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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lorth on 16/02/2007 22:51:23
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Turin
Caldari RONA Deepspace Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Akane Miyamoto Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war
but... it was an exploit....
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Cosmic Flame
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Admentus Cor'vion
Originally by: Cosmic Flame You people are slow in understanding:
- A smartbomb was used. No guns, no passive targeter, A SMARTBOMB.
- They were both OUTSIDE THE POS SHIELDS.
- The Titan pilot had to have seen him approaching. He saw him, just ignored him. Just as he ignored the damage message he recieved before logging.
He had to have seen the aggression message. And from that point on he logged off at his own risk. People kill ships in this manner every day, including D2 pilots. You don't see people complaining about it. At least not when it serves them... but when it doesnt its all wrong. Go figure.
Actually Imode, some people turn those off in POS ops as they are stated to cause lag. Silly eh? One game mechanic to rule them all!
But that is not BoB's fault, that is his own fault for turning them off if that is the case. But alot of posters are hypocrits. They only see what they wanna see. They care nothing for the cold hard facts
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Falcon Tox
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Spinnukur First off, I have total respect for D2 coming out so fast and saying how it went down...Second, we all know BOB is a bunch of BOD cheats who are just trying to take the pressure off of CCP and themselves. Its kind of deja vuish to what happened to the ASCN Titan don't you think?
Thank you for the reminder that it has been a while since I last saw "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Turin
Originally by: Akane Miyamoto Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war
but... it was an exploit....
did you miss the screen shot? post # 52 I believe.
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Mimio
Caldari Free Space Pilots aka Banderlogs Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Tox
And node crashes aren't meant to stem the course of battle either, yet you guys used them just fine in JV. At least admit your hypocrisy. By this logic, LV should be reimbursed. Yet you guys would cry enormously should that happen.
Ha-ha, you hoped for node crash, because in direct encounter LV has no chance.
Node had been crashed as you hoped( and you, mean people, did help to crash node dropping all drones and fighters and bubbles you could), but, surprise-surprise, it doesn't save you. Of course, whole LV has another ace in the sleeve, "node crashed, we cannot defend". Say thanks to the gods, that node has been crashed many times, preventing jumpin whole fleet, otherwise JV in 5 days would change owner. ------------------------------------------------------- "RA is dead. It's official." (c) Lotka Volterra |
Muzzh
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Muzzh on 16/02/2007 22:53:51
Originally by: Dinamita Tona
Originally by: Stamm
Originally by: KIAEddZ Had the pilot just logged off when the smartbomb was fired, thus meaning the pilot had no idea he was aggroed?
That's the question Virtuozzo raised, and if that is the case then the GMs are going to have to defer to Devs and Helmar to make a decision here.
The best time to strike is when the titan has already logged off. When you see the red box in the corner, hit the smarty.
If that's the case then reimbursement is a possibility...
Take look at screenies some more and you might noticed that pilot was on with green box next to his name when smartie was fired dumbass
that has no meaning at all because its inaccurate (u can be shown online while u are already logged out since 2-3mins).
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Tox
lol you sir are the definition of hypocrisy. Bringing large fleets with the specific intent to create lag is a valid game technique but using the aggro timer is not?
No doubt you believe that nonsense, right up until it happens to you.
You, sir are a definition of misreading and wishful thinking. My point went way over your head. There is a reason I don't post here much...
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Turin
Originally by: Akane Miyamoto Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war
but... it was an exploit....
No it wasn't... god!
Smartbomb Outside shied...
It is a low tactic yes. But it is not a bug, it is just a poor game mechanic. So using it is not an explot. ------
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Areena Shay
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:59:00 -
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Actually the point was sound.
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sci0gon
Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
its amazing that people are still posting about passive targeters when this image clearly shows several things.
1) wotankn is still online 2) his outside of the bubble in the titan 3) it was a smartbomb used
also in respect to D2 im sorry for your loss
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Muzzh
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Posted - 2007.02.16 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Shakor
Originally by: Turin
Originally by: Akane Miyamoto Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war
but... it was an exploit....
No it wasn't... god!
Smartbomb Outside shied...
It is a low tactic yes. But it is not a bug, it is just a poor game mechanic. So using it is not an explot.
guy... using a so called "poor game mechanic" is what u would decribe as exploit.
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JP Southwell
Gallente Egg Enterprise
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:02:00 -
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Edited by: JP Southwell on 16/02/2007 22:59:28 Unlucky D2, Congrats Band Of Brothers. The rest of the bandwagon humpers, give it a rest, your eyes will start bleeding.
Now may I point out, providing it has not been done yet:
Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn
Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. .... This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. ....
Also, quoting Tyrrax for the link only:
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Hey idiots, pay attention
Post 52 in this thread clears everything up.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Ummm, where is the passive targeting module fitted on that ship? Just a curious observation and question really. Enough of the whining and dining. Play the game.
