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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1620
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Posted - 2015.11.10 08:44:32 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:Please explain to me how I was proven wrong. You may have disagreed with what I said but I don't see that you've proven anything I've said wrong. You said some mmo forum jargon like "Hyperbole" and a bunch of other BS. That's how I talk in damn hyperboles!
What you stated in your first reply was pretty much silly, mistaken and showcasing a lack of understanding. The whole "you can disagree with me but you've not proven anything" is hilariously silly logic and the "I talk in hyperbole, deal with it" excuse is just that: an excuse. It doesn't somehow make it any more valid.
p.s. Both the Incursus as the Condor you killed were terrible shitfits which pretty much means they were terrible pvpers. Nothing wrong with that as such, almost all really cool "look at me getting massive amounts of kills!" YT pvp videos are more about fighting idiots than being awesome but someone who has a clue would look at those kills and go "well, perhaps I shouldn't brag about them too much". |
Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
296
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Posted - 2015.11.10 09:29:56 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Get scram/webbed in a MWD fit Daredevil and you'll asplode in short order. i would have said 'get neuted in a dd and ur dead' plenty of times ive been scram webbed in my dd, but i still get into range becasue of my 90% web and very few things like 400 dps to the face. |
Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
296
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Posted - 2015.11.10 09:34:59 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote:Next thing I know, four frigates warp right next to me simultaneously and they gang **** me in 20 seconds or less. My loot lost. My ship lost. My feeling of victory now turned to agonizing defeat and anger. That's PvP in EVE.
you are inexperienced caladan. you dont hang around and pat urself on the back.
move.
and if ur gonna head to a safe or celestial keep an eye on short 360. the moment u see combat scanner probes. move. |
Trudeaux Margaret
Imperial Guardians SpaceMonkey's Alliance
148
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Posted - 2015.11.10 10:55:43 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote: I'm a great freaking pvp'er and i know that there is nothing any mmo forum goer can say that will change that. The issue with this game is that it is full of cowards and griefers and it drives me insane. People like you ShahPoofter. "Yes, I killed those players in rookie ships, they were blocking my view". Perfect example of the mentality in this game.
He told you they were cyno ships and he wasn't joking. You can look at the loadouts if you don't believe it. Killing cyno ships is standard in low and null unless the ship is working for your alliance. If you can't figure out why, then I don't know what to say.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
903
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Posted - 2015.11.10 11:19:06 -
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to the OP I've heard other PvPers in the past recomend that new players record fights and then go back and disect them in slo-mo and learn more from each fight that way.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
903
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Posted - 2015.11.10 11:43:06 -
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Caladan Panzureborn wrote: Who are you to tell me my experience and opinions are wrong.
Just because you can't do something does not mean that a more skilled pilot on a less skill character can not accomplish what you could not.
Caladan Panzureborn wrote: I'm a great freaking pvp'er and i know that there is nothing any mmo forum goer can say that will change that.
One of the biggest obstacles to learning is knowledge. It's hard to learn something about which you think you already know everything. Humble open-minded players will learn far more than arogant know-it-all braggarts.
Eve is not like other MMOs where you can jump in and pwn in PvP in a short amount of time. If actually have only been playing this game since August that is really not enough time to become really good at PvP in this game. I mean I guess it's possible but you'd have to have lost a few hundred ships in that time to do it IMHO.
Regardless it sounds to me like you've spent too much time in other MMOs where you can jump in and insta win in a short amount of time. Eve is not that kind of MMO and I think the fact that you can't just run back from the graveyard has a way of making losses here harder to gloss over. Other MMOs keep lots of stats and provide enough ways that many people can walk away from a Battleground or what ever feeling like they carried the team or in some other way feel victorious or boost your ego.
You might be having issues with the honesty of Eve. This is not little league baseball where everyone gets taken out for ice cream afterwards.
Caladan Panzureborn wrote: Tonight I had an amazing victory followed no less than ten minutes later by a ridiculous humiliating defeat. That's why I think it takes a truly sociopathic masochist to stick with this game. I took my OP Fed Navy Comet with it's T2 fit into a FW Novice plex. Saw a Incursus alone on the D-scan. Warped in and engaged. Thirty seconds into our fight a Condor warps in a starts attacking me while I'm fighting this other dude. Long story short, I effing killed both their asses without going below 90% hull. With my suspect timer active i warp to 100km from the farthest celestial to chill out and let the timer run out so I can return to HS. Then for the next five minutes I fly with my afterburner going out to the edge of space enjoying my hard fought victory and coming down from the adrenaline high. Next thing I know, four frigates warp right next to me simultaneously and they gang **** me in 20 seconds or less. My loot lost. My ship lost. My feeling of victory now turned to agonizing defeat and anger. That's PvP in EVE.
This above quote to me demonstrates what Eve is all about. If that kind of gameplay isn't your thing maybe this game is not for you. If you are looking for Hyper-balanced dumbed down PvP where you can run into a 10 v 10 fight and button mash your way to more kills than respawns then go play Battlefront or CoD or WoW or any of the other thousands of games that provide that.
