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Angelis666
Amarr Atomic Heroes Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2006.12.13 08:03:00 -
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If it worked proberly it should be my sig now, I just hope it doesnt violate any rules on the forum
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Tharim
Code-Blue
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Posted - 2006.12.13 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: James Snowscoran Wow.
11 million kids die each year before they reach the age of five, most of them by easily preventable diseases.
If they were easily preventable, they wouldn't die.
There are billions spent every year by countless charities on this problem. Its not "easy," and saying so is an insult to all those who devote their life to it.
The existence of one cause does not deny the importance of any other.
Diareah...Its hard to prevent isnt it. I cant help but agreeing with James. Its hard to justify bying toys to american kids when People die from..Diareah.. ------------------------------------------------- I am now going to say something so stupid that i need a disclaimer saying that my corp and/or alliance is not responsible for what i just said. |
Gone'Postal
Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:07:00 -
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\Signed.. My childhood was spend in hospitals. (Must admit I never knew what was going on at that age the only thing I can remember is the hospital and the NES system I had to play on)
Good cause..
The man without a face... The company without a clue.
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: James Snowscoran Wow.
11 million kids die each year before they reach the age of five, most of them by easily preventable diseases.
If they were easily preventable, they wouldn't die.
There are billions spent every year by countless charities on this problem. Its not "easy," and saying so is an insult to all those who devote their life to it.
Easily preventable is just a common way of speech, that describes the difficulty in curing the disease. For example, diarrhea is an easily preventable disease, because it can be prevented in almost all cases by basic sanitation and access to clean drinking water, and it is also pretty simple and inexpensive to cure (a mixture of water, salt and sugar will do the trick in most cases iirc). The fact that the diseases are easy to deal with individually doesn't make the problem easy to deal with on a larger scale, however.
Quote: The existence of one cause does not deny the importance of any other.
I agree. I just don't think Child's Play is a particularly important cause to put the efforts of a charity into. I was also hospitalized for extended periods as a kid, and I can't really say that the lack of xboxes made it unbearable. It was tough, sure, but in the end you look back and realize you were extremely fortunate to have medical institutions around that could actually give you the treatment you needed. I can sympathize with any kids that are inhospitalized, it's tough, sure, but you're given medical treatment the rest of the world could only dream of and for that you should be profoundly grateful. Noone chooses where they get born, after all.
Quote: Kids are kids, they don't care what country they were born or what other problems the world face. They just want to have fun and be happy.
Heh. Lots of kids just want warm clothes, a hot meal, a roof over their heads, clean drinking water or a school they can attend. It all depends on your perspective I guess. -----
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.13 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 13/12/2006 12:59:27
Originally by: Angelis666 If it worked proberly it should be my sig now, I just hope it doesnt violate any rules on the forum
It's a little big, but I doubt they'll mind in this case (you never know) :).
It's a charity aimed at helping people. Some charities aren't aimed at helping the sick, but rather not making their experience a completly horrible one.
Not to mention it's actualy proven that kids in high spirits (happy) generaly have a greater chance of surviving a child with the same illness, who is not.
I spent quite a few weeks of my childhood in hospital due to something I don't really like to talk about, and I still visit there every once in a while. It's a horrible site seeing children lying in bed, not doing anything, and books just don't cut it sometimes. This gives them something that they're able to enjoy, possibly more-so than books.
At the end of the day, if it helps just one child forget about their illness for a few hours, then I'm all for it.
Quote: I just don't think Child's Play is a particularly important cause to put the efforts of a charity into. I was also hospitalized for extended periods as a kid, and I can't really say that the lack of xboxes made it unbearable. It was tough, sure......
That's exactly that they're trying to doing. Make it less tough on kids with illnesses. ---
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:13:00 -
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Heh, reading from the site I imagine something stupid like this:
You > "Hey Timmy. I got some good news and bad news." Timmy > "Okay..." You > "I am sorry to inform you that you only have 5 days left. But look at the bright side, we were so lucky and got a donation, and we manage to buy Nintendo Wii.." You > "Now you can Wii your life out for the next 5 days."
