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Chewytowel Haklar
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Posted - 2016.04.13 19:16:08 -
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This is the end, I have foreseen it in a vision. |
Chewytowel Haklar
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Posted - 2016.04.14 07:38:02 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Aiwha wrote:I guess that makes using TS3 to do, well, ANYTHING in game rule breaking. Wow, people still try to use reductio ad absurdum in arguments? I tell you what, let's go for it. Sure, let's say that TS3 does convey an in-game advantage (even though clearly it doesn't in anywhere close to the same way). First of there in-game tools to do the exact same thing. Secondly the software to do the exact same thing out of game is freely available so any player is able to leverage the exact same benefit. thirdly, the benefits given by TS3 aren't in-game benefits, they simply allow players to communicate. If logging on to TS3 made my ships tougher or stuck isk in my wallet then I'd fully expect it to be banned. The thing is I think if you took a step back away from your bias, as what IWI is doing is benefiting you thus allowing you to overlook the reality of it, you'd be able to see how a player being able to use uncounterable out of game tools to collect trillions of isk is game-breakingly bad. Maybe what we're seeing is just the power a bank style group can have in a game like EvE, money is power after all. IWI was able to generate isk from players from all walks of life, it has skimmed profit from a large market and now has the ability to use that money to pay for war on a massive scale. This ability is too much for an out-of-game entity with no route to attack them so I have to agree with Lucas on this. Though I'd be very interested to see just how much isk IWI have in fact paid out to mercs, I'd wager that they got a big discount for how disliked mittani and goons have become.
If you can't beat them, join them? Make a Goonambling site. |
Chewytowel Haklar
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Posted - 2016.04.14 23:54:11 -
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The problem here is that IWI has no loyalty. They can fund any war they want, switch sides at any time, and pretty much just act in their own interests. The counter to them in part is educating the players of this, and hoping to get the message across to CCP somehow (CSM?) that this is very hard to counter for anyone.
I mean at the moment everyone is so happy that the Goons are getting their butts kicked, but when IWI is done with them who do you think will be next? Will IWI just say "oh well that was fun, I think I'll just stop now," no one is safe. They have no allegiances correct? So in light of that IWI is extremely dangerous and untrustworthy. Why can't anyone else see this??? |
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Posted - 2016.04.18 03:15:27 -
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I think that the one thing this recent war shows is that holding SOV is much more difficult now. The old ways don't work and defending apparently is a pain in the butt. The future of Sov will probably involve systems trading hands far more often now, no mega alliance would be safe if the attacking group has enough firepower to tear down its space. The old days and old ways are gone, and Null will never again be quite the same. Oh and renting out nullsec space will become nothing more than a memory.
War is coming to nullsec. There will be no more Grrrr mega alliance anymore, new strategies will have to be adopted. This World War Bee has started something, and this is only the beginning I think. |
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Posted - 2016.04.19 07:16:56 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Loyalty makes people do such strange things doesn't it? Quite a few imperium members seem to be incapable of thinking that goons may be at an end, meanwhile the rest of eve is ripping their sov from them.
If I were goons and wanted to win, I'd use my spy network to smash a few enemies and show not to mess with goons. Find out about super movements or whatever and hit back, not all of your opponents are non-sov holders. Your whole mantra has been "blueball or decimate, aim to win" but it seems you have lost that will, sitting in saranen isn't going to win you anything.
Not sure if any of you know this, but they aren't still sitting in Saranen, those are mostly just alts and what not messing around.
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Chewytowel Haklar
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Posted - 2016.04.20 20:49:38 -
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"I would love to see the old Goonswarm come back," Joe says. "The 2007, 2008 version of them. Back then, they were obnoxious and uncouth, but they werenGÇÖt malicious. They were funny. They were goofy. But they were also kind of scary, because they had astronomical amounts of people. ... I want them to go back to their roots, go back to where they were."
Interesting....hmmm
Oh and 4 trillion cash, 8-9 trillion in assets and spending about a trillion a week... quick easy math suggests a few more months of this but I doubt he'd blow it all right? |
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Posted - 2016.04.21 16:31:58 -
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Well IWI definitely has enough isk to keep this going until all Goon Sov is lost. It seems with about 10 or so systems changing hands daily and 60ish systems left Goons will have no Sov in less than a week or two at that rate. Then the question is this: After the largest and most powerful mega alliance is wiped off the face of nullsec, what happens next?
Will IWI just go back to playing games and having a good time, or will they try something else? I guess we will all know the outcome, but with so much power IWI seems capable of doing almost anything. Here's the rub, Joe has power and can influence others. He may chose to use that power and influence in many different ways, and if he does how exactly are other people going to combat that?
The other side to this, which has nothing to do with IWI, is that now after seeing how to destroy a mega alliance and take over their space pretty quick, what's to stop others from doing so elsewhere? Systems can now change hands relatively quick now. Which is why I wonder if the days of Grrrr mega-alliance are coming to an end. |
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Posted - 2016.04.22 01:37:34 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Whatever way you swing it they are all third party applications designed to facilitate increased income. Stop being such a hypocrite.
Perhaps you should stop being one as well? Your alliance was the one that started this major war, attracted these bankers attention after your own members pre-emptively hacked their IWI server. You are the reason Goons campaign into LoSec was lost, and why a now massive army is sitting in Goon space roflstomping it. If anything you look like a huge sore loser. Maybe you should admit that you guys screwed up majorly and cost your own alliance and the Goons everything they had going for them?
But nah, let's just pretend IWI are the big evil bad guys. I mean sure they can chose to fund whatever war they want, but if they do I suppose everyone can thank you for it.
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/04/21/eve-online-world-war-bee-mittani/3/
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