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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.02.10 06:54:00 -
[1111]
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
But AMMO FFS.. how the hell does that cause an alliance imbalance other than they save a few iskies in the deal?
People are not upset about the BPOs, but the fact that they were provided, that cheating has occured and there are a lot of other accusations of other misconduct, uneven application of the EULA, abuse of privilages, etc.
Ammo BPOs, titan, 1 isk - who cares what, it is the why, the who and the how that has people honked off. Attempts to beguile people away from their morals with FUD does you no service.
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Caliwyrm O'Libr
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Posted - 2007.02.10 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/02/2007 06:39:29 Caliwyrm O'Libr, the buying frenzy was after they'd been seen to change on Sisi. Really, stop tinfoiling. And I never said it was nothing.
The average player does not even know this happened, and if they did they'll see two big bullies fighting. You're projecting your own feelings. The forces arrayed against them are hardly "overwhelming". Your lack of understanding about alliance warfare...is, I'm afraid, something I cannot easily rectify.
And yes, tinfoil more..but if you're going to be unhappy, there are plenty of other MMO's out there run by other companies. Thanks.
And a few months ago it was a running joke for BoB players to have cute sigs with things like "Log in as Dev? Y/N" in their sigs. Doesn't seem to be anyone laughing now.
For the record, the buying frenzy for the GENERAL POPULACE was after it went live on Sisi. I only used the stupid Cargo Expander BPO as a mere example of how a dev sharing upcoming (and not publically konwn) knowlege of upcoming changes could DIRECTLY impact the game beyond just spawning items for themselves.
As for the 'average' EVE player.. Word travels FAST. Only 2 people out of the 12 that followed me to Eve from DAoC visit Eve-O. Yet they all found out about this tonight on Vent. A dozen or so gaming and news sites have this story already (Slashdot alone has had 3 stories in 3 days about it).
BTW, what do you think all this unanswered bashing is doing to the morale of BoB? Not even the mightiest of the BoB Forum Warrior squad is posting with their mains. From a simple psychological point of view the anti-BoB coalition has the upper hand. They now have 'righteousness' on their side while even the newest (and truly innocent) BoB grunt is marked as a 'cheater' by the general population. I still stand by my prediction: BoB is going to lose this war. For the game community to heal they must. =======
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.10 06:57:00 -
[1113]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
But AMMO FFS.. how the hell does that cause an alliance imbalance other than they save a few iskies in the deal?
People are not upset about the BPOs, but the fact that they were provided, that cheating has occured and there are a lot of other accusations of other misconduct, uneven application of the EULA, abuse of privilages, etc.
Ammo BPOs, titan, 1 isk - who cares what, it is the why, the who and the how that has people honked off. Attempts to beguile people away from their morals with FUD does you no service.
Absolutely.. But on another note how many BoB haters are in this thread right now just slavering at the chops to get any dig they can in? Psychological Warfare FTW..
Revelations.. The ****znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p ) |
Zothike
RABBLE-RABBLE
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Posted - 2007.02.10 06:57:00 -
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One of the main problem with this problem is that BoB is not a little nor a medium alliance that own one or too region since a long period and only Defend the owned region against attacker and try to maintain and make theyre region to prosper and build a little empire, if it was the case the damage would be by VERY far less important
But BoB is a Griefing alliance , that only purpose is to destroy alliances to show that they are 'the best' they are ruining and had ruined Thousands of players fun and putted Thousands of others in disgrace making them BoB slave/pets making them crawling to have access to 0.0
CCP want to make ppl come to 0.0 ? great! 'Come to 0.0 to be grieffed and/or exploited by the company that make you paying for the game'
ASCN wanted to build and empire and was on good way to it, Feythabolis was crowded with ppl 30-60 ppl all the time in AZN and ascenia had the best Market ingame , almost everything and with prices often lower than in empire, now AZN have between 0-5 peeps and market is completly dead , congratulation BoB and congratulation for CCP for helping the game going as they wish to go
Stay in Empire guys to avoid (at some level) to be griefed with CCP blessing or leave the game to be 100% to not wasting your time and money
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JohnStar
Caldari Grail Seekers NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:01:00 -
[1115]
signed. The Greatest and Most Handsome Male in the EVE Universe |
The Libertine
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Absolutely.. But on another note how many BoB haters are in this thread right now just slavering at the chops to get any dig they can in?
