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Euripides Das
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:21:00 -
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Just a quick note. It seems that some alliances here have been setting up false accounts to insert spies into other alliances (instead of say passing somebody 5 Bil ISK ingame) and making false statements to get these alts in. Now assuming that EVE assets have a real world value then, you have just made false statments by wire for gain. In the US this is called wire fraud and there can be both civil and criminal penalties (this means that besides possible criminal charges the folks you defrauded can sue you for a bunch). Before you say "it's just a game" wire fraud is part of the RICO (racketeer influenced corrupt organizations) Act, a bit of law known for it's wide interpertation, and no as long as you can buy ISK on EBAY the argument that the EULA says that Eve assets have no real world value is unlikely to fly.
In short please cool the metagaming folks. It's eventually going to land somebody in hot water.
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Oreh Anavrin
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:29:00 -
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The day someone gets sued for spying in the aforementioned ways is the day I stop playing eve.
I hiiiighly doubt it could happen anyway. My gut tells me it would never stand up in court, but I am no lawyer so who knows.
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nickycakes
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:29:00 -
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lol
Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
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Kane Ululani
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:31:00 -
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Hogwash
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The Alien
Primary Targets
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:32:00 -
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Eve has no spies. Whachutalkinbout?
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SiN x
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:34:00 -
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And what happens when we assume? It makes an *** out of you and me
Your comment on the Eula not holding up in court is unlikely due to ccp actually enforcing said rules against isk sellers when they can. Other than your subscription which is you subscribing to the service of eve and leasing your account in a way. It's the exact reason I could not sue ccp for the last 3 years of subscriptions if I got banned. ---------
What is this programularatering you speak of? - Cortes
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Your Name
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Your Name on 11/12/2006 05:35:21 delete please
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Sodhammer
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:35:00 -
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The day you find an District Attourney willing to prosecute this in the US is the day I move to Canada.
They have better beer anyway
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Lord Draco
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Draco on 11/12/2006 05:37:39 rofl
Ascn alt I presume.
I love TV lawyers.
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:37:00 -
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We are under attack!
Quick! Someone call the lawyers!
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etheris
Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sodhammer The day you find an District Attourney willing to prosecute this in the US is the day I move to Canada.
They have better beer anyway
Im not gonna lie to ya, this chap speaks truth. We do have better beer up here!
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TheDevilsJury
principle of motion R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:50:00 -
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So by the same token, if someone sold me a Caracal named Cerebus and he told me it was a Cerebus, he can be prosecuted.
Or if someone tells me that the other side of a gate is clear, when in fact they know their pirate friends are camping it, and I get ransomed, they can be prosecuted, right?
Because my isk and my ship have a real world value, right?
Yeah, right...
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Ashen Brarn
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:54:00 -
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I think this could work if we get Judge Judy and EveTV involved. ---
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sodhammer The day you find an District Attourney willing to prosecute this in the US is the day I move to Canada.
They have better beer anyway
/signed ---------------------------------
I traded your sig for a cookie, I did it for the cookie, the cookie - Tirg |
CamMan
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Euripides Das Just a quick note. It seems that some alliances here have been setting up false accounts to insert spies into other alliances (instead of say passing somebody 5 Bil ISK ingame) and making false statements to get these alts in. Now assuming that EVE assets have a real world value then, you have just made false statments by wire for gain. In the US this is called wire fraud and there can be both civil and criminal penalties (this means that besides possible criminal charges the folks you defrauded can sue you for a bunch). Before you say "it's just a game" wire fraud is part of the RICO (racketeer influenced corrupt organizations) Act, a bit of law known for it's wide interpertation, and no as long as you can buy ISK on EBAY the argument that the EULA says that Eve assets have no real world value is unlikely to fly.
In short please cool the metagaming folks. It's eventually going to land somebody in hot water.
And one time before the last patch i bought a BPC that was clearly labelled as a BPO on escrow, i am going to sue that guy for that. And then someone called me harsh names in local, and given that my character is worth RL money on ebay, and his value is based upon his reputation i am going to sue that guy too. And then one time someone killed my ship in 1.0 sec space, and my ship is worth isk which is worth RL money so i am going to sue that guy. And then one time ....
jesus man! why are americans so "sue" happy?
For starters in game assests are not worth real life money, they may not be traded or sold for real life money as stated in the EULA. That means that CCP's intellectual property may not be sold! period!
at least post with your main.
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Lag Fest
CAPITAL TRUST FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:01:00 -
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i'd love to see Molle and the rest of BoB leadership getting charged for OMGWTFBBQING someone.
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Annya Avishnaya
Sadist Faction
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Brunswick2
Originally by: Sodhammer The day you find an District Attourney willing to prosecute this in the US is the day I move to Canada.
They have better beer anyway
/signed
\o/
Canada ftw!
