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mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.07 08:46:00 - [151] - Quote I tried posting something and it got deleted like 10 seconds after. theyre deleting whole posts to even hide the appearance of censorship. chribba needs to make his eve search spider index threads like this more often. it seems all the interesting and logical questions/posts have been deleted or censored. i really can't stand it tbh. seriously, ccp should just own up that something went wrong and they ought to fix it. you did it in the past, and reading old devblogs where devs admitted mistakes and such really attracted me to this game, and i kind of respected that. but theyre censoring everything right now, banning kugutsumen and refusing to even consider that there might be something wrong, as if the mostly unenforced consequences are enough. i'm not a rash person and threaten to quit, i still love the game but im dissapointed in the company. signed, 5 accounts GIVE ME BACK MY EXCLAMATION MARK PORTRAIT :( :( :( :( :( :(
Luna Liandri PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.02.07 08:46:00 - [152] - Quote i really didnt care much about isks or BPOs, this is a secondary issue in my eyes. information is what this game fuels, at least in the 0.0 alliance game. and therefore its unacceptable that devs are part of this game and have "in-game friends" - regardless which alliance they play in, what position they have and what they do. human nature as a social animal just doesnt allow to stay uninvolved and fair to the rest of your customers. devs, gms, etc, all employees - they shouldnt be allowed to fraternize in the slightest sense. all questions concerning that matter are left unresolved. we see no link to the policy for employees, no information how its controlled and enforced. quite the contrary, blurr statements. my conclusions: - CCP isnt aware that this is a problem for your customers - or CCP is but couldnt care less - alliance game is not level, all your big "player-based content is our goal"-blogs are not worth a dime - this game has lost its USP and is not recommendable sad day indeed.
Sephiraa	Posted - 2007.02.07 08:48:00 - [153] - Quote Edited by: Sephiraa on 07/02/2007 08:48:30 Originally by: IntegralHellsing Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 07/02/2007 08:20:46 Deletion of char is a bit upsetting even to me. poor devs, have to delete their beloved chars. Quote: Due to the amount of time that has passed since the planning and execution of the event arc, we have not been able to confirm nor deny the veracity of these allegations. I am sure CCP has all the logs from the event, and also have the ability evaluate whether the info was leaked before the event or not. Don't say that CCP doesn't even keep the files/logs of how the planning went everyday, and how the event was executed. According to what Oveur posted, they seem to have logs dating back to each character's creation. If that is true, and I believe Oveur, then something is clearly not right in all of this, and the explanation we have been given rings very hollow. Quote: Originally Posted by Oveur Regarding the investigation, there will be a conclusion to it published, but it's going to be done when there is a conclusion, not before. This investigation, like others, isn't going to be rushed. And yes, it does take days. We are effectively re-auditing all the player accounts, all the time the account has been played, since he started. But more on that later. As pointed out, the process is sometimes as important as the conclusion. This is what gets me though. Quote: Originally Posted by Kieron As for diffusing the situation by mentioning this at the start of the thread, unfortunately, it wouldn't have. There are too many people who are willing to believe any tale where there are allegations of people abusing positions of authority. A few pages back, I made a post mentioning the wide range of play styles and organizations the Devs participate in, including the presence of Devs in alliances other than BoB. That has done little to stop the anti-BoB sentiments running rampant in the thread. Personally, I'm still wondering why CCP seems more concerned about what the community thinks of BoB, instead of the actual reasons behind such sentiments. The very fact that the people out as CCP employees have had their characters removed lends a significant amount of credibility to the other claims that accompanied those names being revealed. This response effectively verified the community concerns by letting us know that the names revealed were in fact CCP employees. If those names were not made up, and were not in fact part of a fictional smear campaign, then it seems all too likely that the rest of the claims made are equally true. This looks very, very bad.