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koenkoard
Bogan Nation I N F A M O U S
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Posted - 2016.02.28 02:32:45 -
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1. Skill injectors 2. No drones on carriers
Just 2 examples (among a lot) of the 2 main policies that CCP has/will always follow. ItGÇÖs their trademark so to speak:
1. To plain and simple strip money out of players (300mil extractors lol) 2. To systematically make it harder and harder for players to make Isk on their own (so they can enforce #1 easier)
So in short: ripGÇÖem off and cripple them so they canGÇÖt earn. CCPGÇÖs signature modus operandi.
Say what you want but we all know itGÇÖs true.
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Darth Biznaga
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2016.02.28 03:44:18 -
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They might as well make you earn active SP for doing stuff ( mining/killing etc ). I'd also like special uber modified implants that'll give me like +10 attributes or those Cerebral accelators thingys i can then buy for money/plex/aurum/isk. Learningboosters perhaps?
Besides who cares if before you'd have to wait to achieve something, it was something that isk/money couldn't buy(besides being subscribed to the game), no instant-gratification, patience and thinking your skillplan through and through was the deal of the day. It 'meant' something when you finally were able to fly and use that battlecruiser to optimal performance after all those weeks of waiting and waiting. yuk, i hate waiting for things !
The only option to achieve the 'here and now moment' was the Character Bazaar. There i got stuck with some pilot who'd had most of the skills maxed the way i like but alot of other skills i wouldn't need. That's not what i wanted and i surely don't want to pay 2 plex just for the transaction to get some dude or dudette with a goofy name. No sir, thank you.
Lucky for us that time is gone, you can now fly what you want, trade a gazillion orders a day with the lowest taxes, scan the universe with ease and produce the finest modules and ships. All that in a couple of hours work and a few clicks with your internetbanking service. yeh
I can't wait for F2P/Premium EVE and Golden Ammo to arive at New Eden and those who have Premium will receive awesome free hats for their characters to wear...
Have faith and don't worry about the injectors, they are truly a blessing and an omen of more lovely things to come.
You got it..I want it
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1951
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Posted - 2016.02.28 07:52:14 -
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koenkoard wrote:1. Skill injectors 2. No drones on carriers
Just 2 examples (among a lot) of the 2 main policies that CCP has/will always follow. ItGÇÖs their trademark so to speak:
1. To plain and simple strip money out of players (300mil extractors lol) This actually has more to do with relative PLEX pricing, which is entirely driven by the PLEX market. If the price of injectors is at a certain level it'e because PLEX prices are holding it there 2. To systematically make it harder and harder for players to make Isk on their own in a half decent way (so they can enforce #1 easier) The fun thing there is that if those pilots are actually a significant part of the isk earning and PLEX using community, nerfing them actually would help lower those extractor prices you're complaining about.
So in short: ripGÇÖem off and cripple them so they canGÇÖt earn. CCPGÇÖs signature modus operandi.
Say what you want but we all know itGÇÖs true. Some point about the accusation above edited in. It's also worth noting that nerfing player's capacity to buy injectors and PLEX with in game means devalues them both from the standpoint of those spending real money and I'm willing to bet CCP already figured that out. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4801
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Posted - 2016.02.28 09:52:28 -
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Just a interesting twist to this all... CCP made 20 millon $ in profit last year, despite slightly diminshing income. That may be related with the need to cover for 2014's loss after derecognizing WoD, but also points that not investing on other large-ish projects than EVE renders CCP a nice profit. Valkyrie and Gunjack are by all measures small fish, specially Gunjack. DUST 514 was allegedly self-sustainable. So, focusing on EVE = money to spare = profits.
The part in which we're being double-billed for skillpoints as CCP expands its business into VR and plans to give a second try to FPS it's a tad harder to understand now. What are we paying for, exactly? More EVE? More games? More ~Vision~?
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Major Xadi
Mercenary Logistics Ltd.
