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Olo Amera
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.16 01:17:19 -
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Trying to find a better fit with less bling for level 4's. This is what I currently have fitted. I'm thinking I might be over-tanked and losing out on DPS. Any suggestions?
[Rattlesnake] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Pith X-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Shield Boost Amplifier II Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hammerhead II x5 Gecko x1
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1520
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Posted - 2015.08.16 01:31:32 -
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Tech 2 is LOADS of tank/dps for L4's
3x Purger II's
3x DDA's 3x BCS's
3x LSE II 2x Hardeners 1x AB or MJD 1x Omnidirectional
Cruise Missile II's
1x GECKO !!! <-- main drone
back-up drones 2x Sentry 2x Heavy Hobs .... |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
185
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Posted - 2015.08.16 08:32:12 -
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Wait your using 6 faction damage mods and full deadspace tank, but you only put tech 1 rigs on your rattle? Most active tank fits I have seen (and theres been loads of threads about this very ship) have 3-4 tank mods. so 2 hardeners missions specfic or just 2 adaptive fields, combine it with an xl shield booster and a capacitor booster.
something like this
2 rigor II 1 flare I
Pith Xl shield booster 2 adaptive invuls capactior booster with 800 charge micro jump drive afterburner drone mod tracking link thingy so your gecko wrecks stuff easier target painter
cruise 2s 3 dda 3 bcs.
Will gank for food
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Kestrix
Bedlam Escapees Silent Requiem
183
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Posted - 2015.08.16 10:16:35 -
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This is what I use for level 4 missions.
Rattle Snake:
Large Core Defense Field Purger II x 3
Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier x 1 Shield Power Relay II x 5
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link + Tracking speed Script x 1 Domination Target Painter x 1 Shield Recharger II x 5
Drone Link Augmentor II x 1 Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher + Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
Gecko X 1 Bouncer II x 4 Warrior II x 5
Cargo Hold:
Mobile Depot Mobile Tractor Unit Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missiles Large Micro Jump Drive Salvager II x 2 Bouncer II x 2 Hobgoblin II x 5 Ogre II x 5
Handles anything a level four mission can throw at you. No cap issues. Use the Mobile Depot to put in the Mirco Jump Drive if the NPC.s are too far away or to move fresh drones to your drone bay if they have had a battering. The Gecko kills everything from Frigates upwards with ease I only use sentry's for targets over 50 km away. Can salvage if the mood takes you although my Noctis does a much better job. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4577
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Posted - 2015.08.16 10:31:23 -
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Kestrix wrote:This is what I use for level 4 missions...
Handles anything a level four mission can throw at you. No cap issues. Use the Mobile Depot to put in the Mirco Jump Drive if the NPC.s are too far away or to move fresh drones to your drone bay if they have had a battering. The Gecko kills everything from Frigates upwards with ease I only use sentry's for targets over 50 km away. Can salvage if the mood takes you although my Noctis does a much better job. Sure, but don't you find giving up more than half your DPS drags the missions out?
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Kestrix
Bedlam Escapees Silent Requiem
183
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Posted - 2015.08.16 15:26:31 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Kestrix wrote:This is what I use for level 4 missions...
Handles anything a level four mission can throw at you. No cap issues. Use the Mobile Depot to put in the Mirco Jump Drive if the NPC.s are too far away or to move fresh drones to your drone bay if they have had a battering. The Gecko kills everything from Frigates upwards with ease I only use sentry's for targets over 50 km away. Can salvage if the mood takes you although my Noctis does a much better job. Sure, but don't you find giving up more than half your DPS tends to drag the missions out a lot longer? Do you use the target painter in conjunction with the Gecko or is allocated strictly for your missiles? (because I find that even with V skills, the Gecko frequently misses frigates unless you have a tracking-scripted omni in the mids) I'm also wondering how you find getting around in-mission between objectives, gates, etc. without any kind of propulsion module (the Rattlesnake isn't exactly the swiftest). A single rigor with Faction ammunition is really all you need to apply 100% missile damage to battlecruisers and battleships, which frees up two rig slots for Hyperspacial rigs (combined with Ascendancy implants this gets the Rattlesnake up to 4.07 AU/s).
