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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.18 13:42:43 -
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Pirates.
I am not talking about the NPCs but players, is it a good career choice to be a pirate (after some FW)? I am a Minmatar and, because of me, I only use my own Faction's ships. My current plan is raiding mining ships or lightly armed ones in 0.4 to 0.0 systems with a Rifter or another close-combat Frigate or a Thrasher. After I get the hang of it I will move on to T2 Frigates and team up with others (if I can). After a while, when I have enough people to support me, I will get a Stabber and/or Bellicose. Is this a good idea and career line to down?
What's the payroll for Pirates usually, early on? Should it be enough to get me another T1 Frigate and its weapons at least? Would I be able to create a Pirate Gang later on? Would it be possible to only be outlawed in Amarr, Caldari, and Gallente space but not Minmatar, as I don't plan on raiding any Minmatar?
Thank you if you answer. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5354
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Posted - 2015.09.18 13:46:58 -
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You'll quickly **** off CONCORD to the extent that you'll be unwelcome in all highsec. This is manageable - the corporation The Conference Elite (a highsec gank corp run by friends of mine) operate as outlaws in highsec, as do New Order Logistics and the Ministry of Love.
Your plan is solid but for one issue - you won't find much prey in lowsec mining. There'll be some, just not much.
Most lowsec pirates target travel chokepoints such as the systems Rancer, Crilerie or Egghelende, or prey on Faction Warfare players, or prey on nullsec players exporting loot to highsec.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13974
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Posted - 2015.09.18 13:58:23 -
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The payroll? It depends, with or without dental? You'll need to find a corp most likely, early on. Miners may not be packing much heat, but they do have drones, and if doing their mining thing in low or null as you mentioned, they prolly have friends ready to drop ontop of you before you even dent a miners shield.
I'm in it for the money
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:02:03 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:You'll quickly **** off CONCORD to the extent that you'll be unwelcome in all highsec. This is manageable - the corporation The Conference Elite (a highsec gank corp run by friends of mine) operate as outlaws in highsec, as do New Order Logistics and the Ministry of Love.
Your plan is solid but for one issue - you won't find much prey in lowsec mining. There'll be some, just not much.
Most lowsec pirates target travel chokepoints such as the systems Rancer, Crilerie or Egghelende, or prey on Faction Warfare players, or prey on nullsec players exporting loot to highsec.
Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). |
Revenant Kane
The Revenant Crew
0
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:05:38 -
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Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.
That works... |
Amber Patoria
Isogen 5
5082
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:07:15 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy.
Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting!
Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.
Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:07:27 -
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Revenant Kane wrote:Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.
That works...
I would rather tell Jabba to lend me some of his forces and destroy the whole clan. |
Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:08:29 -
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Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting!
Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
13974
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:10:14 -
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There is always wormhole space if you're not set on being chased through the empires by police. Look up Wingspan TT on youtube as an example, for possible longterm goals anyway.
I'm in it for the money
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Revenant Kane
The Revenant Crew
0
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:11:41 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Revenant Kane wrote:Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.
That works... I would rather tell Jabba to lend me some of his forces and destroy the whole clan.
Well then...
It seems you do not want to be helped. In the past low sec pirates made a lot of isk. With CCP nerving the crap out of highsec and adding more isk to highsec as well more and more people stayed in highsec.
This means you now make more isks from ransoms to stop wars (or paid for wars) than you do in low. The economics for pirates changed. In low sec you now only have killers that rat with the once in a while ransom if they choose to.
If isk is not an issue... than low sec with the occational ratting to fund you is the name of the game. |
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:15:07 -
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Revenant Kane wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Revenant Kane wrote:Or you can just wardec every corp you see and make them pay you to go away.
That works... I would rather tell Jabba to lend me some of his forces and destroy the whole clan. Well then... It seems you do not want to be helped. In the past low sec pirates made a lot of isk. With CCP nerving the crap out of highsec and adding more isk to highsec as well more and more people stayed in highsec. This means you now make more isks from ransoms to stop wars (or paid for wars) than you do in low. The economics for pirates changed. In low sec you now only have killers that rat with the once in a while ransom if they choose to. If isk is not an issue... than low sec with the occational ratting to fund you is the name of the game.