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1621
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Posted - 2015.11.10 11:44:29 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:to the OP I've heard other PvPers in the past recomend that new players record fights and then go back and disect them in slo-mo and learn more from each fight that way.
Yup, that's a very good idea. What also helps is that every time you lose a fight you look up that person's killboard and try to figure out what fit he was using (he's bound to have lost a similar one, at some point) and then assess how and why it went wrong and what, if anything, you could have done to win that fight. |
Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
1294
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Posted - 2015.11.10 16:18:07 -
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Lots of great responses here already so I won't go into too much detail. However I will say that the Rifter and Slasher are quite underwhelming for me, the reason being, they are too "well rounded". The 4-3-3 slot layout on the Rifter means it can armor tank, or shield tank, but it can't do either really really well like a ship with 4 mids or 4 lows could. There are many ways to win fights, but most of them involve picking some attribute which your ship is already good at and abusing it like crazy. IE pick a high damage ship (ie blaster atron) and fit it for damage to overwhelm your opponent before they can do much to you. Or pick a really tanky ship (ie rep incursus) and fit it for maximum tank so you can outlast your opponent, no matter how much dps they do. Or pick a very fast ship and fit it for speed (ie breacher) so that it can kite outside the enemies effective range.
Now I don't find the Rifter particularly great at anything. It is somewhat faster than other frigs so it has some potential to scram-kite (keep at range near the edge of your warp scrambler range), however the "meh" dps and "meh" tank from it's slot layout has never inspired me.
Now if you want a really great minmatar frigate, I LOVE the breacher. It's 4 mids and shield rep bonus let you fit a massive tank, it's quite fast, and missile provide a lot of flexibility in engagement profile because you can either orbit close to mess up your opponents tracking (good tactic against lasers or long range weapons), or pull range to get out of short-range turrets (blasters and autocannons). It will require training some missile/drone skills though, which is something of a commitment as a new player when you've already started on turrets.
It's not the only way to win though. You can win fights with any ship in the game with some pre-planning (I have literally lost ships to battle herons). Just try to follow the guidelines I mention here. 1) What is your ship good at and how can you abuse it 2) What is your target good at and how can you avoid it 3) How can you mess up/ avoid /tank his damage while maximizing your own?
PS check out this video on tracking mechanics. While it focuses on larger ships vs. smaller ships, it will help you understand what tactics to use against enemies with short or long range turrets. The next step is learning to identify quickly what you are up against (ie is that a blaster comet or a rail comet?) and respond accordingly.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2011
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Posted - 2015.11.10 17:30:19 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:to the OP I've heard other PvPers in the past recomend that new players record fights and then go back and disect them in slo-mo and learn more from each fight that way.
a very good suggestion. Even watching some of the best pvpers in game you can catch them making mistakes in their videos. Things like forgetting to turn on a damage control, mismanaging heat, or clicking on the wrong target are all common mistakes.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1087
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Posted - 2015.11.10 18:46:48 -
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Moose doing Moosethings wrote:
My question is twofold: Am I dying horribly because I'm using meta instead of t2? The strength differences between meta and t2 make me think that t2 is the minimum for solo pvp.
Probably not, at least not most of the time. If you're dying horribly, that's unlikely to be corrected by fitting T2. If you're dying and they're close fights, then yeah, there's a really good chance upgrades might swing it your way.
Quote: And Are t1 frigates in general just not suited for solo pvp? In faction warfare, the game seems to be dominated by Comets, Hookbills, t3ds, some assault frigates, and the very occasional tristan. Should I just fly Firetails or Wolves?
Taken together: Am I getting steamrolled, because I'm hopelessly outclassed the moment I undock?
Well, no, but you do have to learn what represents a reasonable target for you. T1 frigates have a lot of control over what they engage - if you're in a fight in a T1 frigate, you probably chose to be there. If you #YOLO your AC rifter into a Catalyst, yeah, you're outclassed and dead.
Your fits need damage controls (most fits do).
Anyway, listen to ShahFluffers.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Moose doing Moosethings
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Squids
9
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Posted - 2015.11.23 08:46:37 -
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Turns out, you guys were right.
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Azda Ja
BUMP POW
4548
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Posted - 2015.11.23 10:04:50 -
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Moose doing Moosethings wrote:
Awesome job!
I see you transplanted the dual web arty Firetail fit to a Slasher. Good thinking!
Grrr.
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Skyweir Kinnison
Coldhammer Harvest LLC
144
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Posted - 2015.11.23 10:21:09 -
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Moose doing Moosethings wrote:
May I just say, you are a real inspiration to new players. This thread has brought out some of the best advice I've seen from the excellent posters, and your kill noted above, plus your killboard shows that with hard work and listening, one can improve to the point of making a solo kill.
I only hope i can learn as well as you do - but thank you (and to those who have posted advice) for the good example.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1705
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Posted - 2015.11.23 21:08:44 -
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Very good advice here and congrats to the Firetail kill
One thing I want to add, maybe venturing a bit in other regions of FW ... just around Kinakka you find all the elite PvPers. Search and try fighting players of your age.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
754
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:33:31 -
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Kinakka area is full of linked shitlords. Roam elsewhere. Slashers and rifters are trash. Anyone who says otherwise is nitpicking on the assumption of specific matchups that you won't find often enough to justify the effort. The best minmatar T1 is the breacher; there are multiple viable fits and I don't fly it so I can't tell you which is best.
