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Silvia Heart
Black Aces I N F A M O U S
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Posted - 2015.08.03 11:16:23 -
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Nituspar wrote:Tappits wrote:So yesterday someone tried to entosis a PL TCU in a 1x system. I was able to burn to the system in a inti get on grid to see itGÇÖs a 4k/s vaga 200km off.. I burn at him and he burns awayGǪ he then left and never came back. Someone un-entisised the tcu and we went home.
Op success, thatGÇÖs how you defend in fozzie sov boys and girls.
Now if you could just repeat this 50-1000 times, and write the next post accurately describing the amount of fun you had doing this from op 35 onwards. I think we'd all be a bit more enlightened on why a system that seems to promote sovlasering structures without any conflict being necessary, or fights occurring possibly being a bit flawed. Bonus points for alarmclocking for a chase or two, since most reinforces will usually be done at the worst possible timezone for you the second you let your indexes slip.
This guys speaks the truth, there's a massive difference between scaring away one random etosis troll and trying to fend of a persistent group of them that keep on coming back at the worst times.
We both know this because he's the troll and i am on the receiving end. Its not fun, its extremely frustrating and again we get almost no fights. He has gotten a few good kills but considering everything i wouldn't say its worth doing for the occasional kill and getting kills because your enemies are falling asleep and be driven mad by all the RNG timers and massively time consuming nodes is not good for the game in the long term. |
Crystalline Entity
Outdated Host Productions Mortum Ravagers
16
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Posted - 2015.08.03 12:22:06 -
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As corporation recruiter for Mortum Ravagers I have to say.
lol nerds.. come to lowsec and fight like real men. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1322
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Posted - 2015.08.03 12:24:17 -
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Crystalline Entity wrote:As corporation recruiter for Mortum Ravagers I have to say.
lol nerds.. come to lowsec and fight like real men.
your killboard says you have been fighting in null....
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Crystalline Entity
Outdated Host Productions Mortum Ravagers
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Posted - 2015.08.03 12:36:54 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Crystalline Entity wrote:As corporation recruiter for Mortum Ravagers I have to say.
lol nerds.. come to lowsec and fight like real men. your killboard says you have been fighting in null....
yeah we roam there occasionally tbh, merlin roams ftw!
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Billy Bojangle
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.08.03 12:38:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:They'll be fine because the hordes from highsec only care to gun for us
How unfortunate. |
Malus Maricadie
Ultimatum. The Bastion
0
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Posted - 2015.08.03 12:51:51 -
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they need to **** can fozzie, what fun is a game that you don't have to earn your accomplishments. So now for all of us that put the time and work into grinding standings, Sov and training cap lvl ships turns out to be just a waste of time. Sadly world of ships is more like eve was in the good old days before fozzie screwed it up!!!! |
Akballah Kassan
Mosquito Squadron Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.08.03 12:55:55 -
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Malus Maricadie wrote:they need to **** can fozzie, what fun is a game that you don't have to earn your accomplishments. So now for all of us that put the time and work into grinding standings, Sov and training cap lvl ships turns out to be just a waste of time. Sadly world of ships is more like eve was in the good old days before fozzie screwed it up!!!! You've only yourself to blame for not using Capital ships you've trained for. Nobody forces you to stay docked.
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Nashall Khan
Dead's Prostitutes The Bastion
0
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Posted - 2015.08.03 13:38:04 -
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well...
I want the command node number decreased and/or want an automatic win on uncontested timers. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
453
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Posted - 2015.08.03 14:24:03 -
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1). CCP obviously doesn't care. Or they wouldn't have done it.
2). I have no doubt they will not fix this.
3). I've been watching all my favorite ships get nerfed into junk for 2 years now. Complain and people call you names and tell you to adapt.
I still like EVE...but am well past the point of caring now if it simply dies off. I've gone from 9 accounts down to 2 all were paid for with cash. I laugh at the emails I get asking me to come back with these old accounts. 2 accounts are ok for me for now. Maybe some day, things will go back the other way. I really hope so.... |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2015.08.03 14:27:48 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Did you really just suggest we stick new players in ships orbiting laser nodes?