It's not that, it is just that I would rather butcher everyone and steal everything.
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Amber Patoria
Isogen 5
5083
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:18:35 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting! Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship. They usually are.
Scanning frigates, often stabbed and nano'd to all heck. Can be a fun challenge to catch.
Sometimes Asteros. Occasionally something bigger like a Stratios, etc (We killed a Gnosis running relics the other day).
Some people use bombers with dual-scrams, smart-bombing T3 cruisers, or stuff like Asteros to kill them.
I just use my Loki. *shrug*
There's also a lot of site runners to kill in wormhole space too. Good to skill for a cloaky T3 cruiser if you're going hunting those kinds of people, though you don't need much to go hunting explorers. Why hack cans for loot? Let others hack them for you, then murder them.
Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.
Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?
lo-++¦
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:21:10 -
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Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting! Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship. They usually are. Scanning frigates, often stabbed and nano'd to all heck. Can be a fun challenge to catch. Sometimes Asteros. Occasionally something bigger like a Stratios, etc (We killed a Gnosis running relics the other day). Some people use bombers with dual-scrams, smart-bombing T3 cruisers, or stuff like Asteros to kill them. I just use my Loki. *shrug* There's also a lot of site runners to kill in wormhole space too. Good to skill for a cloaky T3 cruiser if you're going hunting those kinds of people, though you don't need much to go hunting explorers. Why hack cans for loot? Let others hack them for you, then murder them.
Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station? |
Amber Patoria
Isogen 5
5083
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:23:26 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station? Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro.
Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc.
Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.
Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?
lo-++¦
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:31:46 -
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Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station? Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro. Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc.
...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s... |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1521
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:37:20 -
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piracy isnt really a career anymore, more of a lifestyle where you can fly around shouting yarr at everyone.
most pirates have alts which do other things which are much more profitable
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Amber Patoria
Isogen 5
5086
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Posted - 2015.09.18 14:43:29 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station? Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro. Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc. ...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s... Speed only means so much, transversal means everything if you're trying to avoid getting popped.
Doesn't matter if you're doing 3000m/s, if you're flying straight at them then RIP in pasta.
Rookie ship's about the size of a standard frig, hitting one with a cruiser is quite normal.
As for balance, well they're flying a 500-1b ISK ship that took months of skilling to fly and is very specialized in doing what it does very well. You're a newer character in a free/cheap, disposable ship that's paper-thin on the undock. That's never going to end well.
Candi LeMew > It doesn't have to make sense. It's just the way it is.
Johnny cruz > You end up getting off today Lotor?
lo-++¦
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Ovv Topik
Hoplite Brigade Hashashin Cartel
751
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:05:21 -
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Consider a career hunting explorers in low sec. There are tonnes more than miners. Learn to do it yourself in a covops frig. Then switch to an astero and hunt the covops as they run the sites. Can land some very nice paydays.
"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7
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Memphis Baas
555
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:08:12 -
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As it's been said, the game is balanced more towards a few frigates being able to get away from (or approach) a battleship, and not die in a single shot from the battleship-sized weaponry. Cruisers are closer in size to frigates, so their weapon systems can hit frigates pretty well; actually some cruisers are designed to be anti-frigate platforms.
For avoiding guns, what matters is your transversal / orbit / angular / sideways speed; the idea is that the big guns can't turn fast enough to aim at you. You can enable an "angular velocity" column in the overview and use it to gauge your chances of success; you can look at the stats for medium guns on the market and see how fast they can track in radians/second, to just get an idea.
500 m/s may be sufficient if you're at 1-5 km from the cruiser, but does almost nothing at 20-40 km. An afterburner module can get a frigate to 900-1,000 m/s, and a microwarpdrive module can get 2.5+ km/s for a very short time. You also have to train yourself to approach all big targets sideways (in a spiral pattern) rather than fly straight at them.
And you have to get a feel for the typical range of ships. Frigates can typically hit to about 25-30 km, cruisers can easily cover 40-80 km, and battleships can snipe all the way to 150-200 km, especially when using Tech 2 guns, sniping ammo that enhances range, and various targeting and range modules in the mid and low slots.
