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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.08.10 21:51:02 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:How about some real " tryhard" shield boosting setup? Now we're getting somewhere. =ƒæì
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.10 22:45:32 -
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Tippia wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:How about some real " tryhard" shield boosting setup? Now we're getting somewhere. =ƒæì
As long as "somewhere" mean z killboard then yes. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16870
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Posted - 2015.08.12 21:24:31 -
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baltec1 wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Oh rubbish, a Cerberus fleet will trivially out-range and out-speed Tengus, especially if they have that "battleship tank".
Firstly shield tanks don't slow you down and secondly, locking range of both the tengu and the cerb have a 1km difference.
Shouldn't you know what you're talking about before putting this much energy into an argument?
I said the Cerb will outrange the Tengu. it does. That 50% flight time bonus is not available to the Tengu and gives the Cerb an unsassailable range advantage. A Cerb has 141Km range with T1 missiles out of the gate, and Info Warfare Links are neither unusual nor unreasonable to assume in this day and age of CN Mindlinks, so lock range at 177km isn't an issue either.
Our cerb fleet fit shoots to 160km and moves at a sustained 2.4k with no overheating. Post your "BS EHP" MWD Tengu equivalent or admit that the BS in "BS EHP" stands for "bullshit".
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
444
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Posted - 2015.08.12 21:39:26 -
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Malcanis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Oh rubbish, a Cerberus fleet will trivially out-range and out-speed Tengus, especially if they have that "battleship tank".
Firstly shield tanks don't slow you down and secondly, locking range of both the tengu and the cerb have a 1km difference. Shouldn't you know what you're talking about before putting this much energy into an argument? I said the Cerb will outrange the Tengu. it does. That 50% flight time bonus is not available to the Tengu and gives the Cerb an unsassailable range advantage. A Cerb has 141Km range with T1 missiles out of the gate, and Info Warfare Links are neither unusual nor unreasonable to assume in this day and age of CN Mindlinks, so lock range at 177km isn't an issue either. Our cerb fleet fit shoots to 160km and moves at a sustained 2.4k with no overheating. Post your "BS EHP" MWD Tengu equivalent or admit that the BS in "BS EHP" stands for "bullshit".
Baltec's problems is that he is confusing configurable with configured.
You see, in his "fit" he has a Covert Ops/Nullified/Neut fit that has lasers in the highs and Neuts and a Cloak, magically does MWD speeds with an AB and has the EHP of a BS.
Problem is, for every neut he fits he is losing DPS from the turret, to even be able to fit a buffer tank he would have to use a power subsection, thus losing another turret and high slot, or he forgoes the tank for the speed he claims he can get. All the while he says "Cap Stable" and "Cap Booster" in two different posts.
His fit doesn't work because at the end of the day you have a sub 500m/s Legion with 120dps at no range and the neuting power half that of a Pilgrim or Curse.
I suspect he is doing the same kind of fit manipulation on his Tengu EFT warrior Plus fit too.
See, the T3's CAN do all these things, but they CAN'T do ALL these things at once.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16871
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Posted - 2015.08.12 22:01:55 -
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I know, his talking points are obvious rubbish to anyone who actually uses T2 and t3 cruisers - I especially liked the bit where he outright stated that T3s are better reppers than Logis.
Because THEORETICAL EHP is ALL THAT COUNTS!!!!1111BBQeleven
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16871
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Posted - 2015.08.12 22:03:59 -
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Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaltec
Post your fits, Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaltec!
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
444
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Posted - 2015.08.12 22:30:24 -
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Malcanis wrote:Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaltec
Post your fits, Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaltec!
Baltec's Ego wrote:I am looking at a fit for a Legion right now that has a bazillion EHP and neuts better than a Baaaaaaahl but I can't show you or anyone else cuz, reasons
Or the best
Baltec's Ego wrote:T3 cruisers have destroyed this game because no one has ever undocked or used or died in any other cruiser, battlecruiser or battleship hull since 1997
POST YOUR FITS!
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.08.13 07:14:25 -
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CCP do seem to suffer from the tall poppy syndrome...
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon That Escalated Quickly.
1623
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Posted - 2015.08.13 09:22:46 -
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baltec1 wrote:Loneball wrote:Nerf all T3's Should only be 10% stronger than a T2, with T2 being only 15% stronger than a T1.
Exponential power increases surrounding similar sized hulls = LoL WTZ They need to be less powerful than t2 cruisers otherwise what's the point in t2 cruisers?
t3 are derived from superior alien tech and in a logical line t1-t2-t3...they might as well be more powerfull than t2.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon That Escalated Quickly.
