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Tulas Flint
Amarr Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.01.21 03:48:00 -
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byebye -V- thx for the great time ...
special thx to
LD (greatest FC),SERA,A-WAR,ASCI,DORM,GRET,INFOD,TYC,LFT,NOMADS,PAX,OSSI,SENUM,-DU-,.EE,RES,LSI,USO, etc. there was so many GREAT Corps and pilots which present -V- and the spirit of -V-
also thx to all our hostiles (special RED Alliance :P) and friends for the greatest and biggest fights in EVE.
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ChRy0
Extinction Level Event Masters Of Space
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Posted - 2007.01.21 11:38:00 -
[122]
I spent most of my time in and with -V-, best alliance i ever joined. Sad to see this day . Good luck to all.
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Antonius
Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.21 16:32:00 -
[123]
good luck LD and V. was good to fight with you Sig must be less than 24000 bytes - Cathath ([email protected]) |
Prof Einsten
Grettistak
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Posted - 2007.01.21 20:31:00 -
[124]
Sad time indeed, we worked with so many talented and dedicated players in V
Was a blast and most fun so far in eve.
Want to thank every one involved in this once great alliance.
Also want to thank RA for many great times, your tactics and dedication excels.
All things come to an end, and move in circles,just a question of time
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Lem2J
Black Sea Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.22 14:24:00 -
[125]
:(.. Not good.. I was at the start of -V-, sad to see it die..
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Fr3yr
Black Sea Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.22 14:45:00 -
[126]
Was a great time flying in -V- and a great honour too.
Sad to see -V- disband now indeed.
Had a great time and goods fun with you. Good luck and fly safe to all ex-V-.
----------------------------- This is Fr3yr of the Asgard.
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John Thorlake
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Posted - 2007.01.22 15:33:00 -
[127]
I was a blast flying and fighting in -V-!
Best of luck to all of ya!
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Valen L'eganas
Gallente Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.01.22 18:53:00 -
[128]
As an ex -V- Member... It is a sad time.
Allways in my heart -V-.
(allmost) NOBODY LIKED US, WE DIDN'T CARE! ---------------------- We don't care, what you say. I'mma do my thing, from day to day... We don't care, what you think. 'Cause in this world, it's Swim-or-Sink... |
Gr1mreaper
Gallente Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2007.01.22 22:36:00 -
[129]
so is V dead or has one corp left?
I just havn't been following things
VICTORY WITHOUT INTEGRITY IS LOSS
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Moridin Bashere
PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.23 03:39:00 -
[130]
Sad thing to see, it was the first alliance I flew with. Good luck too all the ex -V- members.
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Prophaniti013
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Posted - 2007.01.24 03:01:00 -
[131]
Many of you (if not all) do not remember me, but I can see multiple names in this thread which I remember flying with (and in alliance chat) while I was in PonS.
It was a good fight indeed, and major respect for all those involved.
You guys taught me everything I know about eve today, and I respect you all tremendously.
Fly safe all, and hopefully, if fate allows it, we may fight together again on the same side of the battlefield once more.
-Prophaniti013
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.24 07:26:00 -
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Edited by: Fire Hawk on 24/01/2007 07:22:33 /me salutes
Sad to hear, but hey, new path for new adventures ;)
hf&gl
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Engad Tanon
Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.01.24 07:33:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Gr1mreaper so is V dead or has one corp left?
I just havn't been following things
yeah no -V- anymore. Half at last -v- joined NCA and all others against them (NCA then)
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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.01.24 08:33:00 -
[134]
Aye, so long -V-.
/start bitter rant
I appreciate all the kind words for Veritas. But honestly, what the hell did people expect to happen when half the alliance (over half?) wouldn't turn up to ops, forcing LV to prop us up severely? .. and then 3/4 of the core corps leaving?
OMGZ I MISS YOU GUYZ LIKE CANDY!!!111eleventy.
Sweet. Perhaps more practical would have been sticking it out (since you love V so much, right?), putting in the hard yards and holding onto (at least some) of our territory?
