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Swaghetti YoIonese
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.01.01 10:44:51 -
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Are there any big players controlling market in eve? just curious. |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2016.01.01 11:14:15 -
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Swaghetti YoIonese wrote:Are there any big players controlling market in eve? just curious.
only a few, we call them "money changers"
Evelyn De Rothschild is one. |
Rykker Bow
The Scope
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Posted - 2016.01.01 14:57:51 -
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I don't know that there are anymore. As I remember, there were large groups that were able to control and corner certain areas of the market and dictate prices but ccp eventually broke that up through expansions and game play changes.
On the individual level, I'd say not. At least for any substantial length of time. The market is just too big and dynamic for an individual to actually control a market over long periods of time that is essentially open 24/7.
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Darkstar01
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.01.01 16:18:43 -
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Swaghetti YoIonese wrote:Are there any big players controlling market in eve? just curious.
High end moon goo used to be controlled by a few major alliances, but not anymore.
Also I heard that a long time ago when you could earn Billions a day by selling NPC generated commodities to NPC in 0.0, the trade routes were controlled by a few groups.
Nowadays, Alliance tournament ships are being held by a small group of people. Hence the overpriced 120 Billion "Market Price". However, if you look on the forums, it takes over a month just to sell a single ship at that price. |
Ellen Sukarla
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.01 17:08:01 -
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The commodity trade routes are still open are they not? |
HeXxploiT
Big Diggers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2016.01.01 17:37:05 -
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These days it's closer to RW markets. Powerful players can still have a significant impact on certain markets but unfettered control is extremely unlikely. This is not due to CCP constraints and limitations on game mechanics thankfully but in the way that resources are distributed throughout the galaxy. In the cases where control can be exerted it's frequently to the financial detriment of the parties involved and for a limited time. |
Darkstar01
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.01.01 18:53:03 -
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Ellen Sukarla wrote:The commodity trade routes are still open are they not?
They are, but I heard it was much more lucrative a long time ago (like over 5 years ago). I wasn't around at that time so I don't know from first hand experience.
But the NPC buy orders were much bigger, they were like around 250,000 quantity. If you look at the "Market Activity" section for some 0.0 NPC corps, you can still see the last transaction for some of those commodities, with 200,000+ quantity.
Also, you use to be able to put more stuff inside a Carrier corporate hangar bay. I am thinking maybe around that time, you could also put a loaded freighter inside a Carrier corporate hangar bay - but this is just speculation. |
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
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Posted - 2016.01.02 03:28:55 -
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no |
Troy Cintryx
Strategic Operations Inc.
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Posted - 2016.01.02 10:43:26 -
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It's a little trickier now with things like EVE Central to monitor prices across the Universe, but it can be done.
One of the strategies that can be used is to find a high demand product that is hard to acquire, or takes a long time to make. You then buy all the stock you can find of it, and then resell it at x times the price. The market will eventually catch up to you, but not before you made a few billion.
Here's a simple example. Back before we had SKINs, we had unique ships like InterBus shuttles and the like. They were in relatively limited quantity. One time I noticed that supply was running short on these, so I bought all of them at around 200m each. I then relisted them for around 500m each. I made about 6 billion in about a week after all the units were resold.
Economic warfare is a legitimate thing. If you know a rival corporation buys a lot of their minerals from a certain region, buy all the minerals you can from that region and drive the price up. Conversely, if you know they sell a lot of products in a certain region, flood the market with those products.
These are just simple examples. There are many, many more ways to control and exploit markets.
Market manipulation is one of the more fun activities I participate in of all the things I do on EVE. It can be very risky, but it can also be very rewarding as well.
Plus one of the things I love, is that you will learn a lot about economics in a hurry.
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Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2016.01.02 11:17:57 -
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Controlling all markets in EVE - no.
But I know players that control some markets of EVE. Even I do hold a few, and is currently working on adding another
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.01.02 15:24:47 -
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I control the market in Bumble Faction Moustachio Wax
I am God as far as this fiefdom is concerned
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
842
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Posted - 2016.01.02 15:55:51 -
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Bumblefck wrote:I control the market in Bumble Faction Moustachio Wax
I am God as far as this fiefdom is concerned
Can confirm it is pointless trying to muscle in on the Mustachio Wax, Bumblefck has it completely locked down.
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.01.03 05:36:37 -
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there are only a few products where a single player (or group) can effectively control the market for an extensive amount of time.
there are only very few basic ressources that are required to produce the vast majority of items in the game. as long as an item is made from these things, it can not effectively be controlled by one guy. eventually, making it will become so profitable that others will
if you want to control a market, find something that is very hard to farm. |
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
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Posted - 2016.01.03 06:43:50 -
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Troy Cintryx wrote:but it can be done.
no it can't
you can have a large holding, you can use that holding to control a particular market - you can set up and control a market - you can be a big player in a particular commodity, etc
but in the sense that the question is asked - of an all-powerful universal conspiracy - the answer is no, no one controls the market
and if they claim they do, they are ripe for exploitation |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
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Posted - 2016.01.03 20:58:12 -
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Bumblefck wrote:I control the market in Bumble Faction Moustachio Wax
I am God as far as this fiefdom is concerned
and a quality product it is too. |
Raiz Nhell
Oceanic Death Squad SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2016.01.08 03:12:42 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Bumblefck wrote:I control the market in Bumble Faction Moustachio Wax
I am God as far as this fiefdom is concerned and a quality product it is too.
