
Carriers
- If your Carrier DOES have a triage module fitted during the patch: It will be converted into their factional equivalent Force Auxiliary!
- If your Carrier DOES NOT have a triage module fitted during the patch: Nothing will happen
Drones in Carriers/Supercarriers As drones can no longer be used by these ships, we need to move them to an appropriate location.
- For character-owned ships, this will be the hangar bay of their home-station as listed on the character sheet.
- For corporation-owned ships, this will be the corporate HQ
- For ships owned by neither a character nor a corporation (such as ships in a contract) we'll put them in the ship's main cargo hold, and then let the new owner sort it out when he gets the ship.
Force Auxiliary Skills We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills along with this conversion. However we have encountered some complications that mean that we do not feel confident delivering this tomorrow. This will still happen in the coming weeks (Or at the latest by the next release). Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause!
Thats it! Hopefully this should clear up any concerns you may have and leave you with all the information required to be ready to go as soon as the patch hits.
Fly safe!
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0
@CCP_Lebowski
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3421
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Posted - 2016.04.26 17:58:18 -
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CCP Lebowski wrote: For ships owned by neither a character nor a corporation (such as ships in a contract) we'll put them in the ship's main cargo hold, and then let the new owner sort it out when he gets the ship. Is a ship floating unpiloted in space considered to be un-owned for this purpose?
Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
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Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Circle-Of-Two
107
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Posted - 2016.04.26 18:14:01 -
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When the carriers are converted to FAX, does the triage module stay fitted or is it "consumed" in the process.
I would think it remains fitted, but wanted to check. |
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman
Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen
117
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Posted - 2016.04.26 18:14:22 -
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What happens to fighter market orders? Do they get canceled or adjusted? |
Rock Brackenshield
Bearded BattleBears I N F A M O U S
17
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Posted - 2016.04.26 18:16:26 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote: For ships owned by neither a character nor a corporation (such as ships in a contract) we'll put them in the ship's main cargo hold, and then let the new owner sort it out when he gets the ship. Is a ship floating unpiloted in space considered to be un-owned for this purpose?
I think it depends on how it got there. If ejected from an SMA or other POS module, I believe it's considered corp owned (maybe?), while if the pilot ejected, it's 'owned' by whomever ejected.
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Madlightning
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7
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Posted - 2016.04.26 18:43:42 -
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THANK YOU CCP OMG I HAVE BEEN WAITING TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON LOL i been like od i need to drop plexs on like 100 fighters befor the patch or do i rage quit but now i know thank you lol |
Pellion Pendragon
Hunters Inc. The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron
0
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Posted - 2016.04.26 18:49:02 -
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Will fighters in station also be multiplied? |
EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.04.26 18:54:55 -
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"We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills"
so ive been training the FAX skills since they were released (as in, before they announced they were gonna use existing carrier skill) to get a head start, remapped and implanted for max SP/hr and cheekily decided to keep training until the skills were revoked and the SP reimbursed, thinking i could then distribute the copious amounts of SP back into new skills like light fighters and etc...
**** me i guess, right?
sigh
http://pastebin.com/z0nFzapU
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Parah Salin McCain
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:10:47 -
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^Absolutely **** you, that's the price you pay for speculation. What a dumbass! |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
729
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:10:55 -
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So buy 1 fighter today, then have 6 tomorrow, then sell all 6 for the price of 6 fighters before?
Would that be considered an exploit? |
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Bubbleup Now
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:16:17 -
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Miss 'Assassination' Cayman wrote:What happens to fighter market orders? Do they get canceled or adjusted?
All market orders for Fighters/Fighter Bombers are being cancelled and ISK spent to initiate the orders is being refunded.
People will have a chance to put up new orders post patch.
Celthric Kanerian wrote:So buy 1 fighter today, then have 6 tomorrow, then sell all 6 for the price of 6 fighters before?
Would that be considered an exploit?
How is selling a fighter for an overpriced amount an exploit? You can sell whatever you want at any price you want post patch. If you want to try to sell them at the old price there is nothing stopping you, or preventing your market competitors from cutting under you on price.
Please sell me your fighters at 1 ISK/unit, k thnx. |
Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Circle-Of-Two
107
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:21:43 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:So buy 1 fighter today, then have 6 tomorrow, then sell all 6 for the price of 6 fighters before?
Would that be considered an exploit?
LOL you could try that, but the market will adjust.
You might get lucky right after downtime and be able to sell to someone who did not adjust their buy orders, but since the material cost is also being cut, you technically should not be any better or worse off.
In theory, the market will adjust immediately, but in practice, you will probably be able to find someone who does not change their orders. (unless CCP auto adjusts buy orders but I doubt it) |
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
106
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:23:27 -
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CCP Lebowski wrote:Greetings Capital pilots! ....
Force Auxiliary Skills We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills along with this conversion. However we have encountered some complications that mean that we do not feel confident delivering this tomorrow. This will still happen in the coming weeks (Or at the latest by the next release). Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause!
So clarification, which skill immediately after the patch will be required to pilot a Force Auxiliary? The Force Aux. skill due to be removed and repaid, or the carrier skill book currently used for carriers? |
Silk75
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:24:33 -
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EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda wrote:"We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills"
so ive been training the FAX skills since they were released (as in, before they announced they were gonna use existing carrier skill) to get a head start, remapped and implanted for max SP/hr and cheekily decided to keep training until the skills were revoked and the SP reimbursed, thinking i could then distribute the copious amounts of SP back into new skills like light fighters and etc...
**** me i guess, right?
sigh
Because you can't read I've made things bolder
Quote:This will still happen in the coming weeks (Or at the latest by the next release). |
Riverwind Malukker
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:25:50 -
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CCP Lebowski wrote:Greetings Capital pilots!
A Drones in Carriers/Supercarriers As drones can no longer be used by these ships, we need to move them to an appropriate location. [list] For character-owned ships, this will be the hangar bay of their home-station as listed on the character sheet.
If I understood that correctly that means if my carrier with drones in the drone bay is currently in Station A, but my home station listed in the character sheet is in Station B, then my drones after the patch will appear in Station B?
Why not just have them be put in whatever station the carrier is docked at? |
Isengrimus
Call of the Wild The Minions.
32
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:29:07 -
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What will happen to the not fitted Triage modules (e.g. in cargo holds or hangars)? Will they be reimbursed, as no longer in use, or will they be simply used by the Force Auxiliaries just like they were used by triage carriers? |
Jayne Fillon
831
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:30:59 -
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CCP Lebowski wrote:Greetings Capital pilots! Drones in Carriers/SupercarriersAs drones can no longer be used by these ships, we need to move them to an appropriate location. - For character-owned ships, this will be the hangar bay of their home-station as listed on the character sheet.
- For corporation-owned ships, this will be the corporate HQ
- For ships owned by neither a character nor a corporation (such as ships in a contract) we'll put them in the ship's main cargo hold, and then let the new owner sort it out when he gets the ship.
Fly safe!
This does not apply to supers.
Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
729
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:32:44 -
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Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote:Greetings Capital pilots! ....
Force Auxiliary Skills We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills along with this conversion. However we have encountered some complications that mean that we do not feel confident delivering this tomorrow. This will still happen in the coming weeks (Or at the latest by the next release). Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause! So clarification, which skill immediately after the patch will be required to pilot a Force Auxiliary? The Force Aux. skill due to be removed and repaid, or the carrier skill book currently used for carriers? Again I'm talking tomorrow which is needed, not later. -¿
Carrier skill.
