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Kubbur
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Posted - 2007.01.10 12:24:00 -
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where did the save password feature go, i loved that feature and i want it back,
if its still there tell me where :D ----------
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Devil Hanzo
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.10 12:27:00 -
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Nope, it got removed for security reasons.
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Kubbur
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Posted - 2007.01.10 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Kubbur on 10/01/2007 12:32:44 doesnt some eula say that the password is OUR responsobility ?
thats what i thought, so if I choose that it safe to save my password, then i bear responsobility for that, right ?
and i want that feature back !
Quote: B. Passwords and Names You will be asked to select a password during the registration process ("Password"). You may not disclose your Password to anyone or allow anyone to use your Password to access the System or play EVEÖ. You are responsible for maintaining the confidentiality of your Password and for any damage, harm, lost or deleted characters, etc. resulting from your disclosure, or allowing the disclosure, of any Password, or from use by any person of your Password. You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the password of anyone else. You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password.
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2007.01.10 12:57:00 -
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not gonna happen.
It was removed for security purposes and will never be added back.
the eula also states that you are responsible for rememebring your password quote from eula : You are responsible for remembering your Account information and Password. ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:00:00 -
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon not gonna happen.
It was removed for security purposes and will never be added back.
Of course this in reality lowers security not increases it by a fair margin but I guess that's not important... ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Jiekon not gonna happen.
It was removed for security purposes and will never be added back.
Of course this in reality lowers security not increases it by a fair margin but I guess that's not important...
it does?
hey, look, my sibling/spouse has left their computer on and unlcoked, wht's this, EvE ? hmm, interesting <double click> <pick name> <password already remembered> <spouse/sibling logs in> <spouse/sibling looses your insert expensive item here>
OHNOES! ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Kubbur
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:07:00 -
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yes, now people sometimes have to write down their passwords or something like that :O
i dont, just like being able to open a client and press enter to log in :D ----------
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Jiekon not gonna happen.
It was removed for security purposes and will never be added back.
Of course this in reality lowers security not increases it by a fair margin but I guess that's not important...
The naivety of some people explains why security is so frequently violated.
The most likely risk to your computer's security is physical access. That could be:
* A burglar. * Someone the burglar sold your computer to. * Any house guest borrowing your computer. * Someone you sold the computer or hard disk to if you didn't clear it down.
These risks far outwheigh the online attacks and therefore storing a password on the hard disk is a bad thing. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jiekon on 10/01/2007 13:07:43
Originally by: Kubbur Edited by: Kubbur on 10/01/2007 13:05:00 yes, now people sometimes have to write down their passwords or something like that :O
i dont, just like being able to open a client and press enter to log in :D
Edit: i always lock my computer, and my eve is buried far inside my computer on one of the hard drives :P and if i forget to lock the computer it locks automaticcly after a few minutes :D and i usually lock my room too :D
Unfortunately, not everyone is as paranoid as you are. And the one time you do forget to lock the pc. KABOOM
EDIT: I used to be in STAR, then i joined CCP. thank's for the congrats ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 10/01/2007 13:11:24
Originally by: Kubbur Edited by: Kubbur on 10/01/2007 13:06:05 Edited by: Kubbur on 10/01/2007 13:05:00 yes, now people sometimes have to write down their passwords or something like that :O
Only if they have a medical condition or routinely don't pay attention to what they are doing. Healthy people who think about what they are doing will have no difficulty remembering something that they type every time they want to do something.
Most people forget things like keys, turning the cooker off or passwords because they routinely go through life daydreaming or thinking about unrelated tasks. If you think about what you are doing when you do it these kind of things are easier to remember. Train yourself to think about what you are doing and to compartmentalise your thoughts. It makes life easier :) -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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Kubbur
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:15:00 -
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there is also the fact that the password is encrypted, by an unknown encription to me :P but a malicious user never SEES the password itself. ----------
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon Edited by: Jiekon on 10/01/2007 13:07:43
Originally by: Kubbur Edited by: Kubbur on 10/01/2007 13:05:00 yes, now people sometimes have to write down their passwords or something like that :O
i dont, just like being able to open a client and press enter to log in :D
Edit: i always lock my computer, and my eve is buried far inside my computer on one of the hard drives :P and if i forget to lock the computer it locks automaticcly after a few minutes :D and i usually lock my room too :D
Unfortunately, not everyone is as paranoid as you are. And the one time you do forget to lock the pc. KABOOM
EDIT: I used to be in STAR, then i joined CCP. thank's for the congrats
Main thing I think he means is: The password was stored encrypted when you wanted to save it, physical access and all such in its glory but, instead of having a painstakinly horrible password for people to try and guess/brute force we are now more likley to see passwords such as: jiekon1337
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:23:00 -
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yeah, i see what he means, but if i stole his hard drive, i would be able to access his eve account by botting the drive, searching for eve.exe running it and picking a character name from the drop down menu.