I can confirm that Bumbles wax will keep pod goo out of your glorious lip caterpillar...
It can also be used for plugging up those annoying gaps in your minmatar hulls...
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
674
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Posted - 2016.01.08 21:09:30 -
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Swaghetti YoIonese wrote:Are there any big players controlling market in eve? just curious.
yes |
Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.01.08 21:14:23 -
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Legend has it that Bad Bobby is single-handedly manipulating the PLEX market. |
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
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Posted - 2016.01.10 17:09:02 -
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Gilbaron wrote: if you want to control a market, find something that is very hard to farm.
^^ This ^^
Items with fixed supply (loot drops / mission rewards) can be game-able only after extensive time/capital has been put in acquiring items at or below the long term average price. A large enough inventory is required to exhaust the risk capital of competitors that believe they can influence prices on an item you are attempting to manipulate.
It is an extremely long game to pull off, but when done successfully you can fill competing traders with 10s of billions worth of inflated items as over the years the long term average price sits 5 to 10x+ higher than your entry point.
Remember that most traders do not see price history past a year . |
Buzz Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.10 22:46:44 -
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Many of those lead to high-end Titans and related equipment.
Let's face it, even with support, one can hardly get into this without expecting some repercussion and active spying / assassination attempts if not successful.
This is about to change with the new Citadels and introduction to the related or time wise related content.
There will still be Big Players or larger than Alliances coalitions where even seemingly enemy Alliances scheme together, keeping backstabbing more efficient.
I'm not sure about the new financial capital ratios involved but it may beat Titans investments.
Large scale micro is not to be left out. |
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.01.11 02:27:11 -
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Buzz Orti wrote:Many of those lead to high-end Titans and related equipment.
Let's face it, even with support, one can hardly get into this without expecting some repercussion and active spying / assassination attempts if not successful.
This is about to change with the new Citadels and introduction to the related or time wise related content.
There will still be Big Players or larger than Alliances coalitions where even seemingly enemy Alliances scheme together, keeping backstabbing more efficient.
I'm not sure about the new financial capital ratios involved but it may beat Titans investments.
Large scale micro is not to be left out.
i read that about 27 times and it still doesn't make much sense |
Alexi Stokov
State War Academy Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2016.01.11 02:52:40 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Buzz Orti wrote:Many of those lead to high-end Titans and related equipment.
Let's face it, even with support, one can hardly get into this without expecting some repercussion and active spying / assassination attempts if not successful.
This is about to change with the new Citadels and introduction to the related or time wise related content.
There will still be Big Players or larger than Alliances coalitions where even seemingly enemy Alliances scheme together, keeping backstabbing more efficient.
I'm not sure about the new financial capital ratios involved but it may beat Titans investments.
Large scale micro is not to be left out. i read that about 27 times and it still doesn't make much sense
I believe he decoded a path (possibly paths) to riches but in this write up encoded them again so that prying eyes can not profit. |
Jadecca
We're Happy In Wormhole Space
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Posted - 2016.01.11 03:31:20 -
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Buzz Orti wrote:Many of those lead to high-end Titans and related equipment.
Let's face it, even with support, one can hardly get into this without expecting some repercussion and active spying / assassination attempts if not successful.
This is about to change with the new Citadels and introduction to the related or time wise related content.
There will still be Big Players or larger than Alliances coalitions where even seemingly enemy Alliances scheme together, keeping backstabbing more efficient.
I'm not sure about the new financial capital ratios involved but it may beat Titans investments.
Large scale micro is not to be left out.
So true. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.01.11 06:30:38 -
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Gilbaron wrote:Buzz Orti wrote:Many of those lead to high-end Titans and related equipment.
Let's face it, even with support, one can hardly get into this without expecting some repercussion and active spying / assassination attempts if not successful.
This is about to change with the new Citadels and introduction to the related or time wise related content.
There will still be Big Players or larger than Alliances coalitions where even seemingly enemy Alliances scheme together, keeping backstabbing more efficient.
I'm not sure about the new financial capital ratios involved but it may beat Titans investments.
Large scale micro is not to be left out. i read that about 27 times and it still doesn't make much sense
A wise person once said, there are no stupid posts, only stupid people.
Well, Mr Garrison may actually have been talking about stupid questions, and may not have been wise, but the point stands.
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Samroski
Games Inc.
461
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Posted - 2016.01.11 08:51:15 -
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I control the Prototype Iris Probe Launcher market.
Any colour you like.
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
675
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Posted - 2016.01.11 09:22:32 -
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I control the Gallente Mining Laser market... |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2016.01.12 00:20:51 -
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Rhivre wrote:Bumblefck wrote:I control the market in Bumble Faction Moustachio Wax
I am God as far as this fiefdom is concerned Can confirm it is pointless trying to muscle in on the Mustachio Wax, Bumblefck has it completely locked down.
Now I have been trying to introduce a Mustache conditioning oil, but it just hasn't garnered much interest.
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
847
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Posted - 2016.01.12 01:12:30 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Rhivre wrote:Bumblefck wrote:I control the market in Bumble Faction Moustachio Wax
I am God as far as this fiefdom is concerned Can confirm it is pointless trying to muscle in on the Mustachio Wax, Bumblefck has it completely locked down. Now I have been trying to introduce a Mustache conditioning oil, but it just hasn't garnered much interest.
You need to get Bumblefck to promote your product.
Fluffy Bunny Pic!
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
588
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Posted - 2016.01.12 04:03:52 -
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I control whether or not MD bonds get filled. |
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