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Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.10.28 16:27:09 -
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I wondered how long it'd be before there were competing offer styles on this board.
Interested Party (TM)
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Yong Shin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.28 17:40:32 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:I been wanting to do a LONG term bond for a while now, since my investors are sad even when I close my bond after 6 months. So with the new XL citadel BPOs came a perfect opportunity. Therefore my proposition is as follows :
Chribba buys 2 citadel BPO maybe 3, depending on number of investors.
Chribba will receive 140b / 210b ISK, as collateral from me. This is to over collateralize the bond (as per standard), and cover and loss of value and ensure my best behavior :)
I think you might be missing a zero on the right hand end of the collateral(s) ? If not enjoy a most profitable default :)
Not quite. The 140B/210B is solely for over-collateral, as is the standard (collateral must be higher value than the market value). Chribba buys and holds the BPOs, so he's actually holding the real collateral. The 140/210B is just 10% on top of that. |
virm pasuul
FRISKY BUSINESS. No Handlebars.
337
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Posted - 2015.10.28 17:47:46 -
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fair enough, that makes sense thanks |
Historically Unstable
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.28 21:15:57 -
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Interested in a 5-10bil investment. Will keep monitoring this thread daily. |
Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
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Posted - 2015.10.29 00:15:36 -
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If you look to the copy history and its prices regarding titan bpos. What are your expectations about these copies? Im talking here about initial supply and demand. How many alliances or ultra rich investment solo'ists / groups would you think, also will jump in on this? And in what effect would you estimate your ROI on that? |
Droodid
Antec Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.10.29 00:17:30 -
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Pencil me in for around 150-200b depending on start date. |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.29 06:15:00 -
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As always nice to see support :)
Remember that pledges and sizes will be used to determine who gets in the end, as per last time.
There are still many details that needs to be sorted out, but we are working on it :)
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2015.10.29 16:04:35 -
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I'm still a poor but I would like to put 5B in if the timing works out.
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Illusive Man Cerberas
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.10.29 20:14:43 -
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This is very interesting, as of right now you can put me down for 60b. This is due to change to be higher by the time the bond actually starts. |
Marcion Cravik
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.10.29 20:28:06 -
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I'd like to reserve 10b if possible. |
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Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi Behold.
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Posted - 2015.10.29 22:18:40 -
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Might be interested in taking a chunk of this one if I sell assets I'm sitting on.
WTS Augmented drones lol |
Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.10.30 09:06:43 -
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Would probably be interested in 40b
If I understood correctly, you are offering either no risk fixed return, or profit share (with risk attached)? If so I may be interested in the latter but assume we would be able to get a handle on some potential numbers before commencement. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2015.10.30 11:21:23 -
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Magnu Stormhawk wrote:Would probably be interested in 40b
If I understood correctly, you are offering either no risk fixed return, or profit share (with risk attached)? If so I may be interested in the latter but assume we would be able to get a handle on some potential numbers before commencement.
As i understood it's currently just so that AE get's an idea of what numbers he can work with as the details are not outlined yet.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Mare Crisium Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.10.30 16:02:16 -
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Krevnos wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:This is all depending on : Chribba wanting to take part. Numbers still show profit after the details are written in STONE. Enough investors. an all the details can be agreed on by all involved.
The bond owner are the ones running the risk. I'm not investing all my ISK into this, so I can do my other trade ventures still, but also I can cover interest for a least a few months. This have been the standard for all my bonds.
Exit plan is to keep covering interest, until BPOs can be sold, and investors are returned their investments in full. And if need be, use my 10% collateral to fill in any gab. Thank you, Angelica. On the basis that profitability is indicated once the full details are divulged regarding these blueprints and Chribba is interested in taking part in this venture, I will commit to investing 200B with the bond holders.
I don't understand why profitability of the BPO is relevant to this structure.
Interested Party (TM)
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2015.10.30 16:51:01 -
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Dethmourne Silvermane wrote:I don't understand why profitability of the BPO is relevant to this structure. The longevity of the investment will be somewhat predicated on the BPO being profitable. |
Angelica Everstar
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Posted - 2015.10.30 22:08:24 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:The bond owners, which at this point already includes a few people, but is still open to more. Could we have a list of names?
Angelica Everstar + 2 other cabal members. Bad Bobby Dethmourne Silvermane Sabriz Adoudel (maybe)
As of now, I don't think we need more. Now we "just" need to sort out the details and plan.
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Lando Antilles
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Posted - 2015.10.30 23:21:30 -
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I'd like to reserve 100 bill.
Looking forward to it. |
merlin westfield
Asphalt Inc
0
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Posted - 2015.10.31 09:45:02 -
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can I reserve 20 b please |
Ineed Aname
Electronic Frontier N.A.
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Posted - 2015.10.31 10:35:43 -
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I would be to throw in 30 billion if this pans out. |
Tillsbury Billingtons
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.11.03 01:37:05 -
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Seems interesting. I can risk a 5B flutter. |
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Patty Stacker
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.11.03 09:09:00 -
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I'm a bit late to the party but if there is still availability put me down for 40b. |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2015.11.03 23:27:16 -
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Angelica Everstar wrote:
Angelica Everstar + 2 other cabal members.