With or without encryption, i could still access his account and transfer all his stuff to me.
Whether it's encrypted or not is neither here nor there, the fact is, it was deemed not secure enough for our liking, thus, Removed and banished to the dungeon for all eternity. ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Kubbur
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:26:00 -
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why dont u guys have votes for players to keep or remove stuff like this :/
that would atleast be fair, if a big part of players could vote on it :D ----------
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:27:00 -
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Now I'am curious what else might be found in thoose dungeons. time to dust of DnD and rattle them dices and synapses while rewritting it Dungeons and Geysers -RPG set at the land of fire and ice, storm the CCP dungeons in this new exciting dustoff from old dnd
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 10/01/2007 13:27:12
Originally by: Jiekon yeah, i see what he means, but if i stole his hard drive, i would be able to access his eve account by botting the drive, searching for eve.exe running it and picking a character name from the drop down menu.
With or without encryption, i could still access his account and transfer all his stuff to me.
Once you selected an account from the drop down menu the stored password was removed. It only remembers the PW for whatever account you used less.
As for security, im not worried about my PC being stolen or someone accessing my computer (One of my friends of familiy starting up eve? Oh the horror...)
However since i now have to type in my password every single time keyloggers are the perfect way to hijack my account, a risk previously did not face.
Plus its not like people where forced to use it... ill happily use it at my own risk. Im lazy and want the option back -----
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Viliny
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:35:00 -
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if your lazy enough, you could bind a macro that types out the password for ya :P
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Sotharr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue The most likely risk to your computer's security is physical access.
Do you have any statistics to back up this statement? I bet there are more users worldwide that have keylogger/other spyware working on their computer than ever had it stolen/borrowed. The greatest threat for EVE password is keylogger, not burglar. Typing the pasword each time you log in actually lowers the security. Moreover, if my computer gets stolen I can change password on the same day. But I won't know if my password was compromised due to spyware until attacker uses it and then it will be already too late.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain However since i now have to type in my password every single time keyloggers are the perfect way to hijack my account, a risk previously did not face.
If someone had a keylogger installed on your machine - then they could just as easaly grab the saved password file --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Xenofur on 10/01/2007 13:37:59 ok, to recap:
stored passwords were previously an obscure feature that took research and manual work to get working. that pretty much means that a person using it had to have at least a certain modicum of intelligence.
now, arguing on the base that people are stupid (as if they could get that feature working at all) or likely (yaright) to get their computer stolen and their eve account raided that way (WTF?! does that seem like the LAST thing to worry about in case of a burglar?), removes this.
seriously ccp? wtf is this? your decision processes seem more and more like what microsoft employs every day.
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Igor Pumpernickel
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:42:00 -
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Its silly how they took it out, because now people will be putting in short easy to remember passwords, especially if your someone that gets disconnected 3-4 times a night during busy periods.
btw, my passwords like 64 characters long and is random alpha/numeric. _____________________________________________ pod for life
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xenofur Edited by: Xenofur on 10/01/2007 13:37:59 ok, to recap:
stored passwords were previously an obscure feature that took research and manual work to get working. that pretty much means that a person using it had to have at least a certain modicum of intelligence.
now, arguing on the base that people are stupid (as if they could get that feature working at all) or likely (yaright) to get their computer stolen and their eve account raided that way (WTF?! does that seem like the LAST thing to worry about in case of a burglar?), removes this.
seriously ccp? wtf is this? your decision processes seem more and more like what microsoft employs every day.
