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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.02.12 23:01:51 -
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We are the content here, wealth is nothing more than a means to an end.
start playing the game rather than fiddling with the utilities .
Better the Devil you know.
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
new order logistics CODE.
373
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Posted - 2016.02.13 00:24:16 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Thing is this. You enjoy the tears of others (i'll bet that never gets old). You can always get this.
Folks like me like exploring, defeating NPCs while dodging real players. That used to be a whole lot of fun and you had something tangible (isk, loot, whatever) that could affect your gameplay later. Now the loot is worth next to nothing and acquiring it means nothing. So much so that there are even less people trying to hunt you down (because their motivations was both your killmail AND profit). What I like to do has taken a real hit lately, and the things I like to do on the side (fleet pvp in null) took an Aegis sized hit months ago.
I still have entertaining things to do and are thinking of other things (who knows, with all these billions I might buy some form of citadel), but it's like CCP is just throwing stuff up against the wall and seeing what sticks.
I understand you very well, friend. I joined EVE and stayed in it because it was advertised as a game where you can affect the gameplay of others and your actions have consequences.
The fundamental problem that EVE's game designers are facing is that people are naturally risk-averse. Mind you, I'm not meaning something bad here - people are literally programmed by nature to hedge their risks. There is a handful of all-or-nothing adrenaline junkies, but they are not that common for objective reasons. Hence, most people (even if they don't admit it openly) are actually quite happy with finding their niche for safe, undisturbed farming, be it in highsec or the depest recesses of Deklein, and occasionally going out to PvP to the local iteration of Tol Barad. Any change that might hurt some particular ratters always faces the wall of tears: players write long petitions, tear hair from their balls, swear that they will quit en masse for ever and ever and ever. Hence, the game designers seem to be reluctant to implement changes that would make income-making more risky in any region. Yet, this lack of risk is the main reason for the current stagnation, and no sov changes will cure that.
No change to the economic balance in the game will be liked by everyone. But CCP does listen to its playerbase, and it is their blessing and their curse.
Again, this is happening everywhere. I would only welcome it if the devs introduced mechanics that would make us gankers' life harder, but more interesting (a well-implemented rework of the dead bounty system, for instance). Instead, they rely on crutches which keep the same old routines, but require us to bring more people, and further encourage laziness and AFK gameplay at the same time. The spirits in the crew have been rather low for the past couple of days - I believe, you know why. And it's not the nerf that really hurt - it's no news for us - but the way Fozzie introduced it: "Well, folks, here's a lollipop for you, but in exchange we'll **** you in the ***, *** on your face and **** in your mouth" - all the while, breaking the promises he gave previously. Trust me, I'm not exaggerating.
I'm telling you that because right now I'm a position that resembles OP's one: I'm stuck in a foreign country, which is under heavy economic sanctions, my credit card bound to the EVE accounts is expiring next month and I can't renew it remotely, the Internet connection is crap. I could stay and help my buddies to try and keep the fire alive, or I could conquer the world in Crusader Kings II, brush up my Arabic or completely focus on my work. But if I unsub, I won't be slamming doors and, probably, won't even tell anyone who knows me. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Northern Army
981
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Posted - 2016.02.13 01:45:12 -
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Go play another game for six months, come back and see if it sticks.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Aiwha for CSM XI
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9848
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Posted - 2016.02.13 03:37:39 -
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Quote:I've lost all desire to play Eve, what do I do? Let your subs run out and spend your remaining time starting stealth whine threads about the new extractor/injector system.
Oh wait...looks like you already have that covered.
Carry on.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Nitshe Razvedka
State War Academy Caldari State
461
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Posted - 2016.02.13 03:44:28 -
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Maradusa Macarthy wrote:Sigh, this game is soo dead to me now that I no longer have the desire to update any of my market orders anymore or do any more exploration since isk has become so cheap and easy to acquire now from selling unwanted SP. Other than PVP, is there really any point to playing this game now??
Ma mama says only boring people become bored.
Thieving pirates discuss INTEGRITY; Anarchist gankers give us LAWS; and Whoring merc's cry then blow off clients with INSULTS.
Up is down and down is up in the C&P Forum.