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 08:50:00 - [154] - Quote I'm as disgusted by this post by Kieron as any of you, and actually for the same reason as many of you. I'd like to see CCP give us the infomration they can find out about any and all accusations against us and them item by item. Quite dissapoitning to see Kieron unable to communicate clearly again. As for the witchhunt, well, i've made my pov known. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.07 08:52:00 - [155] - Quote Just to reinforce the above constructive arguments really. I think for CCP's sake and the comminuty's sake, a full breakdown of what has happened and what step have been taken, needs to be made public. It sounds like a substantial portion of the accusations you have, either proved correct, or have been completely unable to detect; which is pretty worrying. It's good to say that CCP employees have had their characters removed, but what about secondary effects on the players of the information/equipment that has been passed on? Can we please have more information about what has happened? What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2007.02.07 08:52:00 - [156] - Quote Originally by: Milano II The T2 BPOs? We all know one famous alliance has almost all of them, mostly dev-created/hax0red/handed-out or whatever- because afterall... they're not the carebears they try to come across as.... they dont do agent missions that often to get these things from the faulty lottery system that has been set up anyway. LOL even ive had 3 t2 bpo and had a further 3 i turnt down and im no 'carebear' and theres plnety in BoB Your hate for Bob is the only 'proof' you have, you ever considered he bought some of those via auctions? alot of those ammo bpo hardly sell for much If your friend kugutswhatever wants to rid of bob why hasnt he posted anything really useful like a post of bob members telling other bout the haxs they used to shoot you behind the pos bubble?? dont let your hate for BoB fk over ccp Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'**
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 08:53:00 - [157] - Quote Kieron, Since people fail to have reading comprehension 101, could you please state, if ANY wrongdoings at all were found? As for the rest of you lot, We play the game on a high level, we have a high profile, this isnt the first accusations of cheat, hax, and god knows what else that has been flung at us. The tinfoil hattery is amazing, i know that you would love for us all to be framed for some conspiracy. Since we are all still here, all the accusations are totally baseless. There will be devs in every alliance in the game, and i for one, do not wanna know who is a dev or not, i want them to be in the middle of everything, from lowlevel gaming, to highlevel gaming, so that they see the issues we all face, from day to day. Face it, you love the drama and the conspiracy theories, and thats all there is, drama and conspiracy theories.
Kai Gaivuuri Caldari GalacTECH Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.02.07 08:55:00 - [158] - Quote There is no excuse to to this mess... How is it possible that the ones involved in the actual development of the game play? How it is even REMOTELY POSSIBLE that those devs playing would have revealed their real command level. It is inexcusable and impossible to control. There are always ways to get around even the heaviest control. I have been a MMORPG GM myself and I know how goddamn easy it is to cheat even when every item, every change you make is logged. I have busted those cheaters myself and where I was the things were always informed to the community. A MMORPG shouldn't be a totalitarian system where the guys running the show are quiet and don't act by the book themselves What kind of example do you want to set? If cheating happens even among the staff what authority do you have on anyone? It is the most hypocritical thing ever. Being open and telling what happened, why it happened and what are we gonna do in the future would help a lot. At the moment I can't believe what I am seeing. This is meant to be a game that is handled in a professional way. What the heck am I paying for? I pay for the devs so that they can develop the game and at the same time force me to bend over... thank you. Being honest and straightforward would help the company the most. Otherwise people will whine, whine and continue to whine. Answering to every question is impossible but doing the best thing possible is a lot better than trying to ban those who ask for answers and want the honesty. Treat the players and especially yourselves by the rules. I really thought I would never see this in a MMORPG that I pay for.
