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VanillaChacolate
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:26:00 -
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If your carrier happened to be attacked by a dreadnought, both were tackled but no other help arrived for either ship, who would win?
Also, what is the best strategy for killing a dreadnought?
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 08/01/2007 10:27:19
1 v 1 the dread would win. In siege mode it can kill a carrier in a matter of minutes. Once the carrier has its drones on it though, the carrier itself is invulnerable to ECM whereas the dread can be dampened down / jammed and thus will lose lock. It really depends on the support ships.
Best way to kill a dread is 20 battleships with neutralisers - break its cap, break its tank, kill it. The moros and revelation also have the disadvantage of needing cap to run their guns whereas the naglfar and phoenix dont.
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Chronus26
Gallente Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Chronus26 on 08/01/2007 10:34:05 Edited by: Chronus26 on 08/01/2007 10:31:24
Originally by: Sokratesz whereas the dread can be dampened down / jammed and thus will lose lock. It really depends on the support ships.
No it can't, a Dread in seige mode is invulnerable to ECM of any kind.
Originally by: VanillaChacolate If your carrier happened to be attacked by a dreadnought, both were tackled but no other help arrived for either ship, who would win?
The dread would win easily as long as the carrier wasn't moving, if it was though it may just have a little trouble tracking.
Originally by: VanillaChacolate Also, what is the best strategy for killing a dreadnought?
1. NOS. 2. Carriers -> assign fighters to frigs -> have frigs warp in and sic fighters on Dread. Sit back and wait for the boom. -----
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MrRookie
Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: MrRookie on 08/01/2007 10:31:11 I'm pretty sure it's the other way around. Dreads are invulnerable to ECM in siege mode. Besides killing cap eventually hurts the carrier aswell so 1 v 1 the dread got the upper hand.
Bawh.. second
*guy being attacked by a pirat in a complex
Originally by: Noluck Ned *Notify* Concord is on their way to help you, just hang in there, they are waiting for the gatekeeper to respawn
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:36:00 -
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Assuming the carrier pilot isn't flying the yearly profits of his 3 T2 BPO:s, he'll get toasted. There is a fit though that can tank two fully skilled Moros pilots but it's very cap intensive and easy to break in case anyone has some neuts.
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Dragy
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:37:00 -
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Carrier wins. Why ? it still can move, goes to dread, orbits at 500m, nosses the dread and cause the dread normally can't hit dread's dead ... but with this hp boost it would be a lil different i think ...
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Chronus26
Gallente Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy Carrier wins. Why ? it still can move, goes to dread, orbits at 500m, nosses the dread and cause the dread normally can't hit dread's dead ... but with this hp boost it would be a lil different i think ...
If your fitting NOS on a carrier you've spent too long flying Domi's and need to rethink your setup. -----
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Dragy
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: Dragy Carrier wins. Why ? it still can move, goes to dread, orbits at 500m, nosses the dread and cause the dread normally can't hit dread's dead ... but with this hp boost it would be a lil different i think ...
If your fitting NOS on a carrier you've spent too long flying Domi's and need to rethink your setup.
I never flown a domi, and never will. Just aint my style. I've seen many carrier vs dread fights on sisi and that's how every one ended ...
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Chronus26
Gallente Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy
Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: Dragy Carrier wins. Why ? it still can move, goes to dread, orbits at 500m, nosses the dread and cause the dread normally can't hit dread's dead ... but with this hp boost it would be a lil different i think ...
If your fitting NOS on a carrier you've spent too long flying Domi's and need to rethink your setup.
I never flown a domi, and never will. Just aint my style. I've seen many carrier vs dread fights on sisi and that's how every one ended ...
I'm not debating the Transversal point, I'm just pointing out that heavy NOS on a carrier is a bit of a waste. It's all fine and well on SiSi though... -----
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Dragy
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: Dragy
Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: Dragy Carrier wins. Why ? it still can move, goes to dread, orbits at 500m, nosses the dread and cause the dread normally can't hit dread's dead ... but with this hp boost it would be a lil different i think ...
