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TJ17
Gallente Dread Elite The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.01.02 08:41:00 -
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i argee with deltah but the bpos and isk wernt given into the alliance a whole meaning everyone got a share the next in line from cyvok got all the assets including the isk from insurance and the fund raiser
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Mirasta
Caldari Enigma Enterprises Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.01.02 09:22:00 -
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Create an alt to run LVL1 agents in low sec in it.
Of couse, You are now reading my sig.
Goon FC:"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Elaron
Originally by: Ikvar The only decent thing to do would be to pirate in it.
Could you imagine the bodycount in Amamake?
Yeah, it'd be like... six
It'd be pretty funny to probe down mission runners and doomsday them though
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:07:00 -
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"My" honest opinion is that the day the Titan died ASCN did.
If we didnt kill that Titan I think ASCN would still be active and not folding and people bailing as fast as they are.
That Titan was alot of hard work from ALOT of people. And I am sure they were all crushed to see the killmail..
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Elaron
Minmatar Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar Yeah, it'd be like... six
It'd be pretty funny to probe down mission runners and doomsday them though
"Why is there a cyno field here?"
*BOOOM*!
"Ahh."
In EVE, you can fit to gank, tank or tackle. Pick any two. |
Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: Elaron
Originally by: Ikvar The only decent thing to do would be to pirate in it.
Could you imagine the bodycount in Amamake?
Yeah, it'd be like... six
It'd be pretty funny to probe down mission runners and doomsday them though
I thought you couldn't jump straight into a mission and would have to approach the mission runner slowly after using the acceleration gate (which capital ships can't) of course I've only been in some one elses mission once Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:54:00 -
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I don't really think its a valid question.
The loss of the Titan is what destroyed ASCN. It caused CYVOK to leave in shame, and it was the nail in the coffin for ASCN's morale. They crumbled within days.
I think they'd still be hanging in there if CYVOK had not logged out.
Shamis
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Drakma
Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: ponieus "My" honest opinion is that the day the Titan died ASCN did.
If we didnt kill that Titan I think ASCN would still be active and not folding and people bailing as fast as they are.
That Titan was alot of hard work from ALOT of people. And I am sure they were all crushed to see the killmail..
The alliance was dead on the 2nd day of the TPAR assault when corporations who were tasked to do something failed to do so. New Sig Coming |
aeti
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar It'd be pretty funny to probe down mission runners and doomsday them though
you can't activate the dd in lowsec nor can it fit into the missions via the accel gates and you cannot open a cyno in deadspace
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: ponieus "My" honest opinion is that the day the Titan died ASCN did.
If we didnt kill that Titan I think ASCN would still be active and not folding and people bailing as fast as they are.
That Titan was alot of hard work from ALOT of people. And I am sure they were all crushed to see the killmail..
The alliance was dead on the 2nd day of the TPAR assault when corporations who were tasked to do something failed to do so.
well.. I was gonna type some long winded post on how the true fighters of ASCN gave it thier all but truth be told your kinda right. In war if just one person or corp doesnt do what they need to do they are setting up to fail.
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry
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Posted - 2007.01.03 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: Elaron
Originally by: Ikvar The only decent thing to do would be to pirate in it.
Could you imagine the bodycount in Amamake?
Yeah, it'd be like... six
It'd be pretty funny to probe down mission runners and doomsday them though
I thought you couldn't jump straight into a mission and would have to approach the mission runner slowly after using the acceleration gate (which capital ships can't) of course I've only been in some one elses mission once
Two words. Remote Activation.
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Vadoc Trax
Caldari Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.01.03 03:37:00 -
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Can't make a cyno in the mission, and the Titan has to be in the same system. Thus, no remote activation. -------------------------------------------------- Rule #37: There is no ôoverkillö. There is only ôopen fireö and ôI need to reloadö. |
hired goon
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: ponieus
That Titan was alot of hard work from ALOT of people. And I am sure they were all crushed to see the killmail..
I don't know about that. If it was anything like our titan, nobody feels that attachment because nobody knew it existed. I think the command corps just had some spare money and nothing better to do.
I actually found out we had an Erebus from BoB guys at a london meet. -omg-
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Niraco79
Gallente Hunters Agency
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: ponieus "My" honest opinion is that the day the Titan died ASCN did.
If we didnt kill that Titan I think ASCN would still be active and not folding and people bailing as fast as they are.
That Titan was alot of hard work from ALOT of people. And I am sure they were all crushed to see the killmail..
I was out of ASCN when titan died and still stayed 5 minutes to really understood what happenned and was sad for that loss. i know cause i fought long months to secure and defend d-f 10/10 plex which money funded partially that titan.
