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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
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Posted - 2015.11.08 22:27:52 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Lady Rift wrote:
show me how much the price of gas tanked with the release of the gas mining frig,
Why would you want me to do that? If I'm wrong then it supports my point that the introduction of a faster mining ship wouldn't affect the market and if i'm right, it supports my argument for an easier to catch gas mining ship to be added.
cause it hasn't the cheap fast mining frig didn't destroy gas values. Even though it mines faster than the stardard bc that was used before.
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Rek Seven
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
2101
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Posted - 2015.11.08 23:49:00 -
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Greate! So based on that, the argument that a faster gas mining ship would drive the price down is unfounded and thus, there is no reason to not introduce a faster gas mining ship.
I'm not complaining, I am simply saying that there should be a progression in the gas mining class, just like there already is within the ore and ice mining class.
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
242
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Posted - 2015.11.09 01:12:52 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Greate! So based on that, the argument that a faster gas mining ship would drive the price down is unfounded and thus, there is no reason to not introduce a faster gas mining ship.
I'm not complaining, I am simply saying that there should be a progression in the gas mining class, just like there already is within the ore and ice mining class.
there is progression already. |
Rek Seven
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
2101
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Posted - 2015.11.09 06:36:10 -
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Not in the same way there is with mining barges.
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Bla5to Frigate
The Praxus Consortium
5
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Posted - 2015.11.09 15:24:58 -
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Just visit a c13 shattered wormhole ice field..... You will be convinced that this ship needs to exist! (at least in my opinion)
They really are a site to see....
I'm amped for the possibilities as a wormholer, just to harvest ice in dangerous space is what drives me. I like the risk, keeps me excited. Skilling up for ice 5 now in preparation.
But, the haters gonna hate....
I can't wait for the expedition frigate boosting ship to come out next! Cause, why not be able to boost these little guys...... |
Penance Toralen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.11.10 03:25:15 -
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CCP Terminus wrote: Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 3 L, 1 Turret
I am curious to know why there are 4 M and 3 L on a armour tank hull? I would assume it is to limit the upgrades which can in fitted.
CCP Terminus would you please share how you would typically see this ship would be fitted?
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
242
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Posted - 2015.11.10 04:15:08 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Not in the same way there is with mining barges and pretty much every other class of ship in the game.
exploration
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Rek Seven
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
2106
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Posted - 2015.11.12 08:21:09 -
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Lady Rift wrote:
exploration
You're just going to throw that out their apropo of nothing? Weak!
The venture has nothing to do with exploration.
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Mr Grape Drink
Sugar - Water - Purple The Mutiny
56
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Posted - 2015.11.12 13:37:22 -
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The Foz said numbers for all these new ships were probably going to be out last week. We're almost through this next week :( Any news on when they will be coming so I don't have to sit here staring for a dev blog for another week? :D |
Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2015.11.12 19:59:43 -
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[Insert reply in this box with a transponder rather than an EMP device...]
And it is not a Covert Ship.
Why do I know, I had to BR jump a Mining Barge only to see it blowed up.? It is even worst to try in Wormhole.
Let's see how this works...
I never made profit on Ice yet and all jump fuel (or other fuel) always was more profitable to buy from traders, so far. |
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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
461
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Posted - 2015.11.13 14:51:50 -
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Shadowforge Dawkins wrote:Franklin en Chalune wrote: There are ice harvester upgrades, which I assume will affect the new ice mining lasers as well as the regular ice harvesters, due to the mining laser upgrades affecting both strip miners and regular mining lasers.
There are not ones for gas harvesters though, you're right on that front
thanks for filling the void for me. hopefully they add some upgrades for gas harvesting. we have 4 low slots on prospects and having something useful for them would be great when it comes to gas Edit; if a dev or someone could let us know if there will ever be gas harvesting upgrades, would be great thanks.
We could certainly make gas harvester upgrades. At the moment there are no plans to, but it seems like an interesting idea. As for the ice harvester upgrades, they should work with the new Ice Mining Lasers yes.
@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Get Off My Lawn
1931
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:04:53 -
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Gadolf Agalder wrote:
I never made profit on Ice yet and all jump fuel (or other fuel) always was more profitable to buy from traders, so far.
You must be doing something wrong.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
462
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:11:03 -
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Penance Toralen wrote:CCP Terminus wrote: Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 3 L, 1 Turret
I am curious to know why there are 4 M and 3 L on a armour tank hull? I would assume it is to limit the upgrades which can in fitted. CCP Terminus would you please share how you would typically see this ship would be fitted?
The Endurance is designed to be shield tanked.
- It has more mid slots at 4
- It has more shield than armour (1100 to 400)
- It has a 4% bonus to all shield resistances per level of Expedition frigates
Mining ships in general are almost all shield tanked. If there's a specific reason why you think it's designed to be armour tanked please let me know.
