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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
How much different would it be? Really?
You know it would, as does anyone who's fought prior to LV+Coalition lapdogs arriving.
You wouldn't OWN the battlefield, and your dreadfleet would be less confident.
The fact Enslaver's Titan can wipe out PVP fleets, in one swoop on any of your dreads gives you a massive advantage and you know it. You have used this tactic well to your advantage already.
Sure, your POS smackdown's etc would still happen, your Capital4Rent fleet would be here still, but you would be ALOT further from absolute domination that you demand right now.
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Vando
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 15:15:00 -
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So it's agreed, LV make no difference so they can leave?
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Thundirr
Amarr Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 15:21:00 -
[363]
Originally by: Press Officer
Quote: you refused to say you wouldn't take ISS stations.
See this is the main point for the thick people out there ......
Welcome to hell IAC, you wanted to be greedy, rob blind the neutral investors of Eve and now you will lose everything.
Sux being you, don't it.
Hint .... start begging and use lots and lots of Lub
You know people that have no clue shouldnt post.
AT NO POINT DID IAC EVER ATTACK ANY ISS POS OR STATION. FOR 3 DAYS WE HAD FULL ACCCESS TO ISS SPACE SURROUNDING F4 FOR 3 DAYS WE COULD HAVE ATTACKED ANY POS/STATION BUT DID NOT.
Everyone thinks we were going to take ISS stations. Yeah our actions should speak loud enough there. As for robbing ISS blind? LOL right.
This war only proves what we wanted it to. ISS are not some neutral Alliance. Its all business for them. And Business is most certainly NOT neutral. We wanted to show that the ISS charter is not something that works. It makes ISS just like any other alliance.
Not Neutral. Not A Fence Sitter.
Press Officer you need to seriously get your fact straight.
Oh BTW loved your intial post about IAC planning on taking ISS stations.
Seems IAC sure did plan for it. Hey we had weeks to plan for it. 3 Days to make our plans real, and all of the ISS POS destroyed and sovernty attacked proves it.... oh wait we didnt do any of that.
Your neutral investors... thats a funny statement.
Whatever. IAC will prevail.
When a neighbor trys to tell you that he isnt pleased with what you have been doing. Several times he tells you. Hey could you please not do that? And you dont realy listen to him.. YOu nod your head but do nothing. One day your neighbor says. I have told you a dozen times to cut this out, im sorry its come to this. And he punches you in the face. You dont burn down his house because you have a bloody nose.
IAC Tried to tell ISS they werent happy. We tried several times. When we got fed up we punched ISS in the face because nothing else was working. Now ISS is attempting to burn down our house. Thats what ISS is doing to its neighbor. Instead of trying to work out differences they are going for burning down the house.
Grats ISS. GL to you. And thanks for proving our point.
*I in no way am an offical rep of IAC. I just say what i think*
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Tyrian Solteuer
Caldari Tyrell Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.21 15:50:00 -
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I'm baffled that people still try to argue that there is some difference between declaring war, and setting your next door neighbor to red. It also seems quite obvious, and totally acceptable that ISS could not allow an openly hostile entity to screw up business around their outposts when they have god knows how many billions to shell out every month to investors.
This was all plainly evident and IAC chose this path anyway. The heart of the issue is that ultimately IAC were the aggressors. Bad blood and smack are one thing, but escalation to shooting comes with a certain price tag.
If IAC was bored and needed something to shoot at thats all fine and dandy. We all do that from time to time. What surprises me is that the IAC leadership didn't anticipate this level of response.
Choosing sides was easy in this case. IAC openly supported the corps that stabbed us in the back as CC and are openly supporting the RA/GOON/TFC horde. We had a great time shooting at IAC back in the day, but this IAC is a totally different animal than the old IAC. I don't know what happened but something changed.
Justice was overdue.
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Sir Kad
adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:01:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Vando So it's agreed, LV make no difference so they can leave?
