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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
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Posted - 2015.08.08 22:49:42 -
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calaretu wrote: Tbh I'm just tired of people not bothering to read what ccp has already stated. Thats apparently including this csm member quoted. Citadels will have a automated defense system that will counter trollceptors. If you want to entosis an afk citadel you actually have to commit something that can handle the basic defense. Like with POS (yes solo dread or marauder can RF most POS' in wspace). Unlike POS however a manned citadel is a lot more dangerous. A manned POS is at best a tiny bit of extra grind to incap stuff. Seriously, why dont people do basic research before whining? No you cant kill citadels in noobship.
CCP Ytterbium wrote: [*] Structures won't be able to shoot without someone manning the guns. As CCP Nullarbor mentioned, we have options under our sleeves to mitigate the risk from this change. Like having a reduced vulnerability window in specific areas, and / or be able to have NPCs spawn.
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
2654
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Posted - 2015.08.09 00:01:16 -
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calaretu wrote: I too use to go afk from game for 48 hours and are furious that someone may be able to take down my citadel. Unlike now. Yes Pos such safe and new is just horrible. /sarcasm
Fixed. Stop being idiotic.
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
430
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Posted - 2015.08.09 00:28:38 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:calaretu wrote: I too use to go afk from game for 48 hours and are furious that someone may be able to take down my citadel. Unlike now. Yes Pos such safe and new is just horrible. /sarcasm
Fixed. Stop being idiotic.
Your citadel will not go down in 48 hours. If there is something about what has been shown that makes you believe that, then you may be interpreting it incorrectly. Having seen the plans for structure vulnerability, I can assure you that this won't be possible. The exact details will be out soon but the system has (beyond my expectations) made it possible to be pretty damn afk and still have your structure be relatively secure. On top of that, if even a handful of people in your group or their alts can jump into a gunner seat once a week I don't think you'll have terrible issues.
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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
88
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Posted - 2015.08.09 02:05:27 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:
Your citadel will not go down in 48 hours. If there is something about what has been shown that makes you believe that, then you may be interpreting it incorrectly. Having seen the plans for structure vulnerability, I can assure you that this won't be possible. The exact details will be out soon but the system has (beyond my expectations) made it possible to be pretty damn afk and still have your structure be relatively secure. On top of that, if even a handful of people in your group or their alts can jump into a gunner seat once a week I don't think you'll have terrible issues.
So evictions will be impossible to complete during weekend's when everyone's numbers are higher?
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
201
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Posted - 2015.08.09 14:37:55 -
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This to worry about : Cost of the new structures. Capture/loot/asset safety mechanisms of the new structures(what with ships/personal hanger after destruction). Capture instead of destroying possible? What will the services be of just a storage structure? What will the defenses be? Location restrictions and how to find the structures without probes. Finding active people in wh's, it used to be ships on d-scan was probablility of people(or decoy). I can only imagine scanner fatigue of searching 200 of these structures in a single system to find someone active.
No local in null sec would fix everything!
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corbexx
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1386
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Posted - 2015.08.09 15:00:30 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:The entosis system certainly draws a line in the sand. If a structure is going to sit abandoned 99% of the time, it is going to be a sitting duck. Luckily basic trolling attempts will be shrugged off since the attackers are unlikely to come back for later rounds of reinforcement. But if you can't be added to repair the building or man the guns for the final timer, GG.
Not really. One of the big issues is if your citadel does get reinforced, It effectively shuts down the system. This applies much more to tiny small groups in w space. But once reinforced your not likely to go run sites do your general day to day stuff if you have very few characters in the system, the risk of being podded could well leave your citadel undefended.
We also know people are prepared to have alts (or mains in your case) sit in systems for months to spy, trigger anoms wait for ganks etc. meaning people will happily dump alts to grief people if they arent around.
Repeated harrasement has also been used multiple times to get people to leave there wormhole (3 aharm guys repeated rf'd rnks pos in there off time zone till they got sick of it and left) The fact this can be done with a trollceptor is a issue.
also regarding pos defences they won't work unless manned.
ooh and,
Pook600 wrote:Quote:kennethfeld 5:04 PM I imagine corbexx has been in overdrive... CCP Nullarbor 5:04 PM yes we chat a lot Mostly about Nullsec where Goonbexx lives and maybe how a Dev can throw him a bone once in awhile during a chat to make it seem like he isn't a total Judas dbag....
feel free to take any w space issues you have to chance.