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Sphit Ker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
205
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:33:34 -
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I understand the Fighters skillbook is being split in two. Assume I have Fighters V in the bank, what is to happen to it?
It knows what you think.
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Zeratul Stark
Talocan Exploration and Research
10
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:33:46 -
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Oh great CCP overlords, could you please explain more how fighters will work with Citadels? For example, are the Fighters skills needed to load, launch, and control fighters from structures? Will the % damage bonus from the person controlling the structure apply to those fighters? I think it's important to clearly state this so we know if we have to train to spend the not-insignificant time training into fighters as well as the new structure skills in order to utilize even the Astrahus to the fullest. |
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EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:34:58 -
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Silk75 wrote:EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda wrote:"We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills"
so ive been training the FAX skills since they were released (as in, before they announced they were gonna use existing carrier skill) to get a head start, remapped and implanted for max SP/hr and cheekily decided to keep training until the skills were revoked and the SP reimbursed, thinking i could then distribute the copious amounts of SP back into new skills like light fighters and etc...
**** me i guess, right?
sigh Because you can't read I've made things bolder Quote:This will still happen in the coming weeks (Or at the latest by the next release).
well, i planned on putting that SP directly into the new fighter skills and buffing the hangar size one which are not trained at all, so this makes me completly useless post patch...but thanks for trying to be edgy i guess
http://pastebin.com/z0nFzapU
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Syri Taneka
Un4seen Development Sev3rance
137
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:43:24 -
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If you looked at the Features & Ideas post you would have known... probably a month or so ago, that the FauX skill was being deprecated due to player feedback. |
EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:48:29 -
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Syri Taneka wrote:If you looked at the Features & Ideas post you would have known... probably a month or so ago, that the FauX skill was being deprecated due to player feedback.
m8 this seems over your head in understanding
http://pastebin.com/z0nFzapU
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Miss 'Assassination' Cayman
Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen
117
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Posted - 2016.04.26 19:55:06 -
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Sphit Ker wrote:I understand the Fighters skillbook is being split in two. Assume I have Fighters V in the bank, what is to happen to it? You'll keep Fighters V and it will be a useful skill. To continue using your fighters you'll need to train Light Fighters to 1 though. |
Parah Salin McCain
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2016.04.26 20:02:34 -
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EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda wrote: well, i planned on putting that SP directly into the new fighter skills and buffing the hangar size one which are not trained at all, so this makes me completly useless post patch...but thanks for trying to be edgy i guess
Sort your neck out and shut up. You made a mistake, move on.
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Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
927
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Posted - 2016.04.26 20:08:03 -
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Madlightning wrote:THANK YOU CCP OMG I HAVE BEEN WAITING TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON LOL i been like od i need to drop plexs on like 100 fighters befor the patch or do i rage quit but now i know thank you lol You realize, your still going to need to drop a lot of isk on fighters right?
Current fighters will become T1 "whatever" light fighters - Which will only be useful to turn into T2's as T1's aren't worth spit to actually use.
This change has been nicely configured to get carrier and super pilots to open their wallets (isk or plex depending on your play style and in game wealth) and spend, spend, spend. Rough estimate - 6 T1 light fighters are being exchanged at +-20 mil. 6 T2 light fighters will run you close to 40 mil; or 60 mil for a squad of 9.
Q; What happens to excess fighters if the carrier has more than 14 current fighters (they won't fit in anything other than a max skilled Thanatos) , will they get moved to other hangars (if they aren't also full)? Or will the new fighter management bays just be overloaded, so you can't move or use the ship until excess fighters are removed?
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Maria Kitiare
Overload This
28
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Posted - 2016.04.26 20:09:16 -
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CCP Lebowski wrote:Drones in Carriers/SupercarriersAs drones can no longer be used by these ships, we need to move them to an appropriate location. - For character-owned ships, this will be the hangar bay of their home-station as listed on the character sheet.
- For corporation-owned ships, this will be the corporate HQ
- For ships owned by neither a character nor a corporation (such as ships in a contract) we'll put them in the ship's main cargo hold, and then let the new owner sort it out when he gets the ship.
Are carriers floating in space considered character-owned, corporation-owned or without owner?
Is it based on last pilot in the ship, and if ejected from an SMA, would that then be corp-owned? |
Moss VI
Black Flag Exploration
0
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Posted - 2016.04.26 20:19:18 -
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Thanks CCP! Looking forward to another paperweight in my hanger. What happens to Gecko?
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EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.04.26 20:23:18 -
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Parah Salin McCain wrote:EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda wrote: well, i planned on putting that SP directly into the new fighter skills and buffing the hangar size one which are not trained at all, so this makes me completly useless post patch...but thanks for trying to be edgy i guess
Sort your neck out and shut up. You made a mistake, move on.
was responding to someone else duder....
http://pastebin.com/z0nFzapU
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Alleron Shazih
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.04.26 20:37:20 -
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EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda wrote:Silk75 wrote:EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda wrote:"We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills"
so ive been training the FAX skills since they were released (as in, before they announced they were gonna use existing carrier skill) to get a head start, remapped and implanted for max SP/hr and cheekily decided to keep training until the skills were revoked and the SP reimbursed, thinking i could then distribute the copious amounts of SP back into new skills like light fighters and etc...
**** me i guess, right?
sigh Because you can't read I've made things bolder Quote:This will still happen in the coming weeks (Or at the latest by the next release). well, i planned on putting that SP directly into the new fighter skills and buffing the hangar size one which are not trained at all, so this makes me completly useless post patch...but thanks for trying to be edgy i guess
So you intentionally gamed the system and tried to exploit a loophole to earn more free skillpoints and you want CCP to address your needs when it turns out that won't work exactly as planned? Wow. |
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
146
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Posted - 2016.04.26 21:07:49 -
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Tomorrow will be the New Eden definition of the C-F in CFC.
The popcorn is in the microwave
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Miss 'Assassination' Cayman
Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen
117
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Posted - 2016.04.26 21:11:39 -
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Moss VI wrote:Thanks CCP! Looking forward to another paperweight in my hanger. What happens to Gecko?
You sell those to the Rattlesnake pilots. |
Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem
524
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Posted - 2016.04.26 21:49:24 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:Tomorrow will be the New Eden definition of the C-F in CFC.
The popcorn is in the microwave
~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~
I think retreating to hold less space is probably a good idea with citadels. Wont these things turn systems into cities?
Omar Alharazaad > Pretty much any time you blow something up in space it's bound to annoy someone or something.
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Imustbecomfused
Negative Density
64
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Posted - 2016.04.26 22:02:14 -
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CCP Lebowski wrote:Greetings Capital pilots!
Force Auxiliary Skills We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills along with this conversion.
Fly safe!
Did I miss something?
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Glornak Ironspawn
Dave's Tax Shelter Federal United Battalion of Armed Renegades
2
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Posted - 2016.04.26 22:36:35 -
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Seems nobody here played on the test server if they think this is a nerf to carriers. The new fighters do MORE damage collectively and can apply it to smaller ships. Including the utility of the new support fighters that can ECM, web and point. The ECMs most importantly put carriers above dreads (and supers if your lucky) in a hitting match. Other things like the 5km lock range, general fighter controls allow you to set orbit distance of the fighters, emergency hull energiser allows you to survive drive by DDs, mids and lows are free due to support fighters. The list can go on.
All in all this is a buff to carriers. |
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman
Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen
117
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Posted - 2016.04.26 22:47:19 -
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Imustbecomfused wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote:Greetings Capital pilots!
Force Auxiliary Skills We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills along with this conversion.