What the hell is wrong with you?
Do you actually want to keep new players in this game?
Yes. yes I did. I did nothing but scout trading routes for a null alliance after two weeks from starting. The excitement of being part of something that massive was the only thing that kept me in the game.
What would you rather them do? Get 50 mil in thank you ISK for doing that (a stupidly big amount for a week old player), while chatting with experienced vets learning about the game, or AFK mine in a venture while watching netflix and end up quitting?
Have you played EVE before?
Also, what's keeping you from having an alt orbit that node while alt-tabbed? I have two alts doing similar things 100% of the time I'm playing. |
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UAxDEATH
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
802
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Posted - 2015.08.03 14:37:27 -
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More alliance leaders signed off on that petition Those who sign it, and I expect more will sign it. Thank you for your support. |
Pah Cova
Made in Portugal S.A.
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Posted - 2015.08.03 14:41:05 -
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If people really care about what they are saying, is to easy to show them that they are wrong and the players dosent want:
1 - This new sov 2 - Capital nerfs 3 - Ship rebalance all the time 4 - Skins and clothes
For that you can just simply make 2 things. 1 - Retreat to low sec and disconnect all the toons and dont pay the subscription or dont buy the plex. 2 - Create new toons for free until they give players what players want.
Its very simple indeed. with new toons you can always make some rookie pvp in low and get some fun.
Dont bother with the systems that you are lefting behind, you can always back there, whoever take sov there, cant hold the sov for too long or if they are atacked. I assume i will do it with you despite i-¦m in hs and low if you all choose to do it.
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Billy Bojangle
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.08.03 14:57:47 -
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Yes, the real "protest," here would be throwing one's sov in the dumpster and doing something else until such time as CCP took notice, but you will observe that none of the whinging chaps here are interested in that. They've invested much time and effort into sov ala dominion, so I can't say that I blame them; however, nobody is going to take notice of the forum petition when nullsec looks almost identical to the empires that existed prior to it's rollout.
Also, "I don't like it, because it's not fun," is a really ironic argument coming from coalitions of English and Russian speakers who literally carved their empires out by making the game as unfun as possible for their enemies. That's always been a key factor in sov warfare and always will be. The only major difference now is who has the upper hand.
I don't know what's more amusing here: The fact that the game's largest coalitions feel the need to bleet about how un-fun it is to retain control over vast swathes of space or the fact that not terribly many years ago those in control of said coalitions would have been thrilled at this chance to troll the **** out of their larger enemies. |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
196
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Posted - 2015.08.03 15:02:47 -
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I don't generally fly in nullsec but it does still seem like the null-sec community are still bored ****less and are using a campaign of 'harassment' (Note this is the OPs description of the activity.) on the high sec freight routes. When this will end I have no idea. It doesn't personally affect me either but it does, like 'FozzieSov', apparently **** off a lot of people as well.
Pot calling the kettle black is the shortened version of the above comment.
There seems to be a fascination with increased ship speed as well for quite a while. Some of the incursion communities have embraced this fully forsaking tank for vastly increased warp speed. The mind boggles......... . I get the lore implication in that we are heading to an end game where, probably alliances, in null-sec will be able to build there own jump gates to explore new regions of space. But it does seem like the speed thing has gone a little to far now.
I remember a long time ago there were ideas thrown about to encourage more pilots to populate null-sec via systems with special environmental effects to give them a boost or some kind of protection from just having their skulls smashed against a brick wall. I'm not sure if the new system will enable this to happen or not ?