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
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Posted - 2015.08.09 15:09:29 -
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corbexx wrote:Chance Ravinne wrote:The entosis system certainly draws a line in the sand. If a structure is going to sit abandoned 99% of the time, it is going to be a sitting duck. Luckily basic trolling attempts will be shrugged off since the attackers are unlikely to come back for later rounds of reinforcement. But if you can't be added to repair the building or man the guns for the final timer, GG. Not really. One of the big issues is if your citadel does get reinforced, It effectively shuts down the system. This applies much more to tiny small groups in w space. But once reinforced your not likely to go run sites do your general day to day stuff if you have very few characters in the system, the risk of being podded could well leave your citadel undefended. We also know people are prepared to have alts (or mains in your case) sit in systems for months to spy, trigger anoms wait for ganks etc. meaning people will happily dump alts to grief people if they arent around. Repeated harrasement has also been used multiple times to get people to leave there wormhole (3 aharm guys repeated rf'd rnks pos in there off time zone till they got sick of it and left) The fact this can be done with a trollceptor is a issue.
Corbexx unless I've misunderstood the reinforcement cycling, and I am fairly certain I haven't, initial reinforcement does not disable any structure functionality. Without getting into stuff we can't talk about, the preliminary vulnerability does not have this effect.
This is outdated, but for reference: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67200/1/Structurestates-02.png
It should also be stated that without a supply line of entosis fuel, a trollceptor camping a system will not be able to singlehandedly pull this off. He will need to scan out exits and bring in fuel.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
374
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Posted - 2015.08.09 15:14:49 -
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Wait, can one of the CSM guys or fake WH CSM guys tell us how they plan on letting us "put up any size Citadel you can get in" but prevent us from making supers/titans in our holes? Are the modules themselves for building XL Capitals going to be tied to Sov at least?
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Urziel99
Unified Research Zone
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Posted - 2015.08.09 15:26:14 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Wait, can one of the CSM guys or fake WH CSM guys tell us how they plan on letting us "put up any size Citadel you can get in" but prevent us from making supers/titans in our holes? Are the modules themselves for building XL Capitals going to be tied to Sov at least?
The ability to build supercaps still requires an IHub upgrade. even if the assembly lines can support it, the capability is lacking without the upgrade. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
374
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Posted - 2015.08.09 15:27:08 -
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Urziel99 wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Wait, can one of the CSM guys or fake WH CSM guys tell us how they plan on letting us "put up any size Citadel you can get in" but prevent us from making supers/titans in our holes? Are the modules themselves for building XL Capitals going to be tied to Sov at least? The ability to build supercaps still requires an IHub upgrade. even if the assembly lines can support it, the capability is lacking without the upgrade.
Just making sure, thanks
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corbexx
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1386
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Posted - 2015.08.09 15:31:36 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Wait, can one of the CSM guys or fake WH CSM guys tell us how they plan on letting us "put up any size Citadel you can get in" but prevent us from making supers/titans in our holes? Are the modules themselves for building XL Capitals going to be tied to Sov at least?
???
you need a sov upgrade to build titans and supers.
edit damn people are fast.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.08.09 15:34:55 -
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corbexx wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Wait, can one of the CSM guys or fake WH CSM guys tell us how they plan on letting us "put up any size Citadel you can get in" but prevent us from making supers/titans in our holes? Are the modules themselves for building XL Capitals going to be tied to Sov at least? ??? you need a sov upgrade to build titans and supers. edit damn people are fast.
I was asking because no you don't need Sov specifically to build the ship... you need Sov to anchor the structure to build the ship. But now the modules are doing the building. Just wanted to make sure that wasn't overlooked.
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corbexx
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1386
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Posted - 2015.08.09 15:36:34 -
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I'm really not sure what this has to do with anything I just said. unless you miss understand what i mean by shutting down a system.
Chance Ravinne wrote: It should also be stated that without a supply line of entosis fuel, a trollceptor camping a system will not be able to singlehandedly pull this off. He will need to scan out exits and bring in fuel.
This is a super minor issue and incredby easy to get around either with a second cloaky hauler alt or just a can anchored in a safe spot (ok you might have to be careful getting stuff out).
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:00:12 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Wait, can one of the CSM guys or fake WH CSM guys tell us how they plan on letting us "put up any size Citadel you can get in" but prevent us from making supers/titans in our holes? Are the modules themselves for building XL Capitals going to be tied to Sov at least?