Anila's Delight	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:02:00 - [159] - Quote Originally by: Steve Nash Originally by: Anila's Delight I am inclined to agree with the BoB forum professionals (gah!) on this one, bob have been branded as guilty before any eveidence has been presented to the comunity (which i dont think it will), because these kinds of allegations have been flying around for a while now. Everyone who has posted anti-bob and bob=dev in this thread are taking the word of a known hacker (by his own admission) without proof to the contrary. Sounds like slandering a superier PvP force to me. Sore loosers anyone? I don't think you can point a finger at the community here. The fact is that the statement delivered by CCP has served to cast more suspicion on themselves and BoB. I'm not a BoB hater, but somethin dont smell right. I am not pointing at the comunity as a whole, just those who belived the word of a self admitted hacker (who's data can not be verified by anyone non-ccp) without waiting for proof. I think that it is wrong to belive someone is guilty untill proven innocent. You cant trust a hacker, and how can you verify what he said is the truth and not just a part of a smear campaign. I have seen in a bob=dev sig "quis custodiet ipsos custodies" i ask, who will guard the guards against a comminity who is intent on drawing blood from ccp in this witch hunt
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:06:00 - [160] - Quote Originally by: Kai Gaivuuri T Being open and telling what happened, why it happened and what are we gonna do in the future would help a lot. At the moment I can't believe what I am seeing. This is meant to be a game that is handled in a professional way. What the heck am I paying for? I pay for the devs so that they can develop the game and at the same time force me to bend over... thank you. Being honest and straightforward would help the company the most. Otherwise people will whine, whine and continue to whine. Answering to every question is impossible but doing the best thing possible is a lot better than trying to ban those who ask for answers and want the honesty. Treat the players and especially yourselves by the rules. I really thought I would never see this in a MMORPG that I pay for. You know why you're seeing it? Not because the MMORPG or it's developers made it so. It probably never even happened at all. It's because of the rotten part of the community that make it so. Look at yourself first before blaming someone else. The players are ruining the game, not the devs.

Niaski Zalani Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:07:00 - [161] - Quote Originally by: SirMolle We play the game on a high level, we have a high profile, this isnt the first accusations of cheat, hax, and god knows what else that has been flung at us. Does that "high level" also include some of your membership threatening to DDoS the kugutsumen.com site? Because someone did threaten with it, and there have been a few attempts at it so far. Could've been anyone really, so consider this one public notice; a) it won't work, b) if it works, it won't work for long, c) it'll have to involve law enforcement at some point, although that's not something I'd like to do, or d) I'll just handle it myself in which case the results won't be pretty. (No, I'm not Kugutsumen, I'm just the guy that hosts his site. Guess I'll get ready for the thwack upside the head with the banstick now...) yarr.
Jane Spondogolo	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:07:00 - [162] - Quote I can see CCP are stuck somewhere between a rock and a hard place on the issue. I'd highly doubt it possible to 'fire' or substantially 'discipline' an employee based on the claims of a hacker. A court would not accept it on the grounds that if it was 'dishonestly' obtained info, then its legally dishonest info, and if said employee appealed to a court on unfair dismissal, he'd win hands down. HOWEVER. There seems little evidence to suggest that the evidence is actually incorrect. Off the cuff remarks by certain higher level BOB players, and GM's indicate that at least a 'balance of odds' reading of the evidence favors its accuracy. It seems fair to suggest that the average Bobbit is entirely innocent of the charges laid out by the community. For op-sec reasons most rank and file alliance members DONT get told full storys. This holds true for any smart alliance, particularly in a game that values cloak and daggery as an integral part of its role play and game play. So folks probably ought hold back on that. And likewise the other allegations that other alliances have directly encouraged or sponsored the hacker to do his thing are equally unfair. I'll also add finally that its almost certain the vast majority of CCP devs , volenteers and agents should be assumed to be beyond reproach regarding ethics. So where does this leave us? First off the allegations are serious ones. Thousands of eve players have invested thousands of hours and hundreds of RL dollars into playing this game based on the presumption that the advertised rules of the universe will favor and punish all equally, particularly in the case of the (frankly broken) T2 bpo system. A lucky strike on the lottery will earn a player vast wealth (Think hulk bpos for example) and influence in the broad meta-game of eve politics. So when the allegation that a team, already favored by strategic success and being held to be the #1 hegemon in the game, is being directly aided against other players in the T2 game, its something that must be taken seriously. Perhaps its too late. Perhaps removing the BPOs will unfairly punish too many players who already believe that such fortune was obtained fairly. Perhaps its not even true. But the community DOES have a right to know if this is happened. Obviously CCP can not reveal names, its honor bound to its EULA and probably workplace agreements, that this it wont. But a simple nod of "yes it appears something is awry with the bpos and we will negotiate a withdrawal of these assets", or even a "the system is automated, and the number in the game precisely matches the number seeded into the automatic system, thus no corruption has occured" would suffice. Then from there we'd like to hear of a policy. Perhaps the policy should be put to the community. Its a clever bunch in here, and Im sure something could be concocted that would allow CCP the rights to what it wants from its assets, whilst allowing its customers to know it can get what it pays for. I'd make some opening suggestions: First off I keep hearing that "devs should remain covert about being in alliances". Nonsense. This doesnt protect the game from corruption, only from corruption being detected. I'd suggest devs actually DONT belong in big alliances at all. Perhaps CCP could look into instituting something like "Concord special police" or something like a real player branch of the factions that can be interacted with (for instance if a empire person is being suicide attacked he can call "the cops" or something). Or maybe something else. Maybe serpentis needs some pilots that cant be beaten by just going "look at the drones! now you are hypnotised!". Imagination is key here. I'd also like to suggest that perhaps in game governance be made a little more transparent. Justice shouldnt just be done, it needs to be seen to be done. And finally Un-nerf ECM This is most important.