1623
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Posted - 2015.08.13 09:24:26 -
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Tippia wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:How about some real " tryhard" shield boosting setup? Now we're getting somewhere. =ƒæì That fit must be worth a supercap...did not look it up though.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2015.08.13 11:26:32 -
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Yes
No need for t3's in-game, just need more t2's.
By just keep adding tiers it'll just make balancing harder. Unless you just balance the tiers rather than balance across the tiers, but that's not a good way to go. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1375
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Posted - 2015.08.13 12:22:04 -
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Avvy wrote:Yes
No need for t3's in-game, just need more t2's.
By just keep adding tiers it'll just make balancing harder. Unless you just balance the tiers rather than balance across the tiers, but that's not a good way to go.
why do we not need t3's? they serve a purpose of being flexible and can become pretty handy for doing stuff in nullsec and wormholes
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2015.08.13 12:23:28 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Avvy wrote:Yes
No need for t3's in-game, just need more t2's.
By just keep adding tiers it'll just make balancing harder. Unless you just balance the tiers rather than balance across the tiers, but that's not a good way to go. why do we not need t3's? they serve a purpose of being flexible and can become pretty handy for doing stuff in nullsec and wormholes
So they couldn't have made a t2 that had flexibility? |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32160
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Posted - 2015.08.13 12:28:08 -
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Tee three's
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1375
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Posted - 2015.08.13 12:28:22 -
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they already have t2 hacs, recons etc, the t3 does stuff that nothing else can do, the ability to change its role without having to dock up so it has many different roles, its really useful and doesnt matter adding any new ship makes balancing harder
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Seraph Essael
eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
1132
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Posted - 2015.08.13 12:31:31 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Did, did he just say a Pilgrim beats a Stratios, and try to say that a Legion doesn't? Did I seriously just read that? I will forgive you guys because you aren't wormholers... but you should see the videos us real pvpers post, the Strat vs Tengu, Strat vs Drake, Strat vs Brutix and vexor... Then you have the whole, Strat can run away any time it wants because you are slow boating in your Legion fit for Baltecs doom, while shooting at it's toughest resists on an already good buffer hull. Do me a favor, and tell me which C-level of which hole type you're fighting in, so I can do a fair comparison. I am sure we both remember that hilarious Legion setup that used Rapid Lights to play to every single strength of a Wolf-Rayet. Not gonna lie. When No-Ho took on the RLML Legions of the Goons in that hole...We got violated...Absolutely violated...
Avvy wrote:Yes
No need for t3's in-game, just need more t2's.
By just keep adding tiers it'll just make balancing harder. Unless you just balance the tiers rather than balance across the tiers, but that's not a good way to go. Wormholes. T3's are the norm in wormhole space. Fleets of HAM and Neut Legions, ECMgus, Protes for points and Bhaals. With Aug / Triage and Nestor refit / reps ...
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
598
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Posted - 2015.08.13 12:51:18 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:[Cerberus, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Power Relay II
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Hobgoblin II x3
There... cheaper, longer range, more dps and speed and cap stable and I don't waste 4.5days training back whatever Bob takes from me when I get whelped
What did you want to nerf again?
[Tengu, Tengu HML 6guns t2 fit]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Dread Guristas EM Ward Field 10MN Afterburner II Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script Republic Fleet Target Painter Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
506 dps with CN kinetic. 593dps with fury kinetic. Also shoot out to 81km with fury/108km with navy ammo when loading the MGC with range, allowing you to outrange most targets. This is without implants btw, add another 50/75 dps for two relevant 5% missile implants. The whole fit costs 490mil.
It's true that a cerb is more cost effective (up to the reasonable limitation of death) at which point the tengu can't be surpassed for medium classed missile ships.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
459
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Posted - 2015.08.13 13:08:43 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:[Cerberus, New Setup 1] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II Capacitor Power Relay II
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Hobgoblin II x3
There... cheaper, longer range, more dps and speed and cap stable and I don't waste 4.5days training back whatever Bob takes from me when I get whelped
What did you want to nerf again? [Tengu, Tengu HML 6guns t2 fit] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Dread Guristas EM Ward Field 10MN Afterburner II Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script Republic Fleet Target Painter Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer II Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer 506 dps with CN kinetic. 593dps with fury kinetic. Also shoot out to 81km with fury/108km with navy ammo when loading the MGC with range, allowing you to outrange most targets. This is without implants btw, add another 50/75 dps for two relevant 5% missile implants. The whole fit costs 490mil. It's true that a cerb is more cost effective (up to the reasonable limitation of death) at which point the tengu can't be surpassed for medium classed missile ships.