I don't know how fast other players take to complete their missions but I'm completing them quite quickly by my standards. I use the target painter and the Omi + tracking script as listed in my fitting for the Gecko and I have no problems killing Frigates. Battle ships I'll use the cruise missiles on as well and they are destroyed very quickly as well. If the NPC's have range on me I switch to sentry drones + cruise missiles and if these can't reach them I fit a Micro jump drive using the Mobile Depot.
I am thiking of increasing my DPS as the passive tank is not been tested on most missions. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1312
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Posted - 2015.08.16 17:29:50 -
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has this guy been ganked yet? |
Olo Amera
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.08.16 17:50:23 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:has this guy been ganked yet? I've downgraded to tech 2 normal stuff, sorry.
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4577
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Posted - 2015.08.16 18:10:29 -
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Kestrix wrote:I don't know how fast other players take to complete their missions but I'm completing them quite quickly by my standards. I use the target painter and the Omi + tracking script as listed in my fitting for the Gecko and I have no problems killing Frigates. Battle ships I'll use the cruise missiles on as well and they are destroyed very quickly as well. If the NPC's have range on me I switch to sentry drones + cruise missiles and if these can't reach them I fit a Micro jump drive using the Mobile Depot.
I am thiking of increasing my DPS as the passive tank is not been tested on most missions. Usually 10-15 minutes for your average 1-2 gate mission (this includes transit time), but it can vary a bit. Hyperspacial rigs and Ascendancy implants (1-5, mid-grade) go a long way to cutting down transit time between missions.
You'll probably find that a 500MN MWD resolves the vast majority of any in-mission maneuvering that's required (you still have the LMJD if needed). If you prefer a passive fit you may want to just look at a few Gistum C-Type passive amps (EM, thermal and kinetic) instead of the shield rechargers. These are reasonably cheap and will cost less than $26-million for the set (the increased resistances offset the slight drop in passive shield recharge).
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NovaCat13
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2015.08.16 18:37:30 -
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Olo Amera wrote: [...] losing out on DPS. Any suggestions?
[Rattlesnake] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Pith X-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Shield Boost Amplifier II Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hammerhead II x5 Gecko x1
Olo Amera wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:has this guy been ganked yet? I've downgraded to tech 2 normal stuff, sorry.
That explains your loss of dps, um what hours do you generally fly? Survey of pod pilots or some such... |
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4577
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Posted - 2015.08.16 18:57:31 -
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NovaCat13 wrote:That explains your loss of dps Stop trolling the poor guy. He was just looking for some fit advice...
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Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
594
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Posted - 2015.08.16 21:49:47 -
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Olo Amera wrote:Trying to find a better fit with less bling for level 4's. This is what I currently have fitted. I'm thinking I might be over-tanked and losing out on DPS. Any suggestions?
[Rattlesnake] Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Pith X-Type EM Ward Field Pith X-Type Thermic Dissipation Field Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Pith X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Shield Boost Amplifier II Pith X-Type EM Ward Field
Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Cruise Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Hammerhead II x5 Gecko x1
Shiny!
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Eat dessert first!
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2015.08.17 01:21:34 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:has this guy been ganked yet?
you'll be able to spot him by the swarm of Locator agents.....
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
735
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Posted - 2015.08.17 01:40:45 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:NovaCat13 wrote:That explains your loss of dps Stop trolling the poor guy. He was just looking for some fit advice...
always happens when fits posted like this....lol
OP. An active rattler can run off a 3-4 slot tank. Maybe the shield booster has to be SHiny tor extra comfort. YOu have too many mods. If wanting a nice comfort level run MJD. You hop out, rep up out of range of rats. kill the reps to start storing up cap sooner. This way you won't need cap as much.
For active with MJD to run a AB/MWD as well is a personal call imo. I have found its a nice to have sometimes. And sometimes...the long haul to a the gate to hit next room slow boating gives you a chance to turn off all active mods and get a full cap to go into the next room. Ideally you set yourself up for one final mjd hop that doesn't have this be forever to do though.