Which alts will you chose? i understand the need to have voting power, so why involve anyone else? it would probs be better if you handled it yourself.
Angelica Everstar wrote: Bad Bobby
A great choice, except for the whole Titans 4 u thing.... put him behind the wheel of this and i'm sure it will go places.... (into his wallet)
Angelica Everstar wrote: Dethmourne Silvermane
i understand offering this guy a spot here make sense as he posted a thread also, but you may want to check into this guy. the word flake comes to mind, as in has fallen asleep on investments and had horrible judgment investing in scams for days. i wouldn't trust him with a coffee order, let alone a complex investment scam.
Angelica Everstar wrote: Sabriz Adoudel (maybe)
Why would you trust a code guy with the location and intel of a 2.1 t project?
Naive investors, you can do better than 1.5%, in 10 minutes of trading. I get the whole i want to invest and make friends roleplay but this one is going to head south if its structured to involve any of these clowns.
not worthy of 20b |
Aker Krane
OMEGADYNE LABS Rising Darkness
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Posted - 2015.11.04 15:22:46 -
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Was wondering what you think the ROI on these things are going to be.
Given the first Dev Blog on this, the copy time is ridiculous and makes these things a losing proposition on a fairly massive scale.
I know they are re-looking at the copy time, but I am curious to know at what point you would NOT go forward with this investment.
Lastly, If you had the available funds to buy one yourself (we know you do), why would you just not do that? I get that you might have a liquidity issue in the short term, but is it more than that? Is it that there is too much risk for an individual investor, or that the ROI would likely not justify that level of commitment? Or both?
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Cyber Mana
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.15 09:57:17 -
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I would like to reserve 50bill also if possible:) |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
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Posted - 2015.11.15 12:25:19 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Angelica Everstar wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel (maybe)
Why would you trust a code guy with the location and intel of a 2.1 t project? Naive investors, you can do better than 1.5%, in 10 minutes of trading. I get the whole i want to invest and make friends roleplay but this one is going to head south if its structured to involve any of these clowns. not worthy of 20b
I'm sure Angelica Everstar is more than capable of taking the necessary opsec measures to deal with people he doesn't trust. (Edit: I just assume he doesn't trust me; if he does trust me my confidence in his judgement has just gone down)
The proposed structure of the bond should leave three risks to the principal:
1) Intentional default by Chribba
2) A combination of negligence from Chribba and an intentional default by Grendell.
3) Gross incompetence from Angelica Everstar
Those risks are non-zero but comfortably low for me.
That said anyone who doesn't trust the structure of the deal should not invest in any form.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Pelle Wittewoa
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.15 16:21:59 -
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Im reading no expectations. Are you going to sell me0 prints, or are you going to research ect ect, how many do you expect to sell when? What are the copy lengths? When do you think it is being paided back in full, based on selling and copy lengths expectations? How can you make a business plan without having this info straighten out? |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5517
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:10:01 -
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Pelle Wittewoa wrote:Im reading no expectations. Are you going to sell me0 prints, or are you going to research ect ect, how many do you expect to sell when? What are the copy lengths? When do you think it is being paided back in full, based on selling and copy lengths expectations? How can you make a business plan without having this info straighten out?
That information cannot be decided until the copy times and ME research tier are finalized by CCP.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
339
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:52:52 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:tl:dr
Theres no real reason to involve anyone else but OP & a third party.
involving you & bobby is a liability. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5517
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Posted - 2015.11.16 00:45:55 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:tl:dr Theres no real reason to involve anyone else but OP & a third party. involving you & bobby is a liability.
You don't understand what is going on here.
OP is offering two different investments here.
Option 1: You personally loan the OP ISK at a rate of 1.5% per month (which the OP will invest at his own risk in Option 2)
OR
Option 2: You become part owner in one of the Citadel BPOs, which will be under the operational control of Chribba. Before entering into this consortium, you would decide whether or not you are happy with OP's proposed control structure for the assets.
Both would be structured in a manner where the theft risk was concentrated in the hands of Chribba.
Option 2 interests me, although whether or not I actually pull the trigger on it is a decision I have not yet made. I am leaning toward forming my own smaller consortium and buying the 70b BPO for the large citadel instead.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
340
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Posted - 2015.11.16 01:19:08 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:tl:dr Theres no real reason to involve anyone else but OP & a third party. involving you & bobby is a liability. You don't understand what is going on here. OP is offering two different investments here. Option 1: You personally loan the OP ISK at a rate of 1.5% per month (which the OP will invest at his own risk in Option 2) OR Option 2: You become part owner in one of the Citadel BPOs, which will be under the operational control of Chribba. Before entering into this consortium, you would decide whether or not you are happy with OP's proposed control structure for the assets. Both would be structured in a manner where the theft risk was concentrated in the hands of Chribba. Option 2 interests me, although whether or not I actually pull the trigger on it is a decision I have not yet made. I am leaning toward forming my own smaller consortium and buying the 70b BPO for the large citadel instead.
Regardless of structure, involving questionable players/alliances will not do the OP any favors, it will leave a bad taste in the mouth of any option 1 investor.
Questionable players implying you & your gank bear alliance, Bobby - stealing titan BPOs in T4U & silvermoon - known flake. regardless of structure, OP will be tarnished by your reputations simply by association. get it now? |
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