So those are the ranges where you're in danger. As a frigate, you want to get to a short range orbit as soon as possible, so that your transversal velocity helps out, but you can't get TOO close because there are several anti-frigate modules such as stasis webifiers, smartbombs, and energy neutralizers that operate in the short range, and veteran PVP'ers will have these installed so they're protected from frigates.
On the flip side, your puny frigate can lock down even a large battleship and keep it there until the cavalry arrives, and there are hundreds of heroic tales of huge kills that were possible only because a new player in a frigate managed to hold the juicy target pinned until all his friends could get there to kill it in a spectacular way. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1447
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:10:04 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Just a random question but: How did a Strategic Cruiser 27km away manage to shoot my tiny Rookie Ship that just left a station? Was it on another character? I don't see any losses listed for Necro. Easily done though. Might have been a Loki with artillery, a rail Proteus, HM Tengu, etc. ...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s... Speed is not everything ... probably the Cruiser was in line with your movement. Also a rookie ship has no tank, so whatever low percentage of damage was applied to your ship, just kills you. Balanced does not mean, that it's easy to mitigate incoming damage from bigger ships.
Roaming around killing other players can keep your business rolling from loot/salvage if you are skilled, but you won't get rich from that unless you are lucky. But it's fun. . From what I heard the best money you can make from PvP is wardeccing highsec corps for ransom and POS loot.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
37434
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:14:36 -
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Hunting explorers with Dickvirus T3s.
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Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Memphis Baas
555
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:36:11 -
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Also, things are balanced this way, unfairly if you want to call it that, partly because if it were easy, everyone would do it, and then you wouldn't be able to get anywhere in a cruiser or battleship for all the frigate people just waiting to take you out easily. So it's possible but not easy.
Same with piracy, actually. Anyone would take the chance to make an easy 100 million off a juicy target if it were easy, but it's not. You lose access to high sec, and on top of it most players know the dangers and take steps to either avoid the hot spots or protect their ship (warp stabilizers, cloaks, use fast-aligning ships, etc.). |
Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
750
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Posted - 2015.09.18 15:56:36 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Pirates.
I am not talking about the NPCs but players, is it a good career choice to be a pirate (after some FW)? I am a Minmatar and, because of me, I only use my own Faction's ships. My current plan is raiding mining ships or lightly armed ones in 0.4 to 0.0 systems with a Rifter or another close-combat Frigate or a Thrasher. After I get the hang of it I will move on to T2 Frigates and team up with others (if I can). After a while, when I have enough people to support me, I will get a Stabber and/or Bellicose. Is this a good idea and career line to down?
What's the payroll for Pirates usually, early on? Should it be enough to get me another T1 Frigate and its weapons at least? Would I be able to create a Pirate Gang later on? Would it be possible to only be outlawed in Amarr, Caldari, and Gallente space but not Minmatar, as I don't plan on raiding any Minmatar?
Thank you if you answer.
The term "pirate" is a very broad one for eve and covers a lot of different play styles. If you are the sort of pirate that preys on economic targets - haulers, miners, carriers, jfs, etc... you can make very good isk. Oth if you just like yoloing around attacking everyone without a care for whether you will likely win or not then being a pirate will be isk draining. In my happy grp of players, the pvp usually pays for itself. But we all also have independent sources of isk, so that we can replace the big toys should an op go belly up.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
218
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Posted - 2015.09.18 16:09:51 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote: The term "pirate" is a very broad one for eve and covers a lot of different play styles. If you are the sort of pirate that preys on economic targets - haulers, miners, carriers, jfs, etc... you can make very good isk. Oth if you just like yoloing around attacking everyone without a care for whether you will likely win or not then being a pirate will be isk draining. In my happy grp of players, the pvp usually pays for itself. But we all also have independent sources of isk, so that we can replace the big toys should an op go belly up.
This is kind of what it boils down to, really.
I don't call myself a pirate, what I do is PVP; I don't expect to make ISK from it but sometimes I do. My targets are anything and everything that I find in my area that isn't in my fleet. When I do PVE it is often just in the hope of baiting someone into coming after me.
If I was concerned with actually earning ISK, I'd probably become a high-sec outlaw ganking freighters and such.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn Resonance.