Logical Fallacy: Circumstantial Ad Hominem
A Circumstantial ad Hominem is a fallacy in which one attempts to attack a claim by asserting that the person making the claim is making it simply out of self interest. In some cases, this fallacy involves substituting an attack on a person's circumstances (such as the person's religion, political affiliation, ethnic background, etc.). The fallacy has the following forms:
1. Person A makes claim X. 2. Person B asserts that A makes claim X because it is in A's interest to claim X. 3. Therefore claim X is false.
1. Person A makes claim X. 2. Person B makes an attack on A's circumstances. 3. Therefore X is false.
A Circumstantial ad Hominem is a fallacy because a person's interests and circumstances have no bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made. While a person's interests will provide them with motives to support certain claims, the claims stand or fall on their own. It is also the case that a person's circumstances (religion, political affiliation, etc.) do not affect the truth or falsity of the claim. This is made quite clear by the following example: "Bill claims that 1+1=2. But he is a Republican, so his claim is false."
There are times when it is prudent to suspicious of a person's claims, such as when it is evident that the claims are being biased by the person's interests. For example, if a tobacco company representative claims that tobacco does not cause cancer, it would be prudent to not simply accept the claim. This is because the person has a motivation to make the claim, whether it is true or not. However, the mere fact that the person has a motivation to make the claim does not make it false. For example, suppose a parent tells her son that sticking a fork in a light socket would be dangerous. Simply because she has a motivation to say this obviously does not make her claim false.
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:04:00 -
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Your point?
Revelations.. The ****znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p ) |
JohnStar
Caldari Grail Seekers NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:04:00 -
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devs have sisi let them cheat there.atm its the only thing they are good at. The Greatest and Most Handsome Male in the EVE Universe |
Rigoletto
Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Noreen
Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 10/02/2007 06:45:36
Noreen, I'm sorry you hate Eve so much. Devs not being in touch with their game leads to disasters like the SWF NGE, and in a PvP game things will go wrong MUCH quicker. If you have a magic soloution to the issues - and frankly no alternative for proper gameplay has been found - please present the full soloution. Handwaving "it will be okay" is NOT supported by the evidence, I'm afraid.
Your personal attacks on me are distasteful, please do not be arrogant enough to establish what someone does or does not hate, My letter as a customer is to CCP, not to a fellow customer but I will take the time to reply to your concerns as well.
FULL SOLUTION: Devs need to play on Test Server, form alliances, test gameplay and ask for volunteers. Their method of doing it as they do currently has lead to a 41 page thread of discontent among customers within 7 hours. If they do not take action now, you will find yourself lonely at the next EvE festival.
+1 Rigoletto/Chorea.
Life is like a chocolate box, you never know what you gonna pick up. |
Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Noreen Their method of doing it as they do currently has lead to a 41 page thread of discontent among customers within 7 hours. If they do not take action now, you will find yourself lonely at the next EvE festival.
And in less than a week or two noone will even care about this event as no territory or any substancial alliance gain or loss came from it.. Its just the 'common people' haveing a good time lording over ONE of the 'royaltys' trangressions.. Meh..
Revelations.. The ****znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p ) |
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JohnStar
Caldari Grail Seekers NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:12:00 -
[1121]
hmm it could be the first.any lawyer in here?
The Greatest and Most Handsome Male in The EVE Universe..........also GOD'S gift to Woman.
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Rodney Caston
Messerschmitt Shipyards Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:13:00 -
[1122]
Edited by: Rodney Caston on 10/02/2007 07:12:00
Originally by: ChemicalQueen Has there ever been a class action lawsuit against a MMORPG company concerning a game matter from it's player before?
boom.
Queue Jack Thompson in 5... 4... 3...
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Hennry Fromer
Gallente TRSG Research
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:13:00 -
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Had the information not been leaked to 3rd party sites would you have done anything?
Really then what took you so long?
Why would you not remove the BPO's in question when you had an admission they were gained in violation of the EULA? The EULA violation rated a ban, Is the EULA being applied evenly?
I guess the thing that is glaringly clear is there are some severe ethical challenges to overcome, Oddly some of these issues are common in growth spurts for businesses and are usually over-reacted to internally.
There have been a lot of posts painting everyone with the same brush, we will never know who knew what when and only those involved know all the facts and timings. To those painted unfairly there is no way to apologizes to those that were missed there is just you who know what you did and why.
As players this is entertainment not real life, as CCP this is business and clearly you have issue to contend with.
IAD needs to make a statement and soon, clear- consice û public.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Deepspace Wanderer you know, for a "non-event", this is all over the internet.
just google "eve online dev misconduct"
something will have to be done, or this games reputation will go completely down the crapper.