TIMMY HAPPY? NO I DO NOT THINK SO!
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Jeanpierre Duvall
Caldari Spectral Armada Eternal Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jeanpierre Duvall on 13/12/2006 13:23:12 Well. I've gotta agree with James on this. But then making sure that kids in the industrial world have toys to play with is also a good cause. Making sure they have a X-box is just lame IMHO.
There are several very important things to make sure there is money to build a better world. Food for the starving, Meds for the sick, Research to bring new meds for incurable deceases, tools and machinery to make ppl independant. But also enviromental causes and research.
But what you donate money to is and always will be your own choise and is very colored by your experience. I donate money to the ones I deem Important.
On a slight side note. Why just not sign up as a volunteer and read stories to the children. A grownup keeping them company is surely better then a X-box. One hour per week is more then enough.
Edit: Oh. And also One thing don't exclude the next thing.
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran Wow.
11 million kids die each year before they reach the age of five, most of them by easily preventable diseases. Speaking metaphorically, the kids in American, European or Australian hospitals won the jackpot. They're getting medical treatment that most people can only dream about, and as such I think it's pretty damn redundant to do fundraising to solve what is, frankly, a very very minor issue in the world of 2006, namely the lack of video games and entertainment equipment in (predominantly) American hospitals.
Child's play was created to show the public that gamers can do great things when they band together. To me, it shows more than anything that gamers are maybe incapable of looking past their own noses when it comes to spotting the real issues that needs to be adressed in today's world.
Dude
Different charities for different things.
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Rehmes
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:33:00 -
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Being an International Relations major has allowed me to see what some of these less fortunate countries are like, a meeting with the South African Ambassador (though her country isnt as bad as others ofc) was an eye opener in itself.
I think as indviduals we feel strongly about different causes and i sometimes find myself divided because there seems like so much has to be done yet so little is being done.
Whatever cause you feel strongly for please do your best to encourage the cause and increase aweareness about it. I think the more people realize how fortunate we all are to be able to afford to play a videogame the more they realize that they are capable of doing a little bit more.
Any little bit helps and even if you never meet the people you are helping i am sure they will be grateful for your aid. As for childplay i will support it. Many kids in those hospitals have been there for many months and some have terminal diseases. We sometimes play EvE to relax and get away from RL and it is no different to these kids hooked up to all sorts of machines.
Please donate w/e you can to w/e cause you feel strongly about its a season of giving and im sure many of us could at least spare a dollar or two to these foundations.
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:36:00 -
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gus, honestly stop the ethics discussions!
help if you want to! help where you think it's right!
as this is a gamer community this is where one can propse helping via supporting that chisld's play thingy.
Originally by: George Petsch Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
My sig is blue not pink although i can't argue with the slave part - Xorus wth whats this blue stuff all of a sudden? Did I miss a mail? -eris Bwahahahaha!11 Immy was here
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rig0r
Arcane Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:26:00 -
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I wonder what's wrong with the EVE community lately that we're now debating charities. Get a fricking life. Donate if you want, don't if you do not.
Enough of the stupid whining Not EVERYTHING needs to be discussed.
Creator of eve-killboard.net. Get the killboard here.
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Spix 'UK
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Spix ''UK on 13/12/2006 14:37:09
Originally by: Trollin Edited by: Trollin on 13/12/2006 00:43:09 Donation made.
feel free to donate meds to little african orphans on your own time James.
I dont agree with sending money to Afican orphans .. if there county cant help there own.. then its tuff really we should look after are own... & sure like the OP sending money for kids to play games while there layin on there death beds is a good idea.. as they prob dont have what ever other kids have.. the freedom to go outside & play with others etc so they should at least have some fun :) as for things like sending money to 3rd world places.. I totally disagree with it... why are they having more kids.. etc etc. when they have no food or running water, there bein stupid... why reproduce & spread AIDS etc. etc.. just wrong...they should learn to adapt & work it out for them selfs.. & if they cant perhaps.. its GODS way ( joke about the god lark.. but if ya belive in that ur choice ) of saying they should not bring any more into this world..
