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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
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Posted - 2016.04.15 15:54:27 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:No, I'm saying that there's a difference between an advantage and and unfair advantage, CCP have stated this themselves when talking about the exact same applications you are talking about. You're the one pretending I'm saying that they offer no benefit, because you're trying to suggest that if I don't want TS3 removed then I'm a hypocrite for wanting anything removed, even though there's a clear difference between the players able to take advantage of the different applications and clear difference in the level of benefit provided by them. That's the equivalent of saying that if I support the death penalty for mass murderers but don't for people who swear in public then I'm a hypocrite because I have sworn in public before.
Out of curiosity, when CCP were making this exact same distinction between ISBoxer and TS3, why were you not in there calling CCP hypocrites?
Do you even listen to yourself? Something passing keystrokes to a client allowing multiple clients to be controlled simultaneously is now the same thing as someone coming up with a creative marketing idea (ie, gambling)?
Zero isk has been made out of game, zero percent of IWI's service has had isk trade hands through botting/non-direct player to player action. Stop complaining mate. reductio ad absurdum doesn't suit you well either bud.
Quote:Sure you can if you want to sit ingame sing your mad socialising skills to gather trillions in donations, go nuts, that is in-game behaviour. If however you need to build a 3rd party application which then gives you a massively accelerated rate of income, you should expect to be stopped because it's pulls the game out of balance.
Did you even read what I wrote? Storytelling/rhetoric is an out of game, real life skill that many people simply don't have. We need to shut down anyone who creates a dynamic character and earns isk from it because they are utilizing an out of game skill that not everyone has! how unfair!
Let's please shut down all of the imperiums's out of game management tools, since those are giving them an unfair accelerated rate of income, yeah?
"pulls the game out of balance" You're as bad as the anti-bumping crowd complaing about the part of the game they don't like being 'game breaking'
Quote:That's rather amusing considering you've spent most of your time not actually responding to my points but responding instead to points you have made up and pretended I've said.
Mario, I won't respond to attacks. Try keeping the discussion civil if you actually want me to read your posts.
So that's a no then. Gotcha. Every point you don't have an answer to you dodge and hide behind claiming it was an attack.
When you want to talk seriously and actually respond to the points I made, instead of parroting the same thing over and over, shoot me a message. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7482
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Posted - 2016.04.15 16:10:39 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:Do you even listen to yourself? Something passing keystrokes to a client allowing multiple clients to be controlled simultaneously is now the same thing as someone coming up with a creative marketing idea (ie, gambling)? I didn;t say they are the same thing, I said they both convey an unfair advantage using a third party tool. HEre, a really simple question. If IWI were not allowed their website, would they be able to make as much ISK as they do from donations without it?
Isaac Armer wrote:Did you even read what I wrote? Storytelling/rhetoric is an out of game, real life skill that many people simply don't have. We need to shut down anyone who creates a dynamic character and earns isk from it because they are utilizing an out of game skill that not everyone has! how unfair! What was that you were just saying about reductio ad absurdum? You're now suggesting that because players can tell stories in game and make ISK that it's the equivalent of someone making a third party tool to make ISK.
Isaac Armer wrote:Let's please shut down all of the imperiums's out of game management tools, since those are giving them an unfair accelerated rate of income, yeah? According to CCP when this exact same question was posed to them, no, because everyone has the same tools and the advantages are minimal. That's different from a single dude making trillions of ISK from a third party application.
Isaac Armer wrote:When you want to talk seriously and actually respond to the points I made, instead of parroting the same thing over and over, shoot me a message. When you actually make a point that isn't a response to something I've not said or want to stop with comparisons you know are ridiculous, like comparing a website that acquires trillions of isk with third party voice comms freely available to all, let me know.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7472
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Posted - 2016.04.15 17:07:59 -
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Lucas.
This is like watching a friend get a head injury. Just drop it.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
722
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Posted - 2016.04.15 18:41:53 -
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Lucas, we're all terrible people and are guilty of everything they accuse us of.
There's no real need to defend or justify anything.