@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1243
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:17:14 -
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CCP Terminus wrote:Penance Toralen wrote:CCP Terminus wrote: Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 3 L, 1 Turret
I am curious to know why there are 4 M and 3 L on a armour tank hull? I would assume it is to limit the upgrades which can in fitted. CCP Terminus would you please share how you would typically see this ship would be fitted? The Endurance is designed to be shield tanked.
- It has more mid slots at 4
- It has more shield than armour (1100 to 400)
- It has a 4% bonus to all shield resistances per level of Expedition frigates
Mining ships in general are almost all shield tanked. If there's a specific reason why you think it's designed to be armour tanked please let me know.
1100 is quite a lot of HP for a mining frig especially one with T2 resists and resist bonus don't you think?
T3's need to be versatile not have T2 resists, OP dps and tank obsoleting T2 ships entirely.
ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 highslots for droneboats
Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
462
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Posted - 2015.11.13 15:42:33 -
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Orge Snorrsen wrote:Quote:Standard ore mining in a Endurance will be about as fast as a Venture due to the 200% role bonus to mining yield, but will be slower than a Prospect. Did i do the wrong maths myself, or is there something else faulty happening? Using a Miner II will grant 60m-¦/min in a rookie ship for example, so 120m-¦/min fitted in the Venture due to the 100% Role Bonus With 2 Mining Turrets the Venture can harvest around 240m-¦/min. The Endurance although will still get a 180m-¦/min yield due to the 1 miner and 200% bonus. Correctly a 300% would be needed, considering the same mining frigate skill bonus between venture/endurance
You are correct, good catch. I'll change it to 300%. There is also the mining frigate bonus, but for consistency I'll leave it as is. So the Endurance will be slightly slower at mining regular ore.
@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
465
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:14:50 -
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Harvey James wrote:1100 is quite a lot of HP for a mining frig especially one with T2 resists and resist bonus don't you think? It has the same EHP (without the resist bonuses) as the Prospect, just focused more in shields. It's also less stealthy than a Prospect. If we find the Endurance is being primarily used as a combat ship we'll take appropriate actions.
@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
242
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Posted - 2015.11.13 16:48:26 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Lady Rift wrote:
exploration
You're just going to throw that out their apropos of nothing? Weak! The venture is not part of exploration path.
exploration ships have no advancement path like you claim gas mining doesn't. |
Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2015.11.13 20:22:20 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Gadolf Agalder wrote:
I never made profit on Ice yet and all jump fuel (or other fuel) always was more profitable to buy from traders, so far.
You must be doing something wrong. Do you mean it's wrong that I make a profit from buying from other traders? |
Rek Seven
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
2107
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Posted - 2015.11.13 21:20:26 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Lady Rift wrote:
exploration
You're just going to throw that out their apropos of nothing? Weak! The venture is not part of exploration path. exploration ships have no advancement path like you claim gas mining doesn't.
T1 exploration frigs > t2 exploration frigs > SOE ships > t3 exploration setup
Stop talking about things you know nothing about
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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Penance Toralen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.11.13 21:41:02 -
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CCP Terminus wrote:
- It has more mid slots at 4
- It has more shield than armour (1100 to 400)
- It has a 4% bonus to all shield resistances per level of Expedition frigates
Mining ships in general are almost all shield tanked. If there's a specific reason why you think it's designed to be armour tanked please let me know.
Sorry, Terminus. I am used to the slot layout of the Prospect - and armor tank that. Thanks for the feedback.
CCP Terminus wrote:We could certainly make gas harvester upgrades. At the moment there are no plans to, but it seems like an interesting idea. As for the ice harvester upgrades, they should work with the new Ice Mining Lasers yes.
What about ORE versions of the Upgrades? |
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DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
242
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Posted - 2015.11.14 10:20:32 -
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Shouldn't there be some type of bonus when Exploration Frigates and Exploration Cruisers are in the same fleet?
Maybe an Exploration Command Ship is order to provide both types of exploration ships with bonuses when the Command Ship is the center piece for the exploration group.
Bonuses would include mining rate and yields as well as analyzer bonuses, etc.
The main bonus would be that the Exploration Command Ship could be in one system providing the bonuses to the exploration types of ships in the fleet that would range from 2 to 10 jumps from the Command Ships location. |
Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2015.11.14 15:49:43 -
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Perhaps the Exploration Theme is intended to let new players explore the game function?
What about it? |
Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Battlecruisin' Space Goats
443
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Posted - 2015.11.15 16:29:03 -
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Selaria Unbertable wrote:CCP Terminus wrote:Discovery... Role Bonuses: - 200% bonus to Mining yield
Are you sure it's not 100%? 200% would mean it can harvest 3 blocks per cycle. With all those duration reductions, that seems pretty strong. I mean, that would theoretically even surpass a Hulk. Not that I'm not fond of a pure ice harvesting ship, but that seems a lot... Looks like I have to train another alt into Expedition frigates sooner than later.