And drakma..that u think..maybe that`s why those who fought in gq2 for almost 1 month did not got the support they deserved. And yes i know that too cause i was there with this char or my alt day by day until i bailed from ASCN. Ask goberius, sladge bruty, sentineel eeex, mccool or other that were there day by day too. those 20 to 40 man really defended ASCN. rest stayed to fight for "their home" or made OP`s.
As for OriginalPoster i really wanted that titan o die glorious in battle takin half of a bob fleet with it and makin 2000 post thread in this forum of the memorable and one time only experience. But instead died unmannened. Only space could heard those crewmembers screamin when they knew their ship pilot was in coma and the ship was not responding
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 03/01/2007 13:07:10 It would have made zero difference to the outcome, it just gave people an easy excuse to fold earlier than they had been planning to (like people leaving to form pvp corps that they created some 6 weeks prior to actually leaving the alliance ) and to blame someone else for the fall of the alliance rather than looking in the mirror.
edit: spelling
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Drakma
Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 03/01/2007 13:07:10 It would have made zero difference to the outcome, it just gave people an easy excuse to fold earlier than they had been planning to (like people leaving to form pvp corps that they created some 6 weeks prior to actually leaving the alliance ) and to blame someone else for the fall of the alliance rather than looking in the mirror.
edit: spelling
Ah, yes, the fall of ASCN is all my fault. I should have gone door-to-door and talked personally to every member that didn't participate...
Or... maybe I should have called an ASCN-wide mining op in TPAR?
NO WAIT! I should have threatened people with bodily harm with rusty utensils... wait already done...
OH I GOT IT! I should have gotten everybody's login credentials and logged them all on!!
Fact of the matter was there was a fundamental break down in the way that ASCN operated. When you have CEO's that lie to the HC, refuse to do something or even say they will do it then don't, you're dead.
Point in fact. The first survey that was conducted by CEO's before the war was, "how many dread pilots do you have." The answer was somewhere around 110. After the TPAR failure, the same survey was taken and suddenly we're down to 65-ish (still not bad). After PS fell, the same thing was done and from the responses gathered we had to estimate around 20.
So, coming from am ex-ASCN HC, I'll be sure to take my SHARE of the blame. But hoisting the fault for all of ASCN's failures on HC alone is wrong; it was the fault of people from top to bottom.
So Fitz, maybe it's time you pulled that stick out of your ass, I think it's making you grumpy.
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Benny Hill
Caldari Deceased Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:29:00 -
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This thread is as useless as staring a thread "What is there was no lag for this [insert any system name at any date and time] fleet battle?"
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Angelus X
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma [So, coming from am ex-ASCN HC, I'll be sure to take my SHARE of the blame. But hoisting the fault for all of ASCN's failures on HC alone is wrong; it was the fault of people from top to bottom.
So Fitz, maybe it's time you pulled that stick out of your ass, I think it's making you grumpy.
OooooOOohhhhh, can you feel the hate?
(P.S. maybe the rather long period between when ASCN was formed, and when it died, while you had a rather clueless executor in charge could be responsible for some of the failures? ) -----
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Drakma
Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Angelus X
OooooOOohhhhh, can you feel the hate?
Yes, it's the kind of hate that burns with the intensity of 10,000 small toaster ovens.
Quote:
(P.S. maybe the rather long period between when ASCN was formed, and when it died, while you had a rather clueless executor in charge could be responsible for some of the failures? )
If that was directed at me, I think you'll find that I said the problems existed from the top to the bottom. Unless somehow that Executor was immune to prepositions.
Gekidoku is recruiting. Do you have what it takes? |
Everbane
Underworld Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine "BoB already has 2 titans.
dont thay?"
Supposedly that second titan was just unindentified pilot waving their e-peen during the fleet op... an easy mistake to make, really :/
Now you know the truth kids - playing with their peens during fleet ops is the secret to BoB's uberness.
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Grr Ibite
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.04 05:13:00 -
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Tbh if I had a titan with no alliance to protect me I'd probably equip mining lasers and mine veldspar. That or try to arrange a 1v1 with BoBs titan. If its gonna die anyways might as well go out in style^^
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Kitia
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 03/01/2007 13:07:10 It would have made zero difference to the outcome, it just gave people an easy excuse to fold earlier than they had been planning to (like people leaving to form pvp corps that they created some 6 weeks prior to actually leaving the alliance <snip>
Ah, yes, the fall of ASCN is all my fault. I should have gone door-to-door and talked personally to every member that didn't participate... <snip>
You know I think some people need to stop playing the blame game,We are all responsible for our actions, the fall of ASCN was for a number of reasons, some played a larger part than others, But there was no single reason and I donÆt see the point in pointing fingers to single any one of these out.