53
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Posted - 2016.02.28 11:20:16 -
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Darth Biznaga wrote:They might as well make you earn active SP for doing stuff ( mining/killing etc ). I'd also like special uber modified implants that'll give me like +10 attributes or those Cerebral accelators thingys i can then buy for money/plex/aurum/isk. Learningboosters perhaps? Besides who cares if before you'd have to wait to achieve something, it was something that isk/money couldn't buy(besides being subscribed to the game), no instant-gratification, patience and thinking your skillplan through and through was the deal of the day. It 'meant' something when you finally were able to fly and use that battlecruiser to optimal performance after all those weeks of waiting and waiting. yuk, i hate waiting for things ! The only option to achieve the 'here and now moment' was the Character Bazaar. There i got stuck with some pilot who'd had most of the skills maxed the way i like but alot of other skills i wouldn't need. That's not what i wanted and i surely don't want to pay 2 plex just for the transaction to get some dude or dudette with a goofy name. No sir, thank you. Lucky for us that time is gone, you can now fly what you want, trade a gazillion orders a day with the lowest taxes, scan the universe with ease and produce the finest modules and ships. All that in a couple of hours work and a few clicks with your internetbanking service. yeh I can't wait for F2P/Premium EVE and Golden Ammo to arive at New Eden and those who have Premium will receive awesome free hats for their characters to wear... Have faith and don't worry about the injectors, they are truly a blessing and an omen of more lovely things to come.
The next step then would be to do away with the skill plan altogether and just let people buy premade toons. After all, It's practically what you can do now anyway. Nope, Nope, Nope. The toon won't mean anything to the player.
"Trade a gazillion orders a day with the lowest taxes" .... yeah, why bother to have trade skills at all then.
" yuk, i hate waiting for things !" This is the problem. As another player posted on here, new players will buy skill injectors and get maxed skills for certain things and then go out and welp ships. Many will become frustrated and quit because no patience and they will be disappointed they couldn't buy "I win".
I've been playing nearly 3 years, am still learning to pvp, and don't care about waiting to fly stuff I want. I'm enjoying the journey.
edit: oh, and I've been pvp'ing almost since completing the career agents. It's a mindset. |
Shelick
Purged Society
32
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Posted - 2016.02.28 11:40:49 -
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Sadly the OP is completely right...
As an eve vet i can confirm most of those points. Sadly CCP won't listen, and most players will move on to other games (a lot have already, look at eve-offline.net ...)
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Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.02.28 13:30:53 -
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Shelick wrote:Sadly the OP is completely right...
As an eve vet i can confirm most of those points. Sadly CCP won't listen, and most players will move on to other games (a lot have already, look at eve-offline.net ...)
I don't look at eve-offline.net, but if what you are saying is a true picture of what is happening then I'd be expecting the online numbers to be dropping.
Yesterday evening when I logged on they were at 35k+ the most I'd seen them for sometime.
There does appear to be a some vets not happy with the change but then the changes are better for new players imo. Before new players starting would never be able to catch-up to or perceive that they would ever catch up with players that had been playing for a very long time, now the possibility exists. How this plays out in the long-term I guess we'll have to wait and see. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
328
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Posted - 2016.02.28 14:04:15 -
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Shelick wrote:Sadly the OP is completely right...
As an eve vet i can confirm most of those points. Sadly CCP won't listen, and most players will move on to other games (a lot have already, look at eve-offline.net ...)
the only vets i see pulling their hair about this are mostly carebears.
Just Add Water
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Lugh Crow-Slave
1621
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Posted - 2016.02.28 14:25:37 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Demolishar wrote:Almost 3000 words. A pity that your great work will be locked for ranting soon. I don't really think this is a rant to be honest, and many of these points were discussed internally before the feature went live, or was fully fleshed out. I've also been with EVE for 13 years, ironically my first reaction to skillpoint trading was negative too, but it was a knee-jerk reaction from a 13 year veteran of the game who thought a change so fundamental would destroy everything he loved about EVE. I'm happy to say that I was wrong, and after I looked at the situation from what I consider to be a sensible point of view that came after my initial reaction, the rationale for it kind of fell into place and I now understand the system. There's a simple flaw with any "Pay To Win" argument against skill trading. A pilot who knows what they're doing with a Rifter and a 2 skillpoints can end the world for a clueless player with 300 million skillpoints. Put the average driver in an F1 car and they're not going to have the first idea of how to drive it, despite having a driver's license. All skillpoints do is unlock the ability to fly a given hull with a given weapon, or utilize a given module to a particular end. Using the ship and modules is where the skill lies, and is the key to victory or failure. That's what defines you as an EVE player. Being able to trade skillpoints and freely respec your character changes very little. What it does is allow people to keep their gameplay fresh and try new things, or gives new players a leg up to be able to try new things faster if they choose to do so. That's my take on it anyway, as a 13 year vet of EVE.