But how gankable are they.
Unbonused ice lasers allowed on ventures wouldn't break anything btw. It would be abysmally slow.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2015.11.15 16:43:19 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Selaria Unbertable wrote:CCP Terminus wrote:Discovery... Role Bonuses: - 200% bonus to Mining yield
Are you sure it's not 100%? 200% would mean it can harvest 3 blocks per cycle. With all those duration reductions, that seems pretty strong. I mean, that would theoretically even surpass a Hulk. Not that I'm not fond of a pure ice harvesting ship, but that seems a lot... Looks like I have to train another alt into Expedition frigates sooner than later. But how gankable are they. Unbonused ice lasers allowed on ventures wouldn't break anything btw. It would be abysmally slow. Hulks have more space to store Ice though. They also have more tank and carry more drones. Some of the main draw backs are: - signature. - cargo space to haul the hull to null sec (ice space) - packed cargo space to jump the thing at the same place as above. - speed, which rivals with titans, battleship, freigthers and what not. - no cloak at 3 xtimes 100% strip mining turrets loaded and running.
As for the new Exp ship, I would think that , if you already trained a Prospect, which is the older Exp ship (frig or not for now), it won't take long to get the new Exp trained. Plus, ..., it would still be easier to train faster than a new player would be able to use it to do the Ice mining test and explore her/his potential. |
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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
466
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Posted - 2015.11.16 10:37:52 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Selaria Unbertable wrote:CCP Terminus wrote:Discovery... Role Bonuses: - 200% bonus to Mining yield
Are you sure it's not 100%? 200% would mean it can harvest 3 blocks per cycle. With all those duration reductions, that seems pretty strong. I mean, that would theoretically even surpass a Hulk. Not that I'm not fond of a pure ice harvesting ship, but that seems a lot... Looks like I have to train another alt into Expedition frigates sooner than later. But how gankable are they. Unbonused ice lasers allowed on ventures wouldn't break anything btw. It would be abysmally slow. The bonus only affects ore mining yield, not ice. I've updated it to mention that. Also the bonus has been changed to 300% to make it much closer to the ore mining rate of the Venture and Prospect.
@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
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Hopelesshobo
Tactical Nuclear Penguin's
507
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Posted - 2015.11.18 04:39:39 -
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CCP Terminus wrote: How fast can the Endurance harvest Ice?
Endurance Ice Mining Laser II - 1 block / 330 sec Endurance Role Bonus (50% reduction) - 165 sec Mining Frigate 5 Bonus (25% reduction) - 123.75 sec Expedition Frigate 5 Bonus (25% reduction) - 92.81 sec Ice Harvesting Skill 5 (25% reduction) - 69.60 sec Inherent Implants 'Yeti" Ice Harvester IH-1005 (5% reduction) - 66.12 sec 'Ingenii' Ice Harvester Upgrade (10%) - 59.51 sec 'Ingenii' Ice Harvester Upgrade (10%) - 53.56 sec 'Ingenii' Ice Harvester Upgrade (10%) - 48.20 sec
Fastest Cycle = 48.20 seconds
Have you considered to change ice blocks to ice cubes which take up 1m3, while changing any refining to require 1000 ice cubes to refine? This would give the option to cut your cycles early and still get something for your time. Would also make it so you wouldn't have to have long cycle times on the harvesters as they could just harvest fewer ice cubes per cycle for balance purposes.
Lowering the average to make you look better since 2012.
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Capsuleer Service Executive
Estel Arador Corp Services
0
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Posted - 2015.11.19 02:53:52 -
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I'd just like to point out there is a graphic of the Endurance on the Eve: Online homepage, on the December 8th update section.
IT LOOKS BEEYOOTIFULLLL!!!
/cse
EACSGäó - Estel Arador Capsuleer & Corp Services - Spreading the Love
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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
472
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Posted - 2015.11.19 18:35:30 -
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Capsuleer Service Executive wrote:I'd just like to point out there is a graphic of the Endurance on the Eve: Online homepage, on the December 8th update section.
IT LOOKS BEEYOOTEEFULLLL!!!
/cse I'm sure the art guys love hearing that :) I told them icey and they delivered.
@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
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Gadolf Agalder
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2015.11.19 18:45:59 -
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741 Frostline http://updates.eveonline.com/date/2015-12-08/ |
Mr Grape Drink
Sugar - Water - Purple The Mutiny
74
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Posted - 2015.11.19 18:52:34 -
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Speaking of the picture, it shows it with 3x lasers on it. Though it only has 1x laser slot. Hacks! Of course, it wouldn't look so pretty with just one of the slots with turrets like it will have.
Also, what do you see being used for the second utility slot on a ship like this? Miner, cloak, ?lolnos? |
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