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Maradusa Macarthy
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2016.02.13 05:36:36 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Maradusa Macarthy wrote:Aida Nu wrote:If you play for ISK you are doing it wrong. This is a game, play for fun. If you are bored and dont have fun move on to other games. Excellent point, but CCP just killed a very important element in this game that contributed to me having fun in this game which was seeking the wealth in uncharted territories. And now all you have to do is sell your own SP for isk which is just plain stupid to begin with and sigh.... why did CCP ever do such a thing to this game. Anyways I'm gonna take a break like Chribba suggested and if I still feel the same way 2 months from now then I know this is the end of Eve for me. I know how you feel though I'm not quiting because I have many friends that play. Skill point trading didn't start the problem, it's actually been going on for years. Before 2009 it wasn't like that. Then CCP (in a quest to 'reward' people more) added regenerating anomalies, incursions, wormholes, burners, new rewards in old content (like when they introduced the Gistum and Pithum Invuls), the monstrosity called Faction Warfare missions and super buffed ways to make pve, exploration and mining isk with more ships, more bonuses and more shortcuts. The end result is everything is cheap as all hell, wealth is so easy to generate that even before sp trading a 3 week old noob with a Vexor Navy Issue and tech1 heavy drones could go to the deepest part of null and make enough isk ratting ONE HOUR A DAY to buy a plex, and not long after that same guy is in a pirate BS doing high sec incursions. CCP has totally muffed the rewards scheme of this game, and people who play for more than watching other people's ships explode are affected by this. It used to be a real thrill to get a 10/10 escalation while dodging people trying to scan me down and kill me. Now (even before this ridiculous SP trading) I get a 10/10 and there is a 50% chance I'm going to let it expire because I can't be arsed to jump my Sin to a cyno to do it. And now with SP trading it's even worse. I got an Angel 10/10 holding right now. Do I do it and maybe make 500 mil (a sum that used to be useful) for an hour's play, or cash in the 75 bil I'm sitting on from an Alt I don't use that much? Doing that 10/10 now would feel like bobbing for Zimbabwe dollars. Exactly my point.
My brother who doesn't even play this game anymore gave me all his chars so now I'm finding it incredibly difficult resisting the temptation to drain the hell out of his characters for a whopping 100+bill isk. In contrast to making a measly 100-200 mill isk running a 6/10 or 8/10, that is a huge motivation killer. So it's like what's the point of playing the game anymore if isk is so easy to obtain just selling SP. How could CCP not realize the diminishing value this SP trading feature would have on the game down the road. It's like they've completely lost focus on what to do for Eve.
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Maradusa Macarthy
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2016.02.13 05:38:42 -
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Sneaky Little Bastard wrote:Maradusa Macarthy wrote: is there really any point to playing this game now?? It depends, do you like P2W games ? I hate them actually. I never imagined that Eve would become like this.
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Sneaky Little Bastard
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.02.13 07:43:55 -
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Maradusa Macarthy wrote:Sneaky Little Bastard wrote:Maradusa Macarthy wrote: is there really any point to playing this game now?? It depends, do you like P2W games ? I hate them actually. I never imagined that Eve would become like this.
So it's time to move on. My sub ends in one month too...
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Luca Lure
Obertura
58
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Posted - 2016.02.13 08:44:07 -
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Sneaky Little Bastard wrote:Maradusa Macarthy wrote:Sneaky Little Bastard wrote:Maradusa Macarthy wrote: is there really any point to playing this game now?? It depends, do you like P2W games ? I hate them actually. I never imagined that Eve would become like this. So it's time to move on. My sub ends in one month too...
Can i haz your stuff and SP?
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The essence of the independent mind lies not in what it thinks, but in how it thinks.
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Bella Jennie
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2016.02.13 11:11:19 -
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Aida Nu wrote:If you play for ISK you are doing it wrong. This is a game, play for fun. If you are bored and dont have fun move on to other games.
Since the game is a sandbox and you can "do whatever you want to go", how is any kind of play wrong?
I have fun playing for ISK in HISEC for a couple hours now and again.. what's wrong with that?
this game currently favors the DOUCHEBAGS
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Sofiae
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance
0
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Posted - 2016.02.13 11:58:33 -
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My take on this is the opposite to OP.
I never could find a reason to make more ISK, but now there is a brilliant reason to do so: you can "level up".
Sof |
Bruce Kemp
Rancer Customs Control Group
138
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Posted - 2016.02.13 17:23:57 -
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Come and visit Rancer.
-áIf people played EVE as much as they posted rubbish on these forums, they might enjoy the game.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
303
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Posted - 2016.02.13 17:31:22 -
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Sofiae wrote:My take on this is the opposite to OP.
I never could find a reason to make more ISK, but now there is a brilliant reason to do so: you can "level up".
Sof
Good point.
Isk to buy PLEX to sub, never interested me.
But isk for sp injectors, now that's worth doing. |
Divine Entervention
Hunters Elite Krab Republic
815
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Posted - 2016.02.13 17:43:36 -
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Define your own objective?
Make a goal?
Dedicate your time and effort to teaching and supporting newer players?
Conquer the galaxy?
You seem like a smart guy (lol I'm just kidding), I'm certain you can figure out for yourself what would be the best course of action. |
Maradusa Macarthy
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2016.02.14 00:38:30 -
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Sneaky Little Bastard wrote:Maradusa Macarthy wrote:Sneaky Little Bastard wrote:Maradusa Macarthy wrote: is there really any point to playing this game now?? It depends, do you like P2W games ? I hate them actually. I never imagined that Eve would become like this. So it's time to move on. My sub ends in one month too... I think you're right. Afterall no since in waiting on a a sinking ship to sink.
I'm Done, biomassing now!
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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem
503
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Posted - 2016.02.14 00:47:02 -
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Nick Bete wrote:Oh my, yet another in a long line of "they're dumbing down the game and making it so much easier than back when I started when I had to walk to school in the snow uphill both ways" anti-SP trading threads...
Was it windy? I remember there always being wind.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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