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Miri Tirzan
Caldari Clan Korval
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:21:00 -
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I don't know about everyone but I am getting tired of people hiding in NPC corps. Until NPC corps can be wardec'ed, I have a few suggested changes.
1. Players in an NPC corp should have restricted to access to ships - I suggest T1 cruisers and no T2.
2. Players in an NPC corp should not be able to attack, but can defend against players.
3. All players should be able to establish one free corp.
This does two things, give players an incentive to leave NPC corps and it keeps NPC corps from being abused.
First, it keeps players from hiding completely from PvP. Highsec mission runners come to mind. They can create a solo corp and keep doing what they were doing or they stay in an NPC corp and have limited play.
Second, it keeps players from abusing NPC corps. Macro miners and suicide gankers are the worse for this. Macro miners would be forced into a player corp or would have to use T1 cruisers and modules which would reduce their effectiveness. This would act as a deterrent to macro mining. This would also force the suicide gankers in highsec to be part of a corp that can be wardec'ed. Then if you get suicide ganked, you can wardec the corp and actually use the game mechanics to defend against ganking.
*Suicide gankers that use thier main and a player corp are real pirates IMHO. Those who use alts and stay in NPC corps are just lame.
There are plenty of game mechanics to deal with players, if the players are in player corporations. There is almost no way to do anything to a player in a NPC corporation without taking a sec hit.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Kylania
Gallente Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:23:00 -
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NO.
Leave NPC corps alone. If you want to stop suicide gankers, remove insurance for hi sec aggressions. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:29:00 -
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A 10% tax rate in NPC corps would be OK, but the suggestions in the OP are probably not going to be easy to achieve
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Rina Shanu
Computer-Aided General Exploitation
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:29:00 -
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It's not about suicide gankers only, it's also about the rest of us taking lots of security hits for hunting complex farmers and miners, when we should have a fair competition in the area.
They use game mechanics to allow them to stick around and above .5 you can't stop them.
It simply is nor normal in my view to have 1.5 year old pilots in npc corps. (the starter corps...)
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari Clan Korval
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania NO.
Leave NPC corps alone. If you want to stop suicide gankers, remove insurance for hi sec aggressions.
And that lets people defend them selves how?
Oh it doesn't.
It is about time that people quit hiding in NPC corps, whether it is there carebear alts that pay for them to pirate, mission runners that want no risk, macro miners that are trying to farm Eve for RL cash, or even the sucide ganker.
Eve has a fully developed corp system designed to let players resolve conflict but it is short circuited if when some players are hiding in NPC corps.
Sorry, but NO is not an arguement.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Pan Lo
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Miri Tirzan
Originally by: Kylania NO.
Leave NPC corps alone. If you want to stop suicide gankers, remove insurance for hi sec aggressions.
And that lets people defend them selves how?
Oh it doesn't.
It is about time that people quit hiding in NPC corps, whether it is there carebear alts that pay for them to pirate, mission runners that want no risk, macro miners that are trying to farm Eve for RL cash, or even the sucide ganker.
Eve has a fully developed corp system designed to let players resolve conflict but it is short circuited if when some players are hiding in NPC corps.
Sorry, but NO is not an arguement.
Can I join your corp please? I don't want to 'hide' anymore
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari Clan Korval
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake A 10% tax rate in NPC corps would be OK, but the suggestions in the OP are probably not going to be easy to achieve
I dont agree with the tax suggestion, mainly for the impact it would have on new players, the people that are suppost to be in the NPC corps. If they are restricted to T1 cruisers or less, that should be enough incentive to get them into a player corp.
That is also why I think there should be a default solo player corp for each player. If you leave a corp, you go there. All the benifits and trials of being a corporation in Eve.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:37:00 -
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Faction warfare would solve this, people when ducking out of their PC corporation gets to choose from a list where to go, which may or may not land them smack into an NPC corporation at war with another NPC corporation.
This will be incentive enough for some to establish their own corporations.
