Originally by: Kcel Chim

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Last but not least ask yourself about Mr.K and his dubious ways. You think a criminal, albeit one who cant be persecuted due to his homecountry, is the most reliable source of information, especially if you PAY him for it ? What keeps him from pulling a huge scam on you to just get to your isk ? You have no way to verify the info he is presenting and you keep paying for beyond the point that some of it -might- or -could- be true. True as saying a hurricane is also just some wind...

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Logic, sidestep ?

I didn't see any logic that I havent adressed earlier already.

Normal healthy and respectfull players stfu when they connect a dev with a player account. The CCP rule on recycling those character when thay are made public isn't there to protect you, but to protect them from being harrased by people with questions, statements and utterly idiotic accusations.

What protects you is the auditing and the ethos of CCP employees, and that's quite enough.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 07/02/2007 10:46:25

Originally by: Dragutinovic

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Then some of you lot should get a ban as well tbh .
You gotta agree with me that some of you get away on teh forums andingame with a lot more then others .

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If we do it's because we mostly excalate in reaction to trolling. It's also a fact that most BoB active posters are good at treading the line.

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Rockduiveltje incident : -> No actions taken
****uko -Yaeko (sp) incident : -> No actions taken
Goonswarm incident : -> No actions taken

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Please explain these. I know that rockduiveltje was more or less insulted quite heavily back then. Not that she was any better as far as I remember, but I forget what exactly happened there.

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You lot demanded the " ebayers " and " macroers "of PA to get slapped and kicked , yet some of you are guilty to that as well .

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We are ? And we did ?

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i do demand some of BoB due get their asses kicked .

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Makes you wonder if its worth keep fighting teh good fight in this game as so to speak .

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The good fight ?
Beam, eye, pot, kettle, black, whatever ?

During the PA war things got out of hand as well o teh smack/propaganda front. They always do. I personally find that a bit sad, but it's mostly due to the same thigns that make this game great so you take it in your stride.

Things become rather different once immediate wars are over tho. What i cannot understand and never have udnerstood is that alot of people don't seem able to let the tension level lower again after a war has been decided ingame, and continue to not just smack and spread lies, but also seem to actually believe wha they say.

If anything, it's fanboyism that's killing Eve.

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Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT

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I SAY TO ALL, IF THIS DOESNT GET SORTED all paying customers that see this unfair should stop paying and close their accounts for 1 month to show CCP we are the ones that PAY them and should show a little respect to its paying customers!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: Niaski Zalani

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Originally by: Sinlare

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Originally by: Luna Liandri

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always the same game - shoot the messenger, sidestep the topic ...

boring, and i may add i've seen better quality posts from RB.

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Shoot the messenger that used illegal action to obtain his message. Yes, please do shoot and don't miss.

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Alledged illegal action.

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Aren't we meant to presume guilt and get him to prove otherwise?

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Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT

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All I'm going to say on this "Devs and BoB" is now we know that BoB need and have to CHEAT and that the Devs themselves have to cheat at the game they help produce, sorry guys u suck...do the right thing and remove all BPO's that was seeded to BoB and sort out the T2 lottery. Sorry CCP it just shows everybody that pays your wages you cant step up and be fair, you screw us for cash and then ask us to beta test this game for you and then you CHEAT!

In my eyes BoB are now the biggest joke because they need to have help compared to everyone else that work hard in the game.

So when i see a BoB in space i will laugh and call them a cheat, I don't care if they are a normal player but to me all of BoB are CHEATS cause they need the help of the DEVS to play this game...i know if i die to one my loss mail if allowed by my CEO will not be posted

Heard that you are even making a monument of Cyvoks Titan wreck...you have time to do this but fix nothing else? and to make a monument for BoB lol your are taking the p***

I SAY TO ALL, IF THIS DOESNT GET SORTED all paying customers that see this unfair should stop paying and close their accounts for 1 month to show CCP we are the ones that PAY them and should show a little respect to its paying customers!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: SNeAkYbRiT

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I SAY TO ALL, IF THIS DOESNT GET SORTED all paying customers that see this unfair should stop paying and close their accounts for 1 month to show CCP we are the ones that PAY them and should show a little respect to its paying customers!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: Niaski Zalani

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Originally by: Avon

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Originally by: Niaski Zalani

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Alledged illegal action.

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Aren't we meant to presume guilt and get him to prove otherwise?

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I thought the idea was innocent until proven guilty?