156
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Posted - 2015.09.18 16:28:19 -
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If you're going for low sec piracy your targets will be few and hard to catch, but you may be able to make a profit off them. It won't be anything that will make you filthy rich though, and there will always be bigger fish who are hunting you.
I would suggest finding an additional PVE source of ISK aside from your piracy to make sure you can afford to lose ships to said 'bigger fish' and so you have something to do when you can't find any targets to shoot. I would suggest something in low sec so you don't have to travel back and forth, and don't have to worry about your sec status dropping. My personal choice is low sec DED sites and other combat sigs, but there are plenty of other options. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8551
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Posted - 2015.09.18 16:55:13 -
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Necro Huren wrote: ...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s...
OP goes from raging aspiring pirate to whining forumite in less than ten seconds
Good luck with your career (forum or otherwise)!
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:11:09 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Necro Huren wrote: ...I don't see how that is balanced... A Cruiser hitting a Rookie ship/Frigate going at 500m/s...
OP goes from raging aspiring pirate to whining forumite in less than ten seconds Good luck with your career (forum or otherwise)!
I have... Mind changes... Where did raging come from... Oh well! |
Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
88
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:20:23 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting! Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship.
We literally do fly paper ships. Happy hunting. :) |
Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:22:31 -
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Thanks for all the tips/explanations/dictionary terms.
Not trying to sound like a smart*** or anything but 'pirates' historically preyed on economy targets (haulers/rich ground targets/political figures/ransom/many more). |
Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:23:32 -
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Zihao wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting! Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship. We literally do fly paper ships. Happy hunting. :)
Stop trying to lure me in to kill me with a alt that has a Strategic Cruiser and warps in after I find you. |
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
88
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:26:56 -
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Nah, much too new for alts, but you can be assured someone will also be hunting you while hunting me. They'll just be a total stranger and probably kill both of us. |
Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:40:04 -
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Zihao wrote:Nah, much too new for alts, but you can be assured someone will also be hunting you while hunting me. They'll just be a total stranger and probably kill both of us.
Either way I will kill you! And then I will kill you with Smartbomb swarm when I get some buddies! |
Aimee Arbosa
Division 13 Anoikis Ronin
2992
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:43:47 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Zihao wrote:Nah, much too new for alts, but you can be assured someone will also be hunting you while hunting me. They'll just be a total stranger and probably kill both of us. Either way I will kill you! And then I will kill you with Smartbomb swarm when I get some buddies! You're gonna kill him twice at once?
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Kali'ara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1242
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Posted - 2015.09.18 17:53:52 -
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Aimee Arbosa wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Zihao wrote:Nah, much too new for alts, but you can be assured someone will also be hunting you while hunting me. They'll just be a total stranger and probably kill both of us. Either way I will kill you! And then I will kill you with Smartbomb swarm when I get some buddies! You're gonna kill him twice at once? Doesn't get much more piratey.
Also, Mr Bumblefck touches on an important point. For any aspiring pirate the forums are a very important place. Have you ever seen a thread ransomed? I have.
There's no better place to display the cut of one's jib.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1448
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Posted - 2015.09.18 18:23:45 -
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Zihao wrote:Nah, much too new for alts, but you can be assured someone will also be hunting you while hunting me. They'll just be a total stranger and probably kill both of us. This remembers me of a funny incident, I was probing with my Svipul for prey and pinpointed an Astero ... warp ...while in warp a Covert Ops frig appears on dscan ... land, T2 frig tackled Astero ... fighting, I killed both ... when a Cynabal lands on top of me, I barely escaped without the loot.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
587
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Posted - 2015.09.18 18:25:06 -
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I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:09:52 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc.
I had a thought once where... 2,000 players targeted and destroyed a CONCORD ship. |
Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
52416
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:19:06 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc. Yeah, in seriousness this is true imo.
Somewhere like lowsec most people don't fit expensively, especially if they're doing frigate PVP as the OP seems to be looking for. You could probably take the loot from all the kills in one night and you'd probably have made more ISK if you spent that same time mining or missioning. You'll get lucky sometimes and get some great loot out of your kills, but you can't really bank on it and certainly can't sustain yourself purely from it.
In Amber's case, hunting explorers can net you some tidy loot, though rather than camping relic sites you'll probably make more if you actually ran all those sites yourself.
