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Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.18 12:21:00 -
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Lousy ganker spotted. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:55:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Lousy ganker spotted.
How easy it is to say anyone wanting to remove local as an instant intel source is a ganker.
It is also easy to say moons are eggs for giant space dragons, or any number of unsupportable arguments.
The simple fact, is local does more to help gankers right now, than it helps anyone else.
As is, it's like an instant menu for the lazy... Oooo, I know that name, they mine a lot, and noone else is here right now!
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Lord Zim
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:10:00 -
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...local helps gankers? huh? |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:14:00 -
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local helps gankees more than the ganker. GTFOing is done via single click, as ganker you must fly around, find/scan your target, come close and point it.... by that time they are usually in station/POS taking a p*ss or coffee break, and wait for you to disappear from local..
or as for more experienced carebears, they even better wait the ganker to be reported in a distant system in intel channel before they undock again. |
Kuroi Aurgnet
Guilt Brigade
Blitzkrieg Federation Of The Dumpster Punchers
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:38:00 -
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you know, I'm in support of an anticloaking method. If anything, cloaking itself is broken because it makes you completely undetectable by anything and everything. and there are problems with this for both sides. 1. This creates problems for you gankers out there, because it makes your best and smartest targets inaccessible. I mean really? you all whine about the fact that people could find you out and run if they could see through your cloaking? yeah, well you could find industrial ships trying to hide from you, giving you another valuable target. and 2. cloaking creates problems for intel or industrial members for obvious reasons, as most of the people who are whining are most likely gankers, and as anyone could tell, a cloaked ganking squad is a bit of an issue for an unaware indy member. Really, this doesnt defeat intel gathering, but rather help it. heck, I use cloaking a lot when scanning, so i dont have to worry as much about a ship attacking my while i position my probes. I would personally hate to be found out while I thought i was safe. But when are you ever safe in this game, and when was it ever said that eve was fair.
Long winded answer aside, I've been thinking of this idea for a bit, and i think it'd be a great new twist. |
Mary Annabelle
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:12:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Lousy ganker spotted. How easy it is to say anyone wanting to remove local as an instant intel source is a ganker. It is also easy to say moons are eggs for giant space dragons, or any number of unsupportable arguments. The simple fact, is local does more to help gankers right now, than it helps anyone else. As is, it's like an instant menu for the lazy... Oooo, I know that name, they mine a lot, and noone else is here right now!
To OP: Cloaking is not broken, it is working as intended. Part of that intention IS to make people nervous about what is happening. You cannot have your safety blanket back in null sec, man up or GTFO.
To Nikk, stop sounding crazy. You are preaching in the wrong thread. Your local change idea is in it's own thread, noone knows what you are talking about here, and the context is making you come off nuts.
Total removal of local is bad, it makes it just like a WH. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mordus Angels
6
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:56:00 -
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Mary Annabelle wrote:Nikk Narrel wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Lousy ganker spotted. How easy it is to say anyone wanting to remove local as an instant intel source is a ganker. It is also easy to say moons are eggs for giant space dragons, or any number of unsupportable arguments. The simple fact, is local does more to help gankers right now, than it helps anyone else. As is, it's like an instant menu for the lazy... Oooo, I know that name, they mine a lot, and noone else is here right now! To OP: Cloaking is not broken, it is working as intended. Part of that intention IS to make people nervous about what is happening. You cannot have your safety blanket back in null sec, man up or GTFO.
+1
Mary Annabelle wrote:
To Nikk, stop sounding crazy. You are preaching in the wrong thread. Your local change idea is in it's own thread, noone knows what you are talking about here, and the context is making you come off nuts.
Total removal of local is bad, it makes it just like a WH.
Ah... errr...  |
Nestara Aldent
EVE University
Ivy League
40
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:15:00 -
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Alx Warlord wrote:"Woe to you, Oh Earth and Sea, for the CCP sends this with wrath, because they knows carebers also cloaks... Let him who hath understanding reckon the importance of this for it is a ship, its a cloaking ...hunter... ship...." CSM_CCP_Mettings_7-9_12_2011.pdf wrote:
Cloack Hunters: CCP brought up the possibility of a future cloak-hunting ship or mechanics as a hypothetival; this was described as 'more like finding a submarine than pulling a blanket off' a cloaked ship. the CSM was cautiously positive about the idea of a cloak-hunting vessel of some kind.
Start crying carebers becouse i will fly one of these! =D
And CCP can well FUBAR their own game.
They'll give the players gear gimmick - new ship - instead of fixing truly broken things such as HACs being in general worthless compared to cheap BCs and fixing hybrids that they arent bad compared to ACs and pulses with Scorch with either insufficient range or insufficient DPS.
And yes its "cool" to make spaceships in the far future akin to 20th century naval vessels. Only it doesnt make sense at all, both from fiction POV and from POV of game design. |
Nestara Aldent
EVE University
Ivy League
40
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:19:00 -
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Double post! |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mordus Angels
6
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:58:00 -
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Nestara Aldent wrote:And yes its "cool" to make spaceships in the far future akin to 20th century naval vessels. Only it doesnt make sense at all, both from fiction POV and from POV of game design.
I suspect it is a tool used by writers and game designers alike. You need to give the target audience something they can relate to and understand.
This explains the names of the ship types, and how they relate to each other in size and power.
Myself, I would be the guy adding a submarine to this, which I suggested in a thread here called "Seawolf in space"
(Seawolf being the most common name I knew for games involving subs, not the play style this new ship would have) |
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.01.18 20:48:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Because bringing up an idea means its implemented?
Yeah I know, CCP said they wanted to change Local Chat years ago, heck they mentioned it again in these minutes (albeit the CSM had spaz over it), and yet here we are still with Local Chat Intel.
Honestly if Local Chat Intel is gone, and what ever new Intel system is added doesn't break cloaks purpose in being hidden/sneaky I wouldn't automatically object to a cloak detecting ship assuming it had no application on Gates and took a lot of effort... think how hard it is to probe down some T3 ships.
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Ghost of Truth
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:12:00 -
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Another player that thinks Cloaks have a problem, yet he gets rushed from the same pople over and over...hmm where is the 'Local Cahnnel is the PROBLEM GODDAMIT!!".Ahh yeah there it is.
'CCP BUST Cloaking -Summer Expansion 2012' Thread is up on this same subforum.Please show your love and support and lets help CCP on their new endaevour of making a better eve.Mind the trolls on your way in! |
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