For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/
Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
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Ka Plaa
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
54
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Posted - 2016.04.15 19:13:41 -
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Between reading TMC and skimming reddit, this war is taking up a lot of my eve-related reading time. :) |
sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
153
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Posted - 2016.04.15 20:55:06 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The poster you are reffering to once told me that he only posts here when he's bored at work. I found the cure for that. All I can see from the poster you mention (unless someone if fool enough to QUOTE him, please stop doing that btw) is this: Quote: Lucas Kell View post Show posts
I'm telling you, using the ignore feature made coming to this forum a million times less irritating...exept when some not-smart person quotes that poster.
Also using that feature. Unfortunately like you say the poster in question is quoted quite often, as his special style of ignoring what you write and then tell you what "you really mean" rightfully agitates quite a lot of people. There is nothing like that you suddenly have to defend opinions you never had to begin with. it is almost an art... almost
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3491
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Posted - 2016.04.15 21:27:02 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:sero Hita wrote:That is his thing. He even got the "decline turning into RAPID" locked twice by derailing, leading to other people flaming him. many pages were purged from that threat. You have to acknowledge, that he is good at what he does. Other people being incapable of having a simple discussion without attacking other posters or losing their temper has nowt to do with me.
On the last 3 pages, I count ~20 personal insults handed out by you, whilst whining about people insulting you. On the last 3 pages, I count multiple tools able to give an ingame advantage that you use cited as 'OK', whilst whining about one you don't have.
So hey I guess at least you're consistently hypocritical.
By the way, since you're misusing the term constantly, this is what a strawman argument looks like:
Lucas Kell wrote:You're the one pretending I'm saying that they offer no benefit, because you're trying to suggest that if I don't want TS3 removed then I'm a hypocrite for wanting anything removed, even though there's a clear difference between the players able to take advantage of the different applications and clear difference in the level of benefit provided by them. That's the equivalent of saying that if I support the death penalty for mass murderers but don't for people who swear in public then I'm a hypocrite because I have sworn in public before
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
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Starrakatt
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID
447
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Posted - 2016.04.15 21:30:05 -
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sero Hita wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:The poster you are reffering to once told me that he only posts here when he's bored at work. I found the cure for that. All I can see from the poster you mention (unless someone if fool enough to QUOTE him, please stop doing that btw) is this: Quote: Lucas Kell View post Show posts
I'm telling you, using the ignore feature made coming to this forum a million times less irritating...exept when some not-smart person quotes that poster. Also using that feature. Unfortunately like you say the poster in question is quoted quite often, as his special style of ignoring what you write and then tell you what "you really mean" rightfully agitates quite a lot of people. There is nothing like that you suddenly have to defend opinions you never had to begin with. it is almost an art... almost This formidable, I didn't know you could do that.
Excellent.
Was scrolling down most of what he was writing anyway.
Sneaky bastard.
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3491
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Posted - 2016.04.15 21:31:08 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:like comparing a website that acquires trillions of isk with third party voice comms freely available to all, let me know. All the website does is point the results of a game of chance to a particular character.
For comparisons sake, something like jabber is functionally essential for a coalition to exist in the game in a meaningful way at all. So yes it is a silly comparison, one you are only wildly angry about because you're on the wrong end of it.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7482
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Posted - 2016.04.15 23:20:07 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:All the website does is point the results of a game of chance to a particular character. All it does is allow acquisition of isk at a faster rate than normal gameplay without that application. If the site were no longer allowed, they would not be able to achieve that same level of income, proving that it breaches that part of the EULA.
Khanh'rhh wrote:For comparisons sake, something like jabber is functionally essential for a coalition to exist in the game in a meaningful way at all. So yes it is a silly comparison, one you are only wildly angry about because you're on the wrong end of it. Then feel free to push for jabber to be banned if you really think it gives as unfair an advantage.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
238
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Posted - 2016.04.15 23:34:34 -
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I think CCP welcomes emergent gameplay. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3495
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Posted - 2016.04.15 23:58:50 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Khanh'rhh wrote:For comparisons sake, something like jabber is functionally essential for a coalition to exist in the game in a meaningful way at all. So yes it is a silly comparison, one you are only wildly angry about because you're on the wrong end of it. Then feel free to push for jabber to be banned if you really think it gives as unfair an advantage.