Ransoms can be great, but the opportunities for it (and finding people willing to pay) are likewise intermittent.
People "pirate" for the fun of the fight, any loot is really just an added bonus.
Highsec ganking is a different matter and you could certainly make some good money from ganking freighters and such, though it's generally not a solo thing. I'd imagine bumping freighters and ransoming might be one solo way of making some semi-reliable ISK though.
tl:dr - If you're looking to make profits then PVP generally isn't the way to do it, especially not frigate PVP somewhere like lowsec. PVP is more often an expense that people PVE to pay for. Though in saying that you only need to get that one amazing ransom or loot drop and you might earn enough to sustain yourself for weeks/months. Though don't go betting on it.
I'm not sure how all corps work, but in our corp scouts generally make the most profit from PVP. Anyone can be a scout though, whoever finds a target or sets up a fight/gank for the rest of us is entitled to any loot from it. This often sees some of our pilots make hundreds of millions, if not billions sometimes, from a single encounter.
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Zihao
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
89
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:20:25 -
[39] - Quote
Anything profitable takes work. Unsurprisingly the majority of pirates don't want to work that hard and find the cheap thrills fun. It's not sp much about the profession as the mindset. If you are playing eve for profit you are basically roleplaying a sweatshop gold farmer. |
Memphis Baas
555
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:44:44 -
[40] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc.
This is because the game is a PVP game. So while in the real world the pirates are attacking civilian ships operating in peacetime, in this game you're like trying to be a pirate during World War 2; most of your possible targets will be escorted and/or be freaking warships better armed than you.
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:46:30 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc. This is because the game is a PVP game. So while in the real world the pirates are attacking civilian ships operating in peacetime, in this game you're like trying to be a pirate during World War 2; most of your possible targets will be escorted and/or be freaking warships better armed than you.
I'm pretty sure I have seen NPC cargoships around, unprotected. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1719
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Posted - 2015.09.18 19:47:02 -
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just stay in FW and start shooting neutrals. now you have targets and somewhere to make income.
I'd say piracy is more a state of mind than anything else. Lots of people will stay stuff about it, Let it mean whatever the hell you want it to mean. As long as ships explode you are probably doing it right.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Memphis Baas
555
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Posted - 2015.09.19 02:14:12 -
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Necro Huren wrote:I'm pretty sure I have seen NPC cargoships around, unprotected.
Yeah, look again next time, see if they're still in range of the 6 deadly sentry guns the nearby station has. 150 km.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1724
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Posted - 2015.09.19 02:18:31 -
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I'm not 100% that the station sentry guns will shot you, but even if they do you can just warp off and come back.
that said I hear those haulers usually just have some nearly worthless trade goods, so probably aren't worth dealing with too much.
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Memphis Baas
556
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Posted - 2015.09.19 02:28:42 -
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Granted, I tried it like 10 years ago, but if I remember correctly the station did defend the haulers; they would undock and then warp off (actually, despawn) at 180 km, so I had between 151 km and 180 km to kill them. They were slow so it was doable. |
Revenant Kane
The Revenant Crew
0
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Posted - 2015.09.19 02:43:45 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc.
Not really...
With my previous character I made billions and that was just with war ransoms.
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Necro Huren
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.09.19 12:05:35 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Granted, I tried it like 10 years ago, but if I remember correctly the station did defend the haulers; they would undock and then warp off (actually, despawn) at 180 km, so I had between 151 km and 180 km to kill them. They were slow so it was doable.