If your fitting NOS on a carrier you've spent too long flying Domi's and need to rethink your setup.
I never flown a domi, and never will. Just aint my style. I've seen many carrier vs dread fights on sisi and that's how every one ended ...
I'm not debating the Transversal point, I'm just pointing out that heavy NOS on a carrier is a bit of a waste. It's all fine and well on SiSi though...
Aye, i was talking about nos. Imo fighters should get a lil damage boost, but that's another story
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gordon cain
Minmatar x13
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Posted - 2007.01.08 10:58:00 -
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You cant kill a carrier with a single dread if no nossing is involved. That goes for the archon but I am pretty sure its goes for the rest of the carriers also.
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Twin blade
Minmatar The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.01.08 13:21:00 -
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If the carrier was to send 15 fighter's to the dread out of siege mode it might overpower his tank but in Siege mode with out Nos/Neut's its pointless.
Unless 1 of the has a real bad fit or afk there is no real way for a carrier/dread to solo the other.
By bad Fit i mean Large armor reps or Xl shield booster's and not the Cap versions and so on. !
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Chronus26
Gallente Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2007.01.08 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Twin blade If the carrier was to send 15 fighter's to the dread out of siege mode it might overpower his tank but in Siege mode with out Nos/Neut's its pointless.
Unless 1 of the has a real bad fit or afk there is no real way for a carrier/dread to solo the other.
By bad Fit i mean Large armor reps or Xl shield booster's and not the Cap versions and so on.
Raises the question... who's gonna go soloing an a capital anyway...? -----
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ZigZag Joe
The Republican Guard The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:14:00 -
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Ginger.
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Chronus26
Gallente Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: ZigZag Joe Ginger.
hah, well he is the greatest pvper in eve so hes allowed
/me goes off to find October Snow KB and gingers carrier losses to date. -----
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 08/01/2007 14:18:57
Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: Sokratesz whereas the dread can be dampened down / jammed and thus will lose lock. It really depends on the support ships.
No it can't, a Dread in seige mode is invulnerable to ECM of any kind.
You're right, i forgot about that :P The dread will indeed have serious tracking issues when the carrier is moving and the latter can't break it's tank. However, if the dread gets nossed -or- the carrier gets webbed, the other will win. Thus, as i said, it all comes down to the suppurt fleet.
With the current amount of capital ships in Eve, i'd like to see some more capital ship goodies - what about a capital NOS (2400 drain, 24s cycle), capital neutraliser (12k neutralized, 48s cycle) capital web (90%, 50km range) and capital scrambler (5pt, 50km range), capital shield extenders & armour plates.
Maybe make them so they can only be activated on other capital ships
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Chronus26
Gallente Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz With the current amount of capital ships in Eve, i'd like to see some more capital ship goodies - what about a capital NOS (2400 drain, 24s cycle), capital neutraliser (12k neutralized, 48s cycle) capital web (90%, 50km range) and capital scrambler (5pt, 50km range), capital shield extenders & armour plates.
Maybe make them so they can only be activated on other capital ships
Check out officer webs, there fitting pretty much restricts them to capitals and they have pretty mad ranges too. -----
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:19:00 -
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In the case the Op described the carrier would win. Its drones benifit from it's skills and damage bonuses as long as they aren't asigned so they'll put out some decent damage. All the carrier has to do is to keep orbiting the dread and keep its speed up vs. a phoenix and it can tank rather comfortably. Then its meerly a matter of waiting for the dread to run out of stront. It'll take ages and in the real world help for either side would be there, failing that, the carrier will end up winning. ----
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:23:00 -
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actually neither will kill either since they can tank eachother
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chronus26
Check out officer webs, there fitting pretty much restricts them to capitals and they have pretty mad ranges too.
Yes, but they are mostly unavailable or more expensive than a carrier ...