Fly safe! Did I miss something? Yes, you missed where he said
CCP Lebowski wrote:However we have encountered some complications that mean that we do not feel confident delivering this tomorrow. This will still happen in the coming weeks (Or at the latest by the next release). Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause!
The Force Auxiliary skills were abandoned a week or so after they were seeded in favor of using the existing carrier skills. |
Ravcharas
Infinite Point Violence of Action.
501
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Posted - 2016.04.26 22:51:03 -
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Quote:This involves many moving pieces so to make the transition as smooth as possible we're making this thread to detail what you can expect to find when you log in after tomorrow's downtime. Is this not the kind of change that warrants e-mails, eve-mails, and devblogs with huge block letters well ahead of time? |
Martin Gregor
Kriegsmarinewerft Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.04.26 23:49:56 -
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As you did not mention this: - What happens to fighters in sellorders and what happens to buyorders ? Are they going to be multiplied as well? |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
927
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Posted - 2016.04.27 00:11:14 -
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Martin Gregor wrote:As you did not mention this: - What happens to fighters in sellorders and what happens to buyorders ? Are they going to be multiplied as well? They should all be cancelled and fees refunded as the item your currently selling will no longer exist. It will have been transformed into a cheaper replica of itself.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Hasslnd
Gracie Lemmont's Blessed Corporation.
1
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Posted - 2016.04.27 00:29:17 -
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So.... If I have some random fighters/bombers in jita they will just get multiplied then. |
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Jimmie Smith
Space Wolves ind. SYNDICATED
0
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Posted - 2016.04.27 00:47:14 -
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Hey there all yous EVE players.
This patch sounds cool and as I am a experimenter (TEST PILOT) for myself and corp mates, also I have a member who LOVES new situations like this so JUST hold on to your undies and take the ride. If you don't like the change or cannot grasp the concept of new fighters and new skilling then either TELL CCP about it and what can be done or just simply sell your CAPS, no fuss no tears. Let the winds of evolution roll on.
Let the patch roll in and get back to some good old fastion EVE.
P.S this is my opinion so do not rap me for my voicing this...... I think CCP is going in a great direction. |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
927
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Posted - 2016.04.27 00:47:26 -
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Alleron Shazih wrote:EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda wrote:Silk75 wrote:EnShagKushAna Lugalbanda wrote:"We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills"
so ive been training the FAX skills since they were released (as in, before they announced they were gonna use existing carrier skill) to get a head start, remapped and implanted for max SP/hr and cheekily decided to keep training until the skills were revoked and the SP reimbursed, thinking i could then distribute the copious amounts of SP back into new skills like light fighters and etc...
**** me i guess, right?
sigh Because you can't read I've made things bolder Quote:This will still happen in the coming weeks (Or at the latest by the next release). well, i planned on putting that SP directly into the new fighter skills and buffing the hangar size one which are not trained at all, so this makes me completly useless post patch...but thanks for trying to be edgy i guess So you intentionally gamed the system and tried to exploit a loophole to earn more free skillpoints and you want CCP to address your needs when it turns out that won't work exactly as planned? Wow. How is it "free" skill points? I know several people who have "racial fax" to level 4, trained before CCP changed their mind. Right now, they are not only 500 mil out of pocket but also have useless SP. There was nothing "free" about training a skill CCP decided to remove. Wow indeed.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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DharkenGray
Silversides Limited
1
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Posted - 2016.04.27 00:50:51 -
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Fighters still cannot engage an active POS with its shields up on the test server.
Will this be the case on TQ after the Citadel release as well? |
Circumstantial Evidence
304
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Posted - 2016.04.27 00:57:08 -
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Glornak Ironspawn wrote:Seems nobody here played on the test server if they think this is a nerf to carriers. The new fighters do MORE damage collectively and can apply it to smaller ships. Including the utility of the new support fighters that can ECM, web and point. [...] All in all this is a buff to carriers. This may be true, but it comes at the cost of manually targeting everything. This nerfs the popular semi-afk 'ratting carriers' of deep nullsec. They can still do the combat anomalies, but it will be a fully hands-on activity. The new all-manual world should help performance in large fleet fights. Less drone / fighter automation code running, and fewer total objects b/c a "squad" is treated as one object.
DharkenGray wrote:Fighters still cannot engage an active POS with its shields up on the test server. Can they do this now? I thought fighters didn't have sufficient optimal/falloff range to reach from a shield edge to the tower (any size). Carriers typically drop sentries to siege a tower with force field still up. |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
927
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Posted - 2016.04.27 01:10:29 -
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DharkenGray wrote:Fighters still cannot engage an active POS with its shields up on the test server.
Will this be the case on TQ after the Citadel release as well? The Ametat II has an optimal range of 40.80 km before skills - You should be able to hit a pos
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Ivana-Killyou
Capts Deranged Cavaliers Gentlemen's.Club
0
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Posted - 2016.04.27 01:17:32 -
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so i loged into sisi to check out the new thanny (one i used to could fly befor this expansion) and its going to be another 80 days skill train because of the changes for fighters so much for that wasted isk thanks ccp |
DharkenGray
Silversides Limited
1
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Posted - 2016.04.27 01:21:08 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:DharkenGray wrote:Fighters still cannot engage an active POS with its shields up on the test server.
Will this be the case on TQ after the Citadel release as well? The Ametat II has an optimal range of 40.80 km before skills - You should be able to hit a pos
I should have specified that Light Fighters still cannot engage an active POS on the test server.
Carriers (as opposed to Super Carriers) will only be able to deploy Light Fighters and Support Fighters once Citadel is released.
Today on TQ I can attack an active POS with a carrier by deploying sentries.
My specific concern is that tomorrow on TQ I will not be able to attack an active POS with a carrier. |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
927
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Posted - 2016.04.27 01:27:18 -
[48] - Quote
DharkenGray wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:DharkenGray wrote:Fighters still cannot engage an active POS with its shields up on the test server.
Will this be the case on TQ after the Citadel release as well? The Ametat II has an optimal range of 40.80 km before skills - You should be able to hit a pos I should have specified that Light Fighters still cannot engage an active POS on the test server. Carriers (as opposed to Super Carriers) will only be able to deploy Light Fighters and Support Fighters once Citadel is released. Today on TQ I can attack an active POS with a carrier by deploying sentries. My specific concern is that tomorrow on TQ I will not be able to attack an active POS with a carrier. No you won't, by design carriers will be limited (very much so) to an anti subcap role. Forget shooting POs's with a carrier and just buy a dread.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Alleron Shazih
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.04.27 02:49:25 -
[49] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote: I know several people who have "racial fax" to level 4, trained before CCP changed their mind. Right now, they are not only 500 mil out of pocket but also have useless SP. There was nothing "free" about training a skill CCP decided to remove. Wow indeed.
Free as in unassigned. Being intentionally dense does not do you any favors. If you trained Racial Fleet Aux to 4 before the new plan was announced (not even sure that was possible, but whatever) then you apparently didn't have anything else you needed to train for and are out absolutely nothing because you'll get the isk and skill points back eventually. If you trained them and did have other skills you needed to boost or needed to remap for then you are either:
A) An idiot because CCP is very upfront about how plans may change before implementation and you sacrificed your training time on the dim hope that nothing would change even that far in advance of the eventual patch.
or
B) Were playing the ultimate troll game for just this moment so that if CCP decided change the requirements, refund the points, and push back the skill refund you could crow about it on the forums. If that is case, for what it's worth, well played. Still an idiot, but well played. Hint, one half of that last line is sarcastic. |
Jolinar Fi Priett
Organ Grinders
0
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Posted - 2016.04.27 05:09:48 -
[50] - Quote
So, If you have a carrier skin currently, will you also gain the FAux skin after the update? Or will they be offered later? |
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Ivana-Killyou
Capts Deranged Cavaliers Gentlemen's.Club
0
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Posted - 2016.04.27 07:37:16 -
[51] - Quote
ok i admit some times i might be a little slow on the uptake but how you make them attack ?i set up hot keys nothing |
Imustbecomfused
Negative Density
64
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Posted - 2016.04.27 07:51:34 -
[52] - Quote
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman wrote:Imustbecomfused wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote:Greetings Capital pilots!