But I dont wanna leave! :(
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:03:00 -
[366]
Edited by: Press Officer on 21/12/2006 16:04:02
Quote: You know people that have no clue shouldnt post.
AT NO POINT DID IAC EVER ATTACK ANY ISS POS OR STATION. FOR 3 DAYS WE HAD FULL ACCCESS TO ISS SPACE SURROUNDING F4 FOR 3 DAYS WE COULD HAVE ATTACKED ANY POS/STATION BUT DID NOT.
Everyone thinks we were going to take ISS stations. Yeah our actions should speak loud enough there. As for robbing ISS blind? LOL right.
This war only proves what we wanted it to. ISS are not some neutral Alliance. Its all business for them. And Business is most certainly NOT neutral. We wanted to show that the ISS charter is not something that works. It makes ISS just like any other alliance.
Not Neutral. Not A Fence Sitter.
Press Officer you need to seriously get your fact straight.
Oh BTW loved your intial post about IAC planning on taking ISS stations.
Seems IAC sure did plan for it. Hey we had weeks to plan for it. 3 Days to make our plans real, and all of the ISS POS destroyed and sovernty attacked proves it.... oh wait we didnt do any of that.
Your neutral investors... thats a funny statement.
Whatever. IAC will prevail.
When a neighbor trys to tell you that he isnt pleased with what you have been doing. Several times he tells you. Hey could you please not do that? And you dont realy listen to him.. YOu nod your head but do nothing. One day your neighbor says. I have told you a dozen times to cut this out, im sorry its come to this. And he punches you in the face. You dont burn down his house because you have a bloody nose.
IAC Tried to tell ISS they werent happy. We tried several times. When we got fed up we punched ISS in the face because nothing else was working. Now ISS is attempting to burn down our house. Thats what ISS is doing to its neighbor. Instead of trying to work out differences they are going for burning down the house.
Grats ISS. GL to you. And thanks for proving our point.
I'm sure the IAC need to operate a "Put my foot in it filter" ....
No plans to take the ISS stations ........... thats so funny expecially as I was in the intial discussions weeks ago when certain corporations were informed of the plans.... chatlogs are a wounderfull thing but maybe I would be "very very very quite" before you make yourself look really really silly.
Also it was stated by your "own leadership" when the ISS clearly asked "will you be attacking POS's" the response back was "that cannot be ruled out"
Lets have a little look at the facts ...
1) The IAC declared war on the ISS ........... fact
2) The attack was planned ahead and the outcome was to be a total attack ...... fact (I was in the conversations)
3) The IAC stated that POS's wars are "not" to be ruled out .............. fact
IAC statements .......... Fiction
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Vando
Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Press Officer 2) The attack was planned ahead and the outcome was to be a total attack ...... fact (I was in the conversations)
Possibly the worst proof of fact I've ever witnessed, well done indeed.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:10:00 -
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Okies finally caught up with his thread....
IAC are under extreme pressure, they are about to lose thier homelands, I see the same outrageous denial that you always see from an entity in extereme danger of a serious blow being dealt.
You should of already arranged peace with ISS, maybe its already too late, maybe not, but I urge you not to doubt the severity of the impact your alliance wil take should your stations fall.
Cmon guys, your liked and generally thought of in a good nature, this war was a mistake, ISSs reaction was an obvious one, and you are outgunned.
Stop the madness, make a treaty and look forward. Ideas of revenge once the dust has settled are all well and good, but there is little reality in it if your axe is only half the size.
Recently another Entity made the mistake of under estimating their opponents, they no longer own their space, do not be another victim of pride.
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Doc Brown
Gallente Tyrell Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer
Justice was overdue.
Long overdue, payback is sure fun _________________________________________________
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Brown
Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer
Justice was overdue.
Long overdue, payback is sure fun
Bitter some? Funny ... Curse Coalition/TYC spent 10 months griefing IAC, only to have their homes torn from them.