<shakes head>
I was there, I was in TPAR, I was in PS, I was in AZN, I was there I shot things and I had fun doing it. *waves to bob thanks for the fights* Could I have done more, could I have logged in more and spent every spare second fighting. Then the answer is yes. Why did I not, well because I have a life.
I consider myself responsible for its fall as much as the next grunt does. In so far as my own actions goes. Do I feel the need to blame, then no I donÆt
Kitia
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Lord Wing
DarkVengeance
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Posted - 2007.01.31 00:11:00 -
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ASCN were simply overstreched and under-united, wheter HC were lied to or HC sent out **** orders either way, ASCN was not a true challenge to the BoB machine. will be very fun to see how they fair against a united front such as D2 or LV. |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.31 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Elaron
Originally by: Ikvar The only decent thing to do would be to pirate in it.
Could you imagine the bodycount in Amamake?
The biggest help itd be is that it'd give nice gang bonuses to everyone else. As far as its own pwnage goes, it'd need to use smartbombs to do any killing on its own. You can't fire a DDD in lowsec if you were thinking along those lines.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Coasterbrian
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.01.31 01:38:00 -
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ASCN's fundamental problem from about the third or fourth month of its existance is that individual corps were given far too much autonomy. Corps were not held accountable for their participation (I think a total of two corps were kicked out in the entire history of the alliance), so in the end nobody gave two ****s about orders because they knew there wouldn't be any repercussions (beyond a slap on the hand) for doing exactly what pleased them.
CYVOK's fundamental flaw was always that he was both too trusting (that people would do what they said they'd do) and not trusting enough (to give HC enough power to kick the asses of people that didn't step into line).
Actually, I can and probably will write an essay on where and why ASCN went wrong, but don't feel like it right now.
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The Speaker
The Clue Factory
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Posted - 2007.01.31 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tritessa Pilkington What really boggles my mind is that the Titan had a real world value of $25,000 dollars if you convert it using the current isk seller's rate. Cyvok basically lost the same as if he had driven a Mustang into a phone pole and totalled it.
Well, crushing a Mustang into a phone pole isn't really a bad thing. More like a public service. Then again, one could probably point out the same for the Titan - so fair enough point I guess.
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Grimpak
Gallente Twisted Attitude Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.01.31 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 03/01/2007 13:07:10 It would have made zero difference to the outcome, it just gave people an easy excuse to fold earlier than they had been planning to (like people leaving to form pvp corps that they created some 6 weeks prior to actually leaving the alliance ) and to blame someone else for the fall of the alliance rather than looking in the mirror.
edit: spelling
Ah, yes, the fall of ASCN is all my fault. I should have gone door-to-door and talked personally to every member that didn't participate...
Or... maybe I should have called an ASCN-wide mining op in TPAR?
NO WAIT! I should have threatened people with bodily harm with rusty utensils... wait already done...
OH I GOT IT! I should have gotten everybody's login credentials and logged them all on!!
Fact of the matter was there was a fundamental break down in the way that ASCN operated. When you have CEO's that lie to the HC, refuse to do something or even say they will do it then don't, you're dead.
Point in fact. The first survey that was conducted by CEO's before the war was, "how many dread pilots do you have." The answer was somewhere around 110. After the TPAR failure, the same survey was taken and suddenly we're down to 65-ish (still not bad). After PS fell, the same thing was done and from the responses gathered we had to estimate around 20.
So, coming from am ex-ASCN HC, I'll be sure to take my SHARE of the blame. But hoisting the fault for all of ASCN's failures on HC alone is wrong; it was the fault of people from top to bottom.
So Fitz, maybe it's time you pulled that stick out of your ass, I think it's making you grumpy.
come on, you guys both know that it was my fault. -------
Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Firane
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.31 03:13:00 -
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I see your Necromancy IV and raise you my Necromancy V. --- It's great not caring, isn't it?
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Devine Asquith
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Posted - 2007.01.31 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: The Speaker
Originally by: Tritessa Pilkington What really boggles my mind is that the Titan had a real world value of $25,000 dollars if you convert it using the current isk seller's rate. Cyvok basically lost the same as if he had driven a Mustang into a phone pole and totalled it.
Well, crushing a Mustang into a phone pole isn't really a bad thing. More like a public service. Then again, one could probably point out the same for the Titan - so fair enough point I guess.
This math is faulty at best, given that your average 90d GTC goes for 300-340million and sells for around $36-40 US then 1 Billion ISK = 100-120 USD, A titan costing say (and I don't know the real cost here) 30 billion would therefore cost no more than 3200 USD in total. More like wreaking a top end PC or TV than a car.
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Aeon Yakati
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.31 12:12:00 -
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He would have gotten himself in a situation with no way out eventually, and then self destruct in ASCN style.
2006.12.18 23:46:07 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
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