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Lyn30101
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Miri Tirzan
Originally by: Rodj Blake A 10% tax rate in NPC corps would be OK, but the suggestions in the OP are probably not going to be easy to achieve
I dont agree with the tax suggestion, mainly for the impact it would have on new players, the people that are suppost to be in the NPC corps. If they are restricted to T1 cruisers or less, that should be enough incentive to get them into a player corp.
That is also why I think there should be a default solo player corp for each player. If you leave a corp, you go there. All the benifits and trials of being a corporation in Eve.
Translated you read "I want to wardeck more carebears that don't have the ability to fight back."
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:38:00 -
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If you want to kick players out of an NPC corp, then you have to rewrite the code for the war declaration system. Can't be left as the free for all high sec gankfest it now is if you're pushing players out of their NPC corps...
CCP will never change war declarations, so that's basically a big fat NO to your idea...
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Starleena
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:44:00 -
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Oh great! Another "force people to play the game my way" thread!
Nerf NPC corps so I can gank!
Nerf Concord so I can gank!
Make war decs easier so I can gank!
Force everyone into lowsec so I can gank!
/rollseyes
/get popcorn and laugh at the flames!
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:44:00 -
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Why do you feel the need to tell people how to play the game ?
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Chimu Quien
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Miri Tirzan
I don't know about everyone but I am getting tired of people hiding in NPC corps. Until NPC corps can be wardec'ed, I have a few suggested changes.
Has it ever occurred to you that many people are not 'hiding' in an NPC corp--they just prefer to effectively play the game solo, without getting war declared on their corp every couple of days?
What's wrong with that?
I have a few ships, some junk stuff and a very modest level of wealth. I have a total of 4 mil ISK with the 2 characters I play. I have fun and do what I want in the game.
What's wrong with that?
I don't care what you do in lo-sec and 0.0. I don't care what you do in your player corp. I don't want to interfere with your play style. Why do you want to restrict mine?
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari Clan Korval
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn30101
Originally by: Miri Tirzan
Originally by: Rodj Blake A 10% tax rate in NPC corps would be OK, but the suggestions in the OP are probably not going to be easy to achieve
I dont agree with the tax suggestion, mainly for the impact it would have on new players, the people that are suppost to be in the NPC corps. If they are restricted to T1 cruisers or less, that should be enough incentive to get them into a player corp.
That is also why I think there should be a default solo player corp for each player. If you leave a corp, you go there. All the benifits and trials of being a corporation in Eve.
Translated you read "I want to wardeck more carebears that don't have the ability to fight back."
I pay my money to play this game how I want, so **** off.
Well one more cluess rube heard from.
1. You don't know me. 2. You don't know what I want other than what I have posted. 3. You don't have an arguement so you revert to profanitiy.
You could try:
1. Reading my past posts. 2. Talking to me in game, I use my main for posts. 3. Pulling your head out and breathing fresh air - it give a whole new perspective.
So, while I would not mind wardec'ing a few marco miner groups... I don't see why anyone should get near total protection either to use to hide with or attack with.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Lyn30101
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lyn30101 on 16/01/2007 16:58:35 Because some of us don't WANT to pvp? Get over it. If I pay my money to CCP, and am willing to live with the fact that I'll probably never have an 0.0 option in an NPC corp, which already shuts me out of ever getting a capital, then it is MY business I have decided to play the way I have and have accepted the liabilities (less income, no cap ships, No Uber ratspawns to play with) that come with it.
You cannot make this game to the point that casual players have nowhere to go, or they will go away. And we'll take our $15 dollars with us.
As for the suicide gankers, take away insurance upon criminal flag and that'll cure that problem shortly.
EDIT: I'm already looking for another space mmo with safe areas to play in as we speak. I imagine I'm not the only one. Playing as Elves or Fairies or Orcs or Trolls or whatever just doesn't interest me, I like flying ships.
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari Clan Korval
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Starleena Oh great! Another "force people to play the game my way" thread!
Nerf NPC corps so I can gank!
Nerf Concord so I can gank!
Make war decs easier so I can gank!