Kindest regards, JP
edit- My spelling is bad at times
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Muzzh
that has no meaning at all because its inaccurate (u can be shown online while u are already logged out since 2-3mins).
Post with you main, since you made a valid point but it might be removed.
But just for the record, the green icon can be off at times, though in most cases its highly accurate. Even so, had the pilot really been offline, and the green icon wrong, aggro wouldn't have occured as per the standered aggro mechanics. (you can't aggro an offline pilot)
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James Duar
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:02:00 -
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So, wow. This is probably a very new, creative wrinkle in game mechanics.
I'm hardly going to fault anyone for using it, but surely by now it should be clear to CCP that this is hardly how the envisaged Titans working.
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Commoner
Caldari Emergent Chaos The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:03:00 -
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Why does Friendly fire start the aggro timer? (I can see this being useful for NPC corps)
But in gangs and on alliance basis why would this even start the aggrotimer?...
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Perhaps it would clear things up if Wotankn were to pull out the log from pre-aggro, assuming he allows his logs to be saved?
That'd help this debate out. After all, a "micro smartbomb belonging to X" or a "150mm railgun II belonging to X" from the point where the aggro timer started should clear things up nicely.
Nevertheless, even if the smartbomb were used, it's still the same thing - covertly aggro a titan just before it logs off, then gank it while it's impossible for it to defend itself. Where's the challenge in that?
So you went form calling hax and sploits to now saying "theres no challenge in that"....
Would it kill you to admit BoB got a valid kill, and that there may not be all the much going on with the whole "BoD Witchhunt"? __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: ingriD A smartbomb dont DO DAMAGE in a forcefield and dont do flag timer.
exploit spotted.
Wrong. The pilot is clearly out side the force field, so your argument is mute.
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Muzzh
Originally by: Darius Shakor
Originally by: Turin
Originally by: Akane Miyamoto Props to D2 for admitting it wasn't an exploit. Damn dirty trick never the less.. But hey.. It's war
but... it was an exploit....
No it wasn't... god!
Smartbomb Outside shied...
It is a low tactic yes. But it is not a bug, it is just a poor game mechanic. So using it is not an explot.
guy... using a so called "poor game mechanic" is what u would decribe as exploit.
Poor as in poorly thought out. Not poor as in broken. Exploits are game mechanics or side effects of bugs that the developers never intended in the game. Currently the aggro system works the way the devs coded it and wanted it to work.
Events like this show how it is a short sighted feature in the game, but it is neither unintended to my knowledge or a bug or broken piece of code.
Not an exploit.
Low. And I am sure BoB members are going to be losing sleep that people think so. But not an explot. ------
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Empyre
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmic Flame You people are slow in understanding:
- A smartbomb was used. No guns, no passive targeter, A SMARTBOMB.
- They were both OUTSIDE THE POS SHIELDS.
- The Titan pilot had to have seen him approaching. He saw him, just ignored him. Just as he ignored the damage message he recieved before logging.
He had to have seen the aggression message. And from that point on he logged off at his own risk. People kill ships in this manner every day, including D2 pilots. You don't see people complaining about it. At least not when it serves them... but when it doesnt its all wrong. Go figure.
i really don't think most people even read all the posts before posting.. otherwise they'd realize what an arsehat they were. sadly, i think that some would still continue regardless. no shame i tell you, no shame..
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: ingriD A smartbomb dont DO DAMAGE in a forcefield and dont do flag timer.
exploit spotted.
If they don't do damge and don't flag the timer how is it an explot? -----
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Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Areena Shay Edited by: Areena Shay on 16/02/2007 22:56:14
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Originally by: Falcon Tox
lol you sir are the definition of hypocrisy. Bringing large fleets with the specific intent to create lag is a valid game technique but using the aggro timer is not?
No doubt you believe that nonsense, right up until it happens to you.
You, sir are a definition of misreading and wishful thinking. My point went way over your head. There is a reason I don't post here much...
Actually the point was sound. You just didn't understand it. That is probably why you don't post here much.
I never called brining fleets to cause lag a valid tactic for one. Secondly, my point was that while both, this situation, and fleet lagging are questionable tactics, you can not mix them together. It should be an absolutely different discussion.
But I can see where this is going. Off I go to run through the woods in my star trek uniform
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Helganstandt
Finis Lumen
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher Perhaps it would clear things up if Wotankn were to pull out the log from pre-aggro, assuming he allows his logs to be saved?
That'd help this debate out. After all, a "micro smartbomb belonging to X" or a "150mm railgun II belonging to X" from the point where the aggro timer started should clear things up nicely.
Nevertheless, even if the smartbomb were used, it's still the same thing - covertly aggro a titan just before it logs off, then gank it while it's impossible for it to defend itself. Where's the challenge in that?
