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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2006.11.29 11:30:00 -
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after the revelations deployment on TQ i heard about the warp core stab optimisation, the -50% range and -50% scanning (longer locking time)
i was in my local system where my level 4 agent is and noticed alot of people are pretty annoyed to say the least, this makes combat with 1 near imppossable, its not so bad for people who use close range and dont mind taking forever to lock onto something, but for us who use ships that NEED range and faster locking as options or layback, it seriously hurts us, and it makes chances of being able to escape incase you get in trouble pretty much impossable on most lvl 4's because you have had to fight without 1,
For example - Angel Extravaganza room 1 of 5 (6 if bonus room included)
You enter an area with 2 groups of enemies, one of which locks you the minute you enter but a group of frigates from the second group locks aswell and webs/warp jams you, but the minute you attack these frigates the rest of the rats in the room turn on you and start attacking from 20km or so, now i have tried many ways to do this part with and without help, if your going to do that bit without warp stabs you need at least 3 battleships along side you and most people outside of big corps dont have that on demand... basic cut is, without stabs your as good as dead in that mission,
there are a few other missions where there are frigs or some other ships that warp jam you where you cannot attack without setting a very vast ammount of ships (including battleships) onto you, and i have still to see a capable tank being able to hold that off without the use of hundreds of millions of isk worth of components.
from my point of view (and many others) it seems like just because the pirates were upset that some of there victims could get away if things looked bad for them they had game mechanics changed for there benefit (again). If you cast your mind back a long time when Microwarpdrives were changed so that a hauling ships couldnt make the use of these to evade pirates. all respect the new warp to within 0km pretty much stops campers being a problem.
I make this post to ask if this was an unseen ripple effect that has been caused because of this or if it was intended to make the missions harder and make them less "farmable"
i have every respect for CCP, but this modification in true effect has left us up **** creek without a paddle quite litterally.
best regards
BX
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.11.29 11:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Blane Xero
i have every respect for CCP, but this modification in true effect has left us up **** creek without a paddle quite litterally.
While the effects to you are quite relevant and pertinent the reasons for the warp core stabs you present are pretty off target. Also pointing out that it has made level 4 mission harder for someone to solo is only going to strengthen CCP's resolve in keeping wcs's nerfed this much.
After all level 4's were, during conception, not designed to be soloed.
The Eve-Online forums may not have invented whining, but they sure have perfected it.
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Jin Steele
Fatalix Inc.
Schism.
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Posted - 2006.11.29 11:53:00 -
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i have managed to do every lvl 4 mission solo without stabs. and also, the whole point is so you cant use them on combat ships. learn to fight or dont fly at all. and yes, lvl 4s arent supposed to be done solo.
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Def Antares
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:00:00 -
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fact is everyone with half decent skills soloes them, no matter how they were intended. i play rarley, and missions is what's fun for me. loosing BS on a regular basis i cannot afford due to low income. if i cant affort replacing BS i cant play.
if level4s are in CCPs opinion too easy, give everyone a TechII bpo instead, to add fairness, cause the 'haves' surely dont mind to loose ships.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:07:00 -
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So basically EVE has made one more step into it being centered around combat ? i'm just pointing out the fact that this is seriously going to effect many people, of course level 4 is not supposed to be done solo, but most small corp's dont have the resources to pull in 4 BS's just for the sake of 1 mission but saying that people still enjoy level 4's because level 3 is way less rewarding and a hell of alot easier, the difficulty from level 2-3 gains alot, but now the difficulty from 3-4 is just unreal.
also the fact that once again the pirates wish has been granted, i started eve because it was an allround game, its suddenly becoming alot more 1 sided now, a week ago nobody was worrying about this, but now the future doesnt look like it did before,
I do not believe in any way that CCP will make a change to this because it has been dead set on stopping people being able to farm things, but macro miners are always going to be around that being said.
I'm merely pointing out something that has enraged a few pilots, and like i said its making the pirates job alot easier.
 is that what CCP wants?
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comrade christopher
Minmatar
Pink Bunnies
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:51:00 -
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Edited by: comrade christopher on 29/11/2006 12:56:32
WCS were never ment to take risk out of fight, as they were often used before Revelations.
WSC are for mining/hauling ships, to give them chance to escape from enemy.
As far as it goes for missions - now NPC don't use MWD, but AB instead, so if u wanna be "on the safe side" just fill slots after WCS with speed mods, and keep NPC at range.
Of course it can't be aplyed on every plex, but will help on many.
On the other hand, WCS were not intended as a module which is required for player to finish complexes, so if u enter them, be sure u can handle it.
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Zoltharpl
Amarr
Pink Bunnies
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Posted - 2006.11.29 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Zoltharpl on 29/11/2006 13:03:40
Hash Hash bad pirates yay! they broke game ugh... man if you play only for missions how can u talk about pvp ? Did you see stabbabond or stabbaraven ? If no now you won't see 
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