Force Auxiliary Skills We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills along with this conversion.
Fly safe! Did I miss something? Yes, you missed where he said CCP Lebowski wrote:However we have encountered some complications that mean that we do not feel confident delivering this tomorrow. This will still happen in the coming weeks (Or at the latest by the next release). Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause! The Force Auxiliary skills were abandoned a week or so after they were seeded in favor of using the existing carrier skills.
IDK why i didnt see it, i swear.... |
Jeb Ashimura
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2016.04.27 08:47:31 -
[53] - Quote
Redacted -- I misread "skin" as "skill". |
S810 Jr
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
22
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Posted - 2016.04.27 09:10:57 -
[54] - Quote
CCP Lebowski wrote:
For character-owned ships, this will be the hangar bay of their home-station as listed on the character sheet.
So let me get this right, you got the biggest war happening in YEARS, with people deploying and getting locked out of stations all over the place and you are magically moving their assets from the station where they are currently located inside a carrier to their medical station that they could be locked out of? And you are giving them less than 24 hours notice via a forum post?!
What is wrong with putting them in the cargo, fleet hanger or at the very least the hanger in the same station as the carrier? Isn't this what you used to do? Hell you could even leave them where they are but unable to be launched or unable to undock with them still there.
Or is this a stealth f u to the many, MANY goons that are locked out of their medical station? |
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
69
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Posted - 2016.04.27 09:17:15 -
[55] - Quote
Sphit Ker wrote:I understand the Fighters skillbook is being split in two. Assume I have Fighters V in the bank, what is to happen to it?
Nothing - your 'understanding' is wrong, I'm afraid.
It is the Fighter Bomber skill that is being converted to Heavy Fighters.
There are two new skills that you have been able to buy and train for several weeks in advance - Light Fighters and Support Fighters. Just about every carrier pilot will have these to IV by now.
Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
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Infinite Destruction
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2016.04.27 09:35:28 -
[56] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote: How is it "free" skill points? I know several people who have "racial fax" to level 4, trained before CCP changed their mind. Right now, they are not only 500 mil out of pocket but also have useless SP. There was nothing "free" about training a skill CCP decided to remove. Wow indeed.
Indeed indeed. I managed to get 5 toons trained to level 3 in all 4 racial Auxiliary skills before CCP announced they were "rethinking" the whole thing. 10 billion in skill books because (initially) CCP told us if we didn't train the skill we would lose our (racial) Carrier skill in this expansion (and yes, all 5 toons are trained to level 4 or better in each racial carrier skill). So yeah, I scrambled to get the books and start training as soon as the new expansion was released.
Seemed easy enough for them to seed the skill books. Seemed easy enough to collect the (hundreds of billions ?) of isk for the books. Seemed easy enough to let us train the skills.
But now they've encountered some complications don't feel confident in refunded us the isk and skill points ? And might not be able to do it until the next expansion (scheduled for this "summer") ? Seems a little.........odd. |
StarLite
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Static Collapse
7
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Posted - 2016.04.27 09:39:04 -
[57] - Quote
S810 Jr wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote:
For character-owned ships, this will be the hangar bay of their home-station as listed on the character sheet. So let me get this right, you got the biggest war happening in YEARS, with people deploying and getting locked out of stations all over the place and you are magically moving their assets from the station where they are currently located inside a carrier to their medical station that they could be locked out of? And you are giving them less than 24 hours notice via a forum post?! What is wrong with putting them in the cargo, fleet hanger or at the very least the hanger in the same station as the carrier? Isn't this what you used to do? Hell you could even leave them where they are but unable to be launched or unable to undock with them still there. Or is this a stealth f u to the many, MANY goons that are locked out of their medical station?
I don't think it's that bad really. The new carrier can not use any drones anyway, so you won't be losing any firepower etc. Yes, it might be a bit of a hassle that your normal subcap-drones in your carrier are not at the same station, but you can only use them in subcaps anyways. |
FallenAngel89
Protocol X
0
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Posted - 2016.04.27 10:52:09 -
[58] - Quote
Considering how nerfed carriers are, will they be allowed in high sec any time soon? It's not like they have the power to go around griefing people lol. They are basically huge battleships without the teeth. |
Celly S
River-Rats in space
434
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Posted - 2016.04.27 11:24:43 -
[59] - Quote
Alleron Shazih wrote: So you intentionally gamed the system and tried to exploit a loophole to earn more free skillpoints and you want CCP to address your needs when it turns out that won't work exactly as planned? Wow.
Not really "gaming the system" and the SP is not free in any sense of the word, in fact, I'm unsure how you could consider it free SP at all. The SP that the pilot planned to use was accrued in the normal manner and CCP did say originally that they would be reimbursing the costs and any trained SP for those skills during the update. maybe you meant to say "unallocated"?
So to be fair, the pilot's actions were based on the statements of CCP and their concern now that the announcement has been made that things will not be as we were told is Justified.
Should the pilot have stopped training the skills they knew would be defunct? Given CCP's need to make short notice changes at times, yes, but was the pilot "wrong" to continue to train those skills based on the original statement by CCP?, no.
Just saying
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PAPULA
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
100
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Posted - 2016.04.27 11:29:30 -
[60] - Quote
What about light fighters skill ? I have fighters to level 4, but after the patch i will not be able to use fighters ? if i understand that correctly ?
Now i have to buy the skill first, earn 100 million isk and then train it to level1 to be able to use the same item as i was before ?
That's just wrong. |
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Xsag
Mutated Seabass with Fricking Lazorbeams
0
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Posted - 2016.04.27 11:40:23 -
[61] - Quote
anyone taking bets downtime gets extended? =) |
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CCP Lebowski
C C P C C P Alliance
724
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Posted - 2016.04.27 11:52:52 -
[62] - Quote
Scotsman Howard wrote:When the carriers are converted to FAX, does the triage module stay fitted or is it "consumed" in the process. It remains fitted
Miss 'Assassination' Cayman wrote:What happens to fighter market orders? Do they get canceled or adjusted? Market orders will be cancelled and appropriately reimbursed.
Pellion Pendragon wrote:Will fighters in station also be multiplied? Yes
Celthric Kanerian wrote:So buy 1 fighter today, then have 6 tomorrow, then sell all 6 for the price of 6 fighters before?
Would that be considered an exploit? If you manage to make a profit that way I would consider it shrewd business
Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:So clarification, which skill immediately after the patch will be required to pilot a Force Auxiliary The carrier skill will be required
Jayne Fillon wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote:Greetings Capital pilots! Drones in Carriers/SupercarriersAs drones can no longer be used by these ships, we need to move them to an appropriate location. - For character-owned ships, this will be the hangar bay of their home-station as listed on the character sheet.
- For corporation-owned ships, this will be the corporate HQ
- For ships owned by neither a character nor a corporation (such as ships in a contract) we'll put them in the ship's main cargo hold, and then let the new owner sort it out when he gets the ship.
Fly safe! This does not apply to supers. It definitely does, as they are losing their Drone bay and gaining a Fighter bay.
