Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 30 40 50 60 70 .. 74 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 8 post(s) |
Hamish McRothimay
Norse Complex Inc
47
|
Posted - 2016.02.08 19:58:03 -
[1981] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:Hamish McRothimay wrote:DEAR CCP, RANT :: 999 each......not 900.....but 999..... FFS... $5 Aurum packet has 900 aurum.... Can I get an extractor for that ... HELL NO
if I buy the $10 packet it has F**K***G 1950 AURUM... I get ONE F**K**G extractor with 951 left over WHAT THE F**K CAN I BUY WITH 951 Aurum
Its like shopping at F***%$#g wallmart - 12 hotdog buns and 8 Franks please.
A sensible change would be: $5 = 1000 aur $10 = 2050 aur $20 = 4100 aur etc. And change the extractors to 1000 aur. Why should they do this? Because they'll save a whole lot of headache and negative publicity by having round numbers and not employing sleazy sales techniques. Because the 999 aur trick is not necessary with things as desirable as skill extractors. Hey already changed it 1000 Aurum & the Aurum packs have bonus 100 for this months |
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
629
|
Posted - 2016.02.08 20:06:15 -
[1982] - Quote
Well, on the plus side, since the price of extractors has been announced, there now isn't much reason for anyone to rage and unsub.
Since the price of injectors makes them a suboptimal choice, in terms of SP per ISK or per PLEX, most players should just continue doing things the old way - ie. train your main with the queue, use the toon bazaar to buy already-trained toons, and use MCT to create new alts from scratch. Even for the big alliances, this will still make the most sense, esp. over the long haul.
I expect that we'll see some initial use of extractors by players who still have free Aurum lying around, to move or sell SP which is currently wasted in unused skills (or skills which got nerfed by CCP) on mains and alts, but that should be over and done fairly quickly. And, some space-rich folks will probably buy and use injectors, even at 150K SP per injector, since they have nothing else on which to spend their billions and trillions of ISK. And, maybe a very, very few players who have RL cash buring holes in their pockets, and nothing better on which to spend their money, may be silly enough to use the injectors to attempt to "catch up" to older players.
Beyond that limited use, though, I now think that players can relax and simply choose to ignore the whole thing. I don't think we are going to see much P2W activity here. |
Captain Campion
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
5
|
Posted - 2016.02.08 20:30:48 -
[1983] - Quote
FYI the 6x and 12x packs of PLEX don't make financial sense in GBP, it's cheaper to buy multiples of 2x
As a consequence, the "you save x" is basically a lie. |
Memphis Baas
1082
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 01:07:27 -
[1984] - Quote
You save X compared to the single, and advertising like that is common everywhere, even on TP rolls, where you always save more or get twice the sheets or whatever.
For US currency, buying 3 x 2-pack PLEX costs exactly the same as buying a 6-pack, and all the large packs are exact multiples of the 2-pack. You just click less, and your bank / cc / financial institution doesn't trigger a security lockdown for "too many purchases per second."
Do you guys get taxed more for costly items than for cheap items? Extra tax / VAT would explain what you're seeing. |
Tamara Jade
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 02:21:50 -
[1985] - Quote
I can already see this happening, noob starts game and subs account. Buys some PLEX to purchase a few injectors from the market. This will make the noob feel invincible and go do stupid stuff (which is fine with me, easy kills), or they try running a harder mission now that they think they can fly a battleship properly. They will fail, lose a ton of isk, get frustrated with EVE, and quit. It might attract new players, with the idea of catching up, but there is no way they can catch up in game-time experience or learning game mechanics. Unless they are with a good corp that can show them the ropes. Just because you can sit in a ship, doesn't mean you know how to fly or fit it.
By no means is this pay to win. It's just pay to have SP.
My opinion on the SP trading is, it's a short term solution to a long term problem. I see these being a hot item in the very beginning, but they will fade. The rich will control the market on them after a few months when the volume slows down. By mid summer PLEX will be close to 2 bil. |
Zozoll Neblyn
Ziggurat Forge
24
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 02:57:01 -
[1986] - Quote
Nuclear Nut Zack wrote:I really hope CCP notices all the outrage about the pricing and fixes it before release or there will be trouble down the road. These prices hurt everyone. They hurt buyers who have to foot the bill, sellers who won't be able to get a decent price for their SP due to lack of demand, CCP who won't sell nearly as many extractors, and the people who say the mechanic shouldn't exist because it still will. If these prices don't change I predict an initial surge of people trying to sell useless SP and others buying it. But it won't take long for the buyers to run low and force the price down till the SP itself is only valued at 15-25% of what it cost to train. That will screw over the sellers, which will obviously make them unhappy, while still keeping the total price far above what the SP costs to train, significantly limiting buyers and making them unhappy too. Even worse, once the extractors have been launched with a certain price it can't really be lowered without offending everyone who bought any up to that point.