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Kerc Kasha
Caldari Tsunami Syndicate Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:37:00 -
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Dear god James, why not get off your ass and ship yourself to africa if it means that much to you that you put down another charity. The whole point of child's play is to make life for children that have to LIVE in a hospital the SLIGHEST bit more enjoyable. There is no such thing as an "more important charity" its all on personal opinion, so don't put down other people's opinions and then expect everyone to accept yours. Thats just sheer ignorance at its best.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:38:00 -
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I think this is great. Its great for CCP to put it up on their forums and give the charity a little free exposure to help out the kids.
Xornicon Altair of my corp put a link on our corp forums to the charity last week, and even sent out a mail to our corp asking folks if they could to help them out. That was kinda neat :)
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Atreides Horza
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran /Not Signed.
Just remember when deciding where to buy your conscience this Christmas, there are kids out there who have more grave concerns than getting an xbox to play with, and that would envy the plentiful food, medicines and clean sheets kids get at hospitals in the USA and Canada.
... and this comment puts food into how many kids' mouthes? Let alone X-box'es in the beds of how many terminally ill children?
Not signing up is one thing and a fair deal, but demeaning the efforts of other with smart@ss remarks about conscience consumption is, in my opinion, extremely bad taste...
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Altaree
Gallente Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:45:00 -
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Just found them using GuideStar. Guidestar Link
They are legit as far as the IRS is concerned. Donate with an unconcerned mind. They are still too young for their financial information to have made it through the IRS and back to the web.
Fix The Web Servers
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Spix 'UK
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Spix ''UK on 13/12/2006 15:05:49
Originally by: James Snowscoran Wow.
11 million kids die each year before they reach the age of five, most of them by easily preventable diseases. Speaking metaphorically, the kids in American, European or Australian hospitals won the jackpot. They're getting medical treatment that most people can only dream about, and as such I think it's pretty damn redundant to do fundraising to solve what is, frankly, a very very minor issue in the world of 2006, namely the lack of video games and entertainment equipment in (predominantly) American hospitals.
Child's play was created to show the public that gamers can do great things when they band together. To me, it shows more than anything that gamers are maybe incapable of looking past their own noses when it comes to spotting the real issues that needs to be adressed in today's world.
11 million you say ? ... well perhaps they can lower that them selfs.. if they stop bein like little rabbits.. they are never goin to amount to anything.. nor will they ever be of any use to this world.. its all about balance... & it shows.. that perhaps they are just not ment to be... you should stop worrying about some 3rd world country & perhaps look at helping things like Cancer or sumthing in the world that can help everyone... not some people who dont even have running water or care about anyone else..
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merc999
Caldari SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:51:00 -
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I support an Ex Forces charity, Why ? because I am Ex -Forces and have a link to what they do
I support a charity for transport Industry workers, Why? because I spent 20+ years in the transport and have a link to what they do.
I will support this charity, Why? because I get a lot of enjoyment from gaming, and that gives me a link to what they do.
Everyone is free to follow their own conscience and beliefs when giving to charity (or not), and I think with the plethora of charities out there it is human nature to look for one that you have an affinity too.
I dont believe that one charity is more valuable, or important than another, they just do different things and meet different needs.
Bickering over wether one charity should be supported over another is sad, there is a place for all. |
merc999
Caldari SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.12.13 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: merc999 on 13/12/2006 15:05:29 Double post |
Bael'Zhaeron
Minmatar Crabbs
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:07:00 -
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Im sorry james if you feel your cause is more worthy then others, for me helping is helping. And if i can do that just by sending a game or buying a kid a book that he wanted, im not gonna feel shamed todo so. Seeing that i rather start giving back to my community may it be helping a homeless or giving blood, rather then sending cash or clothes that "most" of the times get stopped and robbed by rebels and/or greedy politicans. What im trying to say is every cause is a good cause but it's hard to give when you are homeless or bankrupt even if you live in the richest country in the world.