Enjoy it guys while you ride the wave.
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Cker Heel
ISS Logistics Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Thundirr AT NO POINT DID IAC EVER ATTACK ANY ISS POS OR STATION. FOR 3 DAYS WE HAD FULL ACCCESS TO ISS SPACE SURROUNDING F4 FOR 3 DAYS WE COULD HAVE ATTACKED ANY POS/STATION BUT DID NOT.
Everyone thinks we were going to take ISS stations. Yeah our actions should speak loud enough there.
Then why didn't you say so up front that IAC had no intentions to attack ISS stations? Count asked point-blank and was told 'Maybe'.
IAC could have simple said "No, we have no desire to take ISS stations".
Instead Tyraxx and ns x chose to say "Maybe". ISS acted accordingly.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ Okies finally caught up with his thread....
IAC are under extreme pressure, they are about to lose thier homelands, I see the same outrageous denial that you always see from an entity in extereme danger of a serious blow being dealt.
You should of already arranged peace with ISS, maybe its already too late, maybe not, but I urge you not to doubt the severity of the impact your alliance wil take should your stations fall.
Cmon guys, your liked and generally thought of in a good nature, this war was a mistake, ISSs reaction was an obvious one, and you are outgunned.
Stop the madness, make a treaty and look forward. Ideas of revenge once the dust has settled are all well and good, but there is little reality in it if your axe is only half the size.
Recently another Entity made the mistake of under estimating their opponents, they no longer own their space, do not be another victim of pride.
Eddz, we're actually a diplomatic alliance that responds to it's members requests. The day before LV arrived I said "The storm is coming, here are some options". To my shock, the resounding vote was "Die ISS".
In all honesty, you may ask us to lay pride aside but there are some realities here that go far beyond ISS' involvment in this.
- Not ONCE has an ISS offical said, that from ISS pockets this has been funded. - MC's involvment will be clarified as some ISS investor, seeking rage and thus won't be called off. - LV and FIX aren't in this for money and will most likely continue a winning streak.
Surrendering to ISS means one thing, loss of dignity. The rest will seemingly follow as planned.
Until then, we will laugh at James Lyrus eve-mailing every IAC CEO, saying "leave this space under armistace, we will arrange some other place for you to live."
We will also laugh at Count's arrogance towards two of IAC's leadership team that sought to discuss some items that needed addressing. I can't remember if count was busy sieging a POS in his Pheonix or assigning fighters to his swarm, but he did basically tell them to 'stop annoying him'.
They true lame behaviour of ISS' leaders comes through as they ride the wave of success that they have paid for and should rightfully demand.
In the end, it's a comedy of epic proportions that shows both ISS and IAC's weaknesses. Fortunately for IAC there is no shame in being sieged by 8000 pilots worth of alliances and crying no tears.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:48:00 -
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Quote: Then why didn't you say so up front that IAC had no intentions to attack ISS stations? Count asked point-blank and was told 'Maybe'.
IAC could have simple said "No, we have no desire to take ISS stations".
Instead Tyraxx and ns x chose to say "Maybe". ISS acted accordingly.
Simple they couldn't and now the "forum warriors" are trying to save face when they have totally messed up and things are getting sore .... (BTW KY helps)
Some free advice .... keep he IAC "warriors" away from their keyboards, get the IAC leadership to talk to Count Tas and maybe you can save what your bad planning and greed may have lost you.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:52:00 -
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Quote: Eddz, we're actually a diplomatic alliance that responds to it's members requests. The day before LV arrived I said "The storm is coming, here are some options". To my shock, the resounding vote was "Die ISS".
"Die ISS", your true colors finally shine thru ............ now i guess its time the IAC started fighting and less forum waring before they lose everything.
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Press Officer blah blah blah
Whoever you are, you're a lame alt. Post with you main and I will address your questions.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:54:00 -
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If IAC offered the hand of peace, then ISS would be fools not to accept it, plain n simple. Yes right now IAC are getting btfked, but then they have 4 large entities seiging their territory, for IAC to swallow the defeat now and get through this intact, should be their priority right now.