I'm not disagreeing with there being no challenge. I think it was pretty lame actually.
But the kill was secured with legitimate in game tactics. I personally do not think the aggro timer was meant to be used in this fashion, but that's CCP's fault for not fixing it or thinking about it this way, not BOB's. BoB is just using it to their advantage. It's in that nice shady zone of where CCP can't do anything about it just yet, and BoB took full advantage.
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Atreus Minmatarius
Fatalix Inc. Schism.
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:05:00 -
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hopefully all that will only strenghten the ally resolve
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Commoner Why does Friendly fire start the aggro timer? (I can see this being useful for NPC corps)
But in gangs and on alliance basis why would this even start the aggrotimer?...
Remember back in the day, people used to invite to gang and pop you in empire because gangs were friendly fire? Im pretty sure it dates back to that, and to be honest thats how it should be, as long as the pilots are in different corps.
Same corp should be no aggro timer, imho, diff corps should be. Corps join alliances to stab them in the back, thats part of eve, and you cant just ctrl-q if you let your guard down, ya know? __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =- |
Spinnukur
Beyond-Redemption Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Tox
Originally by: Spinnukur First off, I have total respect for D2 coming out so fast and saying how it went down...Second, we all know BOB is a bunch of BOD cheats who are just trying to take the pressure off of CCP and themselves. Its kind of deja vuish to what happened to the ASCN Titan don't you think?
Thank you for the reminder that it has been a while since I last saw "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
Funny...and why exactly are you hiding behind you're alt, why don't you just come out and show you're true colors that you are either BOB, or one of their slaves. If you're going to talk do it honestly and don't hide because you're scared.
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari Warped Mining Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:05:00 -
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Amazing, simply amazing.
My respect for the whole EVE community just took a tumble.
Was bob¦s taking out the titan a smart, well planned yet low down plan? Certainly was. There¦s no Geneva convention here boys and girls. Suck it up.
POS¦s offlined by spies, corporate theft and all the other low down tactics used by alliances. I expect them. It¦s not nice but then hey, EVE isn¦t about being nice. Don¦t kid yourselves that it is. It¦s a cast iron ***** of a game where your best friend will stab you in the back for a quick profit.
All the whining , chest beating, hair ripping and pious "well we wouldn¦t do that" comments are frankly nauseating considering the history of many of the alliances making them.
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Tobruk
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:06:00 -
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Its Hard for me to believe that all the BOB pilots new this was the pan. A lot of my in game friends are in BOB and they are upstanding guys. I just can't believe they would do something this...
but i guess it just shows how much you think you know people and really how little you do. ----------------------------------------------
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Areena Shay
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund
Originally by: Areena Shay Edited by: Areena Shay on 16/02/2007 22:56:14
Originally by: Tecam Hund
Originally by: Falcon Tox
lol you sir are the definition of hypocrisy. Bringing large fleets with the specific intent to create lag is a valid game technique but using the aggro timer is not?
No doubt you believe that nonsense, right up until it happens to you.
You, sir are a definition of misreading and wishful thinking. My point went way over your head. There is a reason I don't post here much...
Actually the point was sound. You just didn't understand it. That is probably why you don't post here much.
I never called brining fleets to cause lag a valid tactic for one. Secondly, my point was that while both, this situation, and fleet lagging are questionable tactics, you can not mix them together. It should be an absolutely different discussion.
But I can see where this is going. Off I go to run through the woods in my star trek uniform
Thanks for the mental imagery. Now, I will go brush my blond bangs from my eyes and proceed to poke them out with the nearest sharp instrument!
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.02.16 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: JP Southwell Edited by: JP Southwell on 16/02/2007 22:59:28 Unlucky D2, Congrats Band Of Brothers. The rest of the bandwagon humpers, give it a rest, your eyes will start bleeding.
Now may I point out, providing it has not been done yet:
Originally by: Ovaron Statement Dusk and Dawn
Today D¦ lost an Erebus class Titan. .... This character was flying a cloaked Anathema Covert Ops frigate. Shortly before the Pilot was going to log off, he uncloaked and used a Passive Targeter to lock the Erebus and fired a single shot on him. ....
Also, quoting Tyrrax for the link only:
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Hey idiots, pay attention
Post 52 in this thread clears everything up.
http://shadowforce.wiredhub.net/bob/2007.02.16.17.58.48.jpg
Ummm, where is the passive targeting module fitted on that ship? Just a curious observation and question really. Enough of the whining and dining. Play the game.
Kindest regards, JP
edit- My spelling is bad at times
Read the thread and then post, its come clear now, that it was a smartie. some ppl have to go to bed sometimes and things like a titan loss may heaten up some ppl, which is understandable i think. --------------------------------
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