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Altaen
Calamitous-Intent Feign Disorder
125
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Posted - 2015.08.03 15:12:30 -
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Active PVP Pilots Per System Report for those that signed this petition
HARD Alliance - 2.5 Brothers of Tangra - 0.45 Synergy of Steel - 5.5 Triumvirate. - 6.2 SOLAR Fleet - 0.97 Dream Fleet - 0.66 Soviet-Union - 1.8 Infinity Space. - 17 Advent of Fate - 12.4 Legion of xXDEATHXx - 2.6 The Afterlife. - 5.8 Shadow of xXDEATHXx - 0.5 Gentlemen's.Club - 3.4 The Blood Covenant - 3.9 RAZOR - 10.5
For comparison sake, GSF, by all accounts one of the most organized and efficient alliances in EVE, has 14.5 (Was 17 a few days ago, either they picked up sov or lost some active PVP pilots).
Infinity Space. is a huge outlier here. A quick review suggests that they are closely tied to xXDEATGXx and likely felt some pressure to add a number to the list for their masters. Other than them, these numbers are pathetic, and it's no wonder you don't like the new system, it was designed for you.
This is occupancy-based sov. Occupy or let it fall.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1727
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Posted - 2015.08.03 15:16:19 -
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Altaen wrote:Active PVP Pilots Per System Report for those that signed this petition
HARD Alliance - 2.5 Brothers of Tangra - 0.45 Synergy of Steel - 5.5 Triumvirate. - 6.2 SOLAR Fleet - 0.97 Dream Fleet - 0.66 Soviet-Union - 1.8 Infinity Space. - 17 Advent of Fate - 12.4 Legion of xXDEATHXx - 2.6 The Afterlife. - 5.8 Shadow of xXDEATHXx - 0.5 Gentlemen's.Club - 3.4 The Blood Covenant - 3.9 RAZOR - 10.5
For comparison sake, GSF, by all accounts one of the most organized and efficient alliances in EVE, has 14.5 (Was 17 a few days ago, either they picked up sov or lost some active PVP pilots).
Infinity Space. is a huge outlier here. A quick review suggests that they are closely tied to xXDEATHXx and likely felt some pressure to add a number to the list for their masters. Other than them, these numbers are pathetic, and it's no wonder you don't like the new system, it was designed for you.
This is occupancy-based sov. Occupy or let it fall.
Totally not empty quoting.
Nosir.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3162
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Posted - 2015.08.03 15:29:29 -
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Billy Bojangle wrote:Yes, the real "protest," here would be throwing one's sov in the dumpster and doing something else until such time as CCP took notice, but you will observe that none of the whinging chaps here are interested in that. They've invested much time and effort into sov ala dominion, so I can't say that I blame them; however, nobody is going to take notice of the forum petition when nullsec looks almost identical to the empires that existed prior to it's rollout.
Also, "I don't like it, because it's not fun," is a really ironic argument coming from coalitions of English and Russian speakers who literally carved their empires out by making the game as unfun as possible for their enemies. That's always been a key factor in sov warfare and always will be. The only major difference now is who has the upper hand.
I don't know what's more amusing here: The fact that the game's largest coalitions feel the need to bleet about how un-fun it is to retain control over vast swathes of space or the fact that not terribly many years ago those in control of said coalitions would have been thrilled at this chance to troll the **** out of their larger enemies.
There is a difference between when players make decisions (tactical and strategic) to try an bore their enemy to death vs. CCP making the gaming deathly boring....
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
320
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Posted - 2015.08.03 15:32:28 -
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I agree with the broad sentiments outlined by UAxDeath here.
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Billy Bojangle
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.08.03 15:42:20 -
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Teckos Pech wrote: There is a difference between when players make decisions (tactical and strategic) to try an bore their enemy to death vs. CCP making the gaming deathly boring....
Watching a sov structure melt under the combined firepower of a well-endowed super fleet is objectively less involved, by number of players sat at the keyboard doing something, than chasing troll ceptors. It's the slug matches that occur in between that we log in for. There's really no way to make provoking a sov. battle "fun, " because it's always going to be about setting up a timer and waiting for the actual fun bit later.