I think jabber is fine because anyone can use it if they think it is something that helps them, or make their own similar tool. I think IWI is fine because anyone can use it if they think it is something that helps them, or make their own similar tool.
This is what a post without hypocrisy looks like.
Do you want to try to make one?
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3495
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Posted - 2016.04.15 23:59:41 -
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Also your post was another strawman
:colbert:
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
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Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3495
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Posted - 2016.04.16 00:03:46 -
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To be honest Lukas I'm giving you **** because your posting reminds me of some embarrassing posts I made when I was about 12 and used to have no idea when I had lost an argument. Like remember when you see pictures you took in 1998 and think "arggghhh **** cringe"? Yeah that's these posts. I would just stick with it in the hopes people would give up and I could somehow not have lost the argument if I could find some semantic hook to lean on. I got better~~
Problem here, is you're too willing to make conflicting statements in the same literal post so it's a genuine mystery to me whether you don't literally see your own hypocrisy or you think your posting is good enough to hide it (it isn't).
I'll think about it later and let you know what I think would be the better outcome.
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7482
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Posted - 2016.04.16 00:20:54 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:I think jabber is fine because anyone can use it if they think it is something that helps them, or make their own similar tool. I think IWI is fine because anyone can use it if they think it is something that helps them, or make their own similar tool.
This is what a post without hypocrisy looks like.
Do you want to try to make one? Already have bro. I think the advantages gained by IWI are significantly larger than the advantages given by jabber and are availabe to a much more limited group, both of which makes it an unfair advantage. It's only hypocrisy if I don't see a difference between the two yet still want one banned. The funny thing is there's nothing you can say that changes the simple fact that if IWI had the third party application disallowed they would not be able to make the ludicrous amounts of isk they do, proving my point. You're the one then throwing jabber in the mix and claiming that if I don't share your opinion that jabber is just as bad and don't also push for the removal of jabber, that I'm a hypocrite. There is no way of explaining it more clearly than that, yet undoubtedly you'll be back swinging and missing next time.
Khanh'rhh wrote:To be honest Lukas I'm giving you **** because... You're giving me **** because you're a troll, plain and simple. I've seen it in your past posts and I see it here. If that's how you want to roll though, go ahead. vOv
While we're being so honest, if these are your attempts at adult posts... Never not triple post when rageposting though.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4456
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Posted - 2016.04.16 00:29:32 -
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A couple of years ago, when CFC was in its prime and had pretty much "won" EVE, there was a thread right here about something like "Is there any way to defeat Goons?' Some insightful Goon member said, "Well, there's some risk that boredom might kill us." I can understand that. Dogs need exercise, sitting around in a para-blue donut world is not good for keeping muscle and mind tone primed up, for anybody.
The Imperium thing looked so incredibly hokey to me from the beginning that was almost disbelievable. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it. It was like going culturally and IQ-ly backwards, into WOW world. Just saying, an outsider.
I have empathy, but not sympathy, for goonlords with their ceilings falling in around their ears. A newbro who lost his first mining ship to gankers feels about the same. Still don't understand why an organization as big as CFC would bother to encourage and fund that high sec small ISK and many, many micro-dramas stuff. Maybe to keep your rank and file busy and give them an outlet for... stuff. Hard to watch the emotion-spilling, and not think about (shite, I'm going to say it), enjoyable repeated persecution of a depressed and vulnerable player. And making a Power Point about it. Add to that some 10s of thousands of n00b Retrievers. ___________, please! HTFU. That's your spiel from way back, here you go.
(That said, I say salute to the Goons rank and file I've met doing their thing in their quiet home basement. Pretty laid back guys, and some pretty sly ironical funny).
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Violence of Action.