The problem woth this thinking is that some one who buys sp some how doest have the skill to use it.out becomes pay to when when is two equally skilled pilots one who can afford to get max SP and one who can not. This disparity is probably biggest during the first two years of a character.
Citadel worm hole tax
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Aviola von Yodalgut
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.02.28 14:52:54 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
The problem woth this thinking is that some one who buys sp some how doest have the skill to use it.out becomes pay to when when is two equally skilled pilots one who can afford to get max SP and one who can not. This disparity is probably biggest during the first two years of a character.
Too late to change it now, too many in-game transactions and too many cash transaction with CCP.
SP matters when looking at two identically skilled players, but that will be rare in EVE anyway. When people have something to lose they tend to be more cautious, so more inclined to attack something that they feel they have a good chance of beating.
In something like WoW battlegrounds where character levels are all within a limited range, stats do have a large effect on the results, in as much as skill doesn't matter so much when compared to what armour and weapons you are wearing and using.
In EVE there are no evenly matched (character levels) areas and as such the sp doesn't matter so much as most of the fights will be uneven to start with. Player skill is more important in the case of EVE although sp can and will help in solo fights. But even then most solo fights are not likely to start evenly matched. |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1951
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Posted - 2016.02.28 18:06:35 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:The problem woth this thinking is that some one who buys sp some how doest have the skill to use it.out becomes pay to when when is two equally skilled pilots one who can afford to get max SP and one who can not. This disparity is probably biggest during the first two years of a character. What happened when 2 players of differing ages but the same skill encountered each other prior, or the same age and skill but one purchased a character? Unless one goes with the assumption that SP and skill were linked before skill trading, which is anything but true, we already had the issue of similar player skill with dissimilar SP.
The dynamic may have been altered a bit but the result is the same.
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ManFinancical
Peoples Liberation Army Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2016.02.28 20:51:58 -
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Skill injector is highly addictive, all my isk is now contributing to buying skill injectors instead of my pvp activities |
Maizie Fields
Eden Ranch Injector Spa
0
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Posted - 2016.02.28 23:16:43 -
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ManFinancical wrote:Skill injector is highly addictive, all my isk is now contributing to buying skill injectors instead of my pvp activities Glad to hear it, Mr. Financial Man, keep feeding that fire
Maizie Fields,
Chief Injection Officer,
Eden Ranch Injector Spa
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2016.02.29 00:05:52 -
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Shelick wrote:Sadly the OP is completely right...
As an eve vet i can confirm most of those points. Sadly CCP won't listen, and most players will move on to other games (a lot have already, look at eve-offline.net ...)
I dunno, it looks pretty stable the last half of an year, if you look at the last 5 years
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2603
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Posted - 2016.02.29 00:40:05 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Shelick wrote:Sadly the OP is completely right... As an eve vet i can confirm most of those points. Sadly CCP won't listen, and most players will move on to other games (a lot have already, look at eve-offline.net ...) the only vets i see pulling their hair about this are mostly carebears. I am all-rounder. I PVP in heavy tackle, logi and even FC time to time. I dive into worm holes, I rat, mine, PI and station trade. Yet people sling "care bear" at me.
I am starting to dismiss people that toss that out so easily. It is like some homophobic terms, it is used as a derogatory term to say, "I am cool and they are not" Well you aren't. If you have to resort to name calling because you can't put together a coherent counter argument then you are definitely not "cool"
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
EVE is becoming shallow and childish; it will not satisfy either crowd.