Passive fits posted also valid. Keep in mind passive can "rob" you of dps mods. One went purger rig heavy to keep the lows freed up. Interesting setup I will say, seems very legit. Me though....I like flare and rigor for applied damage on missiles. If only because I am both race's BS 5 for rattler and like to make back my time spent for the gallente BS 5 with better applied damage on the missiles.
And wrecks any chance you have of sig tanking. Not that BS's do this very well but at least with missile rats all that fat sig wise you get makes missile rats hurt more. Also with the level of shiny some have commented on....probers's the next system over are picking you up on probes damn near lol. |
Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4577
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Posted - 2015.08.17 02:28:10 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:always happens when fits posted like this....lol One always sees fits like this because there's a lot of misinformation on what a proper fit entails.
Quote:Maybe the shield booster has to be SHiny tor extra comfort. And if the shield has to be shiny, there are cheaper alternatives. Unless you're going to be running cap stable, the best option is a Deadspace Pith C-Type X-Large shield booster ($34m @Jita). Then you don't really need the shield boost amplifier, either. Deadspace MWDs are also a consideration as well, since they don't eliminate as much capacitor.
Quote:For active with MJD to run a AB/MWD as well is a personal call imo. I have found its a nice to have sometimes. And sometimes...the long haul to a the gate to hit next room slow boating gives you a chance to turn off all active mods and get a full cap to go into the next room. Ideally you set yourself up for one final mjd hop that doesn't have this be forever to do though. In my experience, the only time you need to run a MJD is to GTFO of dodge or extend range for sniping with sentries. If you're running Geckos or heavy drones you'll want to be within 35-50km of them.
Quote:Passive fits posted also valid. Keep in mind passive can "rob" you of dps mods. One went purger rig heavy to keep the lows freed up. Interesting setup I will say, seems very legit. Me though....I like flare and rigor for applied damage on missiles. If only because I am both race's BS 5 for rattler and like to make back my time spent for the gallente BS 5 with better applied damage on the missiles. Passive certainly robs you of DPS. Properly fit, with +3-5 missile implants the Rattlesnake is capable of easily delivering 1650+ DPS of applied damage (not paper, but actual). And you're definitely right about making you a larger target for NPC rats.
All-in-all, solid fitting advice though.
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MCCHAPSMASTER the3rd
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.08.17 07:34:50 -
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what would be a good way to set up an active tank c3/4 rattlesnake? |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
295
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Posted - 2015.08.17 12:14:34 -
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MCCHAPSMASTER the3rd wrote: what would be a good way to set up an active tank c3/4 rattlesnake? Omni tank, AB at least (C4 sites are HUGE) some way to deal with tough frigate sized targets (Rapid heavies maybe?) as there are quite a few of those use only faction scourge or thermal ammo. Either a Gecko or Gardes or perhaps ogres. I'd be weary of using 100mill geckos as getting it webbed/scrammed and blown up will cost you. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
966
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Posted - 2015.08.17 21:57:22 -
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Clearly you don't already have the fit you posted, else you'd know how stupid it was, OP.
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Pax Deltari
NPC Corp Worst Corp No Doubt
47
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Posted - 2015.08.17 22:54:32 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:MCCHAPSMASTER the3rd wrote: what would be a good way to set up an active tank c3/4 rattlesnake? Omni tank, AB at least (C4 sites are HUGE) some way to deal with tough frigate sized targets (Rapid heavies maybe?) as there are quite a few of those and only use only faction scourge or thermal ammo. Either a Gecko or Gardes or perhaps ogres (with tracking comp). I'd be weary of using 100mill geckos as getting it webbed/scrammed and blown up will cost you.
You're a bloody fool. Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Don't give advice if you don't know what you're talking about or have DONE the thing or have INNATE KNOWLEDGE of the thing the person is asking about. Also on that note. Anyone who fits an Afterburner to a Rattlesnake for the purpose of burning over to rats inside a wormhole sight is a bloody fool.
