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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:16:00 -
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Actually that depends on whether or not the ganker brings enough damage to finish the gank before concord pops by. |

Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
62
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:18:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Why would CCP want to scare carebears into 0.0?
They don't this is merely propaganda. CCP just want's you to use the sandbox in an emmersive, persistent universe driven by conflict and competition. |

Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
62
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:28:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Actually that depends on whether or not the ganker brings enough damage to finish the gank before concord pops by.
Incorrect, Concord is a consequence of aggression which is PvP.
The outcome of such aggression is a moot point. PvP can happen anywhere at any time for no reason. |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:32:00 -
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What I was getting at was that if concord pops you before you pop the guy you're ganking, concord has in effect protected the potential gankee. |

Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
0
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:39:00 -
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Ganking high-sec'ers is not PvP. |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
273
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:40:00 -
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*****, you trollin' |

Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
63
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:44:00 -
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Random Majere wrote:Ganking high-sec'ers is not PvP.
Its Player VS Player interaction. So yes it is PvP. |

Tore Vest
Vikinghall
104
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:46:00 -
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Oh... cmon onw lord zim..... find urself a PL fleet to gank.... You have plenty pvp in low/null
Leave us Highsec carebears alone  |

Connaght Badasaz
Phobos Defense Initiative
0
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:49:00 -
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After having fought real people in real wars, pvp in any game is a joke. I don't have time to deal with asshats in a corp, and I don't want to feel obligated to log in because i have to.
I pretty much want to do my own thing and not be bothered. Time is the most important resource, why should I spend my time grinding isk to get a boat that someone may pop because they are bored? Their boredom cost me time. Is it a pvp game? Could be I suppose. I play when I feel like it, sometines not for months. This character is nearly a year old with barely over 2m sp. And it's not my first character.
Other characters I have had lived in null. X'ing up was fun. The first time. 20 folks to pop a ratting cruiser. WOW WHAT A RUSH.
I play when I want and how I want. I watch my wallet flash, then I spend it on random skill or boat and do random things. I can pvp a bit, probe a bit, or mission/salvage a bit. I took an Executioner with a ghetto tackle fit into low/null. And found it devoid of habitation. Fun, let me tell you.
I do what I do because I want to. Goal? Most likely on any given day, I don't have one. I just do what I do because I want to.
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Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
63
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:53:00 -
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Connaght Badasaz wrote:After having fought real people in real wars, pvp in any game is a joke. I don't have time to deal with asshats in a corp, and I don't want to feel obligated to log in because i have to.
I pretty much want to do my own thing and not be bothered. Time is the most important resource, why should I spend my time grinding isk to get a boat that someone may pop because they are bored? Their boredom cost me time. Is it a pvp game? Could be I suppose. I play when I feel like it, sometines not for months. This character is nearly a year old with barely over 2m sp. And it's not my first character.
Other characters I have had lived in null. X'ing up was fun. The first time. 20 folks to pop a ratting cruiser. WOW WHAT A RUSH.
I play when I want and how I want. I watch my wallet flash, then I spend it on random skill or boat and do random things. I can pvp a bit, probe a bit, or mission/salvage a bit. I took an Executioner with a ghetto tackle fit into low/null. And found it devoid of habitation. Fun, let me tell you.
I do what I do because I want to. Goal? Most likely on any given day, I don't have one. I just do what I do because I want to.
Play however you want to that is 100% OKAY! I SUPPORT IT! but don't come bitching on the forums because your particular playstyle puts you at a disadvantage in some cases. |
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Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
41
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Posted - 2011.12.10 16:57:00 -
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Surge Roth wrote:Pavel Bidermann wrote:Oh, and you need bots. Lots and lots of bots. Don't flatter yourself. They're simply better than you ever will be. Until you start taking an active role to stop whatever they're doing that's making you mad, they will continue to be better than you. The tools are already in the game to take a piece of that pie, but you're bitching and moaning like a little school girl instead. Give me your stuff when you decide to quit.
What are you taking about here? You quoted me about the bot ( which at least one post in every thread is REQUIRED to have by the way) and then start talking about pies. What does that even mean? Who is better at what?
Actually, I'vee been known to post when I've been drinking too.... |

Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
63
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Posted - 2011.12.10 17:01:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote:Surge Roth wrote:Pavel Bidermann wrote:Oh, and you need bots. Lots and lots of bots. Don't flatter yourself. They're simply better than you ever will be. Until you start taking an active role to stop whatever they're doing that's making you mad, they will continue to be better than you. The tools are already in the game to take a piece of that pie, but you're bitching and moaning like a little school girl instead. Give me your stuff when you decide to quit. What are you taking about here? You quoted me about the bot ( which at least one post in every thread is REQUIRED to have by the way) and then start talking about pies. What does that even mean? Who is better at what? Actually, I'vee been known to post when I've been drinking too....
I was kind of confused too at this post I thought I was just ********. Maybe we're both ******** i don't know. |

Connaght Badasaz
Phobos Defense Initiative
0
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Posted - 2011.12.10 17:01:00 -
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Never would I complain. I signed up to play the game. If I get popped, well hell, maybe I learned not to get popped in that way again. Or maybe I look for some kind of payback. Or maybe I do nothing at all, buy another ship and back to doing whatever I was doing.
This unending stream of "my way or the highway" complaints from folks is getting tedious. Enjoy your game. Pop miners, set up a pos. Shoot someone elses pos. Mine. Build, Destroy. Whatever.
At the end of life none of it matters anyway. Spend time bitching and that's time you could have spent doing something else. |

Flakey Foont
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2011.12.10 17:07:00 -
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To each his own. |

Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
0
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Posted - 2011.12.10 17:19:00 -
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Embrace My Hate wrote:Random Majere wrote:Ganking high-sec'ers is not PvP. Its Player VS Player interaction. So yes it is PvP.
Then it is a cowardly way to do PvP.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
274
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Posted - 2011.12.10 17:20:00 -
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E-BUSHIDO FOREVER |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
274
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Posted - 2011.12.10 17:20:00 -
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(you're a dumbfuck) |

Surge Roth
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.12.10 17:34:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Surge Roth wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Surge Roth wrote: [Cliche'd, generic null-lemming crap] [butthurt over the truth being spoken for once] Remember, when you assume things it makes an ass out of you and me. So, stop it. Bigger/richer =/= better, lemming. Now who's assuming?
CCP didn't just give them the money they have now. They went out there and fought for it. Earned it. More than what you have ever done. But, nothing is stopping you from getting with other people who want to see things changed and doing something about it, except for your anti-social behavior.
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Random Majere
Rogue Fleet
0
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Posted - 2011.12.10 20:35:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:(you're a dumbfuck)
Wow!! |

Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
64
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Posted - 2011.12.10 20:47:00 -
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Random Majere wrote:Embrace My Hate wrote:Random Majere wrote:Ganking high-sec'ers is not PvP. Its Player VS Player interaction. So yes it is PvP. Then it is a cowardly way to do PvP.
Cowardly is merely your opinion but nonetheless it is PvP by definition. |
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Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
11
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Posted - 2011.12.10 21:40:00 -
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Wow dumbfuck is actually not in the swear filter. Now THAT is a discovery worth noting.
However I do wish for a more friendly communication. I predict this game would be very boring and downright dead if there were no more highsecers, scammers, brokers, industrials, producers, wormholers etc. I say it again, its a sandbox and every playstyle contributes to the overall experience of Eve Online. And every subscriber deserves some love and sympathy from the Devs, because every subscriber pays an equal monthly fee.
If 0.0 think they deserve better and more than anybody else, I have a proposal: Make a premium membership for people who want to join 0.0 which costs twice the amount of fees or Plexes. If you dont have your shiny gold membership you cant jump into 0.0 In that case I might understand why CCP does so much for 0.0 and boosts their income at every opportunity.
How is that for starters?
And seriously I have played enough games in my time and know every role in an MMO, I credit big corp and alliance leaders as well as great fleet commanders for their work and expertize, but the normal 0.0 player who rolls with the crowd certainly doesnt play this game better or more fully (who came up with that term anyway?) than the average highsecer. Its just a DIFFERENT playstyle, nothing more nothing less. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
144
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Posted - 2011.12.10 21:42:00 -
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Zevina wrote:If 0.0 think they deserve better and more than anybody else, I have a proposal: Make a premium membership for people who want to join 0.0 which costs twice the amount of fees or Plexes. If you dont have your shiny gold membership you cant jump into 0.0 In that case I might understand why CCP does so much for 0.0 and boosts their income at every opportunity.
How is that for starters?. lol wut |

Gealbhan
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
93
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Posted - 2011.12.10 21:45:00 -
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I'm curious as to what the OP means by "you people". |

IIIAsharakIII
GR3Y N0MADS
10
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Posted - 2011.12.10 21:48:00 -
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Why?
Highsecers are the forbidden fruit of eve.
Don't eat that apple..... |

Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
275
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Posted - 2011.12.10 21:57:00 -
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Zevina wrote:And every subscriber deserves some love and sympathy from the Devs, because every subscriber pays an equal monthly fee. While this is a nice thought, and something which I would've been in agreement with just 2 years ago, sometimes something just needs much more attention for a period of time because it has either been neglected for too long, or it's just gone down the completely wrong path, and is in danger of ruining a whole part of the game. See FW as an example which isn't nullsec.
Zevina wrote:If 0.0 think they deserve better and more than anybody else, I have a proposal: Make a premium membership for people who want to join 0.0 which costs twice the amount of fees or Plexes. If you dont have your shiny gold membership you cant jump into 0.0 In that case I might understand why CCP does so much for 0.0 and boosts their income at every opportunity.
How is that for starters? I'm going to just go with "this is a dumb idea and it should die in a fire".
Zevina wrote:And seriously I have played enough games in my time and know every role in an MMO, I credit big corp and alliance leaders as well as great fleet commanders for their work and expertize, but the normal 0.0 player who rolls with the crowd certainly doesnt play this game better or more fully (who came up with that term anyway?) than the average highsecer. Its just a DIFFERENT playstyle, nothing more nothing less. Whomever says nullsec people "play this game better" than whoever stays in hisec, is either dumb as rocks, or an elitist overentitled prick who thinks he's better just because he's in nullsec, which is a hideous fallacious assumption.
As you say, it's just a different playstyle. EVE is a sandbox, whichever way someone decides to play, as long as it is within the rules, is fair game. Scamming, hunting someone down like a dog, mining, it's all part of the sandbox, and literally everything you do in EVE is PVP, and everything is interconnected. |

Zevina
Atomic Core Industries and Science
11
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Posted - 2011.12.10 23:00:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Zevina wrote:And every subscriber deserves some love and sympathy from the Devs, because every subscriber pays an equal monthly fee. While this is a nice thought, and something which I would've been in agreement with just 2 years ago, sometimes something just needs much more attention for a period of time because it has either been neglected for too long, or it's just gone down the completely wrong path, and is in danger of ruining a whole part of the game. See FW as an example which isn't nullsec.
Hell yes of course, but there is also a difference between improving one part of the game to make its unique playstyle more attractive and interesting and just rediculously boosting rewards and income of one part of the game and at the same time taking features away from other parts of the game that benefit a different playstyle. For me thats not improving the game overall but cutting away from the sandbox.
To make PvP more interesting I would also like to see real improvements to FW (which people have been crying for for years) and an overhauled bounty system. Not because I would enjoy these things so much, but because I believe real improvements in these parts will benefit the game as a whole and thus make it interesting for the years to come. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
144
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Posted - 2011.12.10 23:02:00 -
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We are hungry! We must feed!
yeah I totally didn't read the thread but I assume this about highsec ganking?  |

Kaylyis
Aces wild mining corporation The I.D.E.A.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.10 23:06:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Zevina wrote:If 0.0 think they deserve better and more than anybody else, I have a proposal: Make a premium membership for people who want to join 0.0 which costs twice the amount of fees or Plexes. If you dont have your shiny gold membership you cant jump into 0.0 In that case I might understand why CCP does so much for 0.0 and boosts their income at every opportunity.
How is that for starters?. lol wut
I hate low and nullsec as it is now, and even I think this idea is ********. Pay more for the opportunity of getting a nullsec setup if you have the patience and setup for it to do what the game advertises???
people who can get into nullsec despite the giant roadblocks in place deserve to get more income from stuff. Most of my problem stems from the massive powerblocs that make it hard at best to get in and do anything. if you have the patience to build a setup and kiss the ass of the major powerblocs enough to get left alone? Go for it. More power to you, make ****-tons of ISK and ships with my blessing (which is worth about nothing).
Not all of us have buddies who can blue us before we make the attempt, and I've no damned grudges against someone who manages to succeed in a place I suck at. Just don't get pissed when I decline to come and play in that particular pool. |

Opertone
Signal 7
44
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Posted - 2011.12.10 23:46:00 -
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remove warp off after agression, deagrro then warp |

Kaylyis
Aces wild mining corporation The I.D.E.A.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.11 00:00:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:We are hungry! We must feed! yeah I totally didn't read the thread but I assume this about highsec ganking? 
Edit- Whoops, wrong thread. the OP is a self-proclaimed nullsec bandit who doesn't understand the mad-on for pathetically easy kills in highsec. Read his post. makes more sense. |
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