Sorry, but swearing at us gets you nowhere. Good day. <packs bags and leaves thread> ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Jiekon not gonna happen.
It was removed for security purposes and will never be added back.
Of course this in reality lowers security not increases it by a fair margin but I guess that's not important...
it does?
hey, look, my sibling/spouse has left their computer on and unlcoked, wht's this, EvE ? hmm, interesting <double click> <pick name> <password already remembered> <spouse/sibling logs in> <spouse/sibling looses your insert expensive item here>
OHNOES!
Yes it does, if forces people to use less secure passwords that are more easily guessed and brute forced and it makes it possible to hack it with the help of a simple keylogger.
It was perfect as it was before, a non default feature that you had to activate manually, that way where allowed to decide what where be most secure option for them. As it is now it is less secure for me and no faulty rhetoric is going to change that. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain However since i now have to type in my password every single time keyloggers are the perfect way to hijack my account, a risk previously did not face.
If someone had a keylogger installed on your machine - then they could just as easaly grab the saved password file
Which is encrypted, if they can decrypt the pass from there they could just as easily sniff the net packages with the pw and decrypt from there. ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Viliny if your lazy enough, you could bind a macro that types out the password for ya :P
Yeah that's what people are starting to do, which is of course way more secure than it was before ... ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations |
Ryysa
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:48:00 -
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actually it's so much simpler than that.
How do most passwords get stolen?
By keylogging programs.
The less you have to type in your password, the better :P
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 10/01/2007 13:50:34
Originally by: Ryysa actually it's so much simpler than that.
How do most passwords get stolen?
By keylogging programs.
The less you have to type in your password, the better :P
YES BUT WHAT IF SOMEONE COIMES AND STEAL EVERYTHING IN THE HOUSE IMAGINE IF YOUD LOSE YOUR MISSION WHORING MEGA TOO OHNOES
That is of course assuming you didnt pw protect your comp, your burglar knows anything about computers, finds the eve icon interesting enough to start up and has an active eve account himself to transfer stuff to.
Yeah odds of that happening are HUGE, maybe i should start locking the doors at night -----
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Xenofur on 10/01/2007 13:52:12
Originally by: Jiekon Sorry, but swearing at us gets you nowhere. Good day. <packs bags and leaves thread>
where i come from people are taught to use arguments and explanations when confronted on their actions, not to dodge the facts using flimsy (and tbh, childish) excuses.
but yea, it's not like anyone actually expected serious replies, so you "being here" or not is completely irrelevant anyhow. ;)
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.10 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 10/01/2007 14:03:43
Originally by: Sotharr
Originally by: Andrue The most likely risk to your computer's security is physical access.
Do you have any statistics to back up this statement?
No but I can say with a fair degree of certainty that:
"Every computer in the world is under physical threat of some kind (I outlined the threats in my first post) 24/7 364.25 days a year. Even when turned off they are vulnerable.
Not all computers in the world are under threat from malicious software or physically not-present. At any given time the majority of them (those that are idle or powered off) are completely immune to non-physical attacks".
Quote: I bet there are more users worldwide that have keylogger/other spyware working on their computer than ever had it stolen/borrowed.
I don't. I certainly think more computers are at risk of physical attack than are at risk of software/virtual attack as indicated above.
Quote: The greatest threat for EVE password is keylogger, not burglar. Typing the pasword each time you log in actually lowers the security.
I disagree. My computer is at risk of being burgled right now while I sit here at the office typing. Even though the computer is off actually disconnected from the mains by a timer. Even though my router is likewise off and has no power. Right now someone could be outside in a van sizing up my house and getting their tools prepared.
Quote: Moreover, if my computer gets stolen I can change password on the same day.
..which might be too late.
Quote: But I won't know if my password was compromised due to spyware until attacker uses it and then it will be already too late.
True but that's not much better. In any case having a password stored still means you had to type and so you are still at risk of a keylogger having spotted it.
Ultimately what you are saying is that because you can't guarantee your computer's security you won't trust it. Well it's your computer. If you can't guarantee it either don't use it or employ someone who can keep it properly maintained. Take security seriously. Learn how to keep your computer working properly. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
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