I propose changing the pricing to 120 individually, 450 for 4, 900 for 9, and 3500 for 35 or 36. That would eliminate most of the rage over the price as well as the rage over the "hotdog bun" mismatch. It would allow buyers to pay a reasonable price for injectors while sellers get a reasonable value for their SP and CCP get more revenue after the initial surge because people would actually continue to use the feature. It would also help keep players happy because they won't be seeing a 50-75% tax every time they look at injector prices. The only losers in that situation are the people who don't want the feature to exist.
TL;DR: CCP please reconsider the pricing and change it to about 100 per extractor in packages that align with Aurum packages. And please do it before launch lest people get screwed over and hate you.
The price is just great for a noob who wants to fly a mining barge the same week he/she starts. Most of the carebear professions only require a few injectors to get into.
When I started, the idea that I'd have to wait a whole week in order to get "manufacturing efficiency" to V seemed outrageous, because I knew I had no hope of manufacturing at a profit without it, and the game was still new and exciting enough that I didn't know what to do with myself while I waited.
Now, 20 m SP later (or actually I haven't looked in a while, it might be 30 m). I don't mind waiting months for a new skill.
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Zozoll Neblyn wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Good thing it will not look like a extremely overpriced f2p paywall in a subscription now. Now it will look like an extremely insane overprised f2p paywall in a subscription game. Good job! The result would be that the game doesn't get unbalanced by it. Nobody who isn't super rich is going to be willing to buy enough injectors to "win". Maybe get a few weeks ahead without waiting. But it's not a situation where, if you don't pay, you lose. Not even a situation where refusing to pay puts you at a significant disadvantage. If the price were like $50.00 for a 80 m SP character, then you'd have to pay or you might as well not bother to play. But at $1890.00 I think it's a safe bet you won't get gank swarmed by an bunch of 80m SP pay players who started last week. Not unless a Harvard Fraternity gets into Eve, or something. I never said anything about pay2win. After you got the basic skills SP just gives you more options, but not more "win". I always criticized the appearance of this feature as a ridiculous paywall to new players who are used to such things from free2play titles. So your argument is basically that the price for packets is so ridiculous that no sane new player will perceive it as a regular paywall? In this case they may just ignore it, but then you cant claim this feature has anything to do with new players. It's just some toy for old rich players. Ye Gods, I'm agreeing with a CODE member...it feels so wrong...yet it feels so right...
I've tried Pay2Win in the past. I found that, in most cases, it wasn't Pay2win. It was Pay-or-else-be-absolutely-guaranteed-to-lose. If you payed, you might still lose.
Having an insanely high price prevents that. You can refuse to pay and still win. That's really the important thing.
|
Never Enough
NPC corps suck
10
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 03:41:35 -
[1987] - Quote
Do I need to cancel and re-subscribe to get my "Free Skill Extractors with Subscription Offers", as mentioned here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/skill-trading-launch-offers-on-aur-subscriptions-and-plex/ ? |
Aphatasis
Evoke. Ev0ke
9
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 06:37:38 -
[1988] - Quote
My subscription renewed automatical on 2016-02-05 for 3 month. Please don't tell me "bad luck"... If i change all my subscriptions to a 1 year cycle and 3d later change back to 3 month ?
Plz more detailed infos about that "Free Extractors for Subscription"-thingy!! |
Shalmon Aliatus
Bluestar Enterprises The Craftsmen
7
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 07:00:43 -
[1989] - Quote
So any guesses what the market price for injectors will be ?
An extractor is 800 AUR minimum, about 300 mil ISK + the time you need for training the skillpoints.
My guess would be at least 500 mil per injector, but I am sure they will be more expensive |
Berrice Silf
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
63
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 08:18:44 -
[1990] - Quote
Shalmon Aliatus wrote:So any guesses what the market price for injectors will be ?
An extractor is 800 AUR minimum, about 300 mil ISK + the time you need for training the skillpoints.
My guess would be at least 500 mil per injector, but I am sure they will be more expensive
I don't think you will get a marginal price for them yet, need to wait out the surge to see where it will settle but keeping in mind the purpose of them i suppose anywhere between 550 to 650 anymore and the people that theyre intended for will be priced out or have deep pockets.