Which is too bad, because, even in spite of this scandal, this is the best MMO out there right now.
QFT my god... I had no idea but if you do indeed google this issue, like the poster said it is all over the place.... practically every major mmorg website has a story running on this issue.
The damage being done to CCP's future revenue must be incalculable.
CCP must take a much more hardline stance so that this does not ruin the game long term....
another 10 years of EVE .. if BoB remain at the top of the food chain in their current state with all these allegations hanging over their heads?... you must be joking.
BoB as an entity needs to cease to exist.
Its that simple.
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Soporo
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:17:00 -
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Metagaming to a higher level than ever I thought possible, wonderfull. |
Clitorati Minora
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:17:00 -
[1126]
To everyone calling for T20's job, RELAX
I'm sure once an alienated player base starts leaving the game and the declining revenues force layoffs at CCP, his will be the first head on the chopping block.
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Vas Arach'ta
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:18:00 -
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Save for one or two rational, level-headed posts on this overbeaten topic, I've never witnessed a more vile collection of sensationalists in my entire life.
That, coupled with people here who seriously consider real life associations with known felons as being deserving of praise for ANY reason speaks mountains of the utter hypocrisy around here.
The mere thought of using that affiliation to try and bully a company response that appeases your own agenda--whatever it is, lurking behind this pathetic pretense of "justice" or "civic responsibility"--it makes me sick to my stomach. How do you people look at yourselves?
t20 made a mistake, but he's been held to account for his actions. The rest of you people keep standing on high on your soapboxes demanding his head like a lot of medieval knaves at a public execution.
Get a life! Cancel your account and use the money to build a monument to your hacker nub elsewhere! He'll be a pillar of justice next to ccp's faults, won't he!
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JohnStar
Caldari Grail Seekers NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:19:00 -
[1128]
The developers of this company will always play the games that they build here.
so that means us paying players are screwed.thank you CCP
The Greatest and Most Handsome Male in The EVE Universe..........also GOD'S gift to Woman.
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Loki Farseer
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:21:00 -
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Mmm a Group within a Ruling body not following the rules and profiting/altering events to suit their Goals/Desires....
Jeez, this wouldn't even make the 11 O'clock news in Real Life.
Quit b!thching and suck it up... this is sad, and if you were suprised something like this was going on you are truely naive.
(Since I know the Self-Righteous will whine... No I do not Condone this at all but really, if you think this is suprising... SERIOUSLY GROW UP.)
Power Corrupts and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.
-This is not an alt this is my 4 month old self, and SWA Doesn't give a Rat's A$$ what I think or say, Just the way I like it.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:21:00 -
[1130]
How many cancelled subscriptions will it take before t20 is shown out? One way to find out: Cancelling subscription, you did the talk, do the walk!
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:22:00 -
[1131]
Originally by: Nez Perces QFT my god... I had no idea but if you do indeed google this issue, like the poster said it is all over the place.... practically every major mmorg website has a story running on this issue.
At the very least CCP should find it a bit more difficult to ignore the tough questions with both their player base and the gaming media looking for answers.
t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
Tainos
Amarria Auxilia Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:23:00 -
[1132]
EVE's popularity grows!
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:23:00 -
[1133]
Originally by: Nez Perces QFT my god... I had no idea but if you do indeed google this issue, like the poster said it is all over the place.... practically every major mmorg website has a story running on this issue.
The damage being done to CCP's future revenue must be incalculable.
CCP must take a much more hardline stance so that this does not ruin the game long term....
another 10 years of EVE .. if BoB remain at the top of the food chain in their current state with all these allegations hanging over their heads?... you must be joking.
BoB as an entity needs to cease to exist.
Its that simple.
Like any good news rag all the mmo sites will jump on this like starving jackels.. And as far as CCP's future income.. ROFL..Do you really think that the majority of the mmo playerbase (eve included) even has a clue about what is right and wrong in a business sense? All they will see is some dev gave himself an advantage and then promptly forget it as they buy some gold from the chinese farmers..
Revelations.. The ****znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p ) |
Darth Sith
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:23:00 -
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I feel compelled to add to this thread before someone claims it has "served it's purpose" and locks it ..
The simple fact that some idiot Dev blatantly cheets in a game that we pay for is completely unacceptable. In reading through this list of responses .. it is quite clear that most of us feel that he should loose his job.