So it's alledged. Proof or STFU :)

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The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur

Originally by: Sinlare

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Originally by: Niaski Zalani

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Alledged illegal action.

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You're right, but no need to defend it so much, especially from a professional point of view. And yes, i know dutch hosters have that policy :)

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Originally by: Stalert Balakos

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You say that the deletion of these characters is unfortunate, from which we can only infer that they had done nothing wrong, so why not say that? If the investigation revealed that nothing untoward had happened why isn't that written in bold in paragraph one?

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What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!

Originally by: dj lightning

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Just shows u are only where u are b/c u are CHEATS.

I also remeber a CNR and Nighthawk take down 5 IAC ships in the championships the CNR was not even taking any shield damage 1 word HAX.

As for the tech 2 BPO`s u have HAXED that has got u important isk for Mothership/Titan BPO`s + more tech 2 BPO`s in my book u will always be CHEATS.

1 more thing as for the Titan wreak where is the 1`st dread wreak in game CCP or was it b/c we was NBSI and not BOB that u have not put this in.

DJ

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Originally by: Stalert Balakos

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Dear kieron,
Do you really think this statement "will put this issue behind us once and for all and allow us to continue moving forward with the support of our community"? If so, I think you'll be sorely disappointed.

At the time these allegations first arose you promised us a full investigation. Many of us hoped that you would share the results of that investigation with us but you have not.

You have stated that certain dev characters have been deleted because it had become known that they were used by CCP employees. As I understand it this would have to have happened anyway - whether the allegations were true or not - so this doesn't shed any light on the results of the investigations.

You say that the deletion of these characters is unfortunate, from which we can only infer that they had done nothing wrong, so why not say that? If the investigation revealed that nothing untoward had happened why isn't that written in bold in paragraph one?

It may not satisfy the BoB haters or even (for different reasons) their opposite numbers in the BoB forum squad but for the 90 per cent of us (a pure guesstimate) in the middle it would have been enough.

The fact that you won't share the results of your investigations with us just leads everyone to jump to conclusions and hence you get the resulting flame-filled thread rehashing the same issues all over again.

I'm not interested in seeing anyone's name dragged through the mud, I just want you to tell us straightforwardly what the investigation revealed.

I think you've missed a very good opportunity to once again prove that CCP is the best MMORPG developer out there.

Yours, disillusioned

Stal

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Originally by: Stalert Balakos

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I think you've missed a very good opportunity to once again prove that CCP is the best MMORPG developer out there.

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Originally by: Mar vel

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Iraf and Gringeley got it spot-on. Not a ton to add to those very, very effective arguments.

Kieron (CCP) - political double-talk is not your forte. Stick to coding games. You're dealing with an highly-advanced player base here - and there are vast numbers of us who navigate and negotiate situations like these for snacks.

CCP's answers do little to assuage the festering hostility felt by your community - why? Well let's re-state the issue for the learning impaired:

1. Manipulating the T2 lottery system to provide BPO's to an alliance - for a *random* lottery it sure does smack of impropriety that one individual could get 10 BPO's, let alone one player who is a Dev AND playing for the most wealthy, unchallenged alliance in the game.

2. Lying about playing in Bob.

3. Ignoring the need to act with responsible behaviour in terms of maintaining a level playing field for ALL customers.

For my money - your *findings statement* says very little and does even less.

You guys got bagged red handed and did zero about it. What that tells me is that the persons involved are too high up to fire or censor.

And I really question your seriousness when you are fishing for sympathy votes by telling us you'll have to retire characters. Why do I care if you have to retire your characters? -not my problem, or anyone else's - and if you guys had been stand-up guys about the whole thing from the very begining, it would have never been an issue. All you had to do was play fairly, not play favorites, keep attention away from yourselves and keep your mouths shut. You can hardly complain to the community because you have to sack your character due to your own ignorance and corruption. So sad. - and anyway, you guys will slap a new name / face on them and call it good, so big deal. So you won't have the coolest character name in your Dev area anymore. Bah. Get real, man.

The issue(s) at hand involve customer confidence; innappropriately loading the game in favor of your own player/corp/alliance and at the expense of everyone else is hardly a noble endeavour - regardless or the original intent. There's an existing venue for that - it's SiSi, not TQ.

Will I quit? Probably not. Would CCP really care? Definitely not. Thanks for allowing us to see what we're really worth to you - $14.99 a month and "oh well, minus one won't kill the company" - "now where did I put that Cap Recharger II BPO...".

Not Impressed. Not one bit.

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