Force everyone into lowsec so I can gank!
/rollseyes
/get popcorn and laugh at the flames!
Lets take this one point at a time:
1. I did not say make any changes to NPC corps to make it easier to gank players in the NPC corp.
What I did say was to quit letting players hide in them and still do anything they feel like. The two groups I targeted macro miners and the high sec, hide in the NPC corp, sucide ganker.
2. I did not say that.
I have never said that Concord needs nerfed, well unless it is replaced with the proper factions navy.
3. I did not say that.
The current wardec system is fine. What is not fine is that macro miners and sucide scum gankers can hide in NPC corps and not be wardec'ed.
4. I did not say that.
I think that anyone that goes to lowsec is pretty much wasting thier time. If you want to make ISK find a way to nonsec. Lowsec is pretty much the land of the counter strike in space tards.
I am not saying anyone has to play the game the way I do. I sincerly hope they don't. But once again the actions of a minority is having a disproportional impact on game play and something needs to be done to correct it.
I dont care if you stay in an NPC corp but because there are people abusing it. Some changes need to be made and these are my suggestions.
Or to quoteone of my other posts, pop your head out and read what I posted.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari Clan Korval
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:07:00 -
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Can some of you tards that can read actually be bothered to read what I have posted.
No I don't want to run around wardec'ing mission runners, but there are those that do.
No, I don't care how you play the game.
NPC corp membership is being abused. You got a better suggestion, feel free to make it but please, please, read what I have posted and quite resonding to the voices in your head.
Respectfully, no insult is intended to anyone with an IQ below 40, mearly to those fakers acting like it.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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MoLeH
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:12:00 -
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Why is it that evryone seems to think player corps get war decced evry other day? my alt has been running missions in empire in his own corp for the past 2 years and hes never been war decced.
But as the op said there are ore thieves and suicide gankers that hide in NPC corps, this is a problem and needs dealing with, i am not saying i aggree with his idea, and im not saying you should be forced to leave the NPC corps, but something does need to be done.
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Lyn30101
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Miri Tirzan Can some of you tards that can read actually be bothered to read what I have posted.
No I don't want to run around wardec'ing mission runners, but there are those that do.
No, I don't care how you play the game.
NPC corp membership is being abused. You got a better suggestion, feel free to make it but please, please, read what I have posted and quite resonding to the voices in your head.
Respectfully, no insult is intended to anyone with an IQ below 40, mearly to those fakers acting like it.
Suicide gankers has already been addressed to death: Make it unprofitable. (Translation: remove insurance upon criminal flag)
Macros are a bit more difficult yes, but at this poitn the low end mineral market is so dependant upon them that any solution that fixes macros will also cause a recession if not depression(First prices go up, because supply goes down, then prices crash as no one can afford the stuff on the market anymore). So that is much more complex than shove them out of NPC corps or they can't use thier barge. (and to be blunt, Osprey fitted proper can keep up with retriver anyhow so that's not gonna stop them as much as slow them down a little.)
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MoLeH
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:12:00 -
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Why is it that evryone seems to think player corps get war decced evry other day? my alt has been running missions in empire in his own corp for the past 2 years and hes never been war decced.
But as the op said there are ore thieves and suicide gankers that hide in NPC corps, this is a problem and needs dealing with, i am not saying i aggree with his idea, and im not saying you should be forced to leave the NPC corps, but something does need to be done.
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Lyn30101
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Miri Tirzan Can some of you tards that can read actually be bothered to read what I have posted.
No I don't want to run around wardec'ing mission runners, but there are those that do.
No, I don't care how you play the game.
NPC corp membership is being abused. You got a better suggestion, feel free to make it but please, please, read what I have posted and quite resonding to the voices in your head.
Respectfully, no insult is intended to anyone with an IQ below 40, mearly to those fakers acting like it.