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0
@CCP_Lebowski
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Vanna Kjyshy
TSOE Po1ice TSOE Consortium
0
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Posted - 2016.04.27 12:04:52 -
[63] - Quote
I have a BPO for Drone Control Units in research, it's got 92 days remaining out of 135 total, what'll happen to the bpo? Will it just change to the fighter squadron whatever or will it cancel my runtime? |
Vanna Kjyshy
TSOE Po1ice TSOE Consortium
0
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Posted - 2016.04.27 12:07:29 -
[64] - Quote
Xsag wrote:anyone taking bets downtime gets extended? =)
No bets. It's likely to happen anyhow. |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
928
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Posted - 2016.04.27 12:17:59 -
[65] - Quote
Alleron Shazih wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote: I know several people who have "racial fax" to level 4, trained before CCP changed their mind. Right now, they are not only 500 mil out of pocket but also have useless SP. There was nothing "free" about training a skill CCP decided to remove. Wow indeed.
Free as in unassigned. Being intentionally dense does not do you any favors. If you trained Racial Fleet Aux to 4 before the new plan was announced (not even sure that was possible, but whatever) then you apparently didn't have anything else you needed to train for and are out absolutely nothing because you'll get the isk and skill points back eventually. If you trained them and did have other skills you needed to boost or needed to remap for then you are either: A) An idiot because CCP is very upfront about how plans may change before implementation and you sacrificed your training time on the dim hope that nothing would change even that far in advance of the eventual patch. or B) Were playing the ultimate troll game for just this moment so that if CCP decided change the requirements, refund the points, and push back the skill refund you could crow about it on the forums. If that is case, for what it's worth, well played. Still an idiot, but well played. Hint, one half of that last line is sarcastic.
You specifically said "free" sp you said nothing about unassigned, I responded to what you typed, not to what you thought it meant and then you can only resort to call me names. Alleron Shazih - Can't manage to write what he means - then insist I am an idiot, dense and a troll. Because I responded to what he wrote instead of what he meant (which only he could know as he didn't express it in words in his post). Which of course means, I am supposed to know he meant something entirely different to what he wrote because?
NB; It was possible to train the skills to 4, many players were aiming to have it to 5 at release time to be ahead of the curve. Of course they are all stupid and trying to game the system.
Interesting you removed what i replied to - Poor attempt to validate your bad, childish posting.
PS; I won't resort to name calling but will suggest next time you look in a mirror (if you own one) you reflect on what sort of person you are. Then think about how your poorly worded, insulting, troll posts may affect others. Because you can't relay a message without the need for insults and name calling, doesn't make it acceptable.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
928
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Posted - 2016.04.27 12:29:51 -
[66] - Quote
Jayne Fillon wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote:Greetings Capital pilots! Drones in Carriers/SupercarriersAs drones can no longer be used by these ships, we need to move them to an appropriate location. - For character-owned ships, this will be the hangar bay of their home-station as listed on the character sheet.
- For corporation-owned ships, this will be the corporate HQ
- For ships owned by neither a character nor a corporation (such as ships in a contract) we'll put them in the ship's main cargo hold, and then let the new owner sort it out when he gets the ship.
Fly safe! This does not apply to supers. CCP Lebowski wrote: It definitely does, as they are losing their Drone bay and gaining a Fighter bay.
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure Supers can't use drones and haven't been able to for quite a while now. So there would be no drones to relocate.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Little Nicky
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
8
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Posted - 2016.04.27 12:30:48 -
[67] - Quote
S810 Jr wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote:
For character-owned ships, this will be the hangar bay of their home-station as listed on the character sheet. So let me get this right, you got the biggest war happening in YEARS, with people deploying and getting locked out of stations all over the place and you are magically moving their assets from the station where they are currently located inside a carrier to their medical station that they could be locked out of? And you are giving them less than 24 hours notice via a forum post?! What is wrong with putting them in the cargo, fleet hanger or at the very least the hanger in the same station as the carrier? Isn't this what you used to do? Hell you could even leave them where they are but unable to be launched or unable to undock with them still there. Or is this a stealth f u to the many, MANY goons that are locked out of their medical station?
Simple; ...I...Agree with your thoughts... and many I have talked to also agree with this statement. !!! but not just Goons...I look at it as All Players.
( Not to mention the people whom maybe out of country and cant log in...Working fly in fly out, Real Life has kept them away from a computer, to come back to these changes in sov or the game itself, and unable to change the Medical clone to save their isk...drones, fighters, fighter bombers , etc... )
Firstly; There was a expectation, when people bought these ships, ...Big or Bigger...ones...at a exorbitant price(s) I might add. Either through eve work = isk and/or via real world $ = plex = isk, to own them !!..
So now, to be either unable to move them, and/or unable to gain access to them... your now put at a further disadvantage. The original expectation to use them a certain way has been vacated with extreme prejudice, as believed by many.
This has now been changed and people whom own them, and/or build them. People see the disempowerment of these faithful Players of the past, which may leave.. to further fields as the Game has traversed to a place no one wished to fallow..
Time Will Tell
More than I talked (typed) In Years... That is all....
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Enrique Escobar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
1
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Posted - 2016.04.27 12:40:29 -
[68] - Quote
Little Nicky wrote:S810 Jr wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote:
For character-owned ships, this will be the hangar bay of their home-station as listed on the character sheet. So let me get this right, you got the biggest war happening in YEARS, with people deploying and getting locked out of stations all over the place and you are magically moving their assets from the station where they are currently located inside a carrier to their medical station that they could be locked out of? And you are giving them less than 24 hours notice via a forum post?! What is wrong with putting them in the cargo, fleet hanger or at the very least the hanger in the same station as the carrier? Isn't this what you used to do? Hell you could even leave them where they are but unable to be launched or unable to undock with them still there. Or is this a stealth f u to the many, MANY goons that are locked out of their medical station? Simple; ...I...Agree with your thoughts... and many I have talked to also agree with this statement. !!! but not just Goons...I look at it as All Players. ( Not to mention the people whom maybe out of country and cant log in...Working fly in fly out, Real Life has kept them away from a computer, to come back to these changes in sov or the game itself, and unable to change the Medical clone to save their isk...drones, fighters, fighter bombers , etc... ) Firstly; There was a expectation, when people bought these ships, ...Big or Bigger...ones...at a exorbitant price(s) I might add. Either through eve work = isk and/or via real world $ = plex = isk, to own them !!.. So now, to be either unable to move them, and/or unable to gain access to them... your now put at a further disadvantage. The original expectation to use them a certain way has been vacated with extreme prejudice, as believed by many. This has now been changed and people whom own them, and/or build them. People see the disempowerment of these faithful Players of the past, which may leave.. to further fields as the Game has traversed to a place no one wished to fallow.. Time Will Tell More than I talked (typed) In Years... That is all....
Razor status: Found |
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CCP Lebowski
C C P C C P Alliance
724
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Posted - 2016.04.27 12:57:35 -
[69] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote:Are you sure? I'm pretty sure Supers can't use drones and haven't been able to for quite a while now. So there would be no drones to relocate. True, but we always have to account for these things just in case
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0
@CCP_Lebowski
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GabrielFyre
Tactical Stability Union Apocalypse Now.
14
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Posted - 2016.04.27 13:00:50 -
[70] - Quote
PAPULA wrote:What about light fighters skill ? I have fighters to level 4, but after the patch i will not be able to use fighters ? if i understand that correctly ? Now i have to buy the skill first, earn 100 million isk and then train it to level1 to be able to use the same item as i was before ? That's just wrong.
