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Anila's Delight
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Posted - 2007.02.07 04:36:00 -
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Second! FIRST
It is good to see that CCP are taking these allegations seriously and i belive i speak on behalf of the players of eve when i say i hope this investigation is concluded quickly.
The real first poster just posted "first, your the first with content , so your the new first poster, congrats - Ductoris
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Posted - 2007.02.07 05:56:00 -
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I wade through corporate BS and doubletalk on a daily bases, so i would like to provide my interpretation of kierons post
Paragraph 1: CCP acknowladge the claims of Dev misconduct and say that they are doing what they can with everything avaliable to them to look into the matter,
Paragraph 2: Defines the issue in CCP's eyes. The first issue is people finding out who dev player accounts are. Previous history of action taken by CCP concerned with the player base finding out about dev player accounts.
Paragraph 3: Deals with the second issue, that there were leaked details about an event arc. Basically, they cant do much about it as too much time has passed
Paragraph 4: A bit about CCP policy with Dev player characters and action that has been taken so far
Paragraph 5: Shows us what CCP have done to help prevent Dev misconduct in the game and says whilst the system isnt 100% (what system is) they are confident they can track down any misconduct that has occured
Paragraph 6: A little about why the devs do have player accounts and a bit about having restrictions placed on them, which would hinder eve's development.
Paragraph 7: Self explanitory
my vies for the reading impaired.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 06:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Roland 99
Edited by: Roland 99 on 07/02/2007 06:07:56
Problems I have with this:
1. no names were admitted as to the characters involved. This should have been a public execution of the people who knowingly screwed honest eve players.
2. no assurance given that BOB will no longer have access to privilaged information
3. removing the seemingly limited number of characters alluded to will not keep the afortamentioned info out of BOB hands
4. No action alluded to or taken to remove all the T2 BPO's BOB received via GM intervention and/or hacks and exploits
5. such as no access to Tranquility or special flagging on a developerFs player character -- would greatly hinder the development of EVE.
THIS IS BULLCRAP AND WILL ALLOW THIS ACTIVITY TO CONTINUE
6. WHY THE HELL WERE THESE PEOPLE NOT FIRED??!!
7. like an american political candidate, what they said was designed to enrage the fewest number of people and will result in virtually zero constructive action
8. They got away with it and will continue to do so. No one will defeat BOB with this sickening amount of dev intervention(AKA unexplained lag, sploits, and all that rubbish). I am seriously considering removing my eve account due to the fact that no one has or will ever have a level playing field.
Would you like your bosses to proclaim to the community that you were fired for a gross breach of trust?
Also CCP policy is not to disscuss GM action (IIRC), why should they make an exception to this? Because the some in the comunity ask for it? Where does it end?
Why should they say which characters were involved? That reads a breach of trust to me?
Everyone has their reasons, you dont agree with CCP's reasons for not reavealing their actions, that is your problem. I agree with them not disclosing their actions, as to do so would breach all trust in CCP
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Posted - 2007.02.07 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: La Tortura
Edited by: La Tortura on 07/02/2007 06:20:55
I think CCP just dont understand all the seriousness of the problem. You think that you still can save your reputation, right?
It is too late to save reputation after all the things happened recently. Public opinion is against you. Now the only thing you can do is regain reputation.
And to get it back you should show to the community that you _actively_ trying to stop all cases of misconduct, and to reveal names and punish those who even remotely related to cases of such misconduct. You shouldn't ask for concerns to forvard to you. What you should do is to find yourself cases that werent known to community before your anouncement and present them to community.
How large of a percentage of eve players actuallly know of these allegations? I would assume only those who browse the forums.
Does the whole gaming community worldwide know of these allegations? I doubt it.
I belive that CCP would know the seriousness of the allegations and belive that they have and are continuing to take the appropriate actions, these just may not be appropriate for publice anouncement in a 'name and shame' style, which can possibly lead to lawsuits.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Roland 99
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Would you like your bosses to proclaim to the community that you were fired for a gross breach of trust?
Also CCP policy is not to disscuss GM action (IIRC), why should they make an exception to this? Because the some in the comunity ask for it? Where does it end?
Why should they say which characters were involved? That reads a breach of trust to me?
Everyone has their reasons, you dont agree with CCP's reasons for not reavealing their actions, that is your problem. I agree with them not disclosing their actions, as to do so would breach all trust in CCP
bosses do typically admit the who involved with a major scandal that threatens the very foundation of what your organization stands for as a deterrent for future activity.