I will give them a thumbs up for breaking the bonds with them being entirely tied to the plex and aurum and you can just purchase the extractors directly. |
|
Tristan Agion
Viziam Amarr Empire
68
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 09:02:17 -
[1991] - Quote
Shalmon Aliatus wrote:So any guesses what the market price for injectors will be ? Sure. It's going to be (1/4+2/7+small_profit) PLEX, once the pool of "unwanted" SP is depleted and SP farms running on ISK (rather than real money) take over. So any sell price significantly below 0.54 PLEX is good for long term investment. Well, at least if you believe that PLEX prices themselves are going to hold steady or increase, which seems likely.
I doubt that there will be enough "unwanted" SP hitting the market to overcome both the "consumer" demand and the demand from people trying to stock up as investment. Other than triggering OCD or weird pride in a "lean" SP configuration, there is no real downside to keeping SP on your character. The number of people who need ISK right now, but have SP to spare, is not going to be that huge. It's more the demand side that needs ISK right now, if they try to shop for injectors. (So I expect people selling off other stuff to pay for the injector investment.) People who have spare SP, but no immediate need for ISK, will watch the market for a while, and thus witness it go up (due to a lack of the supply they would provide). We may never see prices below 0.54 PLEX...
Though if we do, I will throw what ISK I can free up at this. So will others. Hence, we may never see prices below 0.54 PLEX. |
Sizeof Void
Ninja Suicide Squadron
631
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 09:52:09 -
[1992] - Quote
Tristan Agion wrote:Hence, we may never see prices below 0.54 PLEX. It isn't likely to go much above this price, either.
SP farming will be a completely risk-free, passive activity, which most players will be able to easily do (Cybernetics 5 and the two cheapest +5 attribute plug-ins in an alt should be all you need, right?), so anytime the price rises beyond 0.54 PLEX, you can expect more people to start farming SP, thus pushing the prices back down. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33284
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 10:44:31 -
[1993] - Quote
Congratulations you guys figured out relative hard cost.
Here's the rub: PLEX will be consumed for extractors, while ISK can be won by playing. And then due to the SP penalty, the consumption to production ratio is worse than 1:1.
PLEX will look something like 2 to 2.5 Billion, .54 PLEX will be 1 B.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
|
Memphis Baas
1092
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 11:22:33 -
[1994] - Quote
Aphatasis wrote:My subscription renewed automatical on 2016-02-05 for 3 month. Please don't tell me "bad luck"... If i change all my subscriptions to a 1 year cycle and 3d later change back to 3 month ? Plz more detailed infos about that "Free Extractors for Subscription"-thingy!!
You pre-pay when you pick a subscription, so I would guess you can cancel the 3 months, and you'll still have 3 months of play, just won't bill you again. Then you can immediately pre-pay for a year, picking up 4 free extractors. Then cancel again. And then pre-pay for another year, picking up 4 more free extractors. Then cancel again. etc.
You'll just end up pre-paying (and being able to play for 3 months + several years, of course).
You can test this by canceling your 3 months right now (you'll still be able to play), and then checking account management to see if you can see the extractor deals available.
|
Nuclear Nut Zack
CK-0FF Bad Intention
3
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 11:59:01 -
[1995] - Quote
...And it went live without pricing changes. Well, time to grab some popcorn and watch the show. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33285
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 12:34:13 -
[1996] - Quote
players are fighting for lowest sell order when The Americans haven't woken up yet.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
|
Nuclear Nut Zack
CK-0FF Bad Intention
3
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 12:46:43 -
[1997] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:players are fighting for lowest sell order when The Americans haven't woken up yet. I stayed up just to unload a couple million useless SP before the market crashes. Mission accomplished. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33285
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 12:49:26 -
[1998] - Quote
I quit my job just to witness the SP apocalypse
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
|
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33288
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 12:56:43 -
[1999] - Quote
I have an alt in Jita AMA
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
|
Memphis Baas
1093
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 14:01:34 -
[2000] - Quote
Market pricing updates are being posted in a thread in General Discussion. |
|
Nuclear Nut Zack
CK-0FF Bad Intention
4
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 14:01:49 -
[2001] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:I have an alt in Jita AMA What will the injector price be in 10 minutes? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4653
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 14:42:38 -
[2002] - Quote
Nuclear Nut Zack wrote:Rain6637 wrote:I have an alt in Jita AMA What will the injector price be in 10 minutes?