Suicide gankers has already been addressed to death: Make it unprofitable. (Translation: remove insurance upon criminal flag)
Macros are a bit more difficult yes, but at this poitn the low end mineral market is so dependant upon them that any solution that fixes macros will also cause a recession if not depression(First prices go up, because supply goes down, then prices crash as no one can afford the stuff on the market anymore). So that is much more complex than shove them out of NPC corps or they can't use thier barge. (and to be blunt, Osprey fitted proper can keep up with retriver anyhow so that's not gonna stop them as much as slow them down a little.)
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:15:00 -
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/Signed
Removing the ability to hide in NPC corps would solve a lot of EVE's problems. A few people would probably quit over it, but that's just dead weight disappearing. Less lag for the rest of us.
/Ki
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:15:00 -
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/Signed
Removing the ability to hide in NPC corps would solve a lot of EVE's problems. A few people would probably quit over it, but that's just dead weight disappearing. Less lag for the rest of us.
/Ki
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: MoLeH Why is it that evryone seems to think player corps get war decced evry other day? my alt has been running missions in empire in his own corp for the past 2 years and hes never been war decced.
But as the op said there are ore thieves and suicide gankers that hide in NPC corps, this is a problem and needs dealing with, i am not saying i aggree with his idea, and im not saying you should be forced to leave the NPC corps, but something does need to be done.
I guess what you could do is, if you're in an NPC corp, and you do anything to lose concord standing, you get kicked into another NPC corp that can be war dec'd... Then have to stay there until you gain your standing back...
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: MoLeH Why is it that evryone seems to think player corps get war decced evry other day? my alt has been running missions in empire in his own corp for the past 2 years and hes never been war decced.
But as the op said there are ore thieves and suicide gankers that hide in NPC corps, this is a problem and needs dealing with, i am not saying i aggree with his idea, and im not saying you should be forced to leave the NPC corps, but something does need to be done.
I guess what you could do is, if you're in an NPC corp, and you do anything to lose concord standing, you get kicked into another NPC corp that can be war dec'd... Then have to stay there until you gain your standing back...
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:17:00 -
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(IMHO)
you don't experience Eve at it's best unless you are in a good player run corp. Any encouragement to lead players into a corp or to start their own is a good thing.
There should be some impetus for non-griefers to migrate away from the npc corps, without it being overly harsh.
The various issues around NPC corps and griefing should be addressed seperately. I think if you stopped NPC corp characters agressing players in empire, you're on a slippery slope to not letting them be agressed either, which would be suckier still.
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:17:00 -
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(IMHO)
you don't experience Eve at it's best unless you are in a good player run corp. Any encouragement to lead players into a corp or to start their own is a good thing.
There should be some impetus for non-griefers to migrate away from the npc corps, without it being overly harsh.
The various issues around NPC corps and griefing should be addressed seperately. I think if you stopped NPC corp characters agressing players in empire, you're on a slippery slope to not letting them be agressed either, which would be suckier still.
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Lyn30101
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An /Signed
Removing the ability to hide in NPC corps would solve a lot of EVE's problems. A few people would probably quit over it, but that's just dead weight disappearing. Less lag for the rest of us.
/Ki
Enjoy the status unknown message the day they can't pay the light bill. Remember, even the macros have to pay for thier accounts too. I love how the pvp elitist bunch thinks that rmoving large parts of the funding to run the game will make it better.
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Lyn30101
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An /Signed
Removing the ability to hide in NPC corps would solve a lot of EVE's problems. A few people would probably quit over it, but that's just dead weight disappearing. Less lag for the rest of us.
/Ki
Enjoy the status unknown message the day they can't pay the light bill. Remember, even the macros have to pay for thier accounts too. I love how the pvp elitist bunch thinks that rmoving large parts of the funding to run the game will make it better.
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Miri Tirzan
Caldari Clan Korval
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:18:00 -
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Changing insurance will not stop suicide gankers and ore thieves. They are making so much more than they would loose, even with no insurance, there would not be much impact.
And I agree, most player corps never, ever, get wardec'ed.
Ok, restrict players in NPC corps to frigates, that solves the mining cruiser issue - missed that one, so good call.
How about quit flaming me and actually put some counter suggestions if you dont like mine.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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