If they dont admit, it is usually pretty easy to tell who did it when they suddenly go missing.
I am sorry if my feelings on the matter have offended you, but sometimes, a more public resolution is necessary when he very legal (read devs) foundation of a system has been heavily compromised by corruption
I agree that bosses do generally admit who was involved with a scandle, but this isn't a general situation. As CCP do not disscuss GM action normally, i would expect them to to keep quiet what they have done as it builds trust in the system that they have in place, no matter what the cercumstances, ccp stand by their privacy policy. Most large companies enforces policy quite harshley and no one is spared, as CCP have a non-discussion policy they are not doing anything that i wouldnt expect from another company.
No offence taken here, i am just trying to have a discussion on this topic (something that is rare on these boards) before the thread is locked from flaming and trolling. No offence intended to anyone here.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 06:59:00 -
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Areas of investigation include, but are not limited to: messaging history, financial and transactional history, combat and corporation logs, item and cash transfers and IP logs.
That is ALOT of data to go though for those that the allegations were raised against. Think of how many market transactions you make in a day, combat logs you make, items and cash transfered.
I can't see anywhere in keirons post that he said that they have concluded the investigation.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
1. Is the investigation over?
2. If so, has it been determined whether or not the alleged parties have acted inappropriately?
3. If so, have the alleged parties been punished for their inappropriate actions?
He does have a point, you dont have to name anyone or specify the actions taken. Just say something like: Yes the investigation has concluded and appropriate action has been taken against those we have found to be acting inappropriately.
Nothing to specific there.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Merciless1
Originally by: kieron
We hope that this statement will put this issue behind us once and for all and allow us to continue moving forward with the support of our community.
That says to me that CCP have released their official statement and they are not going to discuss any future action taken.
The whole BoB are devs thing has sounded like a conspiracy against a greater PvP force from day one to me.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:23:00 -
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I am inclined to agree with the BoB forum professionals (gah!) on this one, bob have been branded as guilty before any eveidence has been presented to the comunity (which i dont think it will), because these kinds of allegations have been flying around for a while now.
Everyone who has posted anti-bob and bob=dev in this thread are taking the word of a known hacker (by his own admission) without proof to the contrary. Sounds like slandering a superier PvP force to me.
Sore loosers anyone?
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Posted - 2007.02.07 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Merciless1
Originally by: Anila's Delight
Originally by: Merciless1
Originally by: kieron
We hope that this statement will put this issue behind us once and for all and allow us to continue moving forward with the support of our community.
That says to me that CCP have released their official statement and they are not going to discuss any future action taken.
The whole BoB are devs thing has sounded like a conspiracy against a greater PvP force from day one to me.
As I said previously, when a GM spawned a faction fitted rattlesnake the investigation and actions taken where made clear to the players. This sin't your normal "We dn't discuss GM actions" situation. When rules are broken on this level there is much more community interest, this is because it may have a signifigant effect on the community. This isn't about BoB or alliance politics, this is about senior CCP employees influencing the game. More importantly, releasing vague statments only adds fuel to the fire, so either be open and honest or expect the situation to get worse.
Maybe the only action to date has been the removal of the known dev accounts and as such cant provide information on an event that hasnt transpired yet, as they may be waiting for more evidence to come to light.
I'm gonna wait this one out and see what more they may have to say.
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Posted - 2007.02.07 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Nash
Originally by: Anila's Delight
I am inclined to agree with the BoB forum professionals (gah!) on this one, bob have been branded as guilty before any eveidence has been presented to the comunity (which i dont think it will), because these kinds of allegations have been flying around for a while now.
Everyone who has posted anti-bob and bob=dev in this thread are taking the word of a known hacker (by his own admission) without proof to the contrary. Sounds like slandering a superier PvP force to me.
Sore loosers anyone?
I don't think you can point a finger at the community here. The fact is that the statement delivered by CCP has served to cast more suspicion on themselves and BoB. I'm not a BoB hater, but somethin dont smell right.
I am not pointing at the comunity as a whole, just those who belived the word of a self admitted hacker (who's data can not be verified by anyone non-ccp) without waiting for proof. I think that it is wrong to belive someone is guilty untill proven innocent. You cant trust a hacker, and how can you verify what he said is the truth and not just a part of a smear campaign.
I have seen in a bob=dev sig "quis custodiet ipsos custodies" i ask, who will guard the guards against a comminity who is intent on drawing blood from ccp in this witch hunt
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