Your question is being processed and your answer should be available within 11 minutes.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
|
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
220
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 17:32:59 -
[2003] - Quote
Sad day indeed.
There are some short term benefits for minor amount of players who will be able to afford these and know how to utilize it properly. I doubt that it will significantly increase revenue in the long term. Especially since i expect the number of subscriptions to go down.
Side effects will hit much harder I am afraid, lots of people feel betrayed and will question is this game worth investing their time and money when they are not provided with any consistency. When such game fundamentals can be changed, anything can. And after all CCP is company which provides us service for a fee, they should thoroughly think about customer relations and how they are handling those. It is much more than handling petitions. Beside this whole fail idea, very concerning is total lack of communication with the player base and provided feedback and it is quite disappointing that reddit is more important to them than their own game official forums. Plus, it is continuum of wrong direction, this will not fix eve in any way, quite contrary.
Beside that you have managed to fail even harder on the part of your original fail idea (protect sp prestige - which was not doable without hardcap) you have made it even more easier, with higher return for chars over 80mil sp. For ~80bil isk I can be top1 sp player. Nice way to tell Dr Caymus "thanks for your loyalty through all the years" CCP?
I predict that after first "boom" when people will get back to try it out, sell unneeded sp, buy sp to try out some ship, activity will go down since they will quit for the very same reasons they had quit in the first place. I doubt SP was the main issue there. Beside them disappointed players will quit and the numbers will shrink again.
in 1-2 year eve will have even less players and plex prices will go even higher. Anyone want to bet on it?
P.S. Maybe this is just CCP`s hidden plan to listen to vets for real and make it like 2005 again, I mean with the player numbers :D
P.P.S. I will not enter discussion with spammers/trolls/idiots from previous topic, you have failed to provide any counter arguments for the side effects in past and i really have no need to waste time on your gibberish. The change is here, CCP did not care about the feedback, future will show who was right. For the sake of game I really do hope it would be you, even though it is really hard to believe. I think the game is going in wrong direction and this is just another nail in the coffin (might be the most significant so far).
There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
|
Sissy Fuzz
Sissy Fuzz Communications
67
|
Posted - 2016.02.09 22:19:31 -
[2004] - Quote
Don ZOLA wrote:Sad day indeed.
There are some short term benefits for minor amount of players who will be able to afford these and know how to utilize it properly. I doubt that it will significantly increase revenue in the long term. Especially since i expect the number of subscriptions to go down.
Side effects will hit much harder I am afraid, lots of people feel betrayed and will question is this game worth investing their time and money when they are not provided with any consistency. When such game fundamentals can be changed, anything can. And after all CCP is company which provides us service for a fee, they should thoroughly think about customer relations and how they are handling those. It is much more than handling petitions. Beside this whole fail idea, very concerning is total lack of communication with the player base and provided feedback and it is quite disappointing that reddit is more important to them than their own game official forums. Plus, it is continuum of wrong direction, this will not fix eve in any way, quite contrary.
Beside that you have managed to fail even harder on the part of your original fail idea (protect sp prestige - which was not doable without hardcap) you have made it even more easier, with higher return for chars over 80mil sp. For ~80bil isk I can be top1 sp player. Nice way to tell Dr Caymus "thanks for your loyalty through all the years" CCP?
I predict that after first "boom" when people will get back to try it out, sell unneeded sp, buy sp to try out some ship, activity will go down since they will quit for the very same reasons they had quit in the first place. I doubt SP was the main issue there. Beside them disappointed players will quit and the numbers will shrink again.
in 1-2 year eve will have even less players and plex prices will go even higher. Anyone want to bet on it?
P.S. Maybe this is just CCP`s hidden plan to listen to vets for real and make it like 2005 again, I mean with the player numbers :D
P.P.S. I will not enter discussion with spammers/trolls/idiots from previous topic, you have failed to provide any counter arguments for the side effects in past and i really have no need to waste time on your gibberish. The change is here, CCP did not care about the feedback, future will show who was right. For the sake of game I really do hope it would be you, even though it is really hard to believe. I think the game is going in wrong direction and this is just another nail in the coffin (might be the most significant so far).
This.
This change is so arrogant! I hope CCP goes belly up. Seriously.
|
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
810
|
Posted - 2016.02.10 00:23:20 -
[2005] - Quote
Damn, I was way off, I predicted around 600 mil and was constantly told I was wrong and they would be far cheaper.