I know, its much easier to lose horribly (whilst mining veld), then go whuggles up to the next alliance to (re)form, than put in any real effort. Only a game, aye? But real people playing it, putting in the hours to keep things nice and safe for your carebearing needs.
And yeah, LV are perhaps in dire straits now. Not because they can't PvP well, but the sheer numbers against them are staggering. It makes more sense to be a part of preventing/slowing their demise, rather than expediting it. Such is life. But, not for me.
/end bitter rant.
So long, V..
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Cosian
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.24 12:25:00 -
[135]
Salute!
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Velios
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.24 13:41:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen Aye, so long -V-.
/start bitter rant
I appreciate all the kind words for Veritas. But honestly, what the hell did people expect to happen when half the alliance (over half?) wouldn't turn up to ops, forcing LV to prop us up severely? .. and then 3/4 of the core corps leaving?
OMGZ I MISS YOU GUYZ LIKE CANDY!!!111eleventy.
Sweet. Perhaps more practical would have been sticking it out (since you love V so much, right?), putting in the hard yards and holding onto (at least some) of our territory?
I know, its much easier to lose horribly (whilst mining veld), then go whuggles up to the next alliance to (re)form, than put in any real effort. Only a game, aye? But real people playing it, putting in the hours to keep things nice and safe for your carebearing needs.
And yeah, LV are perhaps in dire straits now. Not because they can't PvP well, but the sheer numbers against them are staggering. It makes more sense to be a part of preventing/slowing their demise, rather than expediting it. Such is life. But, not for me.
/end bitter rant.
So long, V..
Well said.
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Nebuchadnezzar I
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.01.25 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen Aye, so long -V-.
/start bitter rant
I appreciate all the kind words for Veritas. But honestly, what the hell did people expect to happen when half the alliance (over half?) wouldn't turn up to ops, forcing LV to prop us up severely? .. and then 3/4 of the core corps leaving?
OMGZ I MISS YOU GUYZ LIKE CANDY!!!111eleventy.
Sweet. Perhaps more practical would have been sticking it out (since you love V so much, right?), putting in the hard yards and holding onto (at least some) of our territory?
I know, its much easier to lose horribly (whilst mining veld), then go whuggles up to the next alliance to (re)form, than put in any real effort. Only a game, aye? But real people playing it, putting in the hours to keep things nice and safe for your carebearing needs.
And yeah, LV are perhaps in dire straits now. Not because they can't PvP well, but the sheer numbers against them are staggering. It makes more sense to be a part of preventing/slowing their demise, rather than expediting it. Such is life. But, not for me.
/end bitter rant.
So long, V..
Who are you again? I never saw you in -V- Did over half of LV turn up to ops? I doubt it tbh. Did we appreciate LV assisting us, of course, the day i left -V-(rather + hour before) i responded to a LV distress call, returning 50m+ to him in Jita, just because. Does chat logs @ chowdown give one a semi bad taste maybe? - to me it shows much about the former -V- members hatred of RA + bandwagon friends that half stay on the side of LV after those chatlogs.
Did the "Coalition leadership" fail horribly? Yes. "We cant defeat Ra due to game mechanics" - the same game mechanics RA defeated us with once they got allies.
"Sticking it out" would be not giving RA a respite and instead ******* defeating them, ASCN cap ships even came to assist and yet it "wasnt possible"...
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Unbeliever Kresmoreen
Pro Valde Justicia
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Posted - 2007.01.25 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen on 25/01/2007 07:48:47
Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen What i said.
Who are you again? I never saw you in -V- Did over half of LV turn up to ops? I doubt it tbh. Did we appreciate LV assisting us, of course, the day i left -V-(rather + hour before) i responded to a LV distress call, returning 50m+ to him in Jita, just because. Does chat logs @ chowdown give one a semi bad taste maybe? - to me it shows much about the former -V- members hatred of RA + bandwagon friends that half stay on the side of LV after those chatlogs.