Details about construction are not worked out yet -- and keep in mind citadels are only one type of structure, so it's possible other types might have limitations.
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Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
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Posted - 2015.08.09 16:17:26 -
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Thanks for the clarifying that corbexx. Could the 2014-eve-player-bornagain-csm please not state incorrect facts in the future? tia
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O'nira
Litla Sundlaugin
70
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Posted - 2015.08.10 04:44:46 -
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Since you guys seem to be sharing a bit how are assets handled once the citadel/new pos goes down?
can i loot them or not? |
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
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Posted - 2015.08.10 04:54:16 -
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O'nira wrote:Since you guys seem to be sharing a bit how are assets handled once the citadel/new pos goes down?
can i loot them or not?
It'll be revealed soon, unfortunately we can't say how it works ahead of time. In the interim though I'd be glad to hear how you'd prefer it works...
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O'nira
Litla Sundlaugin
70
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Posted - 2015.08.10 05:25:21 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:O'nira wrote:Since you guys seem to be sharing a bit how are assets handled once the citadel/new pos goes down?
can i loot them or not? It'll be revealed soon, unfortunately we can't say how it works ahead of time. In the interim though I'd be glad to hear how you'd prefer it works...
i would prefer to be able to loot other peoples structures since i like evictions but if its the other way around i'll be happy because my structures would be safer but unhappy about losing evictions as content. |
Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
1010
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Posted - 2015.08.10 07:06:17 -
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One of the first things about EVE I've noticed back then in comparison with similar games is that despite all the issues making it nigh-impossible in many cases, piracy is actually viable. Clear ways to raid and pillage space villages is content generator that I'd rather see in this game.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1774
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Posted - 2015.08.10 09:31:43 -
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Neckbeard Nolyfe wrote:calaretu wrote: Tbh I'm just tired of people not bothering to read what ccp has already stated. Thats apparently including this csm member quoted. Citadels will have a automated defense system that will counter trollceptors. If you want to entosis an afk citadel you actually have to commit something that can handle the basic defense. Like with POS (yes solo dread or marauder can RF most POS' in wspace). Unlike POS however a manned citadel is a lot more dangerous. A manned POS is at best a tiny bit of extra grind to incap stuff. Seriously, why dont people do basic research before whining? No you cant kill citadels in noobship.
CCP Ytterbium wrote: Structures won't be able to shoot without someone manning the guns. As CCP Nullarbor mentioned, we have options under our sleeves to mitigate the risk from this change. Like having a reduced vulnerability window in specific areas, and / or be able to have NPCs spawn.
CCP Ytterbium wrote: Structures won't be able to shoot without someone manning the guns.
Needed more bold and underscore.
And empahsis.
Apparently people are missing this...
Also the irony in the quote is hilarious. |
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Jezza McWaffle
ShipRekt
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Posted - 2015.08.10 10:45:46 -
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If you at all read anything you would also know that the Citadels will have enough defences to stop a trolceptor as calaretu said.
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Winthorp
3612
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Posted - 2015.08.10 10:53:40 -
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Jezza McWaffle wrote:If you at all read anything you would also know that the Citadels will have enough defences to stop a trolceptor as calaretu said.
If you have at all read any of these threads, devblogs or spoken with devs in the slack channel for structures you would know how very wrong you are.
[*] Structures won't be able to shoot without someone manning the guns. As CCP Nullarbor mentioned, we have options under our sleeves to mitigate the risk from this change. Like having a reduced vulnerability window in specific areas, and / or be able to have NPCs spawn.
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
432
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Posted - 2015.08.10 12:30:55 -
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Winthorp wrote:Jezza McWaffle wrote:If you at all read anything you would also know that the Citadels will have enough defences to stop a trolceptor as calaretu said.
If you have at all read any of these threads, devblogs or spoken with devs in the slack channel for structures or even reddit you would know how very wrong you are. Structures won't be able to shoot without someone manning the guns. As CCP Nullarbor mentioned, we have options under our sleeves to mitigate the risk from this change. Like having a reduced vulnerability window in specific areas, and / or be able to have NPCs spawn. Now add to this undock games and camp ins. And from what i remember they still have not as yet decided if we will have a single undock/dock point or the multiple and random as requested by many. My kingdom for an updated devblog though...