Rapid heavies to deal with Frigates? Are you high? We're all dumber for having read your advice.
Now that the public shaming is out of the way...
For starters you don't really want to run C4's in a rattlesnake unless you have a wormhole with a beneficial effect such as a Pulsar which magnifies your tank or a Magnetar which amplifies your damage allowing you to get the heavy hitters off the field. In general a Snake has trouble keeping up with the DPS most C4 sites dish out. As such you'll want to stick with C3 wormholes as the Snake can run virtually all of them solo. C2/C1's are of course easy but you'll have a much lower isk/hr since the sites don't give nearly as much isk + Snake warps very slowly.
Snakes are very easy to fit for Running wormhole sites.
Highs = Rapid Heavy's (You can fit cruises but I prefer RHM's in case surprise PVP comes up) You can fit them with Faction or Fury. C3 rats tend to have an orbit that allows you to use Fury on them and apply more DPS. In your utility High you will want to fit a Drone Link Augmenter so if you run into rats that have a bit of a larger orbit radius than your skills allow you to hit you can still sick your drones on them
Alternate Highs = (These are items you need to keep in your CARGO and items that you WILL VERY LIKELY have to refit to at some point or another) Rapid Light Missile Launchers, cloaking device. RLM are for when you get attacked by a frigate gang or if you lose your gecko and need to kill the frigates by which are scrammed by Frigates who RR each other. (Sometimes times your RHM will not have enough DPS to beat their RR tank) Also some sites you can run faster with RLML because you can take out the frigs while your gecko takes out the BS or bigger rats.
The cloak is what you fit to while you're hiding from hostiles in system and are getting probed out. -> warp to safe. Double click to align to something and just drift until you feel safe (er) again.
Mid Slots: Caldari Navy Large Shield Extenders, 1 EM ward (Pithum C-type or B-Types are fine) It is highly no recommended that you fit an EM ward that requires activation or "Cap" because many sites will neut the ever loving hell out of you and you don't want to be stuck with no EM resistances. 1 Adaptive Invuln field. While this may seem contrary to what I said read the Alternate Mids.
Alternate Mids = (These are items you need to keep in your CARGO and items that you WILL VERY LIKELY have to refit to at some point or another) Thermic WARD preferably a Pithum A-Type. You switch to this when you are out of cap and can't run your Adaptive Invuln anymore. Micro Jump Drive - When you need to get the **** out. Or if you're scrammed by sleeper rats and need you move NOW. It is also very nice when you get ganked and if you can take out the scrammer (or there isn't one # Disruptors r lame) Its also a ******* god send when you get tackled by a HIC and need to get out of the bubble (If you're scrammed by it well... Kill the **** out of it first)
Low Slots: There are only Alternate Low Slots
Alternate Lows = (These are items you need to keep in your CARGO and items that you WILL VERY LIKELY have to refit to at some point or another)
Shield Power Relay = You fit to 6 of them when you need MAX passive tank. Normally in the beginning of the hardest waves. or if you're in a puslar, getting ganked by only a few dudes and want to swing your **** around with your 1500 hp (not ehp) /second tank. Sometimes you can get away with only fitting a few of them while running sites so your passive tank just barely exceeds the sites incoming DPS.
3 BCU/ 3 DDA Max DPS fit is with 3 Ballistic Control units and 3 Drone Damage Amplifiers. Fit as needed during your run. Many waves barely do any DPS so you can just fit to max DPS while they whittle away at your Buffer tank. Also when you are dug in and fighting the 3-4 guys who gank you I recommend you fit to MAX DPS fit with max Buffer fit (With invuln field) initially so you can quickly burst down any BC's or Cruisers that they bring allowing for the rest of the fight (Or escape) to be hella EZ mode.
6 Warp cores Stabs. -- Listen you and I.. we're both l337 PvP gods. But even we can't take every engagement. And while I know you want to show every fool who ganks you the true wrath of the rattlesnake sometimes its not worth it. 4 Proteuses warp in with Guardian support. You're scrammed, and Disrupted, they think its the end for you. Luckily for you they're not so lucky. Just refit to 6 Warp Core Stabs and your cloak and warp to your safe spot. Call them Cunts in local and cloak up while you wait for them to peace out or your Combat time to wear off so you can do a safe logoff.