Did the "Coalition leadership" fail horribly? Yes. "We cant defeat Ra due to game mechanics" - the same game mechanics RA defeated us with once they got allies.
"Sticking it out" would be not giving RA a respite and instead ******* defeating them, ASCN cap ships even came to assist and yet it "wasnt possible"...
First bit is clearly a flame. I'm sorry i didn't log in at times more convenient to you . This terrible +10 gmt timezone. Made the fleets i could (whilst holding down that pesky RL job [bit of time out of the basement does me good!]), got into gangs when I could. Stayed in -V- (check corp history prior to spruking) until the end.
Sure, I saw those chatlogs too. Was ****ed. But then i thought, what -V- had been it certainly wasn't, near the end. Going got tough, and a lot got going, elsewhere. So perhaps as blunt as it was, it held some truth for a part of -V-'s history.
They didn't send half their online alliance? i dunno, on the combined TS server, it looked like a ****load of LV in ops to save our systems. But push come shove, they're allies, not nursemaids.
I agree, in c-j we squandered an opportunity. The other big fault was letting them plex their little ruski hearts out. Untold billions. Their dedication proved > than ours.
So yeah, i stand by my previous statement. Time will tell where this whole gangbang ends up.
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Burzon
PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.25 08:31:00 -
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Tbh it is a shame to see -V- end and on the other side it has been a long coming downfall. Dedication from the newer -V- corps was missing and day after day people minded their own business more and more. This finally led to the departure of the veteran -V- corps. When the end came -V- had lost its spirit. So who is to blame here ? The corps, the players, LV, -V- HC or something else. Personally i do not know, but having been Vice President of -V- for sometime i can clearly admit that there have been errors and bad decisions been made. All in all these decisions would not have been as severe if dedication would have been better. In the end -V-¦s missing dedication was the primary driver for their doom.
So long, rest in peace "old -V- spirit".
Burzon
CEO PAX Interstellar
Need salvation or paxification ? Call us !
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Kal'Kalagan
Aggressive Tendencies Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 09:46:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Burzon Tbh it is a shame to see -V- end and on the other side it has been a long coming downfall. Dedication from the newer -V- corps was missing and day after day people minded their own business more and more. This finally led to the departure of the veteran -V- corps. When the end came -V- had lost its spirit. So who is to blame here ? The corps, the players, LV, -V- HC or something else. Personally i do not know, but having been Vice President of -V- for sometime i can clearly admit that there have been errors and bad decisions been made. All in all these decisions would not have been as severe if dedication would have been better. In the end -V-¦s missing dedication was the primary driver for their doom.
So long, rest in peace "old -V- spirit".
Burzon
Ok I am sick and tired of hearing how great old -V- was and how the newer corps to -V- didn't cut it. My old corp Takahashi Syndicate and another with whom we have just merged Enigma Enterprises joined -V- in late June last 2006 just before the failed siege of C-J6 started. We were always in ops, always repsonded to CTA's, there may have been corps who did'nt attend but the people and corps that didnit numbered many from the older -V- corps!
I remember camping the pipe to F2A for the best part of a week - bored out of my skull, but still there as I was ordered to be there. -V- numbers in that op started at about 80 and dwindled to less than 20 in the end and those of us who stayed got overrun by RA at the last. We kept asking in alliance chat, "Where is everyone?..." senior and repspected -V- members replied by saying that they were not there as camping was boring! I can give you the names of the people who said that if you like ??
As as for you Burzon, your level of comitment to -V- was obvious. We all knew what was coming when Goons started to arrive in Insmother and Scalding Pass and as vice president you knew better than most I am sure, yet you still left us! How dare you criticise the commitment of the those that remained.