Ask yourself what you can do for youre community.
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Atreides Horza
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Atreides Horza on 13/12/2006 15:11:41
Originally by: Spix 'UK Edited by: Spix ''UK on 13/12/2006 15:05:49 11 million you say ? ... well perhaps they can lower that them selfs.. if they stop bein like little rabbits.. they are never goin to amount to anything.. nor will they ever be of any use to this world.. its all about balance... & it shows.. that perhaps they are just not ment to be... you should stop worrying about some 3rd world country & perhaps look at helping things like Cancer or sumthing in the world that can help everyone... not some people who dont even have running water or care about anyone else..
I wonder if that little number in brackets to the right of the posting date is the actual post number or your IQ...
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toots galore
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Posted - 2006.12.13 15:17:00 -
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Quote: 11 million you say ? ... well perhaps they can lower that them selfs.. if they stop bein like little rabbits.. they are never goin to amount to anything..
If they dont get your attitude , they will have already become a better human being than you will ever be
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Spix 'UK
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest It's difficult to say who I disagree with more... James the self righteous **** who thinks the only worthwhile charity is his charity or Spix'UK (I hope UK doesn't mean my country is responsible for this ) who's blatantly racist and mind bogglingly ignorant...
James, I think I at least get what you're saying. But you can have both? And it's good that there's both. It's good that simpler things like giving happiness to kids stuck in hospitals isn't overlooked by charities. I think your heart is in the right place, but can we not just say, while not equally, they are both important causes and having one doesn't devalue another?
Spix...I can't understand where you're coming from at all. I can't even begin to point out what's wrong with you or your thinking. Just please, seek help. It's extremely ironic that you link 'not having running water' with 'not caring about anyone else' when it seems obvious that you do have running water and you don't care about anyone else.
Why the hell are both of you *****ing about charities for gods sake. There are better things to ***** about. Like you two
Please dont even bring race into this... as people have said throwing 500million at this problem would not fix it... nothing will.. so am saying its a much better idea.. to send money to things like Cancer.. or things like "childs play " etc etc threw out the world then direct the money to other places were its not goin to make any impact at all that could effect anyone in the long run.. "big picture"
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Victor Kruger
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Kruger on 13/12/2006 16:23:44 My funds for this year have already been invested in a Mahagony Heartwood computer mouse. The material was very hard to aquire and required the relocation of an entire Pigmy tribe to gain access to the trees. Also, a very rare leopard subspecies got extinct in the process.
I'll make sure to polish the mouse daily with a seal skin though, so the effort was worth it.
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Spix 'UK
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Posted - 2006.12.13 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Kruger Edited by: Victor Kruger on 13/12/2006 16:23:44 My funds for this year have already been invested in a Mahagony Heartwood computer mouse. The material was very hard to aquire and required the relocation of an entire Pigmy tribe to gain access to the trees. Also, a very rare leopard subspecies got extinct in the process.
I'll make sure to polish the mouse daily with a seal skin though, so the effort was worth it.
O RLY?
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Kastar
Chronodynamics
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Spix 'UK
Originally by: Kalahari Wayrest It's difficult to say who I disagree with more... James the self righteous **** who thinks the only worthwhile charity is his charity or Spix'UK (I hope UK doesn't mean my country is responsible for this ) who's blatantly racist and mind bogglingly ignorant...
James, I think I at least get what you're saying. But you can have both? And it's good that there's both. It's good that simpler things like giving happiness to kids stuck in hospitals isn't overlooked by charities. I think your heart is in the right place, but can we not just say, while not equally, they are both important causes and having one doesn't devalue another?