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FullBoat
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2
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Posted - 2016.02.29 08:32:44 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:Shelick wrote:Sadly the OP is completely right... As an eve vet i can confirm most of those points. Sadly CCP won't listen, and most players will move on to other games (a lot have already, look at eve-offline.net ...) the only vets i see pulling their hair about this are mostly carebears. I am all-rounder. I PVP in heavy tackle, logi and even FC time to time. I dive into worm holes, I rat, mine, PI and station trade. Yet people sling "care bear" at me. I am starting to dismiss people that toss that out so easily. It is like some homophobic terms, it is used as a derogatory term to say, "I am cool and they are not" Well you aren't. If you have to resort to name calling because you can't put together a coherent counter argument then you are definitely not "cool"
What a lot of PvPers forget, or try to, is that if it wasn't for "carebears", they wouldn't have the ships to fly. I started out as one for a while. I've finally gotten a nice balance so I can really get into the PvP side. I've had my missile/gun/drone skills pretty much maxed for a while. It's always a surprise to people that go after you, and your drones take them out. I'm just now getting into PI to supplement my PvP, but I'll keep my BPO's just in case. |
Shelick
Purged Society
33
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Posted - 2016.02.29 13:31:45 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Shelick wrote:Sadly the OP is completely right...
As an eve vet i can confirm most of those points. Sadly CCP won't listen, and most players will move on to other games (a lot have already, look at eve-offline.net ...)
the only vets i see pulling their hair about this are mostly carebears.
You must be pretty blind then. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
314
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Posted - 2016.02.29 14:12:08 -
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Fa Xian wrote:Reiisha wrote:The skill system in EVE forces the player to learn some core lessons about the game, how it works and how it wants you to think.
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With skill extractors and injectors, these lessons are completely thrown out of the window. Choice, patience and planning do not matter anymore. Skills do not teach players the game. Flying a ship teaches players the game. Playing. Undocking. Trying to get at some task. That's what teaches. Injecting skills means learning the same lessons in a more expensive way. Skills don't play the game. Players do.
while I do agree that skills don't make the pilot good, even people that train up to a ship and take months getting there can still be just as clueless, this just makes it worse and I can bet you that CCP knew that with the plex system pilots were willing to buy plex to get their dream ships, they would dump thousands of buying up injectors to fly said dream ship and fuel more ccp failures.
I also wonder about all of those dust514 guys that bought aurum to get special equipment to see their world they sent money in ending. CCP to dustbunnies "gotcha!"
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
328
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Posted - 2016.02.29 15:16:45 -
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FullBoat wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:Shelick wrote:Sadly the OP is completely right... As an eve vet i can confirm most of those points. Sadly CCP won't listen, and most players will move on to other games (a lot have already, look at eve-offline.net ...) the only vets i see pulling their hair about this are mostly carebears. I am all-rounder. I PVP in heavy tackle, logi and even FC time to time. I dive into worm holes, I rat, mine, PI and station trade. Yet people sling "care bear" at me. I am starting to dismiss people that toss that out so easily. It is like some homophobic terms, it is used as a derogatory term to say, "I am cool and they are not" Well you aren't. If you have to resort to name calling because you can't put together a coherent counter argument then you are definitely not "cool" What a lot of PvPers forget, or try to, is that if it wasn't for "carebears", they wouldn't have the ships to fly. I started out as one for a while. I've finally gotten a nice balance so I can really get into the PvP side. I've had my missile/gun/drone skills pretty much maxed for a while. It's always a surprise to people that go after you, and your drones take them out. I'm just now getting into PI to supplement my PvP, but I'll keep my BPO's just in case.
for a vet it seems you don't know what a carebear means, or maybe we have a different definition of what a carebear is, whatever.
anyway, i do alot of industrial stuff too. i do PI, datacore farming, research, manufacture and sell.
same with pvp, people suddenly having much more SP than me will be minimal significance and impact to me.
Just Add Water
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2607
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Posted - 2016.03.02 16:57:58 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:for a vet it seems you don't know what a carebear means, or maybe we have a different definition of what a carebear is, whatever.
anyway, i do alot of industrial stuff too. i do PI, datacore farming, research, manufacture and sell. With perfect skills?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
EVE is becoming shallow and childish; it will not satisfy either crowd.
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Mithandra
Catastrophic Operations Get Off My Lawn
475
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Posted - 2016.03.02 19:50:00 -
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As "yet another" 13 year veteran of eve, I must say that the skill point injectors and the people using them have had zero impact on my game, and that's all that's important to me.
You can post your rants for and against, but its like labour and conservative. Both sides feel they have the right of it, and neither side are able to change their viewpoints.