1117
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Posted - 2016.04.16 04:26:45 -
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Chribba abuses veldsparr to make more isk than any other player could hope to. NERF CHRIBBA.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11568
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Posted - 2016.04.16 08:30:20 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:All it does is allow acquisition of isk at a faster rate than normal gameplay without that application. If the site were no longer allowed, they would not be able to achieve that same level of income, proving that it breaches that part of the EULA.
the eula clause you cite discusses acquiring in-game assets through gameplay
convincing a bunch of players to click "give money" isn't gameplay
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7482
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Posted - 2016.04.16 08:46:30 -
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Andski wrote:the eula clause you cite discusses acquiring in-game assets through gameplay
convincing a bunch of players to click "give money" isn't gameplay No it doesn't it talks about using a third party application to facilitate accelerated acquisition. Since without that application IWI would not be able to acquire isk that fast, then the application is what facilitates that.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
192
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Posted - 2016.04.16 08:50:22 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Andski wrote:the eula clause you cite discusses acquiring in-game assets through gameplay
convincing a bunch of players to click "give money" isn't gameplay No it doesn't it talks about using a third party application to facilitate accelerated acquisition. Since without that application IWI would not be able to acquire isk that fast, then the application is what facilitates that. For all this hurf blurf in the forum, you could have actually spent the time undocked fighting.
No need to QQ all over the place because IWI paid lowsec scrubs to kick you out of your home.
Can't beat em? Whinge about em instead. How the mighty (or maybe never were) have dipped to some very low points. |
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7482
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Posted - 2016.04.16 08:58:43 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:For all this hurf blurf in the forum, you could have actually spent the time undocked fighting. I can actually multitask, I've been undocked.
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Can't beat em? Whinge about em instead. How the mighty (or maybe never were) have dipped to some very low points. Nobody can beat them, that's what happens when someone is basically allowed to cheat, they win the game and noone can do a thing to stop them. You're happy now because their target is goons and you've got some stick up your ass about goons, but IWI could literally pick any group and there not a damn thing anyone could do to stop them.
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Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
121
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Posted - 2016.04.16 12:49:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Nobody can beat them, that's what happens when someone is basically allowed to cheat, they win the game and noone can do a thing to stop them. You're happy now because their target is goons and you've got some stick up your ass about goons, but IWI could literally pick any group and there not a damn thing anyone could do to stop them.
You are the EVE forum equivalent of the guy on counterstrike who sees someone playing much, much better than anyone else so they cry that the dude HAS to be cheating/hacking. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7483
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Posted - 2016.04.16 12:59:48 -
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Isaac Armer wrote:You are the EVE forum equivalent of the guy on counterstrike who sees someone playing much, much better than anyone else so they cry that the dude HAS to be cheating/hacking. Lol, except of course that we know he is in fact cheating. It's not a theory that he makes more isk than everyone else because of his third party application, it's an indisputable fact. Without that application he would not be earning more than thousands of players combined and he'd have to play in ways that have in-game counters. If it was simply that he was playing better or doing things better and just through in-game mechanics, I'd have no problem, but since it's not and it's down to him running an application, that's an issue.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
202
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Posted - 2016.04.16 13:37:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Isaac Armer wrote:You are the EVE forum equivalent of the guy on counterstrike who sees someone playing much, much better than anyone else so they cry that the dude HAS to be cheating/hacking. Lol, except of course that we know he is in fact cheating. It's not a theory that he makes more isk than everyone else because of his third party application, it's an indisputable fact. Without that application he would not be earning more than thousands of players combined and he'd have to play in ways that have in-game counters. If it was simply that he was playing better or doing things better and just through in-game mechanics, I'd have no problem, but since it's not and it's down to him running an application, that's an issue.
Tl;dr: Mimimimimimimimimimi waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah mimimimimimimimimimi
How's the evac going?
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Cien Banchiere
Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution
51
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Posted - 2016.04.16 13:38:57 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Isaac Armer wrote:You are the EVE forum equivalent of the guy on counterstrike who sees someone playing much, much better than anyone else so they cry that the dude HAS to be cheating/hacking. Lol, except of course that we know he is in fact cheating. It's not a theory that he makes more isk than everyone else because of his third party application, it's an indisputable fact. Without that application he would not be earning more than thousands of players combined and he'd have to play in ways that have in-game counters. If it was simply that he was playing better or doing things better and just through in-game mechanics, I'd have no problem, but since it's not and it's down to him running an application, that's an issue.