When LD ordered the recall from GW all corps based there were meant to come to Scalding and help with the defense. Enterprise Estonia manged to wangle their way out of that one and remained in GW to fight IMP, SERA fueled their pos's in RYC but after the first couple went down they stopped all attempts to defend them and went back to GW also. Several of the older corps disobeyed the recal and as a result we never had sufficient numbers and any chance of a dread fleet to take down the Goon Pos's was laughable. Yes Enterprise Estonia and SERA did well in GW but NPC space could have been taken just by us being there in numbers, you were meant to be in SP where you were needed! So please dont go on about the newer corps to -V- being sub-par, the older -V- corps need to look at their own choices before they judge us. Your sig is too big, maximum allowed size is 24000 bytes (400x120 pixels). - Devil ([email protected])
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Burzon
PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.25 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Kal'Kalagan
Ok I am sick and tired of hearing how great old -V- was and how the newer corps to -V- didn't cut it. My old corp Takahashi Syndicate and another with whom we have just merged Enigma Enterprises joined -V- in late June last 2006 just before the failed siege of C-J6 started. We were always in ops, always repsonded to CTA's, there may have been corps who did'nt attend but the people and corps that didnit numbered many from the older -V- corps!
I remember camping the pipe to F2A for the best part of a week - bored out of my skull, but still there as I was ordered to be there. -V- numbers in that op started at about 80 and dwindled to less than 20 in the end and those of us who stayed got overrun by RA at the last. We kept asking in alliance chat, "Where is everyone?..." senior and repspected -V- members replied by saying that they were not there as camping was boring! I can give you the names of the people who said that if you like ??
As as for you Burzon, your level of comitment to -V- was obvious. We all knew what was coming when Goons started to arrive in Insmother and Scalding Pass and as vice president you knew better than most I am sure, yet you still left us! How dare you criticise the commitment of the those that remained.
When LD ordered the recall from GW all corps based there were meant to come to Scalding and help with the defense. Enterprise Estonia manged to wangle their way out of that one and remained in GW to fight IMP, SERA fueled their pos's in RYC but after the first couple went down they stopped all attempts to defend them and went back to GW also. Several of the older corps disobeyed the recal and as a result we never had sufficient numbers and any chance of a dread fleet to take down the Goon Pos's was laughable. Yes Enterprise Estonia and SERA did well in GW but NPC space could have been taken just by us being there in numbers, you were meant to be in SP where you were needed! So please dont go on about the newer corps to -V- being sub-par, the older -V- corps need to look at their own choices before they judge us.
Calm down, i never fingerpointed on any corporations in particular. I just said that missing dedication, mainly from some of the newer corporations and in the end from the remaining veteran corporations laid the base for the falling of -V-. The veteran corporations that did put in full dedication were partly on the verge of breaking up because of too much strain received from their dedication. As for my resignation during these days i can say that the main driver has been my real life. That is what i always stated. Later on my corporation decided to not take the strain anymore as we were already on the brink of loosing the majority of our senior members. As PAX was and still is a fully democratic corporation i was faced with the situation to either follow or leave my corporation, with the later one never being one of my options. There were some good newer corporations that did show dedication so much is true, but as i stated the missing dedication from most of the newer corps, endless debating and bad decisions from HC in the end led to the downfall that we can see. Don¦t blame me for trying to safe my corporation that we have build over months and years and for prioritising my real life. As PAX we can surely say that we have done all we were able to while being in -V-. There were even times when my corp had more then 90% participation during ops and the times we did not have this level we were busy executing other operations on behalf of the alliance.
So long
Burzon
CEO PAX Interstellar
Need salvation or paxification ? Call us !
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Crellion
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.01.25 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kal'Kalagan
Originally by: Burzon stuff Burzon
stuff
Dear friend,
I see your point and you might be right but you see things froma June 06 perspective. When they talk to you about the old -v- people dont mean May 06 but rather the time from September 05 ( perhaps even before ) to February - March 06.
What was so special then? Every member a tenacious fighter. 100 in alliance chat and 99 in gang 24/7. I have never seen this before or after in any alliance or corporation or entity of any kind. SP gave a lot of isk and spoild us all perhaps but I am not expecting you to take my word for it. What -v- once was is pretty unbelievable if you havent experienced it.