I use the yard stick of "how will it affect my gameplay". A bit egocentric I know, but hey
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2607
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Posted - 2016.03.03 02:47:49 -
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Mithandra wrote:I use the yard stick of "how will it affect my gameplay". A bit egocentric I know, but hey ... by looking at it from the right perspective.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
EVE is becoming shallow and childish; it will not satisfy either crowd.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2321
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Posted - 2016.03.03 06:48:44 -
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This comes all down to word games it seams.
There is NO game where you can buy player skill, you can always just purchase an advantage.
Purchasing player skill is obviously not possible, but I am almost certain now that if it could be sold CCP would make a plan right now to market it in the New Eden store.
So there is either no pay2win game at all, because you all take the term just literally and don't realize what it really means. Or you understand what people mean with the word (congratulations, you are now actually able to talk about it!) and realize that EVE fits the definition of the word and is even one of the worst games out there when it comes to purchasing advantages for money.
What SP trading actually did: It took one of the best things EVE had, a grind free character progression system and mutated it into a slow ticking paywall like it is used in every other pay2win games. That is just horrible, I hate it that they have done this to this game.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
336
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Posted - 2016.03.03 07:46:45 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:for a vet it seems you don't know what a carebear means, or maybe we have a different definition of what a carebear is, whatever.
anyway, i do alot of industrial stuff too. i do PI, datacore farming, research, manufacture and sell. With perfect skills?
does it need to be?
except for the skills that are preqrequisites to another skill like laboratory operation to adv. lab. operations, all are at level 4.
i admit im lazy updating my factories for both PI and manufacuring but still can earn around 1 to 1.2B per week between 2 characters especially now that PI prices are high.
i didn't collect my datacores for a couple of weeks now either, 5x2 R&D agents (1 crossing lowsec) is kinda tedious and i dont have the will to do that again yet.
Just Add Water
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Geronimo McVain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.03.03 08:04:16 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:This comes all down to word games it seams.
There is NO game where you can buy player skill, you can always just purchase an advantage.
Purchasing player skill is obviously not possible, but I am almost certain now that if it could be sold CCP would make a plan right now to market it in the New Eden store.
What SP trading actually did: It took one of the best things EVE had, a grind free character progression system and mutated it into a slow ticking paywall like it is used in every other pay2win games. That is just horrible, I hate it that they have done this to this game.
If CCP is so greedy why didn't they sell SPs instead of skill extractors? They can create them out of thin air for the price of a few additional bytes to store. Wich the actual mechanic they have to hope that players buy and use them.
Old chars have maxed out all the important!!! skills so even if you fully max out a char some obscure science skill will not help you in a firefight. In other games you max out the one and only important thing: combat efficiency for your class! Eve is much more diverse then other games so maxing out in one area will not give you any boost in another. Maxing out autocannons will do **** if you are in a missle boat. So you are either competent enough to pinpoint the important support skills for your playing style then you will relatively easy max them out and no amount of money will make any difference from there on. Or is someone selling Gunnery VI? Before there was no way for noobs to catch up to, but not overshot, the vets: There is one now! But you can't get any skill higher then V.
Last point: Who is selling SP when they are so precious and why? Everybody is whinning about the buyers but without someone to sell SP for ISK, which you can make easy enough ingame, there wouldn't be any SI trade.
Third: old chars should sit on an ISK heap bigger then Smaugs so why don't you buy SIs from your saved up ISK, earned ingame, if you really want them and you think you need them to stay competitive?
In the end I really would like to see a statistic how many SIs are used to booster alts or respec old chars. May guess would be that most SIs will be used this way to instabuild a hauler/PI/industy alt.
The ones who are really busted are noobs like me which simply don't have the overall SP to max out anything and will have to wait for it. But the whining comes from vets with 200 maxed out ships that can't fly ship 201 perfectly. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2323
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Posted - 2016.03.03 08:16:49 -
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Geronimo McVain wrote:rabble Is there a point in quoting my post if you are not addressing it at all and bring up something entirely different like that will invalidate anything I actually wrote?
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2016.03.03 09:05:20 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:
So there is either no pay2win game at all, because you all take the term just literally and don't realize what it really means. Or you understand what people mean with the word (congratulations, you are now actually able to talk about it!) and realize that EVE fits the definition of the word and is even one of the worst games out there when it comes to purchasing advantages for money.