Do you ever quit? Or do you do into as many threads as possible and grasp for as many straws as your grubby little hands can get? There is legit nothing wrong with how IWI handled this and how the war got its start. In fact, it seems pretty condoned by everyone. Every. One. So, suck it up buttercup. If IWI didn't do it, someone else would have done it at one point. It's just a difference of method. If you have this much of an issue with how EVE works in and out of game, then go elsewhere. Please. |
Isaac Armer
The Soup Kitchen
121
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Posted - 2016.04.16 13:43:46 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Lol, except of course that we know he is in fact cheating. It's not a theory that he makes more isk than everyone else because of his third party application, it's an indisputable fact. Without that application he would not be earning more than thousands of players combined and he'd have to play in ways that have in-game counters. If it was simply that he was playing better or doing things better and just through in-game mechanics, I'd have no problem, but since it's not and it's down to him running an application, that's an issue.
*you think he's cheating and literally everyone else disagrees with you.
Without third party applications EVE would stop functioning as a game. How is your own gambling service going to counter IWI? I assume you're working on one, since you don't like IWI. Either put your money where your mouth is and work on countering IWI, or stop talking. k buddy? |
Starrakatt
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps FETID
449
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Posted - 2016.04.16 14:13:22 -
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Cien Banchiere wrote:Do you ever quit? Some persons are (dare I say pathologically) incapable not to try have the last word.
Sneaky bastard.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
7483
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Posted - 2016.04.16 14:13:56 -
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Cien Banchiere wrote:Do you ever quit? Or do you do into as many threads as possible and grasp for as many straws as your grubby little hands can get? There is legit nothing wrong with how IWI handled this and how the war got its start. In fact, it seems pretty condoned by everyone. Every. One. So, suck it up buttercup. If IWI didn't do it, someone else would have done it at one point. It's just a difference of method. If you have this much of an issue with how EVE works in and out of game, then go elsewhere. Please. I't not condoned by everyone, it's condoned by *gasp* people benefiting from it. There are even people who up until this war have been anit-IWI that are suddenly fine with it. Undoubtedly when goons are gone and IWI targets a group they are friendly with it's suddenly be bad again. And yes, you are right, if IWI didn't start this war, someone else who isn't using a third party application to gain a massive advantage would have done, and that's fine. I have no problem with this war existing or with it being funded by a multi-trillionaire, but that funding should come from fair gameplay, not from using third party applications.
Isaac Armer wrote:*you think he's cheating and literally everyone else disagrees with you. If by "literally everyone else" you mean "a small group of vocal posters, most of who are goon biased" then sure.
Isaac Armer wrote:Without third party applications EVE would stop functioning as a game. Sure, but if everyone were allowed to use game breaking applications, it wouldn't work out well. This is why CCP allow some applications and features (like voice comms, messaging apps, etc) but disallow others (bots, broadcasting, etc).
Isaac Armer wrote:How is your own gambling service going to counter IWI? I assume you're working on one, since you don't like IWI. Either put your money where your mouth is and work on countering IWI, or stop talking. k buddy? How does it help the situation to build more applications that give a massive advantage to isk acquisition? All that does is break the game even more for normal players. I used to play a game called Diaspora, and they didn't do anything about botters. So more people botted to counteract the bots. The next thing you know it's rare to encounter a player and the game is pretty much over and they shut it all down.
And mate, I'll talk as much as I want to. You getting all moody and telling me to be quiet because you can't think of a decent counterpoint isn't going to make me stop.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
13910
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Posted - 2016.04.16 14:58:35 -
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It seems that some people can't understand....the same thing It actually took me 5 years to learn (lol). The more you respond, the more you argue, the more you fuel certain people, and the deeper they dig in. Because he enjoys this. You are making him happy.
Better to take a page from Mittani and deny those types forum content... |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
202
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Posted - 2016.04.16 15:11:10 -
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Starrakatt wrote:Cien Banchiere wrote:Do you ever quit? Some persons are (dare I say pathologically) incapable not to try have the last word. Edit: Why isn't this thread not locked already? It has devolved into another Lucas Kell rant anyway, practically a copy-paste of the What we grrrrgoons going to do? thread. He'd just continue whining and ranting in another thread.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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