This whole argument around how fun entosis jazz isn't does not hold water. The lack of fun comes from the unwillingness of players to fight and that doesn't come from their space being alight 23/7, it comes from the entrenched entitlement of bloc leadership who don't want people having fun, they just want to retain or expand their space holdings. |
Icycle
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
27
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:03:37 -
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I dont see the problem with what you call a "troll ceptor" I mean you cant fit a Tech II entosis on a ceptor. So this is out of the question.
You can however fit a Tech I into a ceptor. But ceptor can only entosis within 25km. So its really easy to deal what you call a "troll ceptor". 1- You can damp them and they will have to start the process again from scratch. Very easy. 2- ECM them and they will have to start the process again from scratch. Very easy. 3- Kill it. Get a fast ship and scram. The end. Easy. 4- You can scram it with an arazu. The end. Very Easy. 5- Also it cannot warp so all it can do is try and out run you. Get a fast ship and hunt it down. Easy.
This does not have to be as hard as quantum mechanics. Dont over think it. Or are you asking for it to be sitting still so that you can always kill it just like you would with a cheap cyno? If so, you are not suppose to be able to kill everything you happen to see. The target is suppose to have a chance of getting out. |
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
368
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:37:20 -
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Nituspar wrote: ....the second you let your indexes slip.
So, you are not utilizing the system and in fozziesov when you dont use a system it becomes difficult to hold.
Thank you for the eloquent definition of, "working as intended".
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Fatal pewpew
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:39:11 -
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I think we need to see further balance changes.
Entities like MOA still cant take sov and that makes me sad. |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:45:56 -
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Fatal pewpew wrote:I think we need to see further balance changes.
Entities like MOA still cant take sov and that makes me sad.
Are we sure that MOA wants to take - and hold on to - sov? Or are the mostly interested in punishing alliances still trying to use Dominion Sov tactics?
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
368
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:47:57 -
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UAxDEATH wrote:More alliance leaders signed off on that petition Those who sign it, and I expect more will sign it. Thank you for your support.
But an even bigger thank you goes out to those members of large corps and alliances from nullsec that came here and decried this hypcritical piece of trash for what it really is.
They rest of EVE appreciates that you stand by your core values even when game changes go against what is probably your best interests.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Icycle
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
28
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:50:23 -
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I see a lot complaining that entosis is not fun. and you dont get the "big fights". Currently we are the only game in town in the north besides OSS in Venal. Black Legion is in Fountain at the momment doing their thing. We will not fight battles vs 200 sub cap, + cap fleets + super + titans. You must have figger that out by now....
So if CFC really wants to get all their big slug fest with supers and titans all that, then why dont you go and attack Black Legion in Fountain? What are you waiting for? You can grind all structures that you want and POS's. Maybe even reset some of your allies/blues to neutral? Or even better why dont you deploy and attack Fountain? Deploy to Fountain, put a few poses log supers and titans and get your butts there. Hell Camp their station like you guys do to us. Why is this not happening? The CFC has over 50000 people in their coalition. Surelly you can do that? Can you? |
Papa Django
Evolution Paradox
117
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:52:25 -
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It's delicious to read that people who can't handle a few frigs wanna a rollback to get more fight and in the mean time, we all know that the previous system equal 1 or 2 tidi fights per year.
Some people have a seriously broken logic. |
Lan Wang
V I R I I Ineluctable.
1324
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:54:42 -
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Papa Django wrote:It's delicious to read that people who can't handle a few frigs wanna a rollback to get more fight and in the mean time, we all know that the previous system equal 1 or 2 tidi fights per year.
Some people have a seriously broken logic.
in all fairness when i lived in sov null it was tidi nearly every night
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Icycle
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
30
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Posted - 2015.08.03 16:56:45 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Papa Django wrote:It's delicious to read that people who can't handle a few frigs wanna a rollback to get more fight and in the mean time, we all know that the previous system equal 1 or 2 tidi fights per year.