And more on topic... if you(anyone) ever seriously begins considering sueing for something that's caused you to loose something in a ******* GAME, you really need to take a good look at yourself, cause you've just graduated to a special brand of loser. Next thing you know, people are gonna be sueing cause their friend/mom/dad/brother/sister/dog/cat/goldfish cheated them in monopoly
In short....get off it and get a damn life.
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Stella Centauri
Spontaneous Defenestration
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:29:00 -
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Rest of the world - meet USA. USA - meet rest of the world.
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levitron
Gallente Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ashen Brarn I think this could work if we get Judge Judy and EveTV involved.
OK that one really got me LOL!!!!!!!!
This may be the funniest thread ever.
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Torshin
TARDZ Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:51:00 -
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My lord we better hope Cyvok doesn't get a chance to read this thread Krin - forget the rest. |
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Unfamed II
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:59:00 -
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ibtl? Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
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Lord Draco
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Stella Centauri Rest of the world - meet USA. USA - meet rest of the world.
tell me where you are from and I can promise you I can also make fun of it. so please, keep the nationalistic **** out of these forums.
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Euripides Das Just a quick note. It seems that some alliances here have been setting up false accounts to insert spies into other alliances (instead of say passing somebody 5 Bil ISK ingame) and making false statements to get these alts in. Now assuming that EVE assets have a real world value then, you have just made false statments by wire for gain. In the US this is called wire fraud and there can be both civil and criminal penalties (this means that besides possible criminal charges the folks you defrauded can sue you for a bunch). Before you say "it's just a game" wire fraud is part of the RICO (racketeer influenced corrupt organizations) Act, a bit of law known for it's wide interpertation, and no as long as you can buy ISK on EBAY the argument that the EULA says that Eve assets have no real world value is unlikely to fly.
In short please cool the metagaming folks. It's eventually going to land somebody in hot water.
RICO has a provision for treble damages if fraud is proven as well :O
In any case, as a law student interested in this sort of stuff I can say that there is still a way to go before everyone has to be really afraid of this sort of thing :)
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: etheris
Originally by: Sodhammer The day you find an District Attourney willing to prosecute this in the US is the day I move to Canada.
They have better beer anyway
Im not gonna lie to ya, this chap speaks truth. We do have better beer up here!
This is a malicious lie. I can't think of any good Canadian beer and I can rattle off about 25 top world breweries in the U.S. off the top of my head :P
Belgian Beer > U.S Beer > all other beer.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:09:00 -
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I swear if ANY of you touch my beer you are going to be so sued.
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Darth Bob
Dark Excession
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:09:00 -
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beside the usual: eve content has no RL value...
I'm not 100% sure this would fall under the RICO act for the same reason as online gambling doesn't fall under the Wire act (prohibiting bets made by phone from states where gambling isn't allowed to where it is allowed)
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:13:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 11/12/2006 07:13:34
Originally by: Darth Bob beside the usual: eve content has no RL value...
I'm not 100% sure this would fall under the RICO act for the same reason as online gambling doesn't fall under the Wire act (prohibiting bets made by phone from states where gambling isn't allowed to where it is allowed)
I don't think the value consideration is the issue.
Rather, the problem is probably standing. The "assets" do not belong to anyone in game other than CCP. It is hard to pull off the analogy usually used to allow Ebaying here because when they take an ingame item they are not quite taking the "time needed to procure it."
In the end, since the ownership of the property has not actually changed hands officially (it was owned by CCP before and after the theft) there is neither a claim upon which relief can be granted (hello 12(b)(6)) nor does the party even have standing.
Edit: RICO is incredibly expansive but has held on. If you can prove fraud you stand a decent shot at getting coverage. It really seems that weird.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Trina Tron
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:31:00 -
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Thanks mr.internet lawer.
What i want to know is do you ebay or gtc your isk? -----------------------------------
Originally by: Santiago Cortes
*Locked*
Begging is not allowed or appreciated on the forums.
Whining remains perfectly acceptable.
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Baun
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 11/12/2006 07:35:56
Originally by: Trina Tron Thanks mr.internet lawer.
What i want to know is do you ebay or gtc your isk?
Yes, because an American law student with an interest in this area wouldn't know anything about American law in this area.
You clearly neither have any idea who I am nor how long I have been playing this game, so take your ignorant slander elsewhere.
Moron.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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arkarsk
Provenance.
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Posted - 2006.12.11 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: arkarsk on 11/12/2006 07:53:33
Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 11/12/2006 07:35:56
Originally by: Trina Tron Thanks mr.internet lawer.
What i want to know is do you ebay or gtc your isk?
Yes, because an American law student with an interest in this area wouldn't know anything about American law in this area.
You clearly neither have any idea who I am nor how long I have been playing this game, so take your ignorant slander elsewhere.
Moron.
And the main is revealed.
A law student? Boy, hope you have a lot left to learn, because you're not showing very much understanding of the material you already "know"
oh,edit, almost forgot:
"DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW IMPORTANT I AM IN THE MMORPG COMMUNITY?" ----------------- http://www.eve-provenance.com |
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