The simple fact that GM's are creating accounts and just happen to be ranking members of the alliance that seems to never loose is just a bit rediculous to me .. How are these people allowed to do this in the first place? And on what friggin planet is this considered acceptable ?
This deserves more then just a slap on the hand .. and I get the distinct impression that CCP is only telling about 10% of the truth. Wake up CCP .. we are the people that pay your paychecks and you are accountable .. for once, put the findings on the table and fess up to exactly what happened if you want to regain the trust of your player base.
Any GM's playing the game to 'experience it from the player view " should be routinely starting new accounts and starting from scratch to see what it is really like. Having ranking positions in one of the most powerfull alliances in the game with oodles of isk is not exactly a 'real experience' ..
For anyone that thinks just having this guy start a new account and not dealing with the other GM's being blobbed up or the fallout from this situation .. I only have to say.. Get your head out of your ass and join the real world ..
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JohnStar
Caldari Grail Seekers NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:24:00 -
[1135]
t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
and ooh yes ill give bob a head start because im on higher level..
The Greatest and Most Handsome Male in The EVE Universe..........also GOD'S gift to Woman.
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Vehestian
Killson Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:25:00 -
[1136]
Greatest hope that this gets resolved in an uber-soon kind of way.
And to anyone defending the accused BOB...eat it. EVE is not about BoB. BoB is one alliance among many. 'OMG but BoB is the awesome!"
No.
No greater than anyone who put their whole-hearted effort into building something different: LV, RA, D2, HF, AXE, old SA, FIX, AAA, the new CA. If BoB was the answer to EVE, everyone would be in it. I know most of us would enjoy being in BoB, or accepted in its circles of influence, if only because that would make **** easy for us. We reject that.
The high horse has broken its leg here. Time for some euthanasia.
There are a lot of us who want to see corpses. Let the **** hit the fan amigos. Grats BoB, you now have the whole EVE community to deal with. Sad day.
Lest I be redundant, my posting ends here. Wutang.
We who are about to lag salut you! 0/ |
Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: The Libertine I think I just found my new sig.
By all means use it. Its from an old t20 post (Linkage) where he discusses people finding out dev alts and is a rather interesting read in light of this new information.
Hmm.
Then: Sympathy for t20 (although now we know some of the posts were from corpmates) Now: Notsomuch...
I wonder what changed?
Oh, and scratch-and-opinion alt Dred'Pirate Jesus 4tw! \o/
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:28:00 -
[1138]
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Noreen Their method of doing it as they do currently has lead to a 41 page thread of discontent among customers within 7 hours. If they do not take action now, you will find yourself lonely at the next EvE festival.
And in less than a week or two noone will even care about this event as no territory or any substancial alliance gain or loss came from it.. Its just the 'common people' haveing a good time lording over ONE of the 'royaltys' trangressions.. Meh..
If you make that into a bet then I would love to get in on the action.
If CCP treats this as a non-event I expect this issue to follow the game for a loong time.
CCP needs to be decicive and put down the law. If they act like polititians and beat round the bush in the hopes it will go away they will find people can be very upset about such things.
Ps. any reply on the issue of the person who did not get the Sabre BPO? Ds.
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Vehestian
Killson Corp
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:28:00 -
[1139]
Originally by: Vas Arach'ta
Save for one or two rational, level-headed posts on this overbeaten topic, I've never witnessed a more vile collection of sensationalists in my entire life.
That, coupled with people here who seriously consider real life associations with known felons as being deserving of praise for ANY reason speaks mountains of the utter hypocrisy around here.
The mere thought of using that affiliation to try and bully a company response that appeases your own agenda--whatever it is, lurking behind this pathetic pretense of "justice" or "civic responsibility"--it makes me sick to my stomach. How do you people look at yourselves?
t20 made a mistake, but he's been held to account for his actions. The rest of you people keep standing on high on your soapboxes demanding his head like a lot of medieval knaves at a public execution.
Get a life! Cancel your account and use the money to build a monument to your hacker nub elsewhere! He'll be a pillar of justice next to ccp's faults, won't he!
forbidden to post with your main eh?
We who are about to lag salut you! 0/ |
Dred'Pirate Jesus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.02.10 07:29:00 -
[1140]
Originally by: Ramblin Man Oh, and scratch-and-opinion alt Dred'Pirate Jesus 4tw! \o/
I only speak the truth..
P.S. I'm no alt.. None of my characters are in any player corp or ever will be.. :-P
Revelations.. The ****znit.. ( FFS ****znit is blocked?! Quit using Babelfish for a blocked word filter engine CCP.. :-p ) |
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