As far as undock games go, this is something nobody wants and CCP is trying to address this to prevent BS especially in w-space. I can't say if it'll work out exactly but based on what I've seen I'm optimistic the solution is there. Keep in mind citadel docking gives you an outside view, that is just one component of preventing docking games. Manning guns from within the structure is another part. The invulnerability link is a third part. And there are additional ideas being thrown around beyond that.
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1316
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Posted - 2015.08.10 13:06:22 -
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WTB> Aussies/Russians for a WH corp to set a top tier invuln window~
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
2655
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Posted - 2015.08.10 14:47:13 -
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Pffft jester, you now this is bullshcnitzel.
if some rednecks siege some turnip herding yak fondlers and don't complete the timer, it stay viable until povert TZ (AU TZ). Then some idiotic yokel bloketards decide to troll it. They complete the timer in the AU TZ and it resets to 48 hours from the US/EU/RUS timezone setting. This then cuts the bloketards out of the loop, because why dafuqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq do you waste any amount of time trollceptoring rusbear POS only to have rusbear POS come back out of RF in rusbear hours?
We invaded our crappy C4 BH 2 weeks ago, and we still haven'trolled all the farking POCOs because rsbear TZ is like 3 a.m.. I mean, great, TZ warfare is the best, I know this for one times fact (redeemable anywhere in world, fo sho) but after a while you are sitting there thinking "what the actual, I can't even, 3 a.m. will this never end, goddamn this stupid game and stupider mechanics".
So yeah, maybe Au TZ defence timers best timers. But only if the vulnerability is 4 hours.
Glad to see a CSM fite going down. It's like a one armed mutant versus goonbexx with eight arms full of fact swords +5 versus useless vanity CSM potang grab patheticman. Come on carbexx, finshing moe! U-U-D-D-L-L-R-R-L-R-U-D!!!!!!
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.08.10 14:54:51 -
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if it's ~8h? vuln, then you can set for RUS and maybe it'll bleed into AUS? or just set it so that the back half is AUS prime so that you can ride part of it out during DT
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calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
367
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Posted - 2015.08.10 19:04:15 -
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For the record automated defence does not equal automated guns. As the quote I cant be arsed to requote say they are looking at ways for the citadel to counter trollceptors without manned guns.
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Justin Cody
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
305
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Posted - 2015.08.10 23:14:32 -
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Chance Ravinne wrote:Winthorp wrote:Jezza McWaffle wrote:If you at all read anything you would also know that the Citadels will have enough defences to stop a trolceptor as calaretu said.
If you have at all read any of these threads, devblogs or spoken with devs in the slack channel for structures or even reddit you would know how very wrong you are. Structures won't be able to shoot without someone manning the guns. As CCP Nullarbor mentioned, we have options under our sleeves to mitigate the risk from this change. Like having a reduced vulnerability window in specific areas, and / or be able to have NPCs spawn. Now add to this undock games and camp ins. And from what i remember they still have not as yet decided if we will have a single undock/dock point or the multiple and random as requested by many. My kingdom for an updated devblog though... As far as undock games go, this is something nobody wants and CCP is trying to address this to prevent BS especially in w-space. I can't say if it'll work out exactly but based on what I've seen I'm optimistic the solution is there. Keep in mind citadel docking gives you an outside view, that is just one component of preventing docking games. Manning guns from within the structure is another part. The invulnerability link is a third part. And there are additional ideas being thrown around beyond that.
This all seems good assuming you can fix the Null WH nerf. Thanks and don't be a traitor! |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1316
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Posted - 2015.08.11 00:23:05 -
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lol expecting chance ravinne to advocate for ANYTHING
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
432
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Posted - 2015.08.11 04:26:52 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:lol expecting chance ravinne to advocate for ANYTHING
Yes yes, I come here for my health... and of course the scores of fawning fans (so many of them here in the wormhole subforum).
My primary concerns for citadels in wormhole space have been advocating for looting and plunder since beautiful drops are a great incentive for structure destruction (for anyone who isn't amply rewarded by the loss of others). With the discussions of various asset safety systems I want to see an end system that rewards successful evictions either directly through loot or indirectly via the thorough toppling of the losing organization.
Ultimately the new structures are going to be a very big compromise, both for w-space and for other regions of space, being significantly less safe in some ways and significantly more safe in other ways. It is worth re-mentioning that citadels are not the be-all, end-all structures so some of their shortcomings may have to be covered by other new structures.
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