Some people have a seriously broken logic. in all fairness when i lived in sov null it was tidi nearly every night
Yeah man tidi is terrible. And you are lucky if you are the first to load grid. If not then, you are going to lose probably badly. Half your fleet will be dead before you know what happened. |
Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
1613
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Posted - 2015.08.03 17:06:00 -
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Altaen wrote:Active PVP Pilots Per System Report for those that signed this petition
HARD Alliance - 2.5 Brothers of Tangra - 0.45 Synergy of Steel - 5.5 Triumvirate. - 6.2 SOLAR Fleet - 0.97 Dream Fleet - 0.66 Soviet-Union - 1.8 Infinity Space. - 17 Advent of Fate - 12.4 Legion of xXDEATHXx - 2.6 The Afterlife. - 5.8 Shadow of xXDEATHXx - 0.5 Gentlemen's.Club - 3.4 The Blood Covenant - 3.9 RAZOR - 10.5
For comparison sake, GSF, by all accounts one of the most organized and efficient alliances in EVE, has 14.5 (Was 17 a few days ago, either they picked up sov or lost some active PVP pilots).
Infinity Space. is a huge outlier here. A quick review suggests that they are closely tied to xXDEATHXx and likely felt some pressure to add a number to the list for their masters. Other than them, these numbers are pathetic, and it's no wonder you don't like the new system, it was designed for you.
This is occupancy-based sov. Occupy or let it fall.
+1
Let's take time to remember this gem as well.
https://www.themittani.com/news/null-deal-statement-sovereign-00
Quote:THE NULL DEAL: A STATEMENT FROM SOVEREIGN 0.0
OCCUPANCY-BASED SOVEREIGNTY
We believe that ownership of territory should be reflected by alliance occupancy. Players should live in and utilize their space, and player infrastructure and activity should be reflected in an occupancy index. We believe this will significantly shrink the footprints of the current absentee empires, free up large sections of sov 0.0 for smaller entities, and remove the current need for vast coalitions.
INCREASED PLAYER DENSITY
We believe that vast swathes of conquerable nullsec are essentially worthless to our line members and can only support the activity of a handful of players in each system. We would like to see the value of individual systems increased to support a dense ecosystem of players undocked and interacting within single system.
Let's look who signed it.
Oh.
Quote:UAxDeath (CSM), Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
370
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Posted - 2015.08.03 17:35:11 -
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Silvia Heart wrote:Nituspar wrote:Tappits wrote:So yesterday someone tried to entosis a PL TCU in a 1x system. I was able to burn to the system in a inti get on grid to see itGÇÖs a 4k/s vaga 200km off.. I burn at him and he burns awayGǪ he then left and never came back. Someone un-entisised the tcu and we went home.
Op success, thatGÇÖs how you defend in fozzie sov boys and girls.
Now if you could just repeat this 50-1000 times, and write the next post accurately describing the amount of fun you had doing this from op 35 onwards. I think we'd all be a bit more enlightened on why a system that seems to promote sovlasering structures without any conflict being necessary, or fights occurring possibly being a bit flawed. Bonus points for alarmclocking for a chase or two, since most reinforces will usually be done at the worst possible timezone for you the second you let your indexes slip. This guys speaks the truth, there's a massive difference between scaring away one random etosis troll and trying to fend of a persistent group of them that keep on coming back at the worst times. We both know this because he's the troll and i am on the receiving end. Its not fun, its extremely frustrating and again we get almost no fights. He has gotten a few good kills but considering everything i wouldn't say its worth doing for the occasional kill and getting kills because your enemies are falling asleep and be driven mad by all the RNG timers and massively time consuming nodes is not good for the game in the long term.
Frustrating people you dont want in an area is a speciality of a certain group of players that have been doing it for more than a decade and laughing at the people they frustrate.
Since im not one for naming names, illl just call them by a code word: SOVHOLDERS.
Since this same group will repeat this nuisance behavior repeatedly even when they know no large scale battle will ever come from frustrating a lone explorer in a frigate i will use your term and call them 'trolls' and while im at it since that explorer will meet this same problem from this same group no matter how many times he returns to exploring in his frigate i will also call for CCP to make game mechanic changes so that that explorer can explore nulllsec without further trolling from, 'SOVHOLDERS'.
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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