Sephiraa	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:09:00 - [163] - Quote Originally by: Anila's Delight You cant trust a hacker, and how can you verify what he said is the truth and not just a part of a smear campaign. If it was all simply fiction, and just a part of a smear campaign, then no actual CCP characters names would have been revealed, and Kieron wouldn't have posted this: Quote: these accusations were recently brought forward when a player revealed the identity of numerous CCP employee characters. Since these play characters are known to belong to CCP employees, they will be removed from the game. How would anyone have known those numerous characters were CCP employee characters? It seems to me, if that part of the accusations is true, then Occam's Razor strongly suggests the other claims made in the accusations are equally true.
James Potkukelkka Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:10:00 - [164] - Quote Somehow a certain South Park episode comes into my mind. "We must find a way to stop the reports about priests" -- Always trust the devs
Brute Helmet Minmatar J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:10:00 - [165] - Quote The problem remains that we have no idea what really happened and BoB and CCP will be living with this smear, deserved or not, as long as you dont come clean with what happened. The problem with CCP devs playing the game is that if they are known as such to their alliance/corp there is a big risk that information about upcoming changes or "hidden" game mechanics leaks to their friends. Whether such a leak is intentional or not doesnt matter. _____________________________ Support the MGRL - uncover your six
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:10:00 - [166] - Quote Edited by: Sinlare on 07/02/2007 09:09:40 Edited by: Sinlare on 07/02/2007 09:07:09 Originally by: Niaski Zalani Originally by: SirMolle We play the game on a high level, we have a high profile, this isnt the first accusations of cheat, hax, and god knows what else that has been flung at us. Does that "high level" also include some of your membership threatening to DDoS the kugutsumen.com site? Because someone did threaten with it, and there have been a few attempts at it so far. Could've been anyone really, so consider this one public notice; a) it won't work, b) if it works, it won't work for long, c) it'll have to involve law enforcement at some point, although that's not something I'd like to do, or d) I'll just handle it myself in which case the results won't be pretty. (No, I'm not Kugutsumen, I'm just the guy that hosts his site. Guess I'll get ready for the thwack upside the head with the banstick now...) So, sni.ggerdly hosts a hacker huh? good to know It does explain why shamis responds the way he does. interesting.
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:12:00 - [167] - Quote Originally by: Jane Spondogolo I can see CCP are stuck somewhere between a rock and a hard place on the issue. I'd highly doubt it possible to 'fire' or substantially 'discipline' an employee based on the claims of a hacker. A court would not accept it on the grounds that if it was 'dishonestly' obtained info, then its legally dishonest info, and if said employee appealed to a court on unfair dismissal, he'd win hands down. I am admittedly unfamiliar with Icelandic law but that is absolutely not true where I live. Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to secrecy by CCP.