This has been discussed so many times, i is not even funny anymore. There are two definitions running around. 1) pay2win is paying for an advantage. 2) pay2win is paying for an advantage you could not get without paying. People of the two groups will never agree upon if EVE is pay2win for obvious reasons. Claiming that people who use definition 2, has not understood what definition 1 means, is just nonsensical. You have not understood, that they understand your definition, but they don't accept your definition.
As such this kind of discussion is futile. I do not understand your attitude towards people with another opinion though. I would be carefull with writing like you do, when your own understanding of what they mean is wrong.
Ima Wreckyou wrote: What SP trading actually did: It took one of the best things EVE had, a grind free character progression system and mutated it into a slow ticking paywall like it is used in every other pay2win games. That is just horrible, I hate it that they have done this to this game.
Any chinese free2play or zynga game disagree with you, as they are true pay2win for both definiton 1 and 2. EVE is only pay2win when using definition 1. So this model is not the most horrible. The arguments why this SP trading advantage is not really relevant on tranquility have been mentioned too many times to repeat. Don't forget also they SP injectors are very easily obtainable by in game isk grinding. So your assumption that this advantage is only for those who pay RL money is wrong.
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2016.03.03 09:49:58 -
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Sero Hita, there's not really any significant difference between your two definitions of pay2win. Care to explain why pay4advantage is alright but it's not ok if the advantage is only attainable with RL cash?
As you've said before there's many things that make up the outcome of a fight, what difference does it make where exactly the advantage comes from, the point is that all you need to do to get it is pay money. That knowledge spoils the experience for a lot of people.
Imagine climbing a mountain, enjoying the view as you go and improving your skills as a climber. You've been climbing for days and you're just reaching the top when a helicopter full of rich teenagers lands beside you. The door opens and out spills a bunch of people who have no right being on this mountain top, they don't know anything about climbing and because they didn't work for it the view from the top is "meh". They snap a picture and get back in their helicopter to fly to the next cool place leaving you sat there. Would you not be annoyed that you've put in all this time and work, and people can accomplish the same in a second if they have the cash?
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Geronimo McVain
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.03.03 10:22:09 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote: Imagine climbing a mountain, enjoying the view as you go and improving your skills as a climber. You've been climbing for days and you're just reaching the top when a helicopter full of rich teenagers lands beside you. The door opens and out spills a bunch of people who have no right being on this mountain top, they don't know anything about climbing and because they didn't work for it the view from the top is "meh". They snap a picture and get back in their helicopter to fly to the next cool place leaving you sat there. Would you not be annoyed that you've put in all this time and work, and people can accomplish the same in a second if they have the cash?
What do you want: the fun of climbing the mountain and the knowledge that you bested it or just the view from the top? Nobody can buy the fun of climbing and your skill so in the end it's the way how you look at it: are you in for the fun or for the view?
Doing it the "hard" way earns you more then just SPs. What are you more proud of: to achieve something that you have to struggle for or something that gets handed to you? Most players that build their chars with SI will leave soon, because the get the victory handed so it's not really something to be proud of and the game is boring if you get everything without effort.
In the end everybody has to ask himself whats the fun in EVE: the way or the goal.
Even bevor the SI anyone could buy plex, a leveled char and a capital. Is there any difference between char bought with real money and a build one with real money?
That's exactly the reason why I wouldn't buy an SI for my main even if it would give me a huge boost. Maybe later for an alt to easily give him some useful skills quickly but even that I would do with ISK earned ingame |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.03.03 10:43:46 -
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Geronimo McVain wrote:What do you want: the fun of climbing the mountain and the knowledge that you bested it or just the view from the top? Nobody can buy the fun of climbing and your skill so in the end it's the way how you look at it: are you in for the fun or for the view?
I want the whole experience, not just any one part of it. It used to be impossible to get the view without the effort and achievement, now the two have been separated. It makes you feel like a chump for climbing the mountain with your hands and legs when you know if you had more money you could get yourself flown around experiencing not only the view from that mountain but any others that take your fancy. The char bazaar had loads of negatives attached which has already been discussed and because of these negatives it wasn't that well used. So in a way SP buying has existed all along but nowhere near as prominently as now.
I completely agree that new players or even old players making regular use of SP injectors are going to get bored fast and leave. Mountain tops are cool and all but the view doesn't change once you get there, and there's other things you could spend your time doing.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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