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Jason Zachary
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Posted - 2006.12.28 05:06:00 -
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Which cruiser should I go with? I plan to mainly run combat missions and go ratting but I would also like to have the ability to mine somewhat effectively. I realize that the thorax is more of a mining cruiser while the vexor is more tailored to combat but I'm wondering how big the difference really is. If someone could offer some experience here that would be great.
Thanks, Maladon
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GC13
Caldari Derelik Trading Company
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Posted - 2006.12.28 05:26:00 -
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Eh? The Thorax may be better at mining, but that doesn't mean it's more of a mining cruiser. It's a hardcore combat ship, you better believe.
The Thorax will work out better for you unless you're heavily invested in your drones. Still, that's not to say that the Vexor is a slouch or anything.
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Matae
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Posted - 2006.12.28 07:28:00 -
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The vexor I think I would be more tailored to what you want to do. It also will take less skills in drones compaired to gunnery. On the flip side their are quite a few drone annoyances to contend with during missions and these change from patch to patch.
Really I guess it boils down to: Do you want to orbit and pew pew yourself or keep at range and watch the drones pew pew? Both are good ships although I would give mining the edge to the drone line and the hybrid the edge to pvp.
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Na'Thuul
Caldari Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.28 07:57:00 -
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The Thorax is NOT a miningcruiser. Anyone using it for such tasks should be podded repeatedly.
Like Guns? Thorax Like Drones? Vexor
Simple ---
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Caleb Paine
Infinite Technologies
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Posted - 2006.12.28 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Na'Thuul The Thorax is NOT a miningcruiser. Anyone using it for such tasks should be podded repeatedly.
Like Guns? Thorax Like Drones? Vexor
Simple
For PVE/PVP you are correct but if a Gallente pilot wants to get himself a mining cruiser and be able to fend off rats the Thorax works just nicely.
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Seltrin
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Posted - 2006.12.28 10:10:00 -
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Sorry for posing a noobish question but why is the Thorax presented as a blaster boat while the Vexor as a drone boat(on the forum fitting indexes mostly). As far as I can figure it the only difference is that the Thorax is slightly larger(with the PG/CPU/Speed differences that that implies), has one extra turret slot and a bonus to MWD instead of drones. It's also an extra 3 mill on average in cost.
However since most low SP fits use light guns and no MWD I really fail to see any real difference between the Thor and the Vex when it comes to non-drone damage. Ok, the Thor will have an extra turret whereas the Vex will use a Nos. What am I missing?
More than that, I have mostly Gunnery skills with only about 50k in drones, yet i can't see how an extra turret will be worth more than 30% extra drone damage for my 4 drones, especially since I can think of a lot of pluses to having the Nos anyway.
Again, I admit my lack of experience, but when I decided to purchase the Vex I did it even though I had limited drone skills and so far it doesn't seem like a bad idea at all, so I'm curious to see what I'm missing.
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Na'Thuul
Caldari Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Caleb Paine
Originally by: Na'Thuul The Thorax is NOT a miningcruiser. Anyone using it for such tasks should be podded repeatedly.
Like Guns? Thorax Like Drones? Vexor
Simple
For PVE/PVP you are correct but if a Gallente pilot wants to get himself a mining cruiser and be able to fend off rats the Thorax works just nicely.
But the Vexor with yield bonus on miningdrones will work better, and still have room for combat drones with its 75m3 drone bay ---
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.12.28 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Seltrin Sorry for posing a noobish question but why is the Thorax presented as a blaster boat while the Vexor as a drone boat(on the forum fitting indexes mostly). As far as I can figure it the only difference is that the Thorax is slightly larger(with the PG/CPU/Speed differences that that implies), has one extra turret slot and a bonus to MWD instead of drones. It's also an extra 3 mill on average in cost.
However since most low SP fits use light guns and no MWD I really fail to see any real difference between the Thor and the Vex when it comes to non-drone damage. Ok, the Thor will have an extra turret whereas the Vex will use a Nos. What am I missing?
More than that, I have mostly Gunnery skills with only about 50k in drones, yet i can't see how an extra turret will be worth more than 30% extra drone damage for my 4 drones, especially since I can think of a lot of pluses to having the Nos anyway.