Spix...I can't understand where you're coming from at all. I can't even begin to point out what's wrong with you or your thinking. Just please, seek help. It's extremely ironic that you link 'not having running water' with 'not caring about anyone else' when it seems obvious that you do have running water and you don't care about anyone else.
Why the hell are both of you *****ing about charities for gods sake. There are better things to ***** about. Like you two
Please dont even bring race into this... as people have said throwing 500million at this problem would not fix it... nothing will.. so am saying its a much better idea.. to send money to things like Cancer.. or things like "childs play " etc etc threw out the world then direct the money to other places were its not goin to make any impact at all that could effect anyone in the long run.. "big picture"
We need free choice of opinions Sir, we need all alternatives we can get. Don't abuse my comment about the 500 M. all problems have a solution. Please just relativate and put everything in it's contest. -----------------------------------------------
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler ...We support child's play partly because we're all gamers and this is gaming related...
I too was wondering what this thread was all about, so I read the entire thing. I very nearly quoted several posters who have issues with Child's Play as a specific cause. Some to agree wholeheartedly with, and others to disagree with.
Then I went back and remembered the post [partially] quoted above.
And that is it really. I can see the gaming connection.
Nicola and I have three little girls and I/we empathise with ANY child 's parent/s or guardian/s who have to watch their little ones suffer.
Just because that child was born into the West, doesn't make there plight any less important. Yes, there is without a shadow of a doubt, many more children who if there ever was a scale, would be higher up. Such as those without the absolute basics who despite being born healthy, will die purely based on where they were born.
But like I said, a child is a child. If the poster who objected to an xBox being donated to an US hospital [the US btw, has one of the worst records on child poverty per capita in the entire world] could give a piece of bread to a child that will be dead in one week anyway or to a child who would survive with that piece fo bread, what would he do? You break up the bread and give it to both. That's what you do.
Yes, charities are massively guilty of disproportionate prioritising - especially in the West, but like that dev said, this is simply a charity that is relevant to gamers, and I, for one applaud it. Nicola and I won't be donating because I/we have other causes we prefer to assist with our meagre income. But that is not to say that we turn up our noses at this particular charity.
Well done CCP, well done.
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HuntKillBury Fin
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:24:00 -
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Oh, and that Spix guy? Seriously mate, if you would care to go and do your research thoroughly about the part that the UK played in what Africa is today and then come back here and type what you did, I am certain that your tune would have changed.
It is not a crime to put across your views, but it is foolish and unwise to soapbox without the least modicum of background knowledge and information relevant to the topic upon which you are preaching.
The history of our Empire is quite frankly littered with some of the worst atrocities forced upon the world in our name. Do not compound our historical crimes by condemning those who we dispossessed and disenfranchised for our own greed for now being poor and in abject despair in current times.
I wonder quite what you would do should someone knock on your door right now, you open it and they hand you a malnourished African child who has less than ten minutes to live. Would you comfort the child or leave her in the corner to die alone?
I know you must have more compassion in your heart than your keyboard.
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HuntKillBury Fin
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:26:00 -
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I'm not posting here any more as this isn't what the thread was all about.
Well done to those who chose to donate, and well done to those who choose to donate to other causes.
Makes you feel a bit humble for a while doesn't it? Certainly stopped me from posting in the other forums about stuff that really isn't important, like if I can get into the game or not.
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Professional Troll
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Posted - 2006.12.13 17:37:00 -
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Donating money toward the impoverished children in third world nations is certainly much more noble that donating money toward toys for sick children, but donating money ttoward toys for sick children will have a greater impact that donatin money toward the impoverished children of third world nations.
For every $50 donated toward impoverished children in third world nations, the impoverished children in third world nations will likely see less than $10 of it, and less than $1 will make a difference tomorrow.
For Every $50 donated toward toys for sick children, the sick children will likely see around $40 of it, and around $25 will make a difference twenty years from now.
Until the charities helping impoverished children in third world nations can actually get most of my money to where it's supposed to be going, I'm going to choose a charity that can.
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