900 mil + to inject 500K SP for a player who won't be effected by diminishing returns. Who more than likely won't have 900 mil unless they buy plex. Damn marketing at CCP went all out to make as much as possible for this didn't they.. This has EA game stores smell all over it. EA marketing strategies, profit before players - Hint, I've played EA games for many years and NEVER use their scam ripoff store. Seems New Eden Store remains off limits for now too. Shame really, if the store were more reasonably priced, there is a few skins I would like and be prepared to spend money on, except Aurum packs do not work for me unless I spend $74AU for a couple (yes TWO) of skins -- - -- - -- - --
I wonder if any of the marketing people at CCP have ever heard of - Selling more at cheaper prices (especially when you have very limited overhead) will show a much larger long term profit, than selling a few at high prices to a limited customer base. Digital products can be as cheap as the producer wants them to be, seems CCP would rather have a limited, smaller market for expensive items than a large (more customers using) market with more reasonably priced items.
For Devs - The new banner ad for 2X "bonus" Aurum. What a clever little advertising trick that is Your $20 will get you an extra 450 Aurum - Which is all but useless you are buying 5 skill extractors, which seem to be priced just so - Once the "extra bonus Aurum" is removed (in a week or two) You will always need to buy more Aurum than you need. Clever marketing for a quick profit but not good for long term. It's like CCP marketing knows SP trading will be a niche thing so have set out to profit as much as possible from it initially, knowing it won't be a long term income stream.
How many more items could be sold through the store long term, if they were say, 25% cheaper? How much income would CCP lose if they were 25% cheaper yet 50% more of the player base could justify spending money in the store because "whatever" is 25% cheaper and therefore players X and Y as well as A (player with more ready cash) can afford it?
Rant Over............
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
|
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6941
|
Posted - 2016.02.10 01:45:20 -
[2006] - Quote
Did someone link the mystical "everything Vs" gooed up character (which was born just today) already?
it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players
http://eveboard.com/ranks
|
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
777
|
Posted - 2016.02.10 02:28:27 -
[2007] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Did someone link the mystical "everything Vs" gooed up character (which was born just today) already?
no but there are some of the who had injected a lot since yesterday (eveboard->most unlocated SP's) |
Natsuko Kanami
Nesto Piratski
29
|
Posted - 2016.02.10 05:11:42 -
[2008] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Natsuko can't hear you, they're playing Blade & Soul. I pop in every few days to see how the cancer is unfolding now that it's actually live, until my account expires. Honestly, going EVE -> Blade & Soul is tragic as all ****, might as well play Tetris. But I have a craving for MMOs, and nothing really approaches EVE anyway.
Unfortunately, CCPs business model is downright insane and I have no desire to keep supporting their insanity and greed, no matter how much I love the game. I keep playing it, they keep raping the very reasons I'm playing it for, all the while milking cash and laughing their ass off all the way to the bank. Screw that, it's just not worth it. The only thing the people in charge there seem to understand is revenue and loss of said revenue, so there they go. It's just -4 subscriptions on my part, but I'm sure I'm not the only one leaving over this - it'll add up. Unfortunately, the cat is out of the bag and it ain't going back in. Only time will tell the extent of their screwup.
It's unfortunate, I was pretty happy with some of the other stuff that was being done. Damage effects are cool, so are killmarks, and I was pretty excited about all the Drifter content and how stuff was going to unfold with them. Citadels seemed interesting as well. But no amount of positives can quite balance out the cancer that is this SP trading system, at least as far as I'm concerned.
You can have a subscription-based game with no pay2win microtransactions, or a free2play game with pay2win microtransactions. CCP wants both, so they can go choke on a cactus instead. |
Sgt Ocker
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
813
|
Posted - 2016.02.10 05:47:22 -
[2009] - Quote
Quote:Skill Extractors may be only activated if the client was started using the fully supported game launcher. This is to ensure two-factor authentication support for skill trading. So does this mean you can't use skill trading if you don't use 2 factor authentication? Or like the login process, 2 factor authentication is an option but not required?
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
|
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1905
|
Posted - 2016.02.10 05:56:14 -
[2010] - Quote
Sgt Ocker wrote:Quote:Skill Extractors may be only activated if the client was started using the fully supported game launcher. This is to ensure two-factor authentication support for skill trading. So does this mean you can't use skill trading if you don't use 2 factor authentication? Or like the login process, 2 factor authentication is an option but not required? You can't use extractors if you started the game from the .exe file rather than the launcher because that bypasses 2FA if I understood correctly. You don't need 2FA, just the use of the launcher. |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 30 40 50 60 70 .. 74 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |