Originally by: nice boy

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ccp at least say somthing about the whole dam thing......we are paying good money to play this dam game!! show a bit of respect FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: 6ene6ene

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OK SERIOUSLY! WTF CCP??? I MEAN, COME ON! "The Sansha Minefield" is rediculously, I mean REDICULOUSLY hard! I lasted all of 15-20 seconds in my rigged out Dominix.

Thirty battlehships, ARE YOU SERIOUS? Truly, I am a bit ****ed that I went down as quick as I did and had no hopes of escape, and I truly believe that to complete the first stage of that complex would take a fleet of ships all with heavy tanks, gang mods, and transfer mods. How exactly are we expected to complete such a complex without capitals? I'm truly frustrated about my recent meltdown. (I had a great love for that Domi!)

For those who have not had the opportunity to peek inside here's some screenies:

Come on!!! 1
Come on!!! 2
Come on!!! 3

Anything fleet with less than capital ships would take heavy losses and the size of the NPC fleet with their bounties just doesn't look like it's worth it at all. I realize I have not had the opportunity to run the plex OBVIOUSLY due to me being ill prepared and ignorant to what lied on the other side. I do however believe that the opposition on that plex was a bit overkill...

That's my feedback. Anyone else have any thoughts on this particular plex?

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Originally by: 6ene6ene

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OK SERIOUSLY! WTF CCP??? I MEAN, COME ON! "The Sansha Minefield" is rediculously, I mean REDICULOUSLY hard! I lasted all of 15-20 seconds in my rigged out Dominix.

(blah blah)

Come on!!! 1
Come on!!! 2
Come on!!! 3

(blah blah)

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Originally by: Vahur Kahur

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Edited by: Vahur Kahur on 16/04/2007 13:26:31
It's clear that you were able to look around peacefully and take 3 screenshots and THEN you decided to take on 30 battleships alone. Very brave. Or maybe stupid.

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Originally by: ShinChan

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Edited by: ShinChan on 16/04/2007 10:15:37
We completed another npc version of this plex once. I think it's the harder one out there.
We used 3 BS and a HAC, and it was piece of cake (remote repair, repair drones and 2-3 hours to spare). We also got an escalation from it. Which lead to a bugged escalation, figures(at that moment we had 6 BS and few cruisers to deal with second step).

About your loss, remember 0.0 plexes should not be easy (even If you ran through some). So it's recommened to check it first with a cov op or a shuttle. If you find this plex again, bring some friends.

Edit: The second escalation does not have a jumpgate to enter, so you can bring carriers there.

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Originally by: Xelios

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Exploration complexes are a joke atm. 0.0 is littered with Unknowns because nobody bothers to do them. You spend hours and very likely lose ships for what? A slim chance of getting an expedition to do it all over again? Just for another slim chance at doing it yet again? All for the even slimmer chance that you make it to the end and find some kind of reward for your troubles?

A far better system, IMO, would guarantee an expedition with a guaranteed reward equal to the difficulty of the complex. The random component in this is the expedition room. Each complex could have a half dozen different expeditions with its own rewards and npc's. You don't know which one you'll get, but you'll know by the end you'll certainly get something worth your trouble. Be it an extra rich hacking site, several faction spawns, an officer or two, an npc mineral base with lots of haulers or whatever.

Some of these complexes are hard, harder than the static 10/10 plexes, and they take much more time to complete. That there's a big chance you'll get absolutely nothing but bounties from them is a slap in the face.

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Originally by: ShinChan

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Edited by: ShinChan on 16/04/2007 10:15:37

Originally by: 6ene6ene

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OK SERIOUSLY! WTF CCP??? I MEAN, COME ON! "The Sansha Minefield" is rediculously, I mean REDICULOUSLY hard! I lasted all of 15-20 seconds in my rigged out Dominix.

Thirty battlehships, ARE YOU SERIOUS? Truly, I am a bit ****ed that I went down as quick as I did and had no hopes of escape, and I truly believe that to complete the first stage of that complex would take a fleet of ships all with heavy tanks, gang mods, and transfer mods. How exactly are we expected to complete such a complex without capitals? I'm truly frustrated about my recent meltdown. (I had a great love for that Domi!)

For those who have not had the opportunity to peek inside here's some screenies:

Come on!!! 1
Come on!!! 2
Come on!!! 3

Anything fleet with less than capital ships would take heavy losses and the size of the NPC fleet with their bounties just doesn't look like it's worth it at all. I realize I have not had the opportunity to run the plex OBVIOUSLY due to me being ill prepared and ignorant to what lied on the other side. I do however believe that the opposition on that plex was a bit overkill...

That's my feedback. Anyone else have any thoughts on this particular plex?

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We completed another npc version of this plex once. I think it's the harder one out there.
We used 3 BS and a HAC, and it was piece of cake (remote repair, repair drones and 2-3 hours to spare). We also got an escalation from it. Which lead to a bugged escalation, figures(at that moment we had 6 BS and few cruisers to deal with second step).

About your loss, remember 0.0 plexes should not be easy (even If you ran through some). So it's recommened to check it first with a cov op or a shuttle. If you find this plex again, bring some friends.

Edit: The second escalation does not have a jumpgate to enter, so you can bring carriers there.

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DOWN WITH THE TECH2 LOTTERY!!!

Originally by: Leonora Trace

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Hi can somebody tell me: are there any missions from npc agents I can use my codebreaker module?

AND

Where can I have a testing for my codebreaker module? How can I know where I can use the codebreaker on?

Thanks
Leonora

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Originally by: Iris Lyania

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Hi folks,

first of all sry for my bad english. I can't understand the problems of you guys. I scanned alot in empire and in low sec and i found alot. Even in Empire i found alot of sites, mostly unknowns because noone wants to run the plexes. And these plexes give me an escalation very often, sometimes it's a dead end but most often i reach the end and obtain faction loot. Absolutely ok for me. Most of the empire plexes take 10-15 minutes, can be done in a frig and at the end, if they give an escalation i get loot worth 10-100 mills out of the officer. Really i love the unknowns and can't understand why nobody wants to make them.

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Originally by: Jezala

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Edited by: Jezala on 15/01/2007 22:46:40



4. 850 mil in ships and mods have been lost to this stupid hidden complex. The provisional HQ has been destroyed and there's no can.

[PROBLEM] There's no can.

[PROBLEM-2] Two logistic cruisers, 6 battleships, 1 command ship, 1 cruiser, 1 assault frig, 1 destroyer, 1 interceptor, ~25 armor maint bots were destroyed or lost...850 mil gone and there's no can.



5. Upon destroying the Provisional HQ a random person in our gang recieves a NPC message asking him to go visit the NPC in person. Time limit 60 mins.

[PROBLEM] The destination to meet the NPC is 24 jumps away through hostile 0.0 territory.

[PROBLEM-2] The multiple 10,000 dmg smartbomb destroyed our assault frig and interceptor who were 80-90 km away from the Provisional HQ.

[PROBLEM-3] The nearest station with a shuttle is 9 jumps in the opposite direction of where we're suppose to meet the NPC agent.

[PROBLEM-4] With 50 mins left, we realized that we need to return to the station and grab a shuttle and travel a total of 42 jumps (9+9+24).

[PROBLEM-5] Out of the 10+ people involved in finishing the complex, why is it only 1 person that is randomly selected allow to meet with the NPC agent.



6. We sent our gang member that recieved the NPC message and he arrived at the location with 4 mins to spare. Current time is roughly 35 mins till downtime. Our gang member recieves the mission from the agent. We're to go kill more sansha that's about 12 jumps (? need to check this?) away from the NPC agent. Expiration of the mission is 60 mins.

[PROBLEM] - The fleet is back at the station, 33 jumps away from the NPC agent.

[PROBLEM-2] Two logistic cruisers, 6 battleships, 1 command ship, 1 cruiser, 1 assault frig, 1 destroyer, 1 interceptor, ~25 armor maint bots were destroyed or lost...850 mil gone and there's no can.

[PROBLEM-3] We've already spent 4 hours and 3 attempts on the hidden complex and now we're suppose to travel 33 jumps + 12 more to the mission location through hostile 0.0 territory, complete the mission, and return to the agent within an hour?

[PROBLEM-4] Downtime is in 35 mins + 60 min mission expiration....yeah, we'll pass on this mission.

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Originally by: ShinChan

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Edited by: ShinChan on 04/04/2007 14:08:14
So I found that 3 unkown signals, scanned all and found 3 drone plexes, INDEPENDENCE, HIERARCHY and RADIANCE. I call a friend and we start with first one. No escalation. So we make 1 jump and start with second one. No escalation. So we make 2 more jumps and start with RADIANCE.

Finally! After 1 hour we get an escalation from the third and last plex.
Radiance send us 4 jumps away. We enter the 2on escalation and kill them all. Good! We get another escalation. 40 minutes to complete that one. And now he send us 12 jumps away.

We enter the third escalation and complete it. That one was a bit tougher, but we were rolling eyes because we got a 4th escalation out of it. 50 minutes to complete the 3rd step. But we move on. 13 more jumps to do.

The 4th escalation was pretty huge. Lots of drones at warp in point. Not to mention this time my friend was the one allowed to warp in. So he tanked himself a bit more and I use remote shield repairers just to be safe. While we were killing the waves of drones we received the 5th and final escalation! So we warped out before killing the rest of drones and proceed to do 7 more jumps. time to complete 4th step: 60 minutes.

This time I was the one who received the escalation. I tanked my apoc to his max and my friend's raven equipped armor drones and remote reps. Yes! We were ready to collect the big treasure reward, nothing will go wrong, noone will die. After 4 hours of dedicated effort, ending up ~40 jumps away from starting point, here we are. 2 against 100. Our plan was to kill the scrambling frigs and the proceed with the Supreme Alvus Commander and then the rest of the Supreme Alvus something. I warp in first, and to begin with, a pop-up appears in my screen with big letters saying: DEAD END and strange text detailing how the queen was out for business. But as soon as my screen finally loads, it certainly didn't look like a dead end. 100 drones were awaiting me at their main hive. So I proceed to aggro them all at the same time my dual faction repper with faction stuff starts to lose against their damage. It's time to call for my repairer Raven since all drones have been aggroed. He will able to to safely repair me. Wrong! At the same time he warp in, new waves of supreme drones appear on scene. Bit overcrowded to be a dead end I was asking myself. He requires to warp out since he started to take damage. I allowed him since I'm a good boy and don't want my friends to die, so he warped out and I warped out after him to warp back asap. Wrong again! The expedition has dissapeared from my journal. We sit in TS, grumbling but mainly not saying a word and spitting on whoever designed this pos.

After 5 hours, 40 jumps crossing 3 different regions, intense tanking and highly risking our ships traveling in 0.0 contested regions, we get a slap in the face by CCP. It was not because we got not an escalation, or because we lost our ships in some random alliance blockade, neither we lost a ship against the drones. Poor coded plexes, escalations or whatever these are called now. POS for me. So I hope this is the kind of feedback you need to avoid something like to happen again. These are my thoughts.

P.S. Almost forgot. Since they are drones, we got not a single isk the entire time, no bountys. And there was no way we can bring an indy to collect all the alloys. Who's collecting alloys through 40 jumps in 0.0 anyway?

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