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Waxau on 08/01/2007 15:37:01 I cant tank for the other dreads - But for a phoenix, it would chomp through a nidhogger. It would slowly chomp thru a thanatos also (take a good 40 mins tho). Chimera would be easier to take down. With the ability to choose damage, it can choose to kill the carrier with its weakest tank. Plus the chimera cannot cant for a long period of time, but can tank ALOT of damage in that small time. So it'll take a bit less time. Archon would be near impossible 1v1 tho.
So - Nidhogger, Chimera, Thanatos, Archon (in terms of time to kill). Phoenix can tank em all near on forever, unless noss'd
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.08 16:11:00 -
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A good dread pilot would be able to tank the carrier forever,lets look at the figures.
Average dps of a thanatos with maxed out skills ie carrier 5 fighters 5 etc...is about 5000,now factor in the dread resists(lets say 80 across the board)1000 dps to the dreads tank,thats 15000 damage a rep cycle,a dread could rep about 40000 a rep cycle with dual armor reps,so it could even tank the carrier forever with one rep.
As for the carrier its probably the same story,to be honest this would probably be the slowest 1v1 fight on the planet in actual speed and length(bar my shuttle vs shuttle fight).
In the end i think neither of them could break eachothers tank unless somebody did something stupid or a fleet warps in. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. |
Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2007.01.08 16:16:00 -
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carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000 and a dread does 3000 also something like that i think every carrier in this game can tank 3000 DPS if you're willing to spend some isk on faction mods which is mandatory for a carrier imho
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Tunajuice
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.08 17:03:00 -
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The word is, a seiged dread can tank 50-150 fighters depending on level of gear and amount of reps. tracking is so bad on the dread, the carrier could orbit at 500m. I don't think either would ever die ;P
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Soros
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.08 17:06:00 -
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Dread.
Dread cant be killed by a mothership either .. its a stalemate pretty much unles the dread runs out of cap but if u hav a decent setup then u wont
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Ortos
Svefn-G-Englar
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Posted - 2007.01.08 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04
Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000
Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4.
EDIT: And look, I posted with my main
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Blind Man
Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.01.08 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Man on 08/01/2007 17:44:34
Originally by: Ortos Edited by: Ortos on 08/01/2007 17:32:04
Originally by: Deathbarrage carriers don't do 5000 dps i think it was like 2000
Do some research before saying stuff like that. An Archon WITHOUT maxed skills can do 3k dps. The carrier that the poster (can't remember name) was talking about was the Thanatos, which gets a bonus to fighter damage. Not sure if it will do 5000, but I calculated around 4200 dps with fighters 4 (Might've been 5. can't remember) and Gallente Carrier 4.
EDIT: And look, I posted with my main
lol check your math again its more like around 1.5k for a good thanatos afaik
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Arte
Warspite Developments
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Posted - 2007.01.08 17:48:00 -
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For the record, on sisi, a dread in seige mode couldn't hit my thanatos for anything worth a damn unless it was going 10m/s or less and that was at 20km.
So assuming the carrier wasn't webbed (as well as tanked), then it's a no win situation;
The carrier won't break the dreads tank in seige mode and the dread can't hit the carrier in seige mode.
Out of seige mode, I wonder how much the situation changes but I would suspect that it becomes dependant on ranges and setups, then it's anybody's arguement.
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Arte
Warspite Developments
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Posted - 2007.01.08 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Arte on 08/01/2007 19:03:43
Originally by: Doomed Predator But what if the dread is a Phoenix?It doesn't need tracking
In that case you'd have to apply the explosion velocity penalty which comes from the Siege Module 1 instead of the tracking penalty.
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tracking speed bonus -92,5% explosion velocity bonus -92,5%
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Aryen Lacaille
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Posted - 2007.01.08 19:43:00 -
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It's Paladin versus Druid. It would never end and in reality, neither could kill each other, or have enough brunt to break the other ones tank.
The far more likely scenario is one of them gets huge backup within minutes and owns the other.
But if I had to choose, probably Carrier. Those fighters really do kick some ass.
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