I will try that, can probably make it even slower with a Statis Webifier! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51974
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Posted - 2015.09.20 03:47:48 -
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Zihao wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Amber Patoria wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Really? So do I have to become a Gate Camper? I feel like that is worse than preying on defenseless miners (unless they have super drones and/or 200 alts waiting to protect them). You don't have to be taking sec status hits for your activities to be classed as piracy. Try wormholes perhaps, it can be lucrative ( especially if you like hunting explorers) along with exciting! Hunting explorers? Sounds fun, I guess that would be a while before that though. Unless the explorer is literally flying a paper ship. We literally do fly paper ships. Happy hunting. :) Most experienced veteran explorers are cloaked, tanked and armed to the teeth in medium class hulls due to running combat sites. The posted video in this thread shows a bunch of Frigate ships at hacking sites which are the bottom rung on the exploration ladder.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
51974
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Posted - 2015.09.20 04:04:21 -
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Necro Huren wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Granted, I tried it like 10 years ago, but if I remember correctly the station did defend the haulers; they would undock and then warp off (actually, despawn) at 180 km, so I had between 151 km and 180 km to kill them. They were slow so it was doable. I will try that, can probably make it even slower with a Statis Webifier! Attacking NPC Convoys
It was quite profitable in the past, depending on which Corporation station the Convoy was leaving.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Necro Huren
Dreadmen
24
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Posted - 2015.09.20 13:15:39 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Granted, I tried it like 10 years ago, but if I remember correctly the station did defend the haulers; they would undock and then warp off (actually, despawn) at 180 km, so I had between 151 km and 180 km to kill them. They were slow so it was doable. I will try that, can probably make it even slower with a Statis Webifier! Attacking NPC ConvoysIt was quite profitable in the past, depending on which Corporation station the Convoy was leaving. DMC
Thank you for the Guide. |
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
138
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Posted - 2015.09.20 13:25:26 -
[51] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate.
Wardec ransoming is still alive and well, if you do it right. The problem is that most groups just dec left & right and/or the wrong corps, making it impersonal, and just camp choke points. Then it won't work.
If you dec one active corp/alliance and right from the beginning make it clear that it's just business and through the right tactics (make them afraid of you even when they don't see you) and through keeping an open line (you don't have to be a **** in a war, you CAN just actually interact with your food) you'd be surprised about the percentage of corps that end up paying you to go away. It's not 50+% but it's certainly not bad and the loot from mission running ships is worthwhile too.
Mission busting still works too. |
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
594
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Posted - 2015.09.20 18:00:32 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc.
Quoting myself because quite a few ways being a bad guy to make isk/living, but nothing I would consider piracy. War dec ransoms isnt piracy as much as gangster protection racket. When people play pirate in games, they imagine havens, killing for loot and such. That play is just too broken up by required non piracy. Hunting mission runners and ganking means having to run non pirate or buying tags for standings.
Real pirate life in eve usually is limited to hunting explorers and nullsec empires from what I have experienced.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1519
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Posted - 2015.09.21 05:08:23 -
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You could always try sneaking into null via a WH and ninja looting in a stabbed intie. |
Necro Huren
Dreadmen
24
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:12:29 -
[54] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc. Quoting myself because quite a few ways being a bad guy to make isk/living, but nothing I would consider piracy. War dec ransoms isnt piracy as much as gangster protection racket. When people play pirate in games, they imagine havens, killing for loot and such. That play is just too broken up by required non piracy. Hunting mission runners and ganking means having to run non pirate or buying tags for standings. Real pirate life in eve usually is limited to hunting explorers and nullsec empires from what I have experienced.
Thanks, I agree that ganking and war dec ransoms isn't real pirating. Just ransoming, though, after you destroyed someone ship and tackled their pod is piracy, right?
"Nothing is impossible, just improbable." - Necro Huren
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
52020
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Posted - 2015.09.23 08:57:45 -
[55] - Quote
Piracy Guide
Rookie Lowsec Survival Guide
These guides are a bit old but still have some good info in them.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1544
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Posted - 2015.09.23 09:37:46 -
[56] - Quote
Necro Huren wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Markus Reese wrote:I want to be honest, and others can correct my errors but it is really difficult to make any isk in piracy in eve. Piracy for profit is pretty much limited to high security system ganks. It is actually one of those things I really want to push CCP for is a means to sustain yourself as a pirate. Ergo, you can go off to lowsec and never have to leave, use alt, etc. Quoting myself because quite a few ways being a bad guy to make isk/living, but nothing I would consider piracy. War dec ransoms isnt piracy as much as gangster protection racket. When people play pirate in games, they imagine havens, killing for loot and such. That play is just too broken up by required non piracy. Hunting mission runners and ganking means having to run non pirate or buying tags for standings. Real pirate life in eve usually is limited to hunting explorers and nullsec empires from what I have experienced. Thanks, I agree that ganking and war dec ransoms isn't real pirating. Just ransoming, though, after you destroyed someone ship and tackled their pod is piracy, right?