As has happened many times over the past decade...this doesn't seem like something experience should let you be surprised about. |
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Warmeister
Fighters of the Rising Sun Dangerous Voltage
75
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Posted - 2016.04.27 13:13:31 -
[71] - Quote
S810 Jr wrote: Or is this a stealth f u to the many, MANY goons that are locked out of their medical station?
i'm going to ignore the fact that they could sd and get into the station for a moment.
if one does get locked out, and is forced to stage somewhere, and one still hasn't changed home station to current staging, then one deserves to have one's drones moved to the locked station |
Dunk Dinkle
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
131
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Posted - 2016.04.27 14:29:22 -
[72] - Quote
Trying not to be salty, but after the initial chaos of the Force Auxiliary skills, to find out that neither skill point nor ISK refunds would occur with the patch a day before is a bit frustrating. Saying that it will be fixed Soon(TM), is a cherry on top.
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Alleron Shazih
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.04.27 14:47:11 -
[73] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote:Alleron Shazih wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote: I know several people who have "racial fax" to level 4, trained before CCP changed their mind. Right now, they are not only 500 mil out of pocket but also have useless SP. There was nothing "free" about training a skill CCP decided to remove. Wow indeed.
Free as in unassigned. Being intentionally dense does not do you any favors. If you trained Racial Fleet Aux to 4 before the new plan was announced (not even sure that was possible, but whatever) then you apparently didn't have anything else you needed to train for and are out absolutely nothing because you'll get the isk and skill points back eventually. If you trained them and did have other skills you needed to boost or needed to remap for then you are either: A) An idiot because CCP is very upfront about how plans may change before implementation and you sacrificed your training time on the dim hope that nothing would change even that far in advance of the eventual patch. or B) Were playing the ultimate troll game for just this moment so that if CCP decided change the requirements, refund the points, and push back the skill refund you could crow about it on the forums. If that is case, for what it's worth, well played. Still an idiot, but well played. Hint, one half of that last line is sarcastic. You specifically said "free" sp you said nothing about unassigned, I responded to what you typed, not to what you thought it meant and then you can only resort to call me names. Alleron Shazih - Can't manage to write what he means - then insist I am an idiot, dense and a troll. Because I responded to what he wrote instead of what he meant (which only he could know as he didn't express it in words in his post). Which of course means, I am supposed to know he meant something entirely different to what he wrote because? NB; It was possible to train the skills to 4, many players were aiming to have it to 5 at release time to be ahead of the curve. Of course they are all stupid and trying to game the system. Interesting you removed what i replied to - Poor attempt to validate your bad, childish posting. PS; I won't resort to name calling but will suggest next time you look in a mirror (if you own one) you reflect on what sort of person you are. Then think about how your poorly worded, insulting, troll posts may affect others. Because you can't relay a message without the need for insults and name calling, doesn't make it acceptable.
I removed the past discussions from the quote because it was getting long. If you, or anyone, has difficulty scrolling up or going back a page to read the discussion then I contend their contribution to the discussion is going to be minimal.
Furthermore, there is no reason to be upset, concerned, or otherwise "put out" by CCP not refunding the skill points and ISK immediately with the patch because, as proven many times in the past, it will eventually happen. The only reason for anyone to have an issue with this is if they intentionally trained the skill so that when the skill points were refunded they could use that as a source of immediately available skill points that they otherwise would have not been able to obtain at the same cost (ie, time prior to patch release as opposed to purchasing them via skill injectors).
My choice of words was perfectly reasonable when taken in context if, admitted, a bit offensive and aggressive. I was also perfectly clear to anyone with the barest hint of common sense. Your attempt to deflect that and justify the blatant negative entitlement behavior is honestly just depressing. I can look at myself in the mirror just fine but I would feel ashamed if I had been the one pressing the post button on your behalf. |
Ashterothi
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
396
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Posted - 2016.04.27 16:40:04 -
[74] - Quote
Little Nicky wrote:S810 Jr wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote:
For character-owned ships, this will be the hangar bay of their home-station as listed on the character sheet. So let me get this right, you got the biggest war happening in YEARS, with people deploying and getting locked out of stations all over the place and you are magically moving their assets from the station where they are currently located inside a carrier to their medical station that they could be locked out of? And you are giving them less than 24 hours notice via a forum post?! What is wrong with putting them in the cargo, fleet hanger or at the very least the hanger in the same station as the carrier? Isn't this what you used to do? Hell you could even leave them where they are but unable to be launched or unable to undock with them still there. Or is this a stealth f u to the many, MANY goons that are locked out of their medical station? Simple; ...I...Agree with your thoughts... and many I have talked to also agree with this statement. !!! but not just Goons...I look at it as All Players. ( Not to mention the people whom maybe out of country and cant log in...Working fly in fly out, Real Life has kept them away from a computer, to come back to these changes in sov or the game itself, and unable to change the Medical clone to save their isk...drones, fighters, fighter bombers , etc... ) Firstly; There was a expectation, when people bought these ships, ...Big or Bigger...ones...at a exorbitant price(s) I might add. Either through eve work = isk and/or via real world $ = plex = isk, to own them !!.. So now, to be either unable to move them, and/or unable to gain access to them... your now put at a further disadvantage. The original expectation to use them a certain way has been vacated with extreme prejudice, as believed by many. This has now been changed and people whom own them, and/or build them. People see the disempowerment of these faithful Players of the past, which may leave.. to further fields as the Game has traversed to a place no one wished to fallow.. Time Will Tell More than I talked (typed) In Years... That is all....
If only they could have warned us ahead of time, like say in October... maybe at a big event with lots of people there... CCP make a note for next year /s
Listen to Hydrostatic Podcast for all your Empyrean needs!
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Jadefire Reynaldiz
The Branded Few The Pestilent Legion
0
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Posted - 2016.04.27 19:02:16 -
[75] - Quote
Question: Do drone damage amps still affect fighters?
How can we track and compare carrier damage? Currently my fitting window shows 0 dps. |
Celly S
River-Rats in space
434
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Posted - 2016.04.28 00:05:03 -
[76] - Quote
Jadefire Reynaldiz wrote:Question: Do drone damage amps still affect fighters?
How can we track and compare carrier damage? Currently my fitting window shows 0 dps.
"The Drone Damage Amplifier projects a multi-node quantum entanglement onto the ship's drone or fighter communications net, creating a bridged processor link that allows for better real-time trajectory projections."
o/ not sure about the other part yet
C.S.
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal.
Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular.
Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself.
A sandwich can be a great motivator.
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Lyron-Baktos
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
491
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Posted - 2016.04.28 00:06:19 -
[77] - Quote
Can't be too difficult to give us our isk back.
You should also give us some interest as well, say 10% |
Celly S
River-Rats in space
434
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Posted - 2016.04.28 00:12:29 -
[78] - Quote
Lyron-Baktos wrote:Can't be too difficult to give us our isk back.
You should also give us some interest as well, say 10%
nawwww, remember all the free game time we get each month, 15 hours or so? That should more than compensate for not having the use of a couple billion isks for a bit.
:)
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal.
Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular.
Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself.
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banga74
Ghost Net Industrialists Sock Puppet Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.04.28 02:04:41 -
[79] - Quote
Will capital drone sentry rigs on carriers be reimbursed? |
Michael Bone
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
13
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Posted - 2016.04.28 06:52:04 -
[80] - Quote
PAPULA wrote:What about light fighters skill ? I have fighters to level 4, but after the patch i will not be able to use fighters ? if i understand that correctly ? Now i have to buy the skill first, earn 100 million isk and then train it to level1 to be able to use the same item as i was before ? That's just wrong.