The Federation Navy Comet is the god of frigates. Specifically, the AB scram kite variant with 150MM rails, dual mag stabs and SAAR. The blaster variant is fun (350 DPS on a frigate is always fun) but the rail comet reigns supreme with its amazing versatility and application. It can engage at all ranges, and the foundation of a 4k EHP hull tank + another 3k from shield/armor and heated SAAR makes it one of the toughest frigates in the game. With two flights of light drones for added mobile firepower, this ship, when properly fit and flown, can outfly and outfight any other T1 or navy frig in the game and can go toe to toe with some pirate and T2 frigates with better than even odds for victory.
Solo frig pvp = comet. That simple really. |
Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
300
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Posted - 2015.11.26 09:53:19 -
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chremoas begs to differ
but seriously succubus or dd imo |
Kurja Nikuvo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.11.26 11:48:39 -
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Moose doing Moosethings wrote:The strength differences between meta and t2 make me think that t2 is the minimum for solo pvp. Basically yeah.
Moose doing Moosethings wrote:Taken together: Am I getting steamrolled, because I'm hopelessly outclassed the moment I undock? Welcome to Eve, the game where it takes at least 6 months of highly specialized training to not be completely useless. I biomassed and have tried to come back, but just couldn't bring myself to until they announced the SP selling item. Eve is the least newbie friendly MMO ever made. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
234
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Posted - 2015.11.26 12:27:44 -
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Kurja Nikuvo wrote:Moose doing Moosethings wrote:Taken together: Am I getting steamrolled, because I'm hopelessly outclassed the moment I undock? Welcome to Eve, the game where it takes at least 6 months of highly specialized training to not be completely useless. I biomassed and have tried to come back, but just couldn't bring myself to until they announced the SP selling item. Eve is the least newbie friendly MMO ever made.
Same issue with me (not PvP although the skills for PvP I had trained).
You should never really biomass a character that you've used for sometime. Because EvE is such a slow game to get into, you can easily start to get bored with it before you even really get that involved in it.
Of course if you actually were new then it would be somewhat different as you would have things to explore. Although it still takes a long time to get into.
I also agree with your comments. It isn't the most newbie friendly game.
One of the reasons people play an MMO is for the interaction with other players, even if that is just for the in-game chat. EvE doesn't really do well in that capacity either. The only chat that is even remotely useful is Rookie Help. In the past NPC corp chat wasn't too bad in fact it was better than some player corps. But now NPC corp. chat seems to be dead for the most part, I think the bounty system has a lot to do with that. There's been quite a few new players that have not liked having bounties placed on them for no other reason than they actually said something in chat (that something could just have been 'Hi'). |
Trudeaux Margaret
Imperial Guardians SpaceMonkey's Alliance
190
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Posted - 2015.11.26 13:08:09 -
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Kurja Nikuvo wrote:Moose doing Moosethings wrote:The strength differences between meta and t2 make me think that t2 is the minimum for solo pvp. Basically yeah. Moose doing Moosethings wrote:Taken together: Am I getting steamrolled, because I'm hopelessly outclassed the moment I undock? Welcome to Eve, the game where it takes at least 6 months of highly specialized training to not be completely useless. I biomassed and have tried to come back, but just couldn't bring myself to until they announced the SP selling item. Eve is the least newbie friendly MMO ever made.
This is just so wrong on so many levels. It's true that EVE is very old-school and that if you're used to League of Legends or even World of Warcraft, you're in for a relatively long train to reach certain goals. But saying "completely useless" is ridiculous. Depending on what those goals are, from Day 1 if you're getting out and doing things, you're learning. If your goal is to gank things and wardec, you can do that pretty much immediately -- within the first week. If you want to be a mission runner, you can do that immediately. If you want to join a lowsec or nullsec group and get involved in all that -- you can -- and you'll be flying frigate tackle or EWAR at first until you can fly a cruiser, neither of which is useless unless you just have a terrible attitude and want to be in a battleship or something immediately. Kind of like wanting to jumping into arenas or raiding immediately after making your first character in another MMO.
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Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
300
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Posted - 2015.11.26 14:24:04 -
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its the defeatist attitude, just ignore it. |
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
1325
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Posted - 2015.11.26 15:48:27 -
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Ignore these ridiculous people, you're doing great! I'm your biggest fan!
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Azda Ja
Meticulously Indifferent
4562
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Posted - 2015.11.26 15:50:22 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Ignore these ridiculous people, you're doing great! Azda's your biggest fan! FTFY.
Grrr.
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Bastion Arzi
Angry Mustellid Decayed Orbit
306
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Posted - 2015.11.30 18:37:18 -
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you know asda is a supermaket in england |
Azda Ja
Meticulously Indifferent
4568
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Posted - 2015.12.01 03:30:49 -
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Bastion Arzi wrote:you know asda is a supermaket in england a++daja
Grrr.
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