If the arrogance of ISS means they are now looking at IAC under pressure and coveting thier stations.... then they need to rethink where they stand, the tides of power and the tables of pressure can turn in an instant, better to be the man that stood in honour, than the coward that struck out in fear.
IAC made a LARGE mistake in the move vs ISS, probably didnt expect such a reaction, and maybe werent really looking for anything more than a fun war, ISS shouldn't make a mistake of similar gravity and snub the hand of peace if offered, public opinion is everything in these matters, isk only has so much power (as we have discussed).
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Azrael Bierce
Cult of Lemen
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
- MC's involvment will be clarified as some ISS investor, seeking rage and thus won't be called off.
It has always been my understanding that ISS has MC on retainer to defend their assets.
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:55:00 -
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Quote: Whoever you are, you're a lame alt. Post with you main and I will address your questions.
Valid questions, stop hiding .... or are you going to deny your own statements
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n sx
The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Press Officer
Quote: Whoever you are, you're a lame alt. Post with you main and I will address your questions.
Valid questions, stop hiding .... or are you going to deny your own statements
Valid questions they may be, but I will not address a single question from an alt.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Azrael Bierce
Originally by: n sx
- MC's involvment will be clarified as some ISS investor, seeking rage and thus won't be called off.
It has always been my understanding that ISS has MC on retainer to defend their assets.
Even if they didn't, an appraoch waving a significant amount of isk under Sels nose, will cause an immediate reaction.
MC like many of the top guys can be inplace and ready to go in under 24 hrs if the money makes it worth the hassle. I'm guessing this time it was.
KIA EVE Home
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:00:00 -
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I'm not an alt .... look mum I have a corp and I can dance ...
So ........ we all agree that ..... the IAC
1) Made a big mistake by attacking a netrual allliance
2) The going to lose F4 if the hostilities continue
3) They need to swallow some pride, admitt they messed up and ask for peace.
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Tyrian Solteuer
Caldari Tyrell Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
Originally by: Doc Brown
Originally by: Tyrian Solteuer
Justice was overdue.
Long overdue, payback is sure fun
Bitter some? Funny ... Curse Coalition/TYC spent 10 months griefing IAC, only to have their homes torn from them.
Enjoy it guys while you ride the wave.
We honestly believed that despite our conflict you guys would support us against such obvious backstabbing and honor less actions on the traitor's part. Instead you threw your lot in with them immediately. Even after they infiltrated your alliance too. Bitter? Oh yes. But theres no better salve for it than a little payback on those that really deserve it.
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Witch Doctor
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:02:00 -
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These threads are now getting into legendary territory. I have fully cycled through amusement, irritation, incredulity, disgust, resignation, and apathy and find myself being highly amused again.
There are forum lies, and there are the lies behind the lies, and somewhere behind that is the truth. The theme now is "cognitive dissonance".
For those in the peanut gallery, I suggest reading through the older threads. There is some very good comedy in there, including some LV baiting where Enslaver was basically told to put up or SFTU. Since LV is now getting total credit for the siege's success, that seems like a colossal blunder.
I'm still interested in seeing the endgame here.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ If IAC offered the hand of peace, then ISS would be fools not to accept it, plain n simple. Yes right now IAC are getting btfked, but then they have 4 large entities seiging their territory, for IAC to swallow the defeat now and get through this intact, should be their priority right now.
If the arrogance of ISS means they are now looking at IAC under pressure and coveting thier stations.... then they need to rethink where they stand, the tides of power and the tables of pressure can turn in an instant, better to be the man that stood in honour, than the coward that struck out in fear.
IAC made a LARGE mistake in the move vs ISS, probably didnt expect such a reaction, and maybe werent really looking for anything more than a fun war, ISS shouldn't make a mistake of similar gravity and snub the hand of peace if offered, public opinion is everything in these matters, isk only has so much power (as we have discussed).