Your fit isnt even close to cap stable and has a fraction of the tank the Cerb does.
[Cerberus, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Pith X-Type Kinetic Deflection Field Shield Boost Amplifier II Shield Boost Amplifier II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Hobgoblin II x3
There is a better tank, cap stable, better range and better damage. Also if you implant yourself it helps the cerb too. Implants don't just help the Tengu.
So no, Cerb is still better than your fit. Worried about cost, drop the CN BCS and the cost drops to below 450mil and the DPS is now the same as the Tengu, but with better range and speed.
Oh and no skill loss upon death.
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Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1375
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Posted - 2015.08.13 13:17:49 -
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but can a cerberus be as slippery as pete?
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
598
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Posted - 2015.08.13 13:24:15 -
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So I shoot your EM hole and you die. You have 7.9k ehp against EM and rep 234hp/s. It would take about 45seconds for my tengu to kill your ship.
Tengu has 31k ehp, reps 590something throughout its cap life and does the same dps with only navy mjolnir.
Now you could argue that I'd have to guess you have an EM hole but here's the trick sensei - I know cerbs very well. Flown them for a long time. They don't have potentially 7 mids like some tengu fits. Tanks on a cerb tend to come in only 3 flavours.
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Tykonderoga
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
58
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Posted - 2015.08.13 13:32:54 -
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Nerf it all. Who cares anymore. Game sucks. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
599
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Posted - 2015.08.13 13:36:24 -
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Tykonderoga wrote:Nerf it all. Who cares anymore. Game sucks.
I'm not sure whether to be sad or just laugh. Aren't you one of those guys who flipped out over jump fatigue?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16886
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Posted - 2015.08.13 19:26:56 -
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Malcanis wrote:Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaltec
Post your fits, Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaltec!
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:10:48 -
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Orderlies? One of our geriatric patients is having an episode.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
463
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:23:27 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:So I shoot your EM hole and you die. You have 7.9k ehp against EM and rep 234hp/s. It would take about 45seconds for my tengu to kill your ship.
Tengu has 31k ehp, reps 590something throughout its cap life and does the same dps with only navy mjolnir.
Now you could argue that I'd have to guess you have an EM hole but here's the trick sensei - I know cerbs very well. Flown them for a long time. They don't have potentially 7 mids like some tengu fits. Tanks on a cerb tend to come in only 3 flavours.
You're an idiot. Your Tengu couldn't kill crap because it has no point...
Did you forget the purpose of the build?
Remember, A T3 is the only ship type in Eve that can be configured to do many different kinds of things, but it doesn't mean it does any one of them better than a specialized hull.
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Murkar Omaristos
The Alabaster Albatross Eternal Pretorian Alliance
145
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:25:44 -
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Naraish Adarn wrote:i dont think needs to be nerfed or buffed since it still dies painfully in a fire with neuts applied to it
^^ this. Everything has a counter. Also, the OP's post linked a ratting fit. I heard that shiny tengus don't tank black ops as well as they tank DED rats. |
Specia1 K
State War Academy Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2015.08.13 22:40:29 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:
You're an idiot.
Shut up. Attack the argument, or gtfo. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
465
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Posted - 2015.08.14 00:27:47 -
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Specia1 K wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:
You're an idiot.
Shut up. Attack the argument, or gtfo.
"Your Tengu couldn't kill crap because it has no point...
Did you forget the purpose of the build?
Remember, A T3 is the only ship type in Eve that can be configured to do many different kinds of things, but it doesn't mean it does any one of them better than a specialized hull."
Cuz you know, reading is hard
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
976
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Posted - 2015.08.14 00:38:15 -
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Quote:2. Be respectful toward others at all times.
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to be courteous when disagreeing with others.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. I've removed a couple off-topic and disrespectful posts and those quoting them. Please keep it civil.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
465
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Posted - 2015.08.14 01:23:25 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:So I shoot your EM hole and you die. You have 7.9k ehp against EM and rep 234hp/s. It would take about 45seconds for my tengu to kill your ship.
Tengu has 31k ehp, reps 590something throughout its cap life and does the same dps with only navy mjolnir.
Now you could argue that I'd have to guess you have an EM hole but here's the trick sensei - I know cerbs very well. Flown them for a long time. They don't have potentially 7 mids like some tengu fits. Tanks on a cerb tend to come in only 3 flavours.
Ok, I will be nice this time.
You can't kill anything in any resist hole if the guy you are attacking can just warp away.
You lack a point on your PVE fit. Or did you forget that is what we were discussing?
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