This. Exactly. What happened to training Destroyers or Battlecruisers skills ages ago and being awarded all the faction skills when that change was made? I try to stay far away from the pathetic "Ohh noooooes ccplease gief us sp because extended downtiem!" but seriously, you owe me Light Fighters V. And everyone else who you screwed over with this bull.
I mean, clearly this is a cool way to see if people will drop some extra USD on skill injectors to get the skill back up after you nuked it. Right on there, and please let me know what percentage rise you see in plex sales, and how many accounts who buy the plex end up injecting sp to cover the new skill needed to fly our decade old ships. That would be an interesting metric.
GabrielFyre wrote:
As has happened many times over the past decade...this doesn't seem like something experience should let you be surprised about.
Naturally. Well, since CCP has taken a dump all over us before, we shouldn't get butthurt about it now. Thanks for your insight. |
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Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
929
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Posted - 2016.04.28 08:05:17 -
[81] - Quote
Michael Bone wrote:PAPULA wrote:What about light fighters skill ? I have fighters to level 4, but after the patch i will not be able to use fighters ? if i understand that correctly ? Now i have to buy the skill first, earn 100 million isk and then train it to level1 to be able to use the same item as i was before ? That's just wrong. This. Exactly. What happened to training Destroyers or Battlecruisers skills ages ago and being awarded all the faction skills when that change was made? I try to stay far away from the pathetic "Ohh noooooes ccplease gief us sp because extended downtiem!" but seriously, you owe me Light Fighters V. And everyone else who you screwed over with this bull. I mean, clearly this is a cool way to see if people will drop some extra USD on skill injectors to get the skill back up after you nuked it. Right on there, and please let me know what percentage rise you see in plex sales, and how many accounts who buy the plex end up injecting sp to cover the new skill needed to fly our decade old ships. That would be an interesting metric. GabrielFyre wrote:
As has happened many times over the past decade...this doesn't seem like something experience should let you be surprised about.
Naturally. Well, since CCP has taken a dump all over us before, we shouldn't get butthurt about it now. Thanks for your insight. Sorry but they aren't the same decade old ships - They are far worse with much less usefulness than what we had 24 hours ago.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
929
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Posted - 2016.04.28 08:08:28 -
[82] - Quote
Michael Bone wrote:PAPULA wrote:What about light fighters skill ? I have fighters to level 4, but after the patch i will not be able to use fighters ? if i understand that correctly ? Now i have to buy the skill first, earn 100 million isk and then train it to level1 to be able to use the same item as i was before ? That's just wrong. This. Exactly. What happened to training Destroyers or Battlecruisers skills ages ago and being awarded all the faction skills when that change was made? I try to stay far away from the pathetic "Ohh noooooes ccplease gief us sp because extended downtiem!" but seriously, you owe me Light Fighters V. And everyone else who you screwed over with this bull. I mean, clearly this is a cool way to see if people will drop some extra USD on skill injectors to get the skill back up after you nuked it. Right on there, and please let me know what percentage rise you see in plex sales, and how many accounts who buy the plex end up injecting sp to cover the new skill needed to fly our decade old ships. That would be an interesting metric. GabrielFyre wrote:
As has happened many times over the past decade...this doesn't seem like something experience should let you be surprised about.
Naturally. Well, since CCP has taken a dump all over us before, we shouldn't get butthurt about it now. Thanks for your insight. Sorry but they aren't the same decade old ships - They are far worse with much less usefulness than what we had 24 hours ago.
PAPULA; They aren't close to the same item you used before, what you used before was actually useful. You will need to train that new skill to 4 and outlay more isk for T2 light fighters to get anything close to useful - T1 versions only use is in making T2's.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Celly S
River-Rats in space
434
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Posted - 2016.04.28 10:13:50 -
[83] - Quote
Michael Bone wrote:PAPULA wrote:What about light fighters skill ? I have fighters to level 4, but after the patch i will not be able to use fighters ? if i understand that correctly ? Now i have to buy the skill first, earn 100 million isk and then train it to level1 to be able to use the same item as i was before ? That's just wrong. This. Exactly. What happened to training Destroyers or Battlecruisers skills ages ago and being awarded all the faction skills when that change was made? I try to stay far away from the pathetic "Ohh noooooes ccplease gief us sp because extended downtiem!" but seriously, you owe me Light Fighters V. And everyone else who you screwed over with this bull. I mean, clearly this is a cool way to see if people will drop some extra USD on skill injectors to get the skill back up after you nuked it. Right on there, and please let me know what percentage rise you see in plex sales, and how many accounts who buy the plex end up injecting sp to cover the new skill needed to fly our decade old ships. That would be an interesting metric. GabrielFyre wrote:
As has happened many times over the past decade...this doesn't seem like something experience should let you be surprised about.
Naturally. Well, since CCP has taken a dump all over us before, we shouldn't get butthurt about it now. Thanks for your insight.
While I likely wouldn't phrase it and/or speculate as to the reasons behind it in the same way, I do agree with the spirit of the questions and I am curious in this instance what happened to the "if you could use it before the patch, you'll be able to use it after the patch" aspect of things that has long been the standard when changes were made to things, or to the skill requirements for them.
it seems to me that these changes would have followed the same deployment path or refactoring path that previous similar changes have followed.
just my opinion though.
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal.
Perception is unique in that it can be shared or singular.
Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself.
A sandwich can be a great motivator.
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Cyberstrike2027
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
6
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Posted - 2016.04.28 11:21:44 -
[84] - Quote
This whole Fighters/Light Fighters thing seems totally ridiculous, when they should really be ONE SINGLE skillbook.
I have Fighters V, and what was Fighter Bombers I, as of now, my carriers sit teethless because I can use Heavy Fighters if I had a super, but I can't use Light/Support Fighters, despite having Fighters V! How stupid!
They already scrapped the Force Auxiliary skill, now they just have to come to their senses and merge Fighters and Light Fighters into the same book and refund anyone who has trained both. That would then satisfy the "If you can use it before, you can use it now" mantra, but still allows the support fighters to use a support fighters' skillbook, since they're completely new. |
Laendra
Universalis Imperium The Bastion
81
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Posted - 2016.04.28 11:59:00 -
[85] - Quote
So, rather than put the drones into the station that your carrier is docked in, you put them in some station that you can't even dock at, without an option to reset the "Home" system of your character? What was that even based on? |
Cyberstrike2027
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
6
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Posted - 2016.04.28 13:07:29 -
[86] - Quote
Laendra wrote:So, rather than put the drones into the station that your carrier is docked in, you put them in some station that you can't even dock at, without an option to reset the "Home" system of your character? What was that even based on?
This still confuses me. Luckily my home station was just the system next door. But I've had ships that get altered in an update and have an overfilled cargohold or something and it just doesn't let me undock till I sort it out.
Why couldn't this have been done with carriers fighter bays? Multiply all the fighters, overfill all the fighter bays, and then make the players sort out their drones ON BOARD their carriers before they can undock. Why on earth take all the drones to a different station potentially the other side of the galaxy?? |
Michael Bone
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
13
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Posted - 2016.04.28 17:01:19 -
[87] - Quote
Cyberstrike2027 wrote:Laendra wrote:So, rather than put the drones into the station that your carrier is docked in, you put them in some station that you can't even dock at, without an option to reset the "Home" system of your character? What was that even based on? This still confuses me. Luckily my home station was just the system next door. But I've had ships that get altered in an update and have an overfilled cargohold or something and it just doesn't let me undock till I sort it out. Why couldn't this have been done with carriers fighter bays? Multiply all the fighters, overfill all the fighter bays, and then make the players sort out their drones ON BOARD their carriers before they can undock. Why on earth take all the drones to a different station potentially the other side of the galaxy??