Ransoms, drug running, being a c***, evading police, low sec status etc is all part of being a pirate, dont think about isk when wanting to be a pirate, ive never ransomed or been offered any isk to let anything go, ill pod everything, there is no right way to be a pirate, just do what you want
I like to live my lifestyle by having loyalty to a pirate faction just to make it a bit more interesting
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
613
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Posted - 2015.09.23 14:14:34 -
[57] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Necro Huren wrote:Thanks, I agree that ganking and war dec ransoms isn't real pirating. Just ransoming, though, after you destroyed someone ship and tackled their pod is piracy, right? Ransoms, drug running, being a c***, evading police, low sec status etc is all part of being a pirate, dont think about isk when wanting to be a pirate, ive never ransomed or been offered any isk to let anything go, ill pod everything, there is no right way to be a pirate, just do what you want I like to live my lifestyle by having loyalty to a pirate faction just to make it a bit more interesting
"they're not Yakuza, they are just playing gangsta"
To my experience, eve piracy isnt piracy, just playing gangsta. Acting tough, trying to be thugs. The main part of traditional piracy and why it got dubbed for modern software is theft at sea/taking claim of another's property. How can eve have piracy without the pirating part.
Else is just gangsta. Where is the living the live against authority, freedom and evasion. That is lost. I cannot live years in frontier as a small group of combatants.... Wepl, not without either doing carebear with it or having a happy alt once more meaning to be a pirate, need to not be a pirate.
To quote Lfod Shi
The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1469
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Posted - 2015.09.23 15:57:35 -
[58] - Quote
There isn't "real" piracy because for the victim not much is at risk, no lifes are threatened. Loss is part of the business in a wild west world like EvE, the worst can happen is you wake up in your new clone and lost some time and ISK. I think you can live from loot and never leave low/nullsec using a hauler alt, but why restricting yourself?
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Johnny Riko
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2015.09.23 16:43:23 -
[59] - Quote
For solo stuff you should probably get into WHs.
Low and nullsec have you show up in local. Anyone who knows what they are doing will not get killed by a neutral/hostile in local because their intel channel told them 15 minutes ago that you were inbound...In wormholes there is no local. You can cloak up in a relic site with an astero and punish every exploration frigate that drops by trying to make some loot. From there you can graduate into Stealth bombing mining barges with torpedos.
I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
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Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
149
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Posted - 2015.09.23 17:00:08 -
[60] - Quote
Tipa Riot wrote:There isn't "real" piracy because for the victim not much is at risk, no lifes are threatened. Loss is part of the business in a wild west world like EvE, the worst can happen is you wake up in your new clone and lost some time and ISK. I think you can live from loot and never leave low/nullsec using a hauler alt, but why restricting yourself?
And that is why folks move(d) on to mission busting and similar, people flying expensive ships with expensive modules which will give a profit when killed or ransomed. It's PVP for profit and while one could argue about semantics about what piracy is and isn't, you could say the same about how piracy may or may not have anything to do with being in low sec or not.
The fact is that the big and juicy targets are in high sec and the fox goes where the sheep are. |
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Necro Huren
Dreadmen
28
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Posted - 2015.09.23 18:19:42 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:There isn't "real" piracy because for the victim not much is at risk, no lifes are threatened. Loss is part of the business in a wild west world like EvE, the worst can happen is you wake up in your new clone and lost some time and ISK. I think you can live from loot and never leave low/nullsec using a hauler alt, but why restricting yourself? And that is why folks move(d) on to mission busting and similar, people flying expensive ships with expensive modules which will give a profit when killed or ransomed. It's PVP for profit and while one could argue about semantics about what piracy is and isn't, you could say the same about how piracy may or may not have anything to do with being in low sec or not. The fact is that the big and juicy targets are in high sec and the fox goes where the sheep are.
Unless they kill a Titan somehow...
"Nothing is impossible, just improbable." - Necro Huren
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
223
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Posted - 2015.09.23 21:46:10 -
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Necro Huren wrote: Unless they kill a Titan somehow...
That isn't piracy...that's trophy hunting :-)
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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