Rigs - T2 Purgers T1 if you're poor bro.
Drones: Ogres, x5 Warriors, x1 Gecko Ogres or Wasps (I prefer wasps) are what you use against this little bastard of a rat called the sleepless Upholder. This little **** will stasis webify your drone 2 or 3 times while the rest of the little bastards pound them into oblivion. You don't want to lose your Gecko. He's your friend. Y-- Continued. |
Pax Deltari
NPC Corp Worst Corp No Doubt
47
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Posted - 2015.08.17 22:57:53 -
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Your only companion in the cold dark reaches of wormhole space. You'll learn to love it, cherish it, you'll even name it. Don't send him to his death against a group of sleepless upholders. Use a combination of T2 Heavies and your missiles to send those devils back to hell (Kill one Recall drones, Kill one recall drones) Then bring out your Gecko again. You may notice that I am not warning you about the Frigates (Awakened Upholder is a cruiser) since you should be taking those out first since they orbit at close range and can warp scram you which is normally bad news bears.
Obviously normal wormhole don't die strategies should be heeded as well but this isn't the place for that. I could go on longer but that's a good place for you to start. (Honestly I'd recommend you start in a Gila running C2 sites but some people like to live dangerously and this is a rattlesnake thread.)
(You'll notice I ignored Sentry Drones That's because sentry drones are dumb, lame, and super dumb. Be a man and use Heavies properly. Also you should be using your gecko 90% of the time. Its better, and faster, and better. |
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
4586
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Posted - 2015.08.18 00:55:16 -
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No probe scanner or damage control?
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
302
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Posted - 2015.08.18 06:00:21 -
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Pax Deltari wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:MCCHAPSMASTER the3rd wrote: what would be a good way to set up an active tank c3/4 rattlesnake? Omni tank, AB at least (C4 sites are HUGE) some way to deal with tough frigate sized targets (Rapid heavies maybe?) as there are quite a few of those and only use only faction scourge or thermal ammo. Either a Gecko or Gardes or perhaps ogres (with tracking comp). I'd be weary of using 100mill geckos as getting it webbed/scrammed and blown up will cost you. You're a bloody fool. Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Don't give advice if you don't know what you're talking about or have DONE the thing or have INNATE KNOWLEDGE of the thing the person is asking about. Also on that note. Anyone who fits an Afterburner to a Rattlesnake for the purpose of burning over to rats inside a wormhole sight is a bloody fool. Rapid heavies to deal with Frigates? Are you high? We're all dumber for having read your advice. Lived many years in WH space, from C3 to C6, Done everything from Loki/Tengu/Domi RR gangs in C3s and C4s to solo C5s in marauders and cap escalations in C5 and C6. Day tripping C1s and C2s in T3s and even farming our statics with HACs (Vagas, Deimoses) in groups or solo. Near enough done it all in WH space. But lets not let facts get in the way of a good put down eh?
That said I'd go see a psychologist about that temper of yours, if you haven't yet I'd be worried about any family members/loved ones that might get caught when you go off like that in real life.
I also liked the part (Your whole post) where you pretty much suggest near enough the same things I did. Man, I don't even know what to make of that kind of mentality. |
Pax Deltari
NPC Corp Worst Corp No Doubt
48
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Posted - 2015.08.18 14:14:46 -
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Productive advice bro. As stated before.
Pax Deltari wrote: You're a bloody fool.
Arthur Aihaken wrote: No probe scanner or damage control?
No damage control for PvE Shield ship vs sleepers needed. Probe scanner can be kept in your rattlesnake but honestly you would be so much better off getting a scanning alt. The rattlesnakes lack of scanning bonuses makes scanning kind of painful sometimes. You can usually afford to PLEX one after a weekend of running wormhole sites.
Also didn't want to put it since its not actually part of the PvE fit. |
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