This did not answer the question asked.

and if the person is in a NPC Corp?

Because asking for 10 hypothetical situations the way to win the internet. He is one post away from winning and I dont want it to be from me.
/sarcasm

In all seriousness baltec1 would you really answer a question like that?

Because asking for 10 hypothetical situations the way to win the internet. He is one post away from winning and I dont want it to be from me.
/sarcasm

In all seriousness baltec1 would you really answer a question like that?



Then you can't really say you are trying to cut off say Brutor Tribes supply lines. If the guy is just trying to make a living and you blow him up repeatedly to the point of (you) not being able to make any ISK whatsoever, the "rule" applies.

At our discretion

Funny you should say that, as plenty of people have come on the forum and overtly claimed they were doing it only "for the lulz".

Secondly, "attempt" is not written or implied in the definition.

"lulz" are a form of currency, are they not? If not, then WTF am I trading my cash for when I pay the bill for this game every month???

Also, art...even temporary, is a commodity as well. Every 4th we Americans shell out millions and millions of dollars on stuff that is meant to only shortly brighten up the sky in brilliant explosive colors. Ever seen a retriever pop? It's quite pretty! It's like a garden of flowers that dies in the wind. Nothing gold can stay...

There's also practice as well. Skills are a commodity that can only come through work. Stepping into the deep end right away makes it harder to learn. Popping a couple vessels in a short timespace can be a learning experience. First couple times I tried I failed and learned more about damage types and resistances.

So there's many forms of "profit" available in ganking. There's the "lulz". There's the artwork. There's the experience. Finally, in some cases, there's the ISK. I'm sure others can think of more.

Surely CCP understands these things as if they didn't they wouldn't bother making gun animations, cool novas, and pretty explosions. We'd just play EvE through a terminal and stare at a blank void. People wouldn't pay for that though....we expect to be entertained and we want to feel like we get more entertainment than we're paying for. Being entertained is a form of profit!

and if the person is in a NPC Corp?

Its counterproductive to your game, and its costing you a lot of money. You have never enforced this policy yet you retain it, it is very confusing. Is it simply the cost of enforcing it? Or apathy? Or did you just print that to bait people into subbing, with them thinking "EvE can't be as harsh as people say if blatant griefing is against the rules". Or do you plan on enforcing it someday? Just wondering why a company would allow itself to hemorrhage money like that, especially after this summer.

Eagerly waiting your response, also eagerly awaiting griefer replies telling me what a bad poster I am and how what they do is either justified or not griefing.

oxytopes at 1500, the bad thread index is spiking across the forums, it's a crisis of market democracy~

You show your own limited understanding of the game, actually.

Scenario A: guy suicide ganks a badger and gets a BPO ~ not griefing.

Scenario B: guy suicide ganks a badger pilot 7 times and looses money ~ griefing.

The OP was about griefing. I guess for some people its a "tiresome" task to read and understand.

spirit of the rules

oxytopes at 1500, the bad thread index is spiking across the forums, it's a crisis of market democracy~

You show your own limited understanding of the game, actually.

Scenario A: guy suicide ganks a badger and gets a BPO ~ not griefing.

Scenario B: guy suicide ganks a badger pilot 7 times and looses money ~ griefing.

The OP was about griefing. I guess for some people its a "tiresome" task to read and understand.

For scenario B to be griefing you'd have to qualitatively prove that the target in question was the sole target and/or was not part of a corp or alliance subject to economic warfare and logistics interdiction and/or acted to reduce potential risk while in transit to his destination. If any of the above are false, then it's anything but griefing.

By your defenition, perhaps. By CCP's definition, it meets the criteria. As I said I'm not here to debate what griefing is, I'm here to ask CCP why they allow actions that they have deemed ban-able to continue.

By your defenition, perhaps. By CCP's definition, it meets the criteria. As I said I'm not here to debate what griefing is, I'm here to ask CCP why they allow actions that they have deemed ban-able to continue.

They dont. The problem is the things you think are griefing are not considered griefing by CCP, otherwise they would ban them.

No, thats not the problem at all man. Thats why i don't want to play rules interpretation. CCP clearly states the conditions. If you feel that no one in EvE griefs, you are free to have that opinion. However, you would be intellectually dishonest at that point.

Cipher, if your goal is to try and get some decision that there should be limits of some sort for suicide ganking (such as a pilot is limited as to how many times they can gank the same miner) I think you and I both know that is never going to happen. It would open the door to thousands of petitions trying to use the statement as leverage to say that the same ruling should apply to their particular situation as well.

The intent of CCP's griefing policy is pretty clear. It is to allow them grounds to ban someone if they get carried away on a personal vendetta aimed at forcing a specific individual to quit the game via harassment. Its fairly generic language allows CCP to determine what constitutes that level of harassment at their discretion, without fear of rules lawyering.

In all sincerity, don't think you are going to get what you want out of this.

2. In online gaming where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game.

Actually, if CCP were to enforce this rule, any sort of camping, i.e. cloaky camping, station camping, or ragecaging a pos would be ban-able. I've come to the realization, that CCP just doesn't give a **** anymore. They only care about those who drop cash on this game, or suck d*ck like Mittani does.

Their primary goal is too: Make as much MONEY as possible.


If you hadn't noticed, people stopped bitching about cloaky campers, why? Because CCP kept telling them it was "legal". Goons bitched about Sov Warfare not being "hard" enough, so they changed it. CCP only cares what the power houses think, and whose dumping the most cash into their game.


This is EVE. **** happens, Get over it.


Piece of Advice, just keep spamming their petition system.



Quoted from Urban Dictionary. Said statement is false, if said person goes to another location. Griefing is only ban-able when said griefer is following/stalking said victim. Otherwise, CCP won't do ****. Good Luck, Have Fun.


@ Mittani: The fact that you were chosen as CSM shows how ****** this Community really is. Goons will always be bottom feeders.