Anyway I thank you for staying when we left and defending the -v- name... perhaps newer corps did their best... its just that the -v- spirit was a bit too big a shoe for anybody to fill...
R.I.P. -v- All my love forever. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
Komolov
Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Komolov on 25/01/2007 13:47:07 *Komolov waves to people around.
After -V- lost Scalding Pass i came here, commited ritual of carebearing in belts of KZF and 28Y and left this area calmed down and relaxed.
Ok, now time to start my chatting sessions with Cult of War guys since they've declared their intentions to move down south. --------------------
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Zakalwe
FireStar Inc Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.25 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Zakalwe on 25/01/2007 14:02:39
Originally by: Komolov Ok, now time to start my chatting sessions with Cult of War guys since they've declared their intentions to move down south.
You have a link about these moving "down" ?
Say hi from me to your alt Liten Lorian in a Falcon who always come along with you when you're roaming ...null
Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
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Pepperami
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.01.25 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zakalwe You have a link about these moving "down" ?
Say hi from me to your alt Liten Lorian in a Falcon who always come along with you when you're roaming ...null
Read CAOD :)
And <3 you komolov
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Beyond Horizon
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.26 01:49:00 -
[146]
no 3> for me ? :( :)
- BH |
Aeris Lazari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.01.26 10:55:00 -
[147]
asd to hear that.. was fun fighting you guys back in the days.. GL in the future LD
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Commander Hades
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Posted - 2007.01.26 11:17:00 -
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all i can say is you guys were warned, you should had seen Kos's Fall to Ra/Goon as a reality Shock, you should had realised that in order to win you had to stick together but you chose to carebear, beliving your might allance would never fall, ignoring the fact you actualy had to fight to keep what you held dear,
LV is next & they will fall
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Velios
M. Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.26 13:16:00 -
[149]
Hush little alt. |
Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.01.27 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 27/01/2007 00:55:43
Originally by: Commander Hades all i can say is you guys were warned, you should had seen Kos's Fall to Ra/Goon as a reality Shock, you should had realised that in order to win you had to stick together but you chose to carebear, beliving your might allance would never fall, ignoring the fact you actualy had to fight to keep what you held dear,
If you are speaking about -V- then forget that comment about carebearing. There was no carebearing for personal profit in the last months, except to replace ships and for the alliance fee for pos-stuff etc. At least not for those in Scalding Pass I know. Actually I don't know where the people were then, but Scalding Pass was a battlefield. Personally I came to Scalding Pass with some billions and left without isk, all that was left was like 2 BS and some mins that I still have in Curse from the time before I joined -V-.
Yes, sorry, and after 1v- had fallen and it was obvious that people had given up, I and probably many others had enough of it too. Which should be understandable, because who likes to live on a battlefield for months, recharge poses day after day, stay up during the night for some pos defense, if that goes on for weeks and months ? Corps leaving, equipment getting worse due to people having no isk, numbers in alliance chat going down, no capitals in sight etc. It just sucks after some time, but you do it anyway, because you don't want to give up.
Many -V- members have given a lot, surely a lot more than some carebears in big alliances, who have a big mouth and run for the hills, when they get attacked. I've seen V members trying to stop attacks at 3 o'clock in the morning with 25 vs. 120. I've seen LV and V members sitting in gatecamps for 13 hours non-stop, going to bed and showing again on the next day as soon as they could and spending there one week just for some f***ing station. After a few months it's not fun anymore.
Ok, if you are in a mega alliance, where not everyone is always needed to defend, it might be fun, but not if you need everyone over months and people need to stay much longer in EVE, than they like, if you want to keep your chance over weeks and months like I said.
That was -V- reality in the end and well, I'm happy that this sh** is over, since it was hopeless anyway. Nevertheless I'll never join the enemy, just because the grass seems to be greener there. But I think I and many others have the damn right to relax a bit now, that's why I'm not angry at LD for joining CA.
Btw. especially people like LD, Bjorn and the FCs have given a lot. LD surely too much already. He also said something that he just had enough of all that and just wants to play, relax and have fun now.
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Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
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