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:19:00 - [168] - Quote Originally by: Niaski Zalani Originally by: SirMolle We play the game on a high level, we have a high profile, this isnt the first accusations of cheat, hax, and god knows what else that has been flung at us. Does that "high level" also include some of your membership threatening to DDoS the kugutsumen.com site? Because someone did threaten with it, and there have been a few attempts at it so far. Could've been anyone really, so consider this one public notice; a) it won't work, b) if it works, it won't work for long, c) it'll have to involve law enforcement at some point, although that's not something I'd like to do, or d) I'll just handle it myself in which case the results won't be pretty. (No, I'm not Kugutsumen, I'm just the guy that hosts his site. Guess I'll get ready for the thwack upside the head with the banstick now...) Erm so its bad for peopel to DDoS your site but its ok for your mate to go aroudn hacking peoples forums? Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Platinum Sapphire Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:26:00 - [169] - Quote Originally by: SirMolle Kieron, Since people fail to have reading comprehension 101, could you please state, if ANY wrongdoings at all were found? Well gee, maybe the admission that some developers have had their characters deleted because they were publiclly known might be the proof you're looking for. After all, CCP's own rules state that dev character's are to be anonymous, not publiclly known. Since they have been removed from the game, then obviously there must have been some wrongdoing there for the names to have been able to be found publiclly. After all, even if your forums were hacked, the information was found out that these people were devs. This is information that should not have been known by ANYONE outside of CCP... even among a small group of "trusted people/friends". The rules are absolute.. they don't apply only now and then. You're the leader of the Alliance in question... How about YOU confirm or deny if any of the removed characters held high level positions within BoB, and whether you or any of your directors were aware that they were CCP staff?
Captain Thunk Explode. Now. Please.	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:30:00 - [170] - Quote Originally by: SirMolle Kieron, Since people fail to have reading comprehension 101, could you please state, if ANY wrongdoings at all were found? As for the rest of you lot, We play the game on a high level, we have a high profile, this isnt the first accusations of cheat, hax, and god knows what else that has been flung at us. The tinfoil hattery is amazing, i know that you would love for us all to be framed for some conspiracy. Since we are all still here, all the accusations are totally baseless. There will be devs in every alliance in the game, and i for one, do not wanna know who is a dev or not, i want them to be in the middle of everything, from lowlevel gaming, to highlevel gaming, so that they see the issues we all face, from day to day. Face it, you love the drama and the conspiracy theories, and thats all there is, drama and conspiracy theories. You've been caught red-handed with information that has been verified regardless of how "highlevel gaming" it was obtained. You accept the profits of macro operations with full knowledge. You're well aware that characters are traded by your directors for cash. You know that your members engage in the same activities as kugutsumen but lack the balls to go public. This is hardly baseless accusations. What you've done with your highlevel gaming is forced everyone to use the same methods in order to compete on a level playing field, which means there's a lot of EULA's that are going to be torn up and ignored on the proviso that all such activities and transactions are conducted out of game and don't leave an ingame trail - you've afterall proven that it's easy to get away with it. Nice one mate. CAPTAIN THUNK If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire...The ENP-Team.

Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:32:00 - [171] - Quote Edited by: Ab Initio on 07/02/2007 09:31:10 Originally by: Platinum Sapphire Well gee, maybe the admission that some developers have had their characters deleted because they were publiclly known might be the proof you're looking for. After all, CCP's own rules state that dev character's are to be anonymous, not publiclly known. Since they have been removed from the game, then obviously there must have been some wrongdoing there for the names to have been able to be found publiclly. After all, even if your forums were hacked, the information was found out that these people were devs. This is information that should not have been known by ANYONE outside of CCP... even among a small group of "trusted people/friends". The rules are absolute.. they don't apply only now and then. If you actually knew what you were talking about, and weren't just running around with a pitchfork, you would realise why that doesn't make any sense. Originally by: Captain Thunk You accept the profits of macro operations with full knowledge. CAPTAIN THUNK If you knew what you were talking about, you would have already seen the replies noting that Bob petitioned the group, and they were not found to be macroers or anything else (see the posts in other threads).