I think its gone beyond this now.
I don't speak in any sort of official capacity, but even if ISS pulled out, I doubt our allies would. ISS are not driving this anymore, it has a momentum of its own.
The real question many are now asking, is what to do in the aftermath.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: Azrael Bierce
Originally by: n sx
- MC's involvment will be clarified as some ISS investor, seeking rage and thus won't be called off.
It has always been my understanding that ISS has MC on retainer to defend their assets.
Even if they didn't, an appraoch waving a significant amount of isk under Sels nose, will cause an immediate reaction.
MC like many of the top guys can be inplace and ready to go in under 24 hrs if the money makes it worth the hassle. I'm guessing this time it was.
Pretty much. The initial strike / deployment of POS was planned and prepared in about 4 hours. I don't think many people within the MC knew anything prior to 4 hours before the first tower started anchoring. -
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: maGz on 21/12/2006 17:15:49
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: KIAEddZ If IAC offered the hand of peace, then ISS would be fools not to accept it, plain n simple. Yes right now IAC are getting btfked, but then they have 4 large entities seiging their territory, for IAC to swallow the defeat now and get through this intact, should be their priority right now.
If the arrogance of ISS means they are now looking at IAC under pressure and coveting thier stations.... then they need to rethink where they stand, the tides of power and the tables of pressure can turn in an instant, better to be the man that stood in honour, than the coward that struck out in fear.
IAC made a LARGE mistake in the move vs ISS, probably didnt expect such a reaction, and maybe werent really looking for anything more than a fun war, ISS shouldn't make a mistake of similar gravity and snub the hand of peace if offered, public opinion is everything in these matters, isk only has so much power (as we have discussed).
I think its gone beyond this now.
I don't speak in any sort of official capacity, but even if ISS pulled out, I doubt our allies would. ISS are not driving this anymore, it has a momentum of its own.
The real question many are now asking, is what to do in the aftermath.
Seeing as MC (supposedly) is the dominant force around F4/JBY/G-7 now, it is totally in ISS' hands to stop it (as they have hired MC), should IAC decided to engage in peace talks. In short, your comment holds little merit unless MC obviously wasn't hired, meaning they're doing all of this to protect an investment. ____________
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: maGz
Seeing as MC (supposedly) is the dominant force around F4/JBY/G-7 now, it is totally in ISS' hands to stop it (as they have hired MC), should IAC decided to engage in peace talks. In short, your comment holds little merit unless MC obviously wasn't hired, meaning they're doing all of this to protect an investment.
And as neither you nor I are privy to such information, we'll never know.
And I doubt anyone will tell us.
------------- Be a part of EVE history - The 500bn ISS IPO.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: maGz on 21/12/2006 17:36:10
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: maGz
Seeing as MC (supposedly) is the dominant force around F4/JBY/G-7 now, it is totally in ISS' hands to stop it (as they have hired MC), should IAC decided to engage in peace talks. In short, your comment holds little merit unless MC obviously wasn't hired, meaning they're doing all of this to protect an investment.
And as neither you nor I are privy to such information, we'll never know.
And I doubt anyone will tell us.
I agree completely. I was just throwing one out there for the sake of discussion
EDIT: Although, in hindsight, I'm not sure such a discussion is suited for this thread, nor for these forums at all due to the flamatory nature of the subject. ____________
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Smoking Mirror
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Smoking Mirror on 21/12/2006 17:30:33 What do people think ISS should do? What are ISS's options here?
What deal, if any, would IAC make that addresses ISS's legitimate security concerns, now that IAC has demonstrated this kind of aggression? How is ISS supposed to trust IAC at this point?
What can/should ISS do?
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Press Officer
Leaked Memo's
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:36:00 -
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The ISS should do nothing ... as IAC is the agressor then its up to them to be smart and act.
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