Again, I admit my lack of experience, but when I decided to purchase the Vex I did it even though I had limited drone skills and so far it doesn't seem like a bad idea at all, so I'm curious to see what I'm missing.
Its been a while since I've flown a Vexor, but here goes....
The MWD eats cap like crazy, and kills 25% capacity just by fitting it. Having that reduced to 5% with level 4 Cruiser skill (or 0% at level 5) is a huge advantage, because the thorax is light enough to close range quickly, and can orbit and blast away. Damage per second with the Blasters, especially Tech 2 Blasters, is sick... and with decent grid skills, you can fit a thorax with:
4 Blasters and NOS MWD, WEBBER and 20km Scram Med Repper, Plate, Nano Plate, Explosive hardner, Mag Stab
...which will lock down a ship pretty quickly. Plus, you can field 5x Med Tech 2 drones with ease, which will nicely add to your damage output.
Now the Vexor:
The Vexor has one less low slot than the Thorax, and gets a bonus to drone damage. That is 40% extra drone damage at level 4... and with the 75m3 drone capacity, you can field 5 Med and 5 small drones... or have 2 extra Med drones in reserve if you need to mix damage types (thermal, kinetic, etc...)
When you combine a drone damage bonus with the done bonuses you get from skills, the drones here get dangerous!
You can put a MWD, Webber and 20km scram in the mids, but use your high slots for Medium NOS.... just orbit at around 5km, web and NOS, and let your drones do the dirty work.
Seeing as you don;t need low slots for damage mods, you can put in a repper and 3 resists if you wish, or a repper, 2 resists and a Damage Control unit... or whatever.
This may work well in PVP because you sustain your tank with the NOS, can get your resists to decent levels, and let your drones do the damage.
What a ship is good for follows the bonuses that the ship has. Believe me, all your drone skills really do stack up once you get good in the drones skills...
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Jason Zachary
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Posted - 2006.12.28 23:32:00 -
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So then..cruiser skill improves the bonus of the ships? For example, the thorax has a 5% reduction to capacitor use on MWDs...then if i have rank 2 cruiser that would be 10%, rank 3 15% and so on? If that's the case, do your other skill bonuses also stack on top of that? Highspeed maneuvering reduces capacitor need on MWDs by 5% a rank so ideally could i have 50% reduction (even though its not needed since is only draws 25%) on my capacitor use from MWDs? Sorry if this isn't clear..i tried to ask the question as clearly as possible.
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Kedryn Caitin
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Posted - 2006.12.29 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Zachary So then..cruiser skill improves the bonus of the ships? For example, the thorax has a 5% reduction to capacitor use on MWDs...then if i have rank 2 cruiser that would be 10%, rank 3 15% and so on? If that's the case, do your other skill bonuses also stack on top of that? Highspeed maneuvering reduces capacitor need on MWDs by 5% a rank so ideally could i have 50% reduction (even though its not needed since is only draws 25%) on my capacitor use from MWDs? Sorry if this isn't clear..i tried to ask the question as clearly as possible.
Two different things. When you fit the MWD, you lose 25% of cap capacity. If you have 1000 cap capacity, you drop to 750 cap. The Highspeed maneuvering is how much it uses to run it. If it takes 100 to fire a cycle, one level of the skill will drop it to using 95 units of cap.**
The bonus on the Rax does not get fully trained off I am told. It does not swap straight across with the penalty. I hear it is like other things in the game where it is 25% less of the penalty.*
The Rax rocks as a gun boat but loses some of its kick since you can not use the bonus in deadspace since MWDs do not work there. But as mentioned it is great in belts and pvp.
*This is what I was informed of in corp chat and seen in other threads on the board. I have not tested this myself. I have so disclaimed.
**Numbers used are not ones on module. It is late, the server is still down and I am sleepy. Nice round ones used for easy of math like endeavors.
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Tigra Chi
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Posted - 2006.12.29 14:21:00 -
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To put it real basic - your vexor gets a 10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints that your Thorax dosent.
And I have seen very good pirates use a Vexor for PVP so beware.
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