Casper Ozymandias	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:32:00 - [172] - Quote This post has been swept under the rug 3 times already. Am I the only one who has noticed posts speaking out against CCPs corruption in this thread being outright deleted? This whole investigation was a joke, Not only was there no real answer for a well deserved question, but the real question itself was entirely ignored and substituted with one no one really cared about. What did you actually expect would happen after making this announcement? That everyone would be happy and content. Please don't tell me that you are that naive- Well, Considering that you permit devs to take part of the 0.0 game i wouldn't be surprised if you were. Also, It's hilarious that you are more concerned about everyone picking on BoB (Gee i wonder why?!) rather than trying appease your paying customers. Blatant favouritism, if there weren't enough evidence already.
Cyrus Ildemar GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:33:00 - [173] - Quote I hope the people who outright delete this post immediately along with all the others feels really, really good about what they're doing.
Ashail	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:34:00 - [174] - Quote Guys, I think we can turn our focus away from BoB. Their reputation is so ridiculously soiled now anything and everything that comes from one of their members is just laughable.
Wizzkidy	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:34:00 - [175] - Quote I think it's absolutly terrible that this even needed to happen and I lose faith in CCP being able to make a fair game tbh. If this thing did happen which they could well of then I am desgusted with CCP. I do not care what "logging" they put on any of the Dev player char's it should not happen full stop. If this means dev player char's cannot go into big alliances then so be it I don't mind them playing the game but as for joining alliances that can be abused is a no go This really does hurt my playing of EVE-Online and tbh with this allagations I cannot help thinking that it might make me think twice about logging on and playing as much. Also Kieron you say "Our goal is to provide the best possible game" but tbh what you have stated about you not able to find any evidence then how are you providing the best possible game? I call BS tbh. I said 7 months ago that there where things not right about the way bob played the game and how things "happened" while they came to take over certain space yet people laughed and said it could never happen, yet now we see a HUGE investigation and STILL you cannot confirm or deny the fact that something happened. I am absolutly desgusted with the way this has happened.
Logan Feynman Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:35:00 - [176] - Quote Originally by: Platinum Sapphire Originally by: SirMolle Kieron, Since people fail to have reading comprehension 101, could you please state, if ANY wrongdoings at all were found? Well gee, maybe the admission that some developers have had their characters deleted because they were publiclly known might be the proof you're looking for. After all, CCP's own rules state that dev character's are to be anonymous, not publiclly known. Since they have been removed from the game, then obviously there must have been some wrongdoing there for the names to have been able to be found publiclly. After all, even if your forums were hacked, the information was found out that these people were devs. This is information that should not have been known by ANYONE outside of CCP... even among a small group of "trusted people/friends". The rules are absolute.. they don't apply only now and then. You're the leader of the Alliance in question... How about YOU confirm or deny if any of the removed characters held high level positions within BoB, and whether you or any of your directors were aware that they were CCP staff? The second bolded part makes absolutely no sense at all. The first one does, though. There was no "evidence" in any of Kugutsumen's blogs, only conjectures and vague innuendos. As far as BPOs are concerned, there was a limited amount of t2 BPOs seeded, with the exact number precisely known. It is impossible to "spawn" additional ones without gathering attention. There was no proof the BPOs were spawned. The only thing proven from the Kugutsumen's blogs is that there were devs in BoB. They are there no more, whether they deserve it, or not. To any and all of you that feel that CCP has wronged you in any way, please feel free to vote with your wallet and leave this game. Perhaps that would make CCP rethink their handling of the situation. Perhaps. But it certainly will make me a happy puppy. So happy that someone else can have your stuff, as far as I'm concerned. . "Life is no way to treat an animal." ~Tombstone of Kilgore Trout
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:36:00 - [177] - Quote Hey CCP, Why don't you just delete this thread seeing as your obviously going mad trimming it like a freaking bonsai tree.
Casper Ozymandias	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:46:00 - [178] - Quote Quote this if you hate censorship.
Eelifea	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:46:00 - [179] - Quote Originally by: Casper Ozymandias Quote this if you hate censorship.
Cyrus Ildemar GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.02.07 09:46:00 - [180] - Quote Edited by: Cyrus Ildemar on 07/02/2007 09:43:14 Originally by: Eelifea Originally by: Casper Ozymandias Quote this if you hate censorship.

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