This too. I was silently cursing the powers that be when I couldn't find the thousands of drones which were in my suitcase. Fortunately, my clone was set to Jita because of some sov shenanigans, so that saved me a run to drop off a load of Geckos which are no longer worth using.
If not for the good fortune, I'd have screamed about that too. I haven't been on eve for a week and a half, and come to find out I was given a whole 24 hours notice!!!! |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6017
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Posted - 2016.04.28 18:37:38 -
[88] - Quote
For what it is worth ...
It would have been a lot more convenient to have shoved them all into the redeeming system.
I should have logged-out / set my clone to Jita. I now have several billion ISK worth of drones and fighters to move. |
Michael Bone
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
13
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Posted - 2016.04.28 18:48:42 -
[89] - Quote
Tau Cabalander wrote:For what it is worth ...
It would have been a lot more convenient to have shoved them all into the redeeming system.
I should have logged-out / set my clone to Jita. I now have several billion ISK worth of drones and fighters to move.
Agreed, though I'm not sure that's possible with their tools. Really anything other than what they did would have been better. |
IraS PL
Kerberos Inc. The Otherworld
0
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Posted - 2016.04.30 16:50:41 -
[90] - Quote
I posted this in the issues but did not get a response. Let's see if this helps:
You reduced the material requirements but not the construction time for the fighters, it takes 12 hrs to make a squadron.... Please consider reducing this accordingly... |
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MaverickScot
Unidentified Flying Saucer
78
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Posted - 2016.05.01 18:25:09 -
[91] - Quote
What you can fly before, etc. While this is true why would I fly my Thanatos without weapons. I have to train to use my firblogs again and I have to pay for the privilege to do so. I'm assuming this is to force people back into sub caps as after the nerf to jump range then the added jump fatigue I might just sell the carrier.
Hate what has happened to carriers and I just returned to the game after an 18 month sabbatical. Next you'll be taking my POS's off of me.... Oh wait.
What happened to all my drones? Did they just turn into firblogs that I can't use? They are not in the station with my carrier. |
Michael Bone
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
13
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Posted - 2016.05.02 21:18:21 -
[92] - Quote
MaverickScot wrote:What you can fly before, etc. While this is true why would I fly my Thanatos without weapons. I have to train to use my firblogs again and I have to pay for the privilege to do so. I'm assuming this is to force people back into sub caps as after the nerf to jump range then the added jump fatigue I might just sell the carrier.
Hate what has happened to carriers and I just returned to the game after an 18 month sabbatical. Next you'll be taking my POS's off of me.... Oh wait.
What happened to all my drones? Did they just turn into firblogs that I can't use? They are not in the station with my carrier.
Edit. Found the drones as pre the original post. Begs the question. Given my carrier is in low sec where it is based out of why would you move all my drones to hi-sec. Now I need to make another hi - lo transition to get them back to where they are needed, geez.
Clearly, you ought to be penalized for taking a break from EVE. This isn't a game, it's a full time job. Didn't you get that memo? Anyone who isn't watching the forums for upcoming changes and playing on the test server is a pleb and deserves to take it up the tailpipe. ~~ CCP Nopoors
(Dramatization) |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
932
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Posted - 2016.05.02 23:57:31 -
[93] - Quote
Michael Bone wrote:MaverickScot wrote:What you can fly before, etc. While this is true why would I fly my Thanatos without weapons. I have to train to use my firblogs again and I have to pay for the privilege to do so. I'm assuming this is to force people back into sub caps as after the nerf to jump range then the added jump fatigue I might just sell the carrier.
Hate what has happened to carriers and I just returned to the game after an 18 month sabbatical. Next you'll be taking my POS's off of me.... Oh wait.
What happened to all my drones? Did they just turn into firblogs that I can't use? They are not in the station with my carrier.
Edit. Found the drones as pre the original post. Begs the question. Given my carrier is in low sec where it is based out of why would you move all my drones to hi-sec. Now I need to make another hi - lo transition to get them back to where they are needed, geez. Clearly, you ought to be penalized for taking a break from EVE. This isn't a game, it's a full time job. Didn't you get that memo? Anyone who isn't watching the forums for upcoming changes and playing on the test server is a pleb and deserves to take it up the tailpipe. ~~ CCP Nopoors (Dramatization) Funny that, it was after using carriers on the test server I decided to just sell all the ones I owned. So far it looks like I made the right decision.
Shame about all the wasted SP
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
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Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
1496
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Posted - 2016.05.03 15:23:04 -
[94] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote:Funny that, it was after using carriers on the test server I decided to just sell all the ones I owned. So far it looks like I made the right decision.
Shame about all the wasted SP
I hear Skill Extractors are a thing.
On-topic, it seems to me that the Fighters skill is now the capital equivalent of Drones. You want to use 5 drones you have to train Drones 5, right? So if you want to fly 5 squadrons of fighters, you train Fighters 5.
It isn't so much taking something away. But rather more like adding a new prerequisite.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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MaverickScot
Unidentified Flying Saucer
79
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Posted - 2016.05.04 13:45:18 -
[95] - Quote
Michael Bone wrote:MaverickScot wrote:What you can fly before, etc. While this is true why would I fly my Thanatos without weapons. I have to train to use my firblogs again and I have to pay for the privilege to do so. I'm assuming this is to force people back into sub caps as after the nerf to jump range then the added jump fatigue I might just sell the carrier.
Hate what has happened to carriers and I just returned to the game after an 18 month sabbatical. Next you'll be taking my POS's off of me.... Oh wait.
What happened to all my drones? Did they just turn into firblogs that I can't use? They are not in the station with my carrier.
Edit. Found the drones as pre the original post. Begs the question. Given my carrier is in low sec where it is based out of why would you move all my drones to hi-sec. Now I need to make another hi - lo transition to get them back to where they are needed, geez. Clearly, you ought to be penalized for taking a break from EVE. This isn't a game, it's a full time job. Didn't you get that memo? Anyone who isn't watching the forums for upcoming changes and playing on the test server is a pleb and deserves to take it up the tailpipe. ~~ CCP Nopoors (Dramatization)
An interesting dilemma indeed. Now if this is a full time job then it should be paying me for such things as housing, cars, food, etc. Can I be given the relevant forms to make these expense claims? ;-P |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2548
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Posted - 2016.05.15 06:05:33 -
[96] - Quote
Any word on when you are going to refund the Force Auxiliary skills?
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Ixazaluoh
SatchTek
2
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Posted - 2016.05.15 12:03:50 -
[97] - Quote
FT Diomedes wrote:Any word on when you are going to refund the Force Auxiliary skills? Yes, I too would like to know when the skill points and Isk will be returned. |
Gaius Clabbacus
Sister Beneficia's Home of Harmless Miners
8
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Posted - 2016.05.24 12:28:32 -
[98] - Quote
CCP Lebowski wrote:
Force Auxiliary Skills We were planning to refund all isk spent and sp trained in the now defunct Force Auxiliary skills along with this conversion. However we have encountered some complications that mean that we do not feel confident delivering this tomorrow. This will still happen in the coming weeks (Or at the latest by the next release). Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause!
Any timeline on refunding those FAX skillbooks (and SP)? |
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2016.05.31 14:30:06 -
[99] - Quote
Shadow fighter bombers were multiplied by 4 if you had any. My question is why the BPCs weren't changed to